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i think that you got the displacements wrong for the E90 sedan, BMW is using the same sized engine for both the 325i and the 330i, but is changing the intake geometry in the 330i in order to produce more HP
The above statement is wrong. The 325i has 2497 cm3, while the 330i has 2996 cm3. I corrected the specs for the 330d, added the 316i and x-models. All info taken from www.bmw.no (official norwegian BMW website). Rwdf 18:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
Rwdf, please note that both North American 325/330 models use the N52B30. The 325i uses a detuned version, but both engines displace 3.0L. This continues with the 328i/xi, which also uses the N52B30 in North America. I have changed the article where necessary to reflect this. Fuscob 01:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
Yes, BMW 2006 E-90 325i/xi models, use 3.0l I6 engines (N52B30). The table lists 2.5l, changing this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.220.121 (talk) 03:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply
Since BMWs are commonplace in Europe and the USA, and are a German owned company, it's necessary to explain the terms, sedan, saloon, station wagon and so on. The terms station wagon and sedan are more generally Americanisms. In Europe, BMW sedans are clearly marketed as saloons, so I've added a line to explain the difference in language, and clarify the current models available, rather than keep changing them from one to the other which has been the case on this page.--Escaper7 06:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure the changes to the forthcoming coupe models are correct. BMW ditched its 2.8 litre engine in 2000 when the 330 (2996cc)or 3 litre engine was launched. I can't see how they would then bring out a new 2.8 litre engine delivering 300bhp when the existing 330 saloons/sedan deliver 258bhp. The main page needs a little attention.--Escaper7 11:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)Reply
This entry seems to subject to pointless deletions. Why take out the the explanations of terms such as touring, and station wagon, saloon and sedan etc? The terms may be interchangeable in the US and Europe, but they are NOT obvious to someone in the UK who has never heard of the term sedan and are specialist terms so worthy of inclusion. I thought the point of Wikipedia was to add to the knowledge base, not to keep removing CORRECT information.--Escaper7 12:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
I am pretty sure a 316i model does not exist of the E90. I cannot find any reference to one on either the German, Dutch, Belgium or UK BMW website to any such model.
The prior E46 did have a 316i model, but it seems that with the E90 that was dropped..
Ok, perhaps I was wrong... After also going through the Norwegian, Swedish, Finish, Danish, Luxembourgh, French, Swiss, Austrian and Italian websites I found that the only one to list a 316i is the Norwegian BMW website.
So right now it seems the 316i is exclusive to Norway, and then only in the Sedan (E90) version. Unless it is a mistake on the Norwegian website, and they just forgot to update it from the E46 to the E90, which also seems rather strange.
The 316 model is also available in Turkey. [1]Angelnose 12:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
BMWs are not exclusively European, therefore this entire article does not need to solely focus on litres and other metric measurements, as well as exclusively using the word "petrol." -Ridethefire3211 03:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
I've all but given up editing this article because it's falling over itself with technical information that is different according to where in the world the car is marketed. If the article is called BMW E90, then the Wiki style book says it should be in bold in the first sentence i.e: BMW E90 then as BMW 3 Series or similar (see my comments above). But there are then long info boxes on the other models E91 etc. The point is, how useful is this article to a reader who knows nothing about the car? I find it all a bit bewildering, and incidentally am the owner of a European 330M Sport Saloon, bought in March and have owned all of the previous four generations. Escaper7 16:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
At this stage I'd recommend nuking the article and starting a from-the-ground-up rewrite, with the proper "arm's length" distance required/expected of an encyclopedia. Incremental changes won't help, the aticle has substantial problems and a rewrite is the quickest way to fix it. Zunaid 12:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Good ideas all of them, especially making the comparison section not-so-prominent. The hardest thing is going to be the layout and arrangement of sections, and trying not to disrupt the "flow" of the article (not that there is much flow at all at the moment), hence my suggestion of a complete rewrite. I'm gonna work on this in my spare time over a few days, will see what I come up with. I think it may be possible to integrate the E91 info etc into this article as a brief section on the various body style derivatives with illustrative pictures (and of course getting rid of the infoboxes). Having three separate articles on different body styles of the same car is overkill. It should also be mentioned immediately in the lead-in paragraph, and possibly we should create redirect pages from those titles to here (although maybe they aren't such plausible search terms). Some reviews and info would be good too. (Just on a side note, I've edited on Honda S2000, Mazda RX-8 and Nissan 350Z, cars with maybe a handful of model derivatives. I'm starting to appreciate how hard it must be to conglomerate the sheer quantity of info that an entire model range presents.) Zunaid 14:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Instead of years we could use model generations e.g. BMW 3 Series (5th generation). For one, you'd know exactly which model, sequentially, you're talking about, and for two, it's a world car so the same year can correspond to different models in different countries. I actually don't see the problem with leaving the title as is. The article on BMW 3 Series should make it clear how the models are designated. This, in addition to the infobox BMW below every BMW article allows the reader to navigate (somewhat) intuitively between articles. Yes, I realise lumping them all under E90 is technically incorrect, but it seems the expedient thing to do as the others are merely derivatives. The casual reader will be guided here by the 3 Series article and the infobox (which correctly lumps all the designations as one model), so would be fore-warned that E91 and other derivatives are contained in this article. (I just thought of a maybe-not-so-analagous example: Honda F20C engine, which has a subsection on the F22C1, which was a derivative and didn't need its own article.) Zunaid 16:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Good grief, this is starting to give me a headache! I strongly disagree with you that we should have separate articles for the E90, E91, E92 and E93. They are all the same car, just with different body styles. Writing separate articles on each is IMHO overkill and would anyway contain lots of overlap. My view is that all the rest should redirect to E90, and the lead-in sentence of this article should be along the lines of either:
I think/hope this kills all the birds with one stone. To me at least it seems the best compromise. The use of redirects is correct and legitimate, and immediately gets the redear to the correct article, where the very first sentence makes it clear what the article is about. And obviously the article would have ONLY ONE infobox. What do you think? Zunaid 08:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
One day I'll get around to writing a WP:FLOW guideline ;) Flow is actually hard to define, you know good flow when you read it, and you can immediately tell when an article does not flow logically. As for American vs Commonwealth english, I think several factors count towards the commonwealth usage:
Okay so we've reached some sort of compromise, let's get down to the editing itself. I'm gonna create a section below for just posting references (weblinks) so that we don't have to duplicate efforts to track them down. Zunaid 12:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
I think the English needs to be changed to American English. How much traffic comes from the United States vs other countries?
With regard to the company being in Germany... great point. There is a German Wikipedia. I'm not going to make any changes, but I think it's worth considering. The language is going to be confusing to most site visitors. A saloon is a place where cowboys drink whiskey, not a car they haul their kids around in. :)
Post references (weblinks) to reliable sources in this section to use for the article rewrite. Keep all discussion in the above section please. Don't bother to sign and date, but do provide a brief description of the link you've posted. Reliable sources would be things like: Official BMW websites, Official BMW specs and press releases, reviews in well-respected magazines and newspapers, other editorial stories in well-respected magazines and newspapers. Do not post links to forums, blogs, owners' clubs etc as these are unlikely to be considered reliable.
I checked the official performance figures for both. 0-100km for manual 328i is 6.6 sec (7.2 for auto) 0-100km for manual 330ci is 6.5 sec (7.0) Their Top speed should be similar.
Is there a reason why we can't have a BMW E90 sandbox article so we can try to improve this offline? How does that work on a major rewrite? That would allow us to edit a page offline, although I'm not sure if that's the correct approach for Wiki. Escaper7 15:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Check these out: E-codes BMW Escaper7 08:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
There is a silly page E92 that isnt being updated, I suggest what can be gleened from it should be merged in to this article. skyskraper 04:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
Merged (in fact there wasn't anything to merge).--BSI 17:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)Reply
The "body styles and models" section of the article is intended to specify the various body styles in the E90 family. Since the E91/E92/E93 are not considered different cars, their descriptions are included in this article. The sub-section regarding the 320si homologation car is too specific to be included in "body styles and models." I have created a separate heading entitled "Special edition" for the text. Fuscob 03:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Reply
It should be merged with BMW E90. Janadore 18:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
If this is an "entry level vehicle", what's the 1-series? Socrates2008 (Talk) 14:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Why don't we move this article to BMW E90/E91/E92/E93? I guess it is the suitable title for this article, because it contains about those 4 platforms of BMW. C H J L Discuss 09:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
On the E30, E36 and E46 the 320 model always had a 6 cylinder engine and was the start of the 6 Cylinder engined cars in the range. For the E90 series the 6 Cylinder engine only appears on the 323 or higher variants. Is this worth a mention? A lot of people who I know aren't fans of the 4 cylinder engine and don't consider it to be a proper BMW engine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.164.209 (talk) 21:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
