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Ammon is linked to from Greek gods, but no mention of it is made in the Ammon article.
Are there any sources for any of this history that aren't ultimately derived from Hebrew scripture? ⟳ausa کui × 03:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I looked there. There is one citation in this article that isn't based on Hebrew scripture, and it doesn't support this claim. Am I missing something? ⟳ausa کui × 19:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
Here, I'll make it easier for you to find the links: Here are some artifacts showing the Ammonite language:
The article also notes they are mentioned as living by various historians as Josephus and Justin Martyr, if you read it carefully.
ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 19:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
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I was just wondering as i heard that he came about because his mother had him by having sex with her father,Lot, aka incest. And as i heard that if you were in a similar situation like him (having his father also being his grandfather as well!) you might as well have bad and/or severe genetic disorders, and as my father put it, he might as well been a dummy! So do you think so? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.243.35.175 (talk) 00:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Don't you mean that, collectively, BOTH Ammonites and Moabites were known as the Children of Lot? rowley (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
The dictionary is not a reliable source for ancient history. Please find something better. causa sui× 21:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)Reply
I removed the “In Islamic traditions” section which stated: “In Sudan, there is a Muslim tradition that the Ammonites are found in Jabal Barkal. They are the descendants of 'Ammūn (Ammon) the son of Nabi Lūt ("Prophet Lot").” This statement is unsourced and seems to be based on an error (i.e. that of conflating the descendants of worshipers of Amun an ancient Sudanese/Egyptian god with the nation of Ammon, a people who worshiped the god Milcom/Molech and occupied an area east of the Jordan river).
BrooklynHabiru (talk) 14:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)Reply
Template:unreliable sources was added to the article. What sources are not reliable?patsw (talk) 03:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for the late reply, only 11 months later! :-) I think it's important that the Bible, and secondary sources that rely primarily or exclusively on the Bible, not be used as a citation to support statements that read as if they are historical fact. Also, using direct citations to scripture in the article likely constitutes original research, as I'm sure we are all aware of the vast literature on which translation is the most authentic and which interpretation captures the message of the scriptures. The secondary sources on the Bible should support statements in the article only about what the Bible says, and not what is historically true. The Bible itself should not be used as a citation at all except for direct quotations (naming the translation used). I'm not familiar with prior discussion on the reliability of the Jewish Encyclopedia and Jewish Antiquities, but I have not researched that yet. Citations to the website of the King of Jordan are unacceptable and should not be used at all.
Many changes are necessary to bring the article into alignment with these policies. I think we can start with the diagram. The caption needs to be changed or the diagram removed entirely. The next place I would turn my attention would be removing or reworking the stretches of prose where the content is cited directly to the Bible. This statement is particularly inappropriate:『Their murder of Gedaliah (2 Kings 25:22 - 26 ; Jeremiah 40:14) was a dastardly act.』I think this is a good starting point. --causa sui (talk) 20:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
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In the recent revert, User:יבריב changed the first letter of the name "Ammon" to Ô in modern Hebrew. The argument given by the editor is,『This is patach qatan, it makes an “aw” sound, which ‘ô’ transliterated in IPA.』
What? Is there some kind of patah qatan in modern Hebrew that I somehow missed learning about? Does any source, ever, use ô to represent patah? Alephb (talk) 01:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
The discussion is more advanced at Talk:Edom#Territory: historical evolution; map deeply flawed and had also been started at Talk:Moab#MAP is so bad. The map is SO substandard, flawed and misleading that it absolutely needs to be removed. The WP user is better off without. Arminden (talk) 13:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
"Ammon...nation...occupying the east of the Jordan River, between the torrent valleys of Arnon and Jabbok...maintained its independence...10th to 7th centuries BCE." Says the text. The map however shows all the Jordan Valley there and even a stretch of the plateau to the east as part of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) - in 830, so in the 9th c. BCE! Either the deifinition of Ammon is wrong, or the map. Both can't be right. And that's a fundamental flaw, which renders the article useless, as one is left wondering if to believe anything at all. Arminden (talk) 01:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
This topic is closely related to this one: Talk:Moab#Where does Moab end and Ammon begin? Map not helpful. Maybe we should concentrate the discussion (if anyone wants to contribute) on only one of the pages. Arminden (talk) 01:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
"The Ammonites received little historical mention from contemporaries through the Persian and early Hellenistic periods.[citation needed]"
It is impossible to cite non-existing sources. Whomever asked for citation needs to remove the citation needed, please. This is similar to double-negative. One cannot prove a vacuum. I have no ownership of this article. This is merely a humorous distraction to the reader. 67.233.183.5 (talk) 17:34, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply