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Exported deflation (Score:5, Insightful)

bydknj ( 441802 ) writes:

It wonâ(TM)t take long for these cars to be exported. When it does, expect them to absolutely destroy the automotive markets of whatever country allows them in

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bycaseih ( 160668 ) writes:

Maybe. Here in North America, the big three have already conceded the budget market. None of them are interested in anything other than luxury cars. For the first time, the average car purchase in the US has hit $50k. Europe ceded the entire EV market years ago to China.
Canada is set to relax the Chinese EV ban and tariffs, which I'm in favor of (maybe set them to 50%). However the only Chinese EV manufacturer that will actually be allowed in is Tesla. Our market is just too small to for Chinese automaker

Re:Exported deflation (Score:5, Informative)

byprotehnica ( 10187841 ) writes: on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @01:45AM (#65789578)

"Europe ceded the entire EV market years ago to China."
Factually incorrect. This would imply that all/most new EV cars on the roads in Europe are Chinese brands, which is simply not the case.

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Re:Exported deflation (Score:5, Informative)

bySique ( 173459 ) writes: on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @02:20AM (#65789618) Homepage

Or to bolster it, in 2024, the market share of Chinese made cars in BEV sales in the E.U. was 20%, and that of Chinese automakers 8%, with a total of 438,034 BEVs imported from China. Source [acea.auto]

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Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Middle-class European here.
Just wait a few years. I'm in the position that I simply can't affort a new car, prices well above $50k, so I'm stuck with whatever I can get on the 2nd hand market at 20k-ish. We're already seeing the Xpeng P7 here occasionally at 35k-ish ("used" but factually new). That's whay I'm eyeing with.
If most of middle class here is like me (and I can't imagine they're not, I'm simply too good at math to entertain any other illusion), and their internal combustion cars are aging just lil

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bydunkelfalke ( 91624 ) writes:

Prices are far lower than that unless you insist on a car that is way too large for European streets, which is, unfortunately, fashionable nowadays.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

I don't care what you think is "fashionable" or adequate "for European streets". I was looking for cars suitable for my typical family life, and the smalles one thst fits the bill is Tesla's Model 3. Which cost around 60k-ish in a reasonable version, and os pretty much the cheapest.
No, I won't buy a Dacia Spring whoch isn't even large enough for me in the driver's sear and a case of beer in the trunk, let alone for a family holiday trip across the Alps.

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byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:

you are lying, it is still fashion, you are just justifying to yourself some excused to buy a tesla!
for your requirements you still have EV sedan cars lower than the tesla value, both chinese and other countries, being the Hyundai Ioniq 6 the best example and still cheaper than the tesla.
if you open to hybrid, you get lot more deals with lower price and hybrid-plugin is still cheaper:
https://www.caranddriver.com/r... [caranddriver.com]
but yes, a car for the family to travel far with luggage isn't much in the scope of EVs, th

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Ioniq ia not a European car, so.it's disqualified by default.
Nut just foe the sake of argument: where I live most models go for 50+ kEuro, the cheapest I found was 45k.
Yes, EVs with a decent range exist but pretty much my point: they're expenaive. And Chinese models in the MW charging range (0.5 MW or 1 MW) are common enough, so recharging takes 10 minutes. Infrastructure im Europe sucks, but that's hardly the fault of the EV manufacturers.
If you want to argue for a go-kart on steroids instead, available in

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byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:

True, car manufacturers were sleeping on the wheel, they kept copy&paste their (and other) models, without little innovation.
Hybrid cars were a detail that most ignored, Tesla was a alarm ringing, time for them to improve...yet they look only to top class and quickly it was saturated. Where is demand, lower and middle classes, there were too few alternatives. Now Chinese cars, "same" but cheaper, is a big slap in the face.
Big car brands are too slow to innovate and that creating a market for new brands

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Just a few points: Dacia Spring is a security nightmare, too.
And cars today are actually simpler to.build, in particular EVs. Technology is more complex, but it doesn't need to b more.complicated. It's just made that way by the manufacturer's attempt to monetize on the driver, not just the car sale.
Also hybrids are the worst of both worlds. They're terribly complex beasts, and if you agree that car manufacturers fucked their clients with ever crappier and defect prone cars the past 20 years, then you know w

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byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:

toyota hybrids are perfect (yes, complex beasts, that i agree), but they work fine and zero problems ( i know, i own one with 13 years)
most other brands just rushed to hybrids and fall in to mistakes and problems... but even those improved a lot

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bydunkelfalke ( 91624 ) writes:

Maybe lose some weight then? Because if you don't fit in one of these you must weigh about 200 kilos.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

It's the other dimension stupid.

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bykaatochacha ( 651922 ) writes:

Reading the comments to you below feels like:
You ": I want a car that does X, Y, Z
Everyone: You're dumb. You don't need X,Y,Z. You're using it wrong.

This is not the way you convince consumers to buy a product. Imagine:
Me: I need a TV
TV company : Shut up moron, here's what we've got, take it or no tv'
Me: I don't like those functions, and it's weirdly shaped
TV company: then you're a fool.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Right? :-) I had to double check I didn't accidentally land on Reddit...

Re: Exported deflation (Score:5, Informative)

byshilly ( 142940 ) writes: on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @03:13AM (#65789674)

A Renault 5, Dacia Spring, e208, Inster, and literally dozens of other EVs are available for way, way less than $50k.

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Re: Exported deflation (Score:1)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Try being 6ft+, then packing your kids, family and enough luggage for 3 weeks + beach toys & supplies, for a 900 km across the Alps... in a Dacia Spring!
Now try the same in an Xpeng P7.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bycristiroma ( 606375 ) writes:

A family of 3 or 4 cannot fit in a DACIA Spring
Wow, just Wow!!! You can say same for any car in this class .. like Fiat 500e.
And btw ... XPeng P7 costs 4x the price of a DACIA Spring .. just FYI.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

You can get a new one for 50k-ish in Europe, but large part of that price is horrendous tariffs. The actual price in China is a lot lower. You can get a "used" one (i.e. 2-3 months old, pretty much the scenario described in TFA) for 35k.
You can't get any other family electric car for 35k. And the ones you get for 50k don't compare to the p7, not by a large margin. If you want something that does compare, you need to reach for 6-figure cars, something like Tesla's Model S.

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byBarsteward ( 969998 ) writes:

So you want a vanity car thats beyond your financial means, basically a champagne car for a lemonade wallet. There a lot cheaper cars on the market so don't moan you can't afford what you would really want, most of us have that problem of wanting something we can't afford but end up getting something we can.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Yep... Or I go ahead and buy a Chinese car?
But this is pretty much the point. See, I'm practically the definition of "middle class": in my 40s, owning the house I live in, academic education including PhD, decent job in a STEM field etc... So if a decent electric family car in the Model 3 or Model Y class is the "vanity" category for me, you can rest assured that it's pretty much the same for 99% of buyers here.
So there you have it. That's where your European automobile market is heading right now.

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byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:

then why you are buying a EV for a big car even?! just to vanity say you own a EV!!
until range is higher, cost is lower, EV are VANITY cars
everyone is waiting for cheaper EV cars, brands insist in to the top class EV, mostly ignoring the lower and middle classes
Chinese are cheaper, but that is also dumping and random quality (and lifetime, most people buy a car for 5 to 10 years, will those last that longer?! how much service will cost? a car isn't a printer, most will can't buy another one if it breaks )
B

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Range already IS higher and cost IS lower... with Chinese manufacturers.

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byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:

that is what they are selling... but is it true? (not the price, while with government funding, the price is also fake, we will pay that later, when there is no alternative)
almost all Chinese hardware of several kinds i get, the announced battery life is totally fake with real world usage. Some the battery lost almost half capacity in one year.
in some cars reviews, i also read that real live range is much lower... but all cars like to lie in their real range. we need more real work metrics and those only sh

Re: Exported deflation (Score:5, Informative)

bytest321 ( 8891681 ) writes: on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @04:12AM (#65789742)

The Renault 5 BEV is entirely made in France including the batteries, and sold 24.990 €. The Dacia Spring, also produced by Renault in their Chinese factory, is sold 16.900 €. The Chinese makers do have a great opportunity, but I just wanted to make the point that EU-made BEV are not necessarily > 50 k€.

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Re: Exported deflation (Score:1)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

I actually test rode Dacia Spring recently. Renaul 5 is very similar.
They're too small to be the primary general purpose family cars (try fittong 4 people inside, let alone luggage for a family holiday - I'm about 6'3" and I can't even fit in as a driver without making a safety hazard out of it).
They are about the right size for 2nd or 3rd car options, city+commute only, with a range of about 120 km (forget WLTP). Not even fit for serious shopping, a week's worth of groceries including some water and the oc

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bybuzz_mccool ( 549976 ) writes:

Is the price quoted with or without any government subsidies for electric vehicles?

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byorgangtool ( 966989 ) writes:

Why is that relevant to the buyer? I don't really care why my car costs what it costs - I just care about how much I'm putting out of my pocket.

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bytest321 ( 8891681 ) writes:

Also for those who want an ICE, Dacia Sandero made by Renault in Romania (and Morocco), is sold 12.490 €. It is currently the best selling vehicle in Europe right now, with about 400.000 sold per year and about 4% of the total market share. The second most sold is the Renault Clio, which starts at 21.450 €.
To highlight that middle-class Europeans find cars in the 20-30 k€ range.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:1)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Too small. Try driving a Sandero from.where it's made (Romania) to where it's engineerd (France) with a family of 4.
Like.the Speing, Sandero is a 2nd or 3rd vehicle option, not a main family vehicle. Even if you have the money to spend another 25k on a 2nd car... this still leaves the main family car problem unsolved.
So Chinese ate currently solving it.

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bytest321 ( 8891681 ) writes:

I know Chinese cars are less expensive; what I argue is you can find European branded middle-class cars in the the 20-30 k€ range. The entire Dacia offer is below 30 k€ and that of course includes family cars; their Bigster is priced 25.900 €.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

It's not an EV.

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bytest321 ( 8891681 ) writes:

You're moving goalposts. My original message starts with "Also for those who want an ICE," You said your current ICE is ageing and the Sandero (an ICE) is too small.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

TFA is about EVs, and the discussion thread about (lack of) merit of European EVs opposed to Chinese ones.

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byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:

can you trust that Chinese car to drive from Romania to France? how many stops you will need to recharge?! are there enough chargers in the path?! too new to know, to many unknowns. They may even be good, Chinese quality is increasing, but is a too high value for most people to bet. My city car is 25 years old (not that much used to be replace by a EV), the family main car is 10 years (hybrid), both still good, low cost maintenance... will a Chinese car last that longer? at what maintenance price?!
for full

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

Most Chinese EVs are apparently better quality than their European counterpart. And the components in European electronics and electrics are also mostly Asian, so... *shrug*
As to driving from Romania to France: the chargers are the same regardless of whether the car is Chinese or European (and yes, there are enough; getting more.as time goes by, Europe's EV infrastructure ia generally a bit behind).

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byBadDreamer ( 196188 ) writes:

Not too new at all. There were enough chargers to make the trip two years ago, and they've been adding to that network constantly. Chargers in the EU are standardized and all offer Type 2, meaning you can charge any car anywhere. And if you have a legacy vehicle, you can get an adapter to Type 2.
What you often can't find is petrol which will work reliably in a 25 year old octo vehicle.

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byCamembert ( 2891457 ) writes:

Colleague of mine bought a young 2nd hand VW EV (ID 5 if I remember well), in Luxembourg from a VW dealer and drove it to his home in Belgium. Very nice car, and it was priced very attractively. Looks big enough inside for you and your family. Similarly spacious as my Y.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

...starting at 52 kEuro base price. Case in point.

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byCamembert ( 2891457 ) writes:

no no he bought a young 2nd hand one that benefited from tax benefits for close to 30k, impressive good deal

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byjenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) writes:

We're already seeing the Xpeng P7 here occasionally at 35k-ish ("used" but factually new). That's whay I'm eyeing with.
Be very, VERY careful here. I've heard credible reports that MANY of these "excess" cars from China are made with inferior quality control and materials - including the batteries themselves, which is the WORST place for cost-cutting - because the manufacturers know that the cars are probably going to end up rotting in vast fields with truly gob-smacking numbers of other cars.
I'm not against Chinese cars per se; but some of the EVs that were produced to scam the Chinese government out of subsidies are such b

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

So... you think European cars are kosher?
*cough*Dieselgate*cough*?
And let's not even talk that I've had the motor on my VW T5 replaced twice before its 200,000 km mark, for broken transmission chain. And large parts of its drivetrain once.
And that I've had the transmission chain on a 325 BMW replaced at 50,000 km. And then the motor replaced ar 65,000 km for problems with its connecting rod.
And that I'm essentially about to have to replace injection valves on two BMWs before their 200,000 mark.
And the only

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byjenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) writes:

I'm not saying "don't buy a Chinese EV". I'm saying "be very careful about buying one that might have dangerous flaws because when it was made the manufacturer was scamming the government and didn't expect the car to ever be driven".
Your observations are part of a much bigger picture in which corporations the world over have far too much power, and are subject to far too little oversight. Unless and until the oligarchy is brought down forty or fifty pegs, that situation won't get any better.

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bycristiroma ( 606375 ) writes:

A properly cared Transporter VW van will easily get you 800.000 km no problem. And the best part? You get spare parts within the week. Any dealership in Europe.
I own a 25 years old BMW 316i and the m43 engine is bullet proof. Properly cared? No rust ... Replace regularly hoses and rubber etc.
So stop spreading fud and go to your chinese friends, get your p7 and let's talk in 15 years ...

Re: Exported deflation (Score:2)

bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:

*bwaaahaha* Yeah. Right.
Some early 1990s or older ones, T3 or T4 model maybe, but not the T5 and T6. And they do rust regardless of how good you treat them, unless the first owner was a body expert and did an expensive after marker cavity sealing. Any T3/T4 that still runs today and is held together by anything more than dirt and rust is pretty much survivor bias.
Same with BMW. The M43 hasn't been in production since the E36 model. That one was alreay surpassed mid-late-90s by the E39.
Try buying E60s or E90

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