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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Pan Arab Games → Arab Games – The official name of this event is the Arab Sports Games (الألعاب الرياضية العربية), which is shown on the official logo of the event (see here). This name is typically shortened to Arab Games (الألعاب العربية), as shown by the official website of this year's event which is arabgames2023.dz and has the text "15TH EDITION OF ARAB GAMES" on the home page (there is no mention of "Pan Arab" anywhere in the site). Arab Games has always been the name of this event, see the official website of the 2011 event which was named arabgames2011.qa and refers to the name of the event as Arab Games throughout the website, again with no mention of "Pan Arab". See here for the 2011 logo which also says Arab Games. The name Arab Games is also the WP:COMMONNAME - if you search Google for Arab Games there are far more results than Pan Arab Games, and the name Arab Games is in line with other similar events such as Asian Games and African Games. The event has never been called "Pan Arab Games" in either the English or Arabic language and this is also not the common name. Hence, this page and other associated pages should be moved to Arab Games. Hashim-afc (talk) 15:41, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Support -- Relevant news sources all call it Arab Games or The Arab Games and African Games and Asian Games set a precedence. Apathyash (talk) 15:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Nehme1499: Arab Sports Games is indeed the full official name, but I would argue Arab Games is the WP:COMMONNAME (in Arabic as well as English). It's been called Arab Games ever since the start and even the official website itself uses this shortened name (both 2011 and 2023 websites). The same reason as to why we have article named UEFA European Championship and not "UEFA European Football Championship", for example. Hashim-afc (talk) 21:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
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@EggRoll97: I know this has already been done and dusted, but I don't find this claim to "Common name" convincing at all. Lots of the foremost English languages outlets covering this are still calling it the Pan Arab Games [1][2][3], as are international bodies [4] and national bodies too [5]. Google searches for the term "Pan Arab Games" returns 4.7 million results while a search for "Arab Games" minus pan has only 390,000 results and there is significant unrelated overlap with the general topic of games in the Arabic world[6], as well as Arabic gaming [7]. Even a search for Arab Games in google news returns lots of results for Pan Arab Games and Arab Sports Games also. The effort to rename all the articles has been expended, but I think the basis for this decision was highly flawed and hasn't really dug into the sources.
Reviewing the historical record, Pan Arab Games has undoubtedly been the most common name for this event in English for every past edition, and possibly also the current one too. The avoidance of "Pan" in recent non-English sources is due to political conflict in the Arab world, hence why Arab Sports Games has been promoted. The idea "Arab Games" is the common name for the history of this competition is not backed up by English sources. SFB17:21, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Sillyfolkboy: I'd say that argument would be better placed in a new move discussion if you believe it can change the consensus about the current page name. However, under current consensus from the recent discussion, the page should stay at Arab Games unless and until a new consensus emerges. EggRoll97(talk) 00:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Does that consensus actually matter when it is based on verifiably false information?
The 2011 Arab Games opening ceremony is on Youtube, and is very clearly just says "Arab Games" in english, this was kept since then. The previous games in 2007 are referred to by Getty Images an "Pan-Arab Games", which seems to have been the case for all previous iterations. All articles about individual events should use the name used at the time, overview articles such as this one the currently used one. Someone decided to move all the "Athletics at the [year] Pan-Arab Games" to say "Arab Games" only, which for the events before 2011 is just plain incorrect. jonas (talk) 22:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
On what basis have you concluded that the name "Pan-Arab Games" was used for all editions before 2011? I have conducted a search in The Iraq Times newspaper from 1951 to 1963: there were 32 instances of the newspaper using the term "Arab Games" in that timeframe and only 2 instances where it used "Pan-Arab Games" and 2 instances where it used "All-Arab Games" (see here). So, even in the 1950s and 1960s when the "Pan-Arab Games" name would have been at its peak (due to the pan-Arabism movement), it was far outweighed by the name Arab Games, let alone in subsequent years where Arab Games has been the only name used in any official capacity. Hashim-afc (talk) 12:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