The horsepower number quoted for the direct injection 330i is wrong. It is 200kW, which is 272 metric HP (source = check BMW's website, like the configurator on www.bmw.de). That means 268 HP as measured in the US. So the chart should say: 268 bhp (200 kW; 272 PS). The torque number is correct. I'll make the change to the page, but thought I'd explain here why I'm doing so.BK DC (talk) 01:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
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Hi, if anyone can find any reliable information on development of the E90 chassis and model line from between 1999 to 2004 (for sedan), plus that of the other variants and LCIs through 2010, that would be wonderful. My goal is to have the development backstory, for every vehicle model on Wikipedia for informative purposes. I ask this to ensure that, none of us is doing original research WP: OR or introducing false information into articles. Compared to Japanese brands, it should be fairly easier, considering that there is firm emphasis on discussing product history inside-out by German automakers and an astounding level of confident transparency in discussing background information on models, generation to generation. The key is just finding all the archived information.--Carmaker1 (talk) 06:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
I am a bit confused regarding development of the E90 sedan, as usually BMW requires about 6-8 months to go from approving a final exterior design for a new model in full-size clay (irregular dimensions, fit) to completing design freeze (99% production design, save for minor detailing). BMW had strictly adhered to a 30-month period between styling freeze and Job #1, as seen with the E65 7-Series and E85 Z4. For the E90, they claim development started around 1999, but was halted in favour of the E81 1-Series (design freeze 2001). In late 2001, E90 development resumed with design competition.
Sometime in early 2002, a final design by designer Joji Nagashima had to have been approved by (then) sole BMW design director Christopher Edward Bangle and the BMW Group executive board. BMW officially stated "The (E90) exterior was ready to be signed off in late 2002, prototypes were built and sent to testing in 2003". Judging by standard BMW operating procedure at that time, this doesn't make sense. The E90 went into production as scheduled in December 2004, so that pushes it in advance towards a June 2002 design freeze. What doesn't make sense to me, is the fact that 6 months + 30 months, = 36 months, so the E90 exterior body would have needed approval by December 2001. I cannot see how BMW managed that and I have to question the source I was provided. The only plausibility, is that BMW shortened development of the car by 3 months. Comparatively, the F30 design approval was on March 2, 2009 and sales began just under 36 months later. Anyone that cares to chime in, I welcome it. (The link provided isn't the original source, it is from a BMW book.)--Carmaker1 (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
It is an interesting site to say the least, because it provides some very, very obscure dates on chassis codes that don't even correlate with BMW production runs. Instead, as with E60, it lists start dates in late 2001 and months of production in 2002.
For E65, I have even seen February and March 2000 listed as production dates. E65 design was frozen in January 1999 and was first caught testing on camera in Feb/March 2000. Before that, E38 based mules were seen during 1999. It was no where near production in early 2000 nor E60 in late 2001. Those were simply prototypes being listed.
@1292simon:, I know it is very hard to find deep and reliable information on past BMWs, because of many WP:PAYWALLs on archives and literature, as well as defunct websites, but I begrudgingly have to admit, I can't rely on Realoem as a good source of information on BMW Job 1 dates.
On prototypes? It's an interesting puzzle to sift through, in helpfully supplementing BMW historical timelines on development. But it would be WP:OR and speculation on development, without full context.
Real OEM somehow seems to go by, prototype builds of a model line being built, as there are G20s with Job 1 dayes in 2017. As well as G11 LCI in 2017. We both know that isn't true, but they coincidentally match first spy shots of each respective vehicle.
If you don't believe me, go and check. You'll be very shocked at what they list on some cars, as they definitely are including initial test builds of what BMW calls IEX prototypes and PPP test vehicles.
The production section is not supposed to include pilot builds, but solely SOP or Job 1 to EOP. Carmaker1 (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for your input @Toasted Meter:, as I recall that now from before. Glad all 3 of us are on the same page and I think maybe I need to condense the initial prose regarding dates, so that 1292simon's Production section is given primary importance. (idealized 3 or more days ago) Carmaker1 (talk) 07:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hello Mr.Choppers, Regarding the unexplained reverts of yours, I believe that my edit is in accordance with WP:CARUNITS. The engines section does not include any references providing only Pferdstarke (PS) ratings, therefore there is no supporting evidence that this then-obsolete unit is required. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
As per my initial argument when creating this Talk Page discussion, the then-obsolete Pferdstarke unit is not required to validate the references here. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
You are missing the 328xi all wheel drive for 2007 and 2008 2603:300A:54:D100:C05F:9228:A84D:4A07 (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply