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The question of whether computer games are art is an interesting question if one wants to understand the place of computer games within the broader cultural context. It is not a very interesting question in terms of understanding the meaning of art. The section certainly does not establish notability in terms of this discussion constituting a significant classificatory dispute about art. I do not believe that it is, and I don't think this section belongs on the page.
Whether role playing games are art is a not especially interesting question as regards role playing games. In terms of a definition of art, it is utterly irrelevant. While the paragraph does cite two writers in favour of such games being classified as art, and one against, this is insufficient to establish that this constitutes a notable classificatory dispute about art. Surely notability would require someone to at least be writing about the dispute.
Role playing games are certainly not the subject of a notable classificatory dispute about art. I have removed the paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.46.75 (talk) 08:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)Reply
At the moment I like "Film critic Roger Ebert, for example, has gone on record claiming that video games are not art, and for structural reasons will always be inferior to cinema" but I think that the argument of Kojima should be integrated, as well as Crawford and Klosterman. My first language isn't English, which may or not be the reason, but while I don't generally have difficulty writing in English, but I had a hard time trying to give a brief idea of Kojima's thoughts.
Keep up the work, it looks great. --A Sunshade Lust 19:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)Reply
Tyrenius-- I will concede that the sentence is nicer with the change you made. But it doesn't as well illustrate the possibilities of "classificatory disputes about art." Bus stop 18:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
I agree with everything you've said. And I don't think there is any difference between our two versions. But I like it the way it is because it addresses the subject of the article. It raises the possibility that a critic could not consider a painting of Picasso to be art. Bus stop 19:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yes, it is misleading, but it is only misleading about something that is not the subject of the article. It is not misleading about the subject of the article. It points out the subject of the article at work, in a hypothetical instance, though that instance does not in fact reflect reality. Bus stop 19:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
Maybe you're right. Bus stop 19:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yes, you are right. Bus stop 21:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
I can't claim much knowledge about how Wikipedia is produced. However, citing Britannica Online seems incorrect. It is certainly disconcerting to see another secondary source, while hoping to read an informative article.
Definitions of art
Britannica Online defines it as "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others"[1]. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.99.15.168 (talk) 23:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC).Reply
- ar- To fit together. 1. Suffixed form ar-mo-. a. ARM, from Old English earm, arm b. ARMY, ...
- 2. Suffixed form ar-smo-. HARMONY, from Greek harmos, joint, shoulder
- 3. Suffixed form ar-ti-. a. ART, ARTISAN, ARTIST, etc., from Latin ars (stem art-), art, skill craft; b. further suffixed form ar-ti-o-. ARTIODACTYL, from Greek artios, fitting, even. ...
The examples currently listed in this section are not noteworthy in art historical terms. These stories gained some notoriety within the UK in the late 90s until the present time due to Britain's right wing tabloid media, which also tends to retain a philistine attitude to contemporary art. To state those arguments here is to give them unfair credence and to slant the article in a very British direction. None of the artworks mentioned in this list is disputed in terms of their status as art. The only serious, credible issue has been whether they are art historically significant. Zeneka 18:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
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