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The discussion of the Lubeck raids does not properly belong here, in my opinion. Does anybody object to it being removed? Hornplease 14:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
The articles attributes the term Baedeker raids to a propagandist Baron Gustav Braun von Sturm. I could not find any person with that name. There was a Gustaf Braun von Stumm at that time, and he did not seem to be a baron (avon in the name does not make you a baron). Apparently, he was an ambassador.
Since this is the person who almost coined the term, we need a source that is better than this hearsay. It is especially important to get information how the term spread in the English language.
By the way, large parts of the article are lifted from here -- Zz 16:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
There seems to have been a non-too-successful raid on Durham on 1 May 1942. But especially given the element of local myth, it would be helpful to have more citable evidence than a few web-sites e.g. http://www.ghostships.co.uk/the_north_east/history/echomemories/durham/404/171104.htmlorhttp://www.durhamcity.gov.uk/ViewDocument/937 84.92.241.186 15:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Willi Schludecker, 87, who flew more than 120 sorties for the Luftwaffe, including the Bath raids, has travelled to UK to make an apology in person during Bath's annual remembrance service on Friday April 25 2008. The ex-pilot paid his respects at the graves of locals killed in the raids and also visited bomb damage in the city at the Old Labour Exchange. Luftwaffe pilot sorry for bombing Is this noble gesture a first? Maybe a new section on re-evaluation would be appropriate? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)Reply
I agree - added this to the article. I don't think it is a "first" but I still think it is a note-worthy fact. Maybe we could cross-refer other gestures of remembrance & reconciliation (eg Dresden)? 87.86.252.34 (talk) 08:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
You very probably got that spelling wrong. There is evidence of a Braun von Stumm in the propaganda department of Germany's Foreign Office at thaat time - a rather minor figuree, by the way - but there is no Sturm in sight (even though the wrong spelling seems to dominate in the web.) Greeetings from Vienna. Robert Schediwy --86.33.64.63 (talk) 22:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC).Belated signature --Robert Schediwy (talk) 15:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)Reply
P.S.: I have meanwhile found confirmation of the previous misspelling. By the way: Google books mentions that Joseph Goebbels was quite unhappy with Braun's statements or the intepretation that could be given to them (Goebbels Diaries volume 4). It would be extremely interesting to find out what Braun von Stumm actually said.--86.33.64.63 (talk) 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)Reply
Reading it through, this article it seems to have missed the point. I notice the main source, as it stands, seems to be a book by AC Grayling, who AFAIK is a polemicist, not a military historian. So I’m guessing whatever he wrote was to make some kind of point, rather than to explain what was actually happening. I’m re-writing the article with reference to some more relevant sources. I trust that is OK with everyone. Xyl 54 (talk) 09:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
Interesting to compare the german and the english page on the subjetct. They lack in conformity. Zoola (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Since the article itself provides citation that the raids were known, in English and German, as the Baedeker Raids, why is the title of the article as it is? Surely a rename ks appropriate, with Baedeker Blitz (if there is any citation for it?) being the secondary title mentioned in the first sentence of the lead. MapReader (talk) 19:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Who is it that keeps objecting to my edit describing the Avro Manchester as ‘poor’ and the Avro Lancaster as ‘excellent?
Further, this person accuses me of vandalism, and offers threats to have my editing capabilities withdrawn.
My comment is not in any way inaccurate. Please justify the way you are behaving.
Exeter Cathedral was significantly damaged by a direct hit in the early hours of 4 May 1942. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.184.25 (talk) 16:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply