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bydknj ( 441802 ) writes:
It wonâ(TM)t take long for these cars to be exported. When it does, expect them to absolutely destroy the automotive markets of whatever country allows them in
bycaseih ( 160668 ) writes:
Maybe. Here in North America, the big three have already conceded the budget market. None of them are interested in anything other than luxury cars. For the first time, the average car purchase in the US has hit $50k. Europe ceded the entire EV market years ago to China.
Canada is set to relax the Chinese EV ban and tariffs, which I'm in favor of (maybe set them to 50%). However the only Chinese EV manufacturer that will actually be allowed in is Tesla. Our market is just too small to for Chinese automaker
byprotehnica ( 10187841 ) writes:
"Europe ceded the entire EV market years ago to China."
Factually incorrect. This would imply that all/most new EV cars on the roads in Europe are Chinese brands, which is simply not the case.
bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:
Middle-class European here.
Just wait a few years. I'm in the position that I simply can't affort a new car, prices well above $50k, so I'm stuck with whatever I can get on the 2nd hand market at 20k-ish. We're already seeing the Xpeng P7 here occasionally at 35k-ish ("used" but factually new). That's whay I'm eyeing with.
If most of middle class here is like me (and I can't imagine they're not, I'm simply too good at math to entertain any other illusion), and their internal combustion cars are aging just lil
bydunkelfalke ( 91624 ) writes:
Prices are far lower than that unless you insist on a car that is way too large for European streets, which is, unfortunately, fashionable nowadays.
bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:
I don't care what you think is "fashionable" or adequate "for European streets". I was looking for cars suitable for my typical family life, and the smalles one thst fits the bill is Tesla's Model 3. Which cost around 60k-ish in a reasonable version, and os pretty much the cheapest.
No, I won't buy a Dacia Spring whoch isn't even large enough for me in the driver's sear and a case of beer in the trunk, let alone for a family holiday trip across the Alps.
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byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:
you are lying, it is still fashion, you are just justifying to yourself some excused to buy a tesla!
for your requirements you still have EV sedan cars lower than the tesla value, both chinese and other countries, being the Hyundai Ioniq 6 the best example and still cheaper than the tesla.
if you open to hybrid, you get lot more deals with lower price and hybrid-plugin is still cheaper:
https://www.caranddriver.com/r... [caranddriver.com]
but yes, a car for the family to travel far with luggage isn't much in the scope of EVs, th
bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:
Ioniq ia not a European car, so.it's disqualified by default.
Nut just foe the sake of argument: where I live most models go for 50+ kEuro, the cheapest I found was 45k.
Yes, EVs with a decent range exist but pretty much my point: they're expenaive. And Chinese models in the MW charging range (0.5 MW or 1 MW) are common enough, so recharging takes 10 minutes. Infrastructure im Europe sucks, but that's hardly the fault of the EV manufacturers.
If you want to argue for a go-kart on steroids instead, available in
byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:
True, car manufacturers were sleeping on the wheel, they kept copy&paste their (and other) models, without little innovation.
Hybrid cars were a detail that most ignored, Tesla was a alarm ringing, time for them to improve...yet they look only to top class and quickly it was saturated. Where is demand, lower and middle classes, there were too few alternatives. Now Chinese cars, "same" but cheaper, is a big slap in the face.
Big car brands are too slow to innovate and that creating a market for new brands
bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:
Just a few points: Dacia Spring is a security nightmare, too.
And cars today are actually simpler to.build, in particular EVs. Technology is more complex, but it doesn't need to b more.complicated. It's just made that way by the manufacturer's attempt to monetize on the driver, not just the car sale.
Also hybrids are the worst of both worlds. They're terribly complex beasts, and if you agree that car manufacturers fucked their clients with ever crappier and defect prone cars the past 20 years, then you know w
byhiguita ( 129722 ) writes:
toyota hybrids are perfect (yes, complex beasts, that i agree), but they work fine and zero problems ( i know, i own one with 13 years)
most other brands just rushed to hybrids and fall in to mistakes and problems... but even those improved a lot
bydunkelfalke ( 91624 ) writes:
Maybe lose some weight then? Because if you don't fit in one of these you must weigh about 200 kilos.
bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:
It's the other dimension stupid.
bykaatochacha ( 651922 ) writes:
Reading the comments to you below feels like:
You ": I want a car that does X, Y, Z
Everyone: You're dumb. You don't need X,Y,Z. You're using it wrong.
This is not the way you convince consumers to buy a product. Imagine:
Me: I need a TV
TV company : Shut up moron, here's what we've got, take it or no tv'
Me: I don't like those functions, and it's weirdly shaped
TV company: then you're a fool.
bygetuid() ( 1305889 ) writes:
Right? :-) I had to double check I didn't accidentally land on Reddit...
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