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Please find an independent source on the group being non-violent. I've left in the reference to non-violence in their "Stated Principles" section because it is sourced, but if you want to include that they are in fact non-violent their manifesto is not adequate as a source. 213.233.150.35 (talk) 01:18, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
Blocking someone's access is violent.204.9.220.42 (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Forcing their will onto others is coercion which is a form of violence. They can argue it's "justified" violence but non-violence is a lie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2403:5816:A833:1:A965:D129:8D4C:CDF7 (talk) 15:32, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hello. The three aims of the movement are stated twice in the 'manifesto' section. I offer to correct that. Let me know if you have any comments.
Ms Theresa Marty (talk) 12:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC).Reply
In certain circumstances the normally preferred sources for an wikipedia aticle are not necessarily the best.
Mainstream media reports of new or emerging social movements tend to be very light on detail, many are clearly not written by reporters at the event, some are reports compiled of a trawl through social media sites for information, as such the media aticles are sometimes the more biased and skewed reports.
Some primary sources can be regarded as reliable, verifiable and neutral.
From Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources WP:IRS
"Wikipedia articles are required to present a neutral point of view. However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject.
Common sources of bias include political, financial, religious, philosophical, or other beliefs. Although a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context."
Although coming from a primary source connected with the group Extinction Rebellion/XR, the nearly four hour long livestream of the "Declaration of Rebellion" assembly on 31oct is an unbroken video without commentary allowing the events of that day to be viewed from an impartial point of view and facts to be checked especially if referenced with time footnotes (ftn). Currently this article is missing some citations related to this event.
In short I believe that the quality of this article can be improved by the use of selective social media and be more accurate whilst maintaining a neutral point of view.
This is a fast emerging movement that is rapidly changing and media/public interest is growing - pageviews are up from 731 to 1,187 to 1,529 yesterday - I hope our wikipedia article reflects an accurate and balanced summary of events so far.BorisAndDoris (talk) 11:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)Reply
BorisAndDoris, it is acceptable to "revert edits without raising the issue on the talk page first" that I believe to be misguided, as per WP:BEBOLD. If my reversions are themselves reverted then I will take it to the talk page. The Guradian uses 'Swarming' in quotes to indicate this is what only the group themselves are calling it, and the Sky News headline does not mention it, as you claim in saying "mentioned in the headline of two national news reports", its headline is "'Rebellion Day' activists plan to block five London bridges". We should steer clear of naming things by the new names invented by organisations or by movements and instead see whether they are merely new names for existing practices. Let time and the eventual analysis by reliable sources be the judge of whether something is actually novel and a new name appropriate. This article deserves to have editorial rigour. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2018 (UTC)Reply
BorisAndDoris, we do not need to explicitly replicate the subject's web site. Wikipedia is not intended to be such a direct representation, but a summary of the facts. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:07, 27 November 2018 (UTC)Reply
Here are some references that could potentially be worked into the article.[1][2][3] With best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 13:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
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100 people and top academics around the world signing letters did not come out of no-where. XR can be traced back to https://web.archive.org/web/20151015172755/https://compassionate-revolution.net/ and this Compassionate Revolution Ltd. is a company that then has Rising Up! and Extinction Rebellion derived from it. Wayback machine has it appearing in 2015. The campaign of Extinction Rebellion began in the planning in 2018, in the Spring. BUT even looking in 2015 there were people thinking about ecological politics involved from the start. Many of the figures involved were activists long before Occupy emerged around 2011. IN fact some can trace their direct action to the Reclaim the Streets! of the 1990s. How tenuous this chain is or how much this influenced the modern XR is not easy to say. There are probably not sources that say this to wikipedia standards. Rather looking at the key individuals and their histories would be a better way of assessing this. However a lot were not activists and not involved in any groups or gatherings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.7.24 (talk) 18:24, 11 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
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Housekeeping note: This discussion started when RogerGLewis added this paragraph to this article, and also to Greta Thunberg. Identical threads were started at both pages, and once I asked, per MULTI, Roger has decided to consolidate discussion at this talk page. I am taking liberty to reformat the proposed text Roger wants to add. I have not changed any of Rogers own words. My goal in refactoring/reformatting is to help make a comprehensible discussion. For the record, I think neutral "criticism" sections would be appropriate, the challenge is in finding acceptable RSs and presenting them fairly with regard to UNDUE WEIGHT and WP:Biographies of living people. Anyway, the text Roger originally added to both article reads as follows NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
Greta Thonberg responded [1] to concerns of corporate capture of her message which has been expressed by the Wrong Kind of Green [2], an Indigenous peoples environmental group. [3] "We attempt to expose those who undermine the People’s Agreement. One role of the non-profit industrial complex is to undermine, marginalize and make irrelevant, the People’s Agreement. The reason being, to protect corporate interests by which they are funded. As well, the non-profit industrial complex protects the industrialized, capitalist economic system, responsible for the capitalist destruction of our shared environment. Those groups who continue to protect such interests must be considered complicit in crimes against humanity.RogerGLewis (talk) 19:16, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
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"useful idiots. gatekeepers... (who) populate the fourth estate". Please see WP:No personal attacks.
Thornberg responded to criticism of being a hired activist by resigning from the organisation we do not have time Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)., which was accused of profiting from Greta's celebrity.[