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I once suggested to Cordless Larry that he consider getting more modern by changing his name to Bluetooth Larry or Cellular Larry, or even just WiFi-Enabled Larry. Similarly, instead of Billed Mammal, maybe you could be Paypal Mammal or Automated Clearing House Mammal or Monthly Recurring Charge Mammal. Just a thought? EEng 23:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hi there. I think you could've relisted this discussion given that there appeared to be an emerging consensus, as well as the fact that the arguments against the move were largely rebutted. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hi, in this editatTalk:Labours of Heracles#Requested move 10 July 2023 you closed the move request in favor of MOVE, acknowledging the complexity of it, and the deeply divided comments, but appealed to the quality of arguments, and you said, "Considered through this lens, we find a very rough consensus to move this article." I disagree with this, because I believe you made an error in evaluation of the data, in what I consider to be your key statement that swayed you in favor of the move:
Normally, when editors argue that the majority of sources are wrong we dismiss those arguments, in line with WP:OR, WP:RGW, or any number of other two- or three-letter initialism. However, in this case the argument is justified by referring to quality of sources; editors in support of this position argue that while popular sources may refer to it as "Labours of Hercules", academic sources prefer "Labours of Heracles".
Yes to the first sentence, but it's the second one where I think you went wrong. Admittedly, I was very late to the discussion, in fact, mine was the very last comment before closure:
• Oppose based on this ngrams plot showing that the current name is approximately ten times as common as the proposed version, thus per WP:COMMONNAME. Mathglot (talk) 17:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
I didn't mention it in my comment above because I assume Move-closers are aware, but ngrams is based on google books, and only plots data when there are at least forty books containing the search expression. That's a pretty clear, order of magnitude preference for the pre-move name, and unless we do a deep dive to find that a huge number of these books are not reliable, that's a tough cliff to overcome. But still, books can be unreliable, or SPS, or whatever, so I've just now done these additional tests at Google scholar:
"labours of hercules"
"labours of heracles"
"labours of hercules" OR "labors of hercules"
"labours of heracles" OR "labors of heracles"
These show roughly 5–1 in favor of the old name, and by definition, are academic sources (doesn't guarantee they aren't predatory). I think the numbers would have to be strongly skewed in the other direction to overturn the long-term stable title. I wonder if you're open to changing the outcome of the move? I apologize for not including the scholar results before the close, but partly I assumed it wasn't necessary (i.e., I was lazy), and partly the Move-expiration bit me.
One other thing: I do want to make it very clear that I *do* support the part of your stated reasoning at the move that it isn't just a tally tug-of-war, and that *yes* it's okay to overturn that, when quality demands it, and I fully recognize that you thought it came down that way here. I would always support your use of that rationale in the future, and so whatever happens here, I don't want you to shy from using that exact same argument in the future, because I think it is a perfectly valid one, and clearly supported by the close guideline. Mathglot (talk) 06:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I do want to make it very clear that I *do* support the part of your stated reasoning at the move that it isn't just a tally tug-of-war, and that *yes* it's okay to overturn that, when quality demands it, and I fully recognize that you thought it came down that way here. I would always support your use of that rationale in the future, and so whatever happens here, I don't want you to shy from using that exact same argument in the future, because I think it is a perfectly valid one, and clearly supported by the close guideline.I also approve of your willingness, in this case, to not let a "technicality" prohibit you from changing your mind. Paul August ☎ 17:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
expanded ngrams
, which shows a similar result. (There is a limit to the total length of a query, and to get all needed terms in, we'd have to break it up into two, with AE in one and BE in the other, but that would be okay.)As part of the original close in this edit, you added an {{old move}} to the Talk header. Given the subsequent changes, can you update this template as appropriate? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Kia ora BilledMammal - I'm wanting to ask you about your WP:BOLD close of the above discussion and request that you revert this. While I appreciate that there have been a lot of discussions recently, only one of those has generated any substantial discussion. The most recent proposal is a couple months after the substantial one and includes new evidence that wasn't covered in the previous discussion which merits discussion. There was also no talk of a moratorium in previous closes, and given you've been involved in the past it doesn't seem appropriate to prematurely close the discussion a day after it started. Turnagra (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
ensuring that Wikipedia uses the WP:COMMONNAME- unless of course one has a conviction about what the COMMONNAME is that one holds prior to evidence. But obviously editors' views on this may differ.
appear to he fighting a rear-guard actionwas intended as an objective description of a pattern of !votes, etc., and not as an assignment of motives - I am confident that in each case your motive is compliant with policy, in the sense that you are !voting or IARing in perfect alignment with what you believe the COMMONNAME to be. However, from the perspective of an uninvolved outsider, the pattern comes across as taking one side of an ongoing dispute over nomenclature (a dispute that is moving gradually in the direction opposite to the view you typically support). But, again, I recognize that even UNINVOLVED editors' views on this may differ. Newimpartial (talk) 12:53, 31 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Since you recently participated in the Charles III requested move discussion, I thought you might like to know that there are two other discussions currently going on about other British monarch article titles here and here. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Not good practice to propose such a large number of moves in one go, leads to confused discussion. PatGallacher (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Why was the requested move relisted when there was really no opposition to the request? Considering that fact, shouldn't the move happened since also 7 days had passed? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 12:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
In lieu of google searches, for example showing 99-1 disparity, and in lieu of checking the primary media in English speaking companies by circulation, and in lieu of using what the individual themself uses as a name, and in lieu of using what their sports federation uses as a name -- all of which I gather you find less than helpful -- what do you suggest to satisfy the primary rule of wp:common name? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:BC80:53D7:4ECB:EF00 (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Er, that's WikiProject Amphibians and reptiles? :D Valereee (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Just wanted to let you know that I am following along with interest and will have more substantive thoughts for you as soon as I can, but if you're getting close-ish to posting it and I haven't chimed in, would you give me a ping so I can hurry along my comments? KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 15:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Just a heads up, you closed the RM as "moved", but the article is still at the old title – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 15:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hello, BilledMammal,
I'm deleting some broken redirects (see here) and many of them were created after you moved an article or redirect page and didn't leave a redirect for the talk page when it was moved. Is there a reason why you do leave a redirect for the main page but not the talk page? Is this something inherent in the page mover process? Because if the main page has a redirect (which I think should happen almost always) then it seems like the there should be a redirect for talk page moves as well. Thanks for any explanation you can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 18:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Please revert your move to Chernobyl Exclusion Zone immediately. Nothing like consensus existed. On the contrary there is an ongoing disagreement with no substantive arguments put forward in favor of renaming and no attempt at rebuttal to my arguments.Sredmash (talk) 20:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hey BilledMammal. I wanted to ask if you could take March 18–21, 1958, nor'easter out of the move (rename) proposal you did. I want to do improve the article, but have to do a few specific steps, due to some technicalities. My idea is to challenge the PROD (technicality) and then move the whole article into draftspace to work on it (main thing is to get the like 2 sentence article out of mainspace). That said, because the article is in the move request, I am not suppose to move the article, including not into draftspace. Basically, a makeshift switcheroo, but the RM and PROD are 2 technicalities in the way of my idea. So, if you would be ok with removing it from the RM, I would really appreciate it. Have a wonderful day! Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Can you please take another look at your closure of Talk:Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge#Requested move 7 August 2023? I see no way you could draw a "no consensus" conclusion from that. There was no opposition to the renaming. I was the only person other than the nominator who commented at all, and I did not express opposition to the proposal. I suggest reopening and relisting that or reclosing it as moved. I had noticed that the proposal was submitted by an WP:SPA that had previously been indef-blocked, but I didn't really see a reason to oppose the renaming. The content of the article seems to justify it, as far as I can tell. (I didn't look deeply into the question.) — BarrelProof (talk) 17:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Regarding this comment: I appreciate your statement on flexibility regarding a target date; it's something I've thought was a suitable response each time someone raised the spectre of a looming deadline. I was thinking, though, of even bigger compromises regarding draftification, such as a WikiProject task force regularly requesting very small batches to be moved out of mainspace that they'd work on. I understand this would not achieve everything you're seeking regarding making Wikipedia mainspace more selective in the articles it contains, but I think something along these lines might have a better chance of attaining a clear consensus.
I was hoping, though, that you wouldn't respond regarding past policy compliance. I don't think any of the long-standing participants is going to argue any others out of their positions at this point. isaacl (talk) 18:04, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I was hoping, though, that you wouldn't respond regarding past policy compliance.Perhaps I shouldn't have, and I did decide to refrain from arguing about the more ambiguous violations (WP:NSPORTS and WP:NOTDATABASE, among others), but I felt it necessary to mention WP:MASSCREATE as that policy is quite unambiguous in that it applied to this situation and its requirements were not met. BilledMammal (talk) 18:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
it needs to be more likely to improve the articles which could become policy-compliant than the current process, and it needs to get the non-policy-compliant articles out of mainspace in a reasonable timeframe and without an undue effort on behalf of the community.
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...instead of creating numerous proposals to mass draftify enormous quantities of potentially notable articles--something that has been shown to result in little improvement (Olympian discussion) and take up also enormous quantities of editor time--work on starting up events to improve the stubs, something that has been shown to work? (see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Football biography cleanup, which has gotten about 10-15 times as many articles expanded as the Olympian draftifications in less time) I know we're on completely opposite sides of the notability spectrum, but would you consider working together to potentially create things similar to the aforementioned football biography cleanup page, where editors can freely work on improving stub articles instead of doing so under heavy pressure and under time limits? I've thought of several ideas, for example having competitions (like those done at Wikipedia:The Core ContestorWikipedia:WikiCup) with barnstars or other things as rewards - I suspect these would motivate editors much more to improve sports articles than the system we've got set currently. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
shown to result in little improvementin regards to the Olympic discussion, but we have different perspectives on this. I see articles which violate WP:SPORTSCRIT #5 and WP:NOTDATABASE as negatives that make the encyclopedia worse, by damaging the perception of Wikipedia among the public, by wasting readers time by suggesting to them that we have content on an individual only to present them with a database entry, and by suggesting to editors that the creation of such articles is appropriate. As such, simply removing them from mainspace is an improvement.
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WP:VPPR is currently 729,872 bytes long – a length that is inaccessible to many editors, especially those on smartphones. Nearly all of that is your RFC about cricketers. If you decide to start any other RFCs about mass-draftification or that you otherwise expect to have attract 100+ comments (that one is presently 665 comments from 136 users), please start the RFC on a separate page. See WP:RFCTP, which links two examples to show how they're usually named. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hello! Thank you for closing the village pump proposal on townships; there's definitely clear support for renaming townships articles. I'm a little concerned, though, about the possibility of nationwide mass-moves that don't reflect state-by-state variations, and wanted get your thoughts or recommendations. (For some states the Township, State form works well, but I know of some like Indiana where that form is very uncommon in reliable sources, in part because few townships are uniquely named.) Would having state-specific discussions on how to implement this be a good step? I just want to make sure that when mass-moves are made that they're likely to stick and not have to be mass-moved back. Thanks! ╠╣uw [talk] 15:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
There is currently a Request Move discussion about William IV. Since you participated in the previous move discussion involving William IV, I thought you might want to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
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I hope you are well. Thanks for your recent close. There's a follow up discussion about a secondary question that came up during the discussion. Some clarification about the "rough consensus" you outlined about attribution would be helpful. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 14:24, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Please don't make very substantive changes to policy or guideline pages and label them copyediting. I think the change in question is probably reflective of the consensus that has sort of emerged on the talk page, but people are apt to ignore the change as something trivial and not even look at this hit on their watchlist when you incorrectly claim it was just a "ce". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
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I see that you have ignored my expressed concerns about the sizable holes in the version of the synopsis you decided in favor of, as well as the similar practices used in other, higher profile novels. Why? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:21, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Hi BilledMammal,
You closed the RM as moved without leaving any explanation despite there was clear objection from Ka-ru and clear canvassing from the nominator before relisting. From a further discussion in the related RM Talk:Saiō#Requested_move_24_October_2023 stated, this move may not be appropriate. There wasn't clear argument about how Saikū Palace can't be the primary topic of title Saikū while Saiō is actually as Saigū in the nomination rationale. Thus, WP:SMALLDETAILS may apply for Saikū Palace to hold the distinct topic at Saikū and leave Saigū for the title to disambiguate. Besides, from Ka-ru's argument in Talk:Saiō, the title of natural disambiguator『Saikū Palace』is actually erroneous. As a page mover as well, I think you should revert this move and reopen this RM for further discussion. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Pinging Reywas92, Mangoe. I've come across a few lists like List of places in Arizona (A) and List of places in Colorado: A–F which seem to be generated from GNIS, totally unsourced and often full of deleted articles that were delinked but never removed. Should cleaning these up be the next chapter in the GNIS saga? –dlthewave ☎ 22:16, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Can you please clarify why you've moved one two pages unilaterally and launched a further three dual name move requests as soon as I've proposed changes to the New Zealand naming conventions, after months of not so much as touching a New Zealand-related article for months? I repeatedly try to assume good faith but this feels directly related. Turnagra (talk) 08:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
large campaign; for comparison, the number of RM's I've opened - four - is far less than numbers we've seen in the past without objection, such as on 15 September 2021 when another editor opened at least fourteen:
Your insistence on using the same arguments which have been repeatedly disproven shows I'd have better luck yelling at a wall
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Hi BilledMammal! I am considering a move review following your recent close of the above move discussion, but want you to have a look at my findings first before I proceed.
I admit that the misunderstandings about how Ngram syntax works devalidated a lot of the line of reasoning in my commnents. But one thing still remains valid and needs to be considered when evaluating metrics about the occurrence of "Cro-Magnon" in published texts: "Cro-Magnon" can either generically refer to (European) early modern humans, or it can specifically refer to the site of "Cro-Magnon" and the indivduals excavated there.
I have taken a look at the 7870 occurrences in Google Scholar since 2013 ("Cro-Magnon"&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2013&as_yhi=) As a quick sample, I took the first 20 search results and looked up for what "Cro-Magnon" refers to in these publications. In 14 of them, "Cro-Magnon" specifically refers to the "Cro-Magnon" site and the indivduals excavated there. 5 of them use the term in the wider sense, although one author explicitly writes in 2015:[1] "I also apologize to anyone who objects to my use of "Cro-Magnon" in the title. I realize that the term is both outdated and inaccurate, but I needed its alliterative effect...
" (emphasis added). And there is one source that uses the term in a metaphorical way, but clearly the metaphor relates to the wider sense.
So it's 70% sensu stricto and 30% sensu lato. Obviously, this is a very small sample and things might change a bit in either direction if more search hits are evaluated. But it becomes clear that while "Cro-Magnon" might be a more recognizable term than "European early modern humans" for the topic of the article (hits for "European early modern humans" are indeed deplorable low), it is not the primary topic related to the title "Cro-Magnon", apart from not being precise (unlike "European early modern humans"). In the majority of sources, "Cro-Magnon" refers to the rock shelter and the people excavated at this very place. WP:PRECISION matters too besides plain metrics. Austronesier (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hello there, I didn't see that there is a freeze on moves until 1 December. Thank you for closing it. Can I open it again on the 1st? Or only on the 2nd? Thank you in advance Homerethegreat (talk) 10:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Hello BM, just wanted to note I sent you an email. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 05:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
European settlers of New Zealand seems to me more apt than European settlers in New Zealand, and on checking I see that most subcats and subsubcats of Category:Settlers use "of". Did you consider European settlers of New Zealand, but decided you preferred European settlers in New Zealand, or did you just not consider it? If the latter, what do you think of it now that I have suggested it to you? Thanks. Nurg (talk) 04:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
You need to read WP:BLUDGEON, you do not have to ask every user you disagree with to explain why, that is the job of any closer. Slatersteven (talk) 13:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hey BilledMammal, it's been a while but hope you're doing great! :)
As per your suggestions back a few months ago regarding my Ukrainian hromada stubs, I've searched around and have made a bit of progress on sourcing for hromada articles. While earlier I relied solely on the Ukrainian government's decentralization website for info on the hromadas (which verifies all the content on the articles I've made), I found a great secondary source that includes all of the hromadas and speaks to their notability. The article, which is in Russian, comes from a reputable NGO in Ukraine called Hromadske and is fairly comprehensive imo. While it doesn't directly substantiate specific information on individual hromadas (like which settlements are within each hromada) it does verify the existence of this and other hromadas (within the article's provided maps, albeit in Ukrainian) and goes into detail explaining the 2020 admin. reform and the significance/importance/roles of the newly created hromadas (in Russian). I think this, together with the earlier, weaker secondary source I found (which only verifies the existence of the hromadas and their administrative borders), should pass WP:GNG for now but I want to know your thoughts on the above before I begin any mass-creation of the rest of the missing hromada articles with this new source included.
I know two secondary sources is the bare minimum for GNG though so I understand if there's concerns about it but I'm still very confident there's more secondary sources out there somewhere. A good example of that I think is Sofiivka rural hromada which is not a stub anymore and has a lot of interesting/useful content with additional sources. In case it helps too though, there's other editors who can speak well (probably better than me tbh) to the notability of hromadas and many active contributors in the Ukrainian wikiproject agree to the notability of separate, individual hromada articles. Hopefully my updates above help a bit but let me if you think it'll be alright to resume mass-creating the hromada articles (and if you have any advice about it). Sorry for the bother and thanks for all the help back earlier and now too (btw no worries if you don't have any advice, just thought I'd reach out in case yk). Cheers, Dan the Animator 19:18, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is beneath you. - ZLEA T\C 21:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi BilledMammal – I want to give you a long-overdue note of appreciation for starting what would become the LUGSTUBS discussion, same with your role in LUGSTUBS 2. I would like to know if you would be open to me using this Quarry query on unreferenced Lugstubs to start what I hope will become LUGSTUBS 3. Thanks! InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 18:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello. That's twice you've moved the 'Forum issue' subsection, in the RFC-in-question. Now 'two' editors have reversed you. Will you please stop 'moving' it. GoodDay (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Sorry, I meant to start working on these over Christmas. Can you link me to the list again, and I'll start working on the German-speaking ones. Red Fiona (talk) 17:28, 13 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, you have possibly already seen this by now? but just to avoid any possible misunderstanding.
But it won't add that bit above, I wrote that myself because when I first saw this notice it really confused me.
I've been procrastinating about sending this because it sternly warns me not to give you two first notices but it also sternly warns me to use the first alert template for first notices. I couldn't see any other notices on your page, you didn't seem to have an archive, and digging any deeper seemed invasive?
But being double alert seems better than not at all? sorry if I got it wrong?
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Hello! I'm just wondering why you considered the current disambiguation to be 'natural' when closing this move request. So far as I'm aware none of the dioceses involved are called the 'Anglican Diocese of [X]' in reliable sources, so they don't meet the definition given at WP:NATURAL. A.D.Hope (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
There were some incidents with NadVolum where I am not sure if it is “just” a list of coincidences or a case of WP:Nothere.
Should I warn them, reach out to an administrator, use ANI, do nothing, or do something else? Could you take a look? I totally understand if you can’t or don’t want to :) FortunateSons (talk) 21:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see no reason to use them, and suggests they peddle in conspiracy theories
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Hi BilledMammal, as you didn't give a reason for you 'no move' decision at Talk:Royal standards of Canada#Requested move 22 January 2024 do you mind me asking what it was? A.D.Hope (talk) 20:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello Billed Mammal, and have come to ask that you either reopen this move or reverse your decision and close it as WP:IAR. I'd asked for a panel close at Talk:United States Capitol rotunda#Requested move 22 January 2024, mainly because one closer might feel intimidated implementing the Ignore all rules policy. You dismissed this request. You also said that you closed the discussion while deciding it "...as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy". Please note that no page argument made use of policy except for the IAR policy - all others were mixes of guidelines and essays. But nonetheless you closed the discussion by "Assessing the discussion through this lens...". There was no policy lens present in the discussion except for IAR (first time I think I've used underline on Wikipedia, but this merits it - your reason for closing was literally incorrect). Then, importantly, you claimed that to ignore the rules "editors need to convince a significant majority of editors that this is an exceptional case and warrants an exception". Where did this reasoning come from? This is a commonsense case that, given that uppercasing is used as the official name of the space by the United States Capitol, warrants an exception. I made this case within the discussion, but the only editors it really had to convince were the members of the requested panel of three experienced closers, not editors participating in the discussion. Since you incorrectly said that policy guided your close (when it was actually a mix of guidelines and essays) please reopen the discussion, or reverse your close, or step aside from it and join the request to have a panel of experienced editors take on the task of deciding if this is an WP:IAR policy candidate. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:14, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy, that language comes from WP:DETCON; it is shorthand for
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editors need to convince a significant majority of editors that this is an exceptional case and warrants an exception. IAR isn't there to allow editors, or even groups of editors, to unilaterally override established consensus. It is there to allow us to apply good sense and judgement to circumstances where, in the view of the broader community, following the letter of the rule will impede improving the encyclopedia. As a rule of thumb if you can answer "yes" to the question "Absent concerns of policy creep concerns, would the broader community agree to make this an explicit exception in policy?", then IAR can apply.
Hey BilledMammal. I noticed you removed over 48,000 bytes from the article. I know you wrote out a long edit summary, but could you maybe explain exactly why you removed each item on the talk page? Some of this comes from the obvious edit-war which occurred on the page. So, a detailed list of what was removed and why it was removed would be helpful. Plus, you did revert an edit I made, which you thanked me for (the note on that N/A line). I know this was conducted more as a revert of a now topic-blocked user, however, since edits made by other users were reverted and it was such a large edit, affecting a lot of the page, a detailed list on the article talk page with reasons for the removal and/or changes would honestly be the best thing to do. I know this is a tedious request, but it will help solve future debates that arise. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi. I've seen that you made a complaint on the talk page linked in this section's header about bludgeoning in the discussion. I understand the intent, which was to get people to quit bludgeoning the discussion, but the article talk pages generally aren't the best place to bring that up. In the future, rather than posting general notes about bludgeoning that describe but do not name specific editors, would you please reach out to the individual editors on their talk pages first, as WP:RUCD recommends? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I understand it you removed my post in the Hamas-israel war crimes article because, presumably you believed the talk page is extended confirmed protected, or that there's some policy that says ecp needed to edit the talk page. As far as I know, this is erroneous. I do not believe you need extended confirmed privileges to edit the talk page. I do not believe there is any restriction placed on that. You may be confused because, I believe, of issues specifically relating to solely that singular talk page the talk page of the Hamas-israel war of 2023 IS extended confirmed protected. So yes, the talk page of that specific article I believe is or was EC protected. The war crimes article though, obviously, is not, and I do not see anything that would restrict it thusly. What leads you to believe that the talk page that wasn't ECP is ECP? Fanccr (talk) 18:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I wanted to get your thoughts on something which caught my attention: While most of the body of the UNRWA article (by length) covers controversies around UNRWA, controversies is only allotted a short paragraph at the end of the lede. In your opinion, does this raise WP:PROPORTION issues? Thanks. eyal (talk) 18:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Do you want to open one for that baffling close? I've never done it before but will if you're not up to it. JoelleJay (talk) 19:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
I requested the move of the article mentioned above a week ago and (as of now) 14 hours ago it was said to be moved by you, however the page is still named “2021 Oxford High School shooting”. Is this normal or is there a problem? MountainDew20 (talk) 23:45, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
From your closing comments, it appears to me that you have injected yourself into the discussion, making arguments and providing rationale which do not reflect the discussion but can be ascribed to your own opinion and you have thereby become involved. For example, you have effectively discarded evidence provided in discussion regarding both the search of HeinOnline and ngrams. In the former case, there is discussion that would give reasonable grounds to support such a course. However, in the case of ngrams you have provided your own arguments and rational where there is no basis in the discussion that would support the opinion and rationale given. You appear to have judged the issue rather than assessed the strength of the arguments actually made. This has the appearance of being a WP:SUPERVOTE contrary to WP:RMCI and WP:CLOSE. I am also concerned as to why you would only consider the first page of the JSTOR results (25 results) when you have considered 100 results for HeinOnline. Such a different approach could be considered to fall to observer error or bias. Cinderella157 (talk) 12:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
English-language sources almost uniformly use "Full Faith and Credit Clause". A counterargument was made that the results do not actually show that it is uniformly used. Your own analysis shows this. When you analyse a JSTOR search, you would find 16:6 for capitalising from one page of 25 results and assert this is a 3:1 ratio that supports capitalisation. No discussion would assert that a 3:1 ratio is sufficient to apply capitalisation, nor does P&G state this. This is your own interpretation of P&G (notwithstanding that your own analysis of JSTOR gives a ratio of 2.7:1). Given this, it is apparent that you have assessed the question rather than the strength of the arguments made. I see no substantial difference between your close and that by Wbm. Some of this I might overlook if it were not your choice to analyse 25 results from JSTOR but 100 results from HeinOnline on the stated basis that the former gives 25 results per page and the latter gives scrolling results. There is no substantial difference between analysing an equal number of results in each case. The rational for analysing only 25 JSTOR v 100 HeinOnline results lacks substance, The difference, however, is that a small number of results are more likely to give a skewed result (a statistical "fact"), which has happened in this instance. Considering an equal number of results as done with HeinOnline (ie 100), the conclusion is substantially different, even by the arguments that you would make. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
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You've violated 1RR on the Israel-Hamas war article. Please revert the last two of the three consecutive edits you made. JDiala (talk) 01:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
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BM, can you help move all of the successful and unsuccessful proposals to the subpage? It makes it easier to track what worked and what didn't. We can do a move back after Phase I is complete. Awesome Aasim 22:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think she meets notability, but it’s my first wiki page, so I need want some occasional help. Would you be willing to help (within an acceptable volume, of course)? :) FortunateSons (talk) 19:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hey, thanks for closing the move discussion. I'd like to point out that the soundtrack page of the film, Aadujeevitham (soundtrack) was also moved from The Goat Life (soundtrack). Now since the parent article is moved per consensus, the soundtrack page of the movie can also be moved based on that consensus? Or should I open another page move request? Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see you've gone around articles using JWB changing『Pākehā settlers』to "European settlers, such as here. You cite the requested move, but "European settlers" is just an alternative name, meaning that one doesn't need to take precedence over the other. I'm sure you'll agree that this move is controversial, which means that these edits breaks rule 3 of AWB/JWB which says "Do not make controversial edits with it." Because of this, I would ask to ask you to self-revert these changes.
Note: I supported the RM. —Panamitsu (talk) 09:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Seek consensus for changes that could be controversial at the appropriate venue; village pump, WikiProject, etc.; I saw the RM as demonstrating consensus that the typical title we use for this should be "European settlers", particularly since much of the reason we moved the article was due to recognizability issues of the term『Pākehā』and per MOS:EGG we should try to use the most intuitive title.
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Hi, you closed the move to DECT with a 'no consensus'. I disagree. One user agreed after a long discussion, but the people who opposed the move based it on invalid arguments, of which the last user never even replied to my comment. There is a consensus to move the page. PhotographyEdits (talk) 12:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Frankly, I see your editing in the AJ discussion and in other discussions at the board as increasingly WP:DISRUPTIVE, WP:BLUDGEONING and WP:IDHT. I suggest cooling it a bit. Selfstudier (talk) 12:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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this looks like a pattern of vexatious harassment. (source) I, and several others, agree with this assessment. On content pages, he can WP:FOC, thereby keeping his own house in order. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 17:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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So, why didn't you do the thirty seconds' work to shift that material into a separate section, instead of just erasing it? Nishidani (talk) 17:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Can you save everyone a ton of time and withdraw this and give it 3-6 months before revisiting? At this point it's wildly unlikely to get consensus for a change and will turn into a huge time sink for everyone involved if it's left open. There are no AE powers granted to shut down obviously-going-to-fail-and-very-soon-after-another-RM RMs and such, so I'm just asking. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia follows the language of reliable sources.), and in a separate discussion the same editor saying the opposite, that's its obviously a massacre and thus it's appropriate to use it even if no sources do (eg.
making "massacre" pretty aptly descriptive)). BilledMammal (talk) 22:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
You're about ::::::::::::::::::: past having a productive discussion. Just a reminder to keep an eye on that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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You said that "Restoring status quo; no opinion on the image, but now that removal of this long-standing image has been contested consensus is required to remove it", but I believe this is an incorrect reading of WP:ONUS which is the policy cited in my removal. The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.
The WP policy therefore does not agree with the sentiment you included in your edit summary reverting my removal of the image. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi BilledMammal. Hope you're doing well. I was hoping to have a follow-up discussion with you about your thoughts on canvassing. I appreciate that you brought some data to the discussion, and I think it's interesting to note the ways in which WikiProject LGBT members (loosely defined) differed from the rest of the respondents. I disagree with your conclusion that notifying the WikiProject counts as a "partisan" notification. I worry that such an interpretation would disqualify any WikiProject notifications, since it's commonly and unsurprisingly true that WikiProjects attract and retain editors with shared interests (and sometimes opinions). Unless you're opposed in general to WikiProject notifications—which is probably a viewpoint that should lead to wider discussion—I don't think it's a useful objection to the specific notification that happened here.
I wouldn't defend such notifications in all cases. An example of a partisan WikiProject notification might be selecting three of the five tagged WikiProjects in an evidently biased manner, or tagging an unrelated project based on assumptions about the opinions of its members (like tagging WP:WikiProject Contract bridge in a dispute about Ageism). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
mostly populated by a biased or partisan audienceare considered canvassing. The second establishes that "biased " or "partisan" means non-representative of the broader community - it doesn't mean they have no opinion.
disrupt the consensus building process by making participation lopsided.
Just checking that you did intend Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus → Israeli airstrike of the Iranian consulate in Damascus, rather than to Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus, i.e. the 'of' / 'on' difference?? Nurg (talk) 08:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would like you to reconsider your close of this move discussion because you claimed that you were following the naming convention, but I pointed out in my oppose to the move that the naming convention actually favours the English-language common name in reliable sources. As I said in the move discussion, the opening rationale is a distortion of the guideline. You also claim "a majority of reliable sources do not use the title", which is a false claim that was disproven during the discussion. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of reliable sources use.
An editor has asked for a Move reviewofErnst August von Hannover (born 1983). Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
As far as I can see, the move under the Polish–Ukrainian relations (1939–1947) title was supported by:
Of these, only Sleetleos opted for a title more focused on conflict than relations, but he agreed that my proposal was a good one either way. The outcome of the discussion is quite clear to me. I don't quite understand your decision on staying with “conflict.” Best regards Marcelus (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Regarding the closing of this RM as a bold move, I don't see a good reason for stating that. Per WP:RMNOMIN, the RM was open for a full 7 days without objection, and there is no requirement for others to respond. — BarrelProof (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Are your "testing" experiments finished? If so, please tag this page, and any others you created in Project space, for CSD G7 speedy deletion. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Could you please fix how the rmCloserExpanded script does round-robin moves? It should do one move for the article and two for the redirect, rather than two moves for the article and one for the redirect. This means that if A is the article to be moved and B is the redirect, then the script should do moves in the following order: B → Draft:Move/A, A → B, Draft:Move/A → A; rather than A → Draft:Move/B, B → A, Draft:Move/B → B. GTrang (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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You moved this article but I think the article content has to be changed to match the new article page title. Thanks for following through on this. Liz Read! Talk! 04:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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This was a poorly executed move btw, you seemed to miss the prior existence of La Rinconada (disambiguation). GiantSnowman 17:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi BilledMammal - I saw you closed the proposed move of Welsh Language Society to Cymdeithas yr Iaith as no consensus and gave no explanation as to why.
While the votes were a roughly even split, I gave large number of reliable sources demonstrating that Cymdeithas yr Iaith is the primary and predominant name in English language sources as per WP:COMMONNAME. The counter-argument seemed to be that if an English Language name exists and is sometimes given as a courtesy translation in RSs, it should take precedence over a non-English name even if it is never/hardly ever used as a standalone title which seems to be a misunderstanding of WP:UE.
Based on policy I think a consensus to move should have been found. Morwennol (talk) 12:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi, you closed the move discussion here Talk:Bud Light boycott#c-BilledMammal-20240602060900-Requested move 13 May 2024, but there was clearly non consensus reached, so per WP:NOCONSENSUS the status-quo be maintained per our policies and the article not be moved. Raladic (talk) 14:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The thread is The thread is JDiala.
Thank you. FortunateSons (talk) 13:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You seem to have accidentally moved the page to Mario vs. Donkey Kong (video game), which is the wrong place for the series article. The proper thing to do would have been to move it to Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series). This was not a page swap situation. I would have waited until the AfD was over before enacting the move, but now you will have to fix it by moving the page and AfD once again to the correct place. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
it's unclear where Mario vs. Donkey Kong should go, given this result and absent a result for the AfD. For now I have left it at Mario vs. Donkey Kong (video game), although I have re-targeted the links that used to go to Mario vs Donkey Kong to Mario vs. Donkey Kong (sub-series); if the AfD is closed as keep or no consensus, any editor should feel free to move the article to any title other than Mario vs. Donkey Kong.BilledMammal (talk) 07:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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I’m not sure if it’s only a problem on my end, but the formatting is moved to far right for me. Whether or not to fix it is up to you, right socks aren’t wrong socks :) FortunateSons (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Just so it's clear where I'm coming from, I'll preface my comments with this:
With that out of the way, I ask as your peer whether you'd be willing to consider taking a breather. In the past month or two especially, I feel like I've seen your name at the center of several highly visible disputes, and I don't believe I'm the only one who's taken note of this. You've been pretty good at doing things above board, which is how you dodged a bullet at ANI a few weeks ago, but don't count on that next time. Fighting on several fronts like this almost inevitably leads to consensus that it's battleground behavior and support for bans from the relevant areas, whether you're in the right or not. I've found that after participating in a major conflict or dispute, it's helpful to step away from controversial areas for a while so as not to even look at them and instead edit somewhere quieter or more collegial, if only for my own mental health.
And I'm not unaware of the various talk-page stalkers of all stripes who are reading this. Consider this general advice for all of you. If you're reading this, you're probably too invested as well. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I'm puzzled by your edit to Right of way. Can you explain yourself? As far I can see a discussion was ongoing and no consensus had been reached. Also the new title is very confusing. See my comments on Talk:Right of way (public throughway). Apparently in the US a throughway is a motorway, at least according to my dictionaries, so is incorrect/highly confusing for this article. Rwood128 (talk) 19:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Regarding your close of Protestant Church in Germany: I don't follow your reasoning. Evangelicalism, which "Evangelical" suggests, is not a bit different in translation but almost the opposite. Groups adhering to evangelicalism are often not part of the Mainstream Protestant Church, EKD. Do you understand that? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Why we would still keep it, remains a mystery to me.
Thanks for engaging in RM closure at Fallout, I recognize that it's a non-trivial task. However, I have to point out a couple of things. Maybe this won't change your mind here, but hopefully it should be helpful for the future.
You wrote editors supporting the move argue that this is the primary topic by use
. I don't think this is an accurate reading of my position, which I felt was the best elaborated one and should have been given weight commensurate to that (maybe I am wrong, please correct me if so). I was arguing that other kinds of fallout also have substantial long-term significance - both the mass of entertainment topics, the volcano fallout and the various rhetorical fallouts. Usage aspects are definitely not to be ignored, obviously, but the argument was not purely "long-term significance of nuclear fallout does not override usage", it was "long-term significance of nuclear fallout isn't big enough to override usage + long-term significance of all other topics".
But the second sentence you wrote is what really confused me, including neither side significantly disputed the factual basis for the others position
and this would come down to which side has the most support among editors
. This interpretation runs counter to WP:RMCIDC, which advises:
Consensus is determined not just by considering the preferences of the participants in a given discussion, but also by evaluating their arguments, assigning due weight accordingly, and giving due consideration to the relevant consensus of the Wikipedia community in general as reflected in applicable policy, guidelines and naming conventions.
If you thought the factual dispute wasn't carried out in a way that made it clear which facts were most relevant, that could just mean that we were talking past each other. That's something that can be addressed by requiring a better, consensus-building discussion. It should not be addressed by !vote-counting of any kind. --Joy (talk) 08:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
better, consensus-building discussion. If there are two sides who disagree with each other, and neither side is convincing the other, then there is nothing I as a closer can do to make them agree - all I can do is assess which side has the stronger arguments, and if each side has equally strong arguments, which sides position has more support amongst the community. BilledMammal (talk) 09:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Consensus cannot always be assumed simply because editors stop responding to talk page discussions in which they have already participated.
The goal of a consensus-building discussion is to resolve disputes in a way that reflects Wikipedia's goals and policies while angering as few editors as possible.