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I say no. They are different terms with different meanings and have been in use in mutually exclusive ways at different times. It is appropriate to refer to the other terms in each article or to consider them disambiguations of a higher level article on country grouping for various purposes.
71.110.202.44 (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)Reply
The articles are fine by themselves. People will be more confused if they are merged together.
I don't have time to edit this myself at the moment. I just want to highlight that the text about Goldman Sachs in the Thesis chapter is doubled. The bit starting from "Goldman Sachs argues that the economic..." is esentially copied at "Goldman Sachs has argued that..." in section 5 of the same chapter. Skrofler (talk) 09:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Merely a query over the projected GDP tables for 2025 & 2050: Australia features as the 14th largest economy by nominal GDP in 2008, yet fails to feature in the top 22 in both 2025 and 2050. I am curious what the basis of the reasoning behind this is. Even if Australia was to maintain the same nominal GDP from 2008 into 2025, which is unlikely in that it would more likely grow, it would still feature as number 19 (?) in the 2025 nominal GDP table ahead of Bangladesh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.185.248.131 (talk) 03:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
Hi, sorry Im not used to edit wikipedia sites. I jsut wanted to say that the quote for the prediction that the BRIC countries will surpass the G7 in 2032 can be found in page 138 of: Goldman Sachs (2007), ‘BRICs and beyond’, Goldman Sachs Global Economics Group http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/brics/book/BRIC-Full.pdf
Cheers, Emile le reveil (talk) 13:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
hey i have put a better piture of mumbai, why are you taking it off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.64.87 (talk) 23:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)Reply
The article says that the term BRIC was first coined by Goldman Sachs in 2001. However, the article links to the report of 2003. Is it a misprint or the term did really appear in 2001 but in a different document? GS website also does not provide anything earlier than 2003.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acvec (talk • contribs) 19:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)Reply
I type in brick trying to get information on bricks as in the building product and it goes to this very obscure subject —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.110.206 (talk) 22:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)Reply
The caption reads top 5 countries in terms of GDP Nominal by 2050. However the data lists Mexico as number 5 by 2050 over Russia which is placed 6th. Micro360 (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)Reply
This sentence is stated in the article in three different places. I have removed the two first ones. The last one, found in the Mexico sub-entry -- where it is more fitting -- is still there.189.118.199.29 (talk) 00:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)Reply
There are plausible reasons for modifying the navbox templates at the bottom of the page at BRIC. An opportunity for discussion needs to be part of any process which precedes change. Three arguable improvements are:
A. Combining two of the current navboxes at the bottom of the page?
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What is the best next step for this article? for similar articles? --Tenmei (talk) 23:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)Reply
Mexico, Indonesia and South Korea are countries included in the Next Eleven report, also by Goldman Sachs. There is hardly any description of these countries in the next eleven article. Since this is an article on BRIC countries, the rest should be moved to the 'Next Eleven' article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathaiman (talk • contribs) 17:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)Reply
"Mexico and South Korea were the only other countries comparable to the BRICs, but their economies were excluded initially because they were considered more developed" :i live in mexico and i watch korean dramas and i see how korea is really developed,korea look like a high developed country,but i live in mexico and here the country have some nice places but most mexico look poor,i don't see mexico much more developed than the brics,is the true.
{{Edit semi-protected}} Extreme vandalism over this article by anonimous brazilian partisan who are in several places trying to bring to top its country in every ranking. kardrak (talk) 19:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)Reply
Whoever is trying to transform this page from a BRIC page into a BRICI page, STOP. There is no such thing as BRICI. If you want to coin that term, you will be the first to do so.. so please go and make a new article if you are desperate for a BRICI article. Please stop tampering with this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.85.201 (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)Reply
I just removed a highly dubious claim stating that BOVESPA, Brazil's main bourse, is the second largest in the world by 'market value'. This claim was cited from a Chinese state newspaper, but no sources from the World Federation of Exchanges could support such a claim. In fact, I do not even know what they mean by 'market value', since there is no such criterion to choose from when you try to get data relating to stock exchanges from the World Federation of Exchanges. Here's the link.
http://www.world-exchanges.org/statistics/ytd-monthly
The closest you could get to is market capitalization, which is probably what they meant by market value, and BOVESPA is only the world's 12th largest according to market capitalization.
Please do not add dubious claims as facts simply because it is cited from some other source. (1tephania (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC))Reply
1tephania: BOVESPA is the second-largest stock exchange in the world by market value, behind Hong Kong and ahead of Chicago. Sources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
Alex Covarrubias: currently, the English-language Wikipedia deems Brazil a Potential superpower. I believe the attention given to Mexico and South Korea in the BRIC article is the relevant case of boosterism here. Missionary (talk) 22:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Dear 1tephania, perhaps you failed to grasp the difference between the market value of stocks listed on a bourse and the market value of the bourse itself, the latter being what I referenced in my edit. For example, there are stocks worth $2.7 trillion listed on the Hong Kong exchange, but HKEx's market value is the largest in the world, at "just" 24 billion dollars. In other words, we're talking about the value of the stock operators, not the companies listed. Your World-exchanges.org link provides no clarification on the market value of the stock operators.
Finally, I leave you a message to Assume Good Faith over your fellow Wikipedia contributors, and most importantly, realize that, in Wikipedia, nobody has the right to act as if they are the owner of a particular article. Please, do not expect your fellow users to be cowered or intimidated by messages such as "get your hands off this article", or threats like "if you lay another hand here, then ...". This is known as a no-edit order, a proscribed and scorned practice in this collaborative project.
I will re-do my edit because I am absolutely positive it is truthful and relevant to the article. If you wish to discuss this further, please do. Missionary (talk) 22:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
Someone should take the time to make this BRIC + S since South Africa was recently added to the group.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MA04Ad02.html http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-01/02/c_13674385.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.108.175.37 (talk) 13:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
I think South Africa should definitely be included: http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-12-24-south-africa-invited-to-join-bric-group —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.206.23 (talk) 11:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
I would like to question the neutrality of the section on south Africas admission. It starts off saying "even xyz, was confused" so it has a negative slant against south africa's inclusion rather then presenting the issue surrounding south africa's inclusion. It is pretty clear the author does not think SA should be included and they leave no room for why SA was included.--MsTingaK (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
South Africa should be officially added?? I mean we should wait out the next publication of Goldman Sachs and view the statistics for South Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorge 2701 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
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Is there any possible reason to include:
Jorge 2701, we had already discussed this on your talk page one month ago. Why remove the relevant information that BM&FBovespa, Brazil's stock exchange operator, is the third largest in the world by market value? Isn't this a relevant show of economic importance from a BRIC company (and the whole country), and appropriate to the Marketing section? Missionary (talk) 19:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
The result of the move request was: page moved. Nightw 21:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
BRIC → BRICS — South Africs is now part of the group so it should be rename. — ASDFGH =] talk? 06:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Goldman Sachs and the author of the report is mentioned so many times (sometimes unnecessarily) that the current article is becoming quite confusing.
The editors are requested to split this page into two different wikipedia topics - one, that analyzes and discusses the Goldman Sachs report which coined the term, and the other on the the formation and trends of BRIC the politico-economic organization.
Also, the current report only includes praise and criticism from a western point of view (and mostly based on the Goldman Sachs report). In the interest of neutrality, please analyze the newspaper reports on BRIC from the newspapers of these four countries (Brazil, Russia, China, India) for a better perspective on the political plus and minuses of this grouping. 117.205.84.62 (talk) 14:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
See Talk:BRICS/draft for version I couldn't check in. 67.100.125.92 (talk) 19:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Other countries do not form trade alliances to deny the US its rightful place as the arbiter and dictator of nations. Removed flagged text implying as much. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 03:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
BRIC is an economic term/accronym and a financial thesis by Goldam Sachs' Jim O'Neil. BRIC countries now united in a political organization and included South Africa, creating the BRICS. It was wrong to move BRIC to BRICS since the two accronyms are about different subjects.
One article should talk about the financial thesis as BRIC originally was intended to. BRICS should be about the meetings, treaties, accords, summits and common policies developed by Brazin, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
We had to start a "new" article at BRIC, but that is not right because we've lost all the article history. I will request a move back to BRIC, and then we should create a new article from scratch about the political organization here at BRICS. AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 02:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
The result of the move request was: moved BRICS back to BRIC; moved the forked-off duplicated BRIC page that had been created in the meantime out of the way, to Talk:BRIC/forked, where it is now blanked but has its history of between April and June 2011 preserved. Hope this is what people wanted. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC) Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)Reply
No further comment for 2 days now... what remains to be done to resolve this issue? — Gk sa (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
There consensus to do the action nominated.Curb Chain (talk) 04:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Uh, a move was done, but this SECOND move doesn't seem to have been done properly...Curb Chain (talk) 23:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
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Please move BRICStoBRIC (w/ history + talk) and BRICtoBRICS (w/ history + talk). A second move was done and it was improperly done it seems.Curb Chain (talk) 09:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Obviously, this was not done, and the repeat process is forced. If there is a problem, this process has to be redone.Curb Chain (talk) 04:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)Reply
I believe that in this article we must leave the names of the countries with flag for ease of reading, i mean, many people see the flag and recognize what country are we talking about at least in the statistics section, is not a nationalistic pride. Please comment --Jorge 2701 (talk) 04:43, 18 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
For the (coming) BRICS article, should the map not be of a different type? The Robinson projection, while a compromise projection, is still a very poor illustration of the countries involved in comparison to each other. How about a map that is Equal-area? — Gk sa (talk) 14:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
This article says that by 2050, North Korea's GDP will be 1,982 billion and its GDP per capita $70,000, in stark contrast to the 40 billion and 1,900 today. That would require a (correct me if I'm wrong) 4,955 percent growth rate for GDP (even higher if the figures for 2050 North Korea's GDP are nominal and not PPP). Even though the source is reliable, I found this extremely hard to believe. Snakespeaker (talk) 01:42, 19 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
It is also weird that the list of GDP per capita in 2050 does not show North Korea, but features several countries with less than $70.000. Also, the per capita income of South Korea is slightly different from that table to the list, but the difference is enough to change South Korea's position to first in the rank, instead of second. These two problems show that the projections are clearly from very different sources. 189.13.137.28 (talk) 01:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)Reply
The 2050 North Korea projections made in 2009 were made on the hypothetical assumption that Korean reunification occurs around 2010 and that North Korea immediately implements free-market reforms. Obviously neither of those things have happened yet. These projections weren't about how North Korea's economy will be in 2050, only what it could be with good leadership and free-market reforms. Also, North Korea is not a part of BRIC or the Next Eleven, which is why it is not mentioned in the main section of this article. And yes, the 2050 North Korea GDP is nominal, not PPP. Futurist110 (talk) 01:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)Reply
Whoever took the flags away, please put them back. The tables don't look very friendly without them. We need the flags back!!! 86.162.36.120 (talk) 13:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Accordingly to WP, icons should be avoided in infoboxes, so no we "don't need icons back". AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 10:48, 24 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
If there is an argument to be made, just look at any miltary operation , they've got flag icons, which helps the reader get a simpler understanding of who was involved in the conflict. (Think of it as a quick refernce guild) Jetijonez (talk) 16:14, 24 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Well if it's kill everyone here leave'em out. I'm just putting in my two cents. Icons / No Icons to the average reader, I doublt it would make a difference. Jetijonez (talk) 05:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Fry can you please discuss the removal here and Template:Current BRIC Leaders instead of warring Gnevin (talk) 22:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
I have no issue using {{flagicon}}, but the current state is better than using {{flagcountry}}.Curb Chain (talk) 07:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
Chafis has been doing the same thing to the G8 and G-20 major economies articles, too. As a result, he is making edit warring controversies there, too. Since this block was posted here, he has not returned to explain his actions. Rockies77 (talk) 00:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
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Can an admin please add this to the external links section. Thanks --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 04:32, 30 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
As a arguably helpful starting point, please consider the following, which was copied from an archived thread at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (flags):
- MITIGATING POTENTIAL PROBLEMS
In the evolving context of this BRICS article, if a flagicon-template were to be questioned in future, this thread may help expedite a process of constructive dispute resolution.
In a broader context, please review Talk:G8#Flags in table and Talk:G-20 major economies#Flags in table. Perhaps someone will have constructive comments to add? --Tenmei (talk) 22:10, 30 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
It is proposed: The {{flagicon}} should be restored in the tables only because the flags are useful for navigation.
John and SudoGhost think that this is not good. Whether or not we accept their opinion as consensus, this is constructive step in a process.
This poll has become part of the process which helps us to discover a consensus viewpoint which we can all accept. --Tenmei (talk) 16:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)Reply
I was asked a while ago by Tenmei to close this as an uninvolved party. It appears the consensus is not to use flagicons in the table. I am aware that some of the comments misunderstood the proposal, but the majority still appears to favour not adding the flags. Nightw 12:13, 26 May 2011 (UTC)Reply
BRIC is an acronym of a financial thesis created by Goldman Sachs' Jim O'Neil. BRIC countries have since then grouped in a political movement that now includes South Africa, named BRICS. This article should be dedicated exclusively to the financial thesis. BRICS article will talk about the political group, their treaties, accords, summits and whatever political stuff.
BRICS article was created by moving BRIC, which was not right. So I've added the last good version without South Africa. South Africa was "included" in the political group, not in the financial group that this article represents. AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 01:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)Reply
"Mexico and South Korea were the only other countries comparable to the BRICs, but their economies were excluded initially because they were considered more developed" :i live in mexico and i watch korean dramas and i see how korea is really developed,korea look like a high developed country,but i live in mexico and here the country have some nice places but most mexico look poor,i don't see mexico much more developed than the brics,is the true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.175.0.122 (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)Reply
The original article was about BRIC, the financial accronym and economical thesis created by Goldman Sach's Jim O'Neil. It contained all the financial information needed.
In April 13 2011 it was forked and moved to BRICS, starting a new article because this organization decided to include South Africa (that's why the "S" was added). This was wrong because BRIC and BRICS are completely different terms. BRIC is simply a term, while BRICS is a political organization on its own.
Now that BRICS was restored to BRIC and the article history has been recovered (yay!), we can start a real BRICS article. It doesn't have to repeat the same information, remember BRICS is a political organization.
I have restored the article as it was previous to the move. Please help to improve it and correct whatever is wrong. AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 17:12, 9 June 2011 (UTC)Reply
I think it's time to create a real article about the political organization BRICS. Now that the content fork has been resolved we can work together to create a new article about this. Please note that BRICS is a political organization, different from the Goldam Sachs accronym BRIC.
I believe the new article should have:
So what do you think? Please let me know what you think and help to create this new article. AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 19:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)Reply
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Why does this page continue to use the 2007 projections when Goldman Sachs released new 2011 BRIC and Next Eleven projections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futurist110 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)Reply
LOOK I apologize in advance for kicking this dead horse again, I realize it is getting mushy and is not resulting in anything, but... BRICS AND BRIC involve different financial institution's terms, fine but in the end 4/5 parts of BRICS should already have the same info in BRIC, should these two not be merged into BRIC(S) the S in brackets as often used to denote the new incumbent, this way we could latch the extra info on, even if you don't want to merge them per say, you could just have BRIC(S) as the page with a section at the bottom that talks about South Africa in a somewhat segregated (no offence intended in reference to the term segregation and south africa) part of the article that talks about why it's included, what financial institutes see as challenges and potential, etc. etc. etc., it seems inefficient to have two articles when a vast majority of the coverage is the same SandeepSinghToor (talk) 10:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
There are various outdated/false stats. For example, India's 2.3 Trillion$ GDP stands at no.7 as of 2015, not no.10. Brazil and Russia fall below. Per capita incomes arent right either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.246.245 (talk) 07:12, 1 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
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As a name of bloc of nations, the two terms are generally refering to one thing. The difference of the two terms can be explained in a few lines. Will.L.T. (talk) 09:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply