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There were two sections in the article that seemed to suggest that black and tans are not drunk in Ireland. This is incorrect. During the summer months stout drinkers often have a black and tan as an alternative to Guinness. Even tough hitorically the Black and Tans would have been considered in a very bad light, it is by no means offensive to order a black and tan in a pub.
I have never ever heard of a black and tan as a drink and I'm a 34-year-old Irishman, not unaccustomed to the inside of a pub, and neither has anyone I have asked.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.8.116 (talk) 00:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Reply
Also an Irishman in his 30s, resident in Dublin since 1995, pub-goer, beer blogger, and never known or seen anyone drink a Black and Tan, or a half-and-half. I have encountered Smithwick's with a Guinness head, but not since late last century. Vernacula (talk) 14:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)Reply
Bold textBlack and tan seems an interesting drink. That seems hard to make and a show-worthey drink. --Djjackson7 02:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)If it wasn't alchohac, i would have it. To bad it isn't. I think apple juice and gingerale on top would work. I will try it. Mabye I could make an interesting drink stall. It would be good for you with the allousion of beer. It seems like a good idea.Italic textIf it dosen't work, its to bad.Reply
The etymology is back-to-front; black-and-tan was first a dog, then a cocktail, then the RIC reserve. From the OED, under "black":
While the mixture may indeed be delicious, that is an opinion, something that doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia. And thus, I removed it.DannyBoy2k 19:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
It is delicious though. --qp4 00:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Reply
That is your opinion though!
They are delicious and i am pretty good at pourin em now and i like beers--E tac (talk) 10:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
Isn't there an alternate Irish name for this drink, to avoid connotation with British counterrevolutionary troops? brain 03:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Response to Alternative Irish Name: Sometimes it is called a Half and Half, but really, a Half and Half is when the two are poured in together at the same time, which is disgusting, or sometimes, people refer to a Guinness and Harp as a Half and Half. Generally though, the name of the drink preceeds the name of the paramilitary organization, and Black and Tan is a perfectly legit way to ask for the drink. Mike Murray 20:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
That's the witty thing about a black and tan... it's correctly made with the Guinness (Irish) and Bass (English), so you get a drink that's Irish on top, but deep down inside, it's English, which is how Irish Republicans would refer to the RIC, Irish on top... the uniform, the name, etc., but underneath it all, English.Cory (talk) 09:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
ASnakebite_(beer_cocktail) is not stout and cider, it's lager and cider. I fixed this, as well as fixing the attached snakebite link to point to the page on beer cocktails instead of a page about reptile venom. Coincidentally, said page on beer cocktails also points out that referring to a stout/cider mixture as a snakebite is incorrect. Garyfoster 15:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
Eesh. This section needs cleaned up badly. To many silly little regional variations, and redundant names (two different kinds of "Black Christmas" for example)Lucashoal (talk) 18:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
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This implies that the Black and Tans served before Guinness started serving nitro-keg Guinness in 1961 were layered. Were they? If this statement were true, it would seem to imply that you could make a Black and Tan with stout dispensed with CO2 alone, yet this article acknowledges that the 'draught' (aka nitro-keg) product is required. Also it is wrong to say "partly carbonated" with nitrogen. Dforest (talk) 07:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
As a chemist I can debunk it simply by saying that the solubility of nitrogen in water (and presumably beer) is so low that it wouldn't affect the density to begin with. EagleFalconn (talk) 04:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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When I was in college, the common way to prepare one of these was to fill a shot glass with the light beer, then while holding the shot in one hand, place the larger glass upside-down over the shot, and then flip them both over, so the shot ends up upside-down inside the larger glass. You then fill the rest of the glass with the dark to finish it. The light beer then slowly seeps out from the shot glass to produce the layered effect. I don't know how common this practice is, but everybody I knew at school used that method. Is it worth a mention? I don't know any official source for this other than personal experience. Lurlock (talk) 21:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)Reply
Why should these American companies care what Irish people think about the name of their product? The entry on this point is biased and should be more balanced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.121.118 (talk) 00:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
"In Ireland, the name of the drink is believed to be a reference to the mis-matched and dirty uniforms of the freedom fighters of western Ireland of the 19th century. When stout was limited, the soldiers would cut it with lager. It is typically made by floating a half pint of Guinness or Murphy's stout atop a half pint of Harp or other Irish lager in a fluted or straight-sided pint glass."
This is mainly nonsense. The reference was to the black and tan of the RIC volunteers. Lager was VERY rare in Ireland until the latter part of the 20th Century, and probably correspondingly MUCH more expensive than stout. Harp lager did not exist before 1960. Plingsby (talk) 10:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
The 'Variations' section has been tagged as unref'd since July, and the content in that state for considerably longer. I'll allow a short time for references to be provided, but intend removing any and all claims not backed up by reliable sources. Original research is a no-no. RashersTierney (talk) 11:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
I integrated the controversy section into the history section because I felt that it was compromising the neutrality of the article and giving undue weight to the situations discussed in it. Happy to discuss my reasoning further if other editors have questions. 60clawsand20paws (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
When I was studying at a Scottish educational establishment in the 80s, a "black and tan" was just a bottle of stout poured into a pint and topped up with ale and thus mixed rather than layered. GraemeLeggett (talk) 17:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
The result of the move request was: Moved as requested Mike Cline (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
Black and Tan → Black and tan – "Black and tan" is not a proper noun in this context and does not need capitals. I'm assuming they're there because of the false belief that the drink's name derives from the Black and Tans; in actual fact, it predates the formation of the RIC Reserves by at least forty years, and simply refers to the contrasting colours of stout and ale. Zacwill (talk) 17:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 19:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
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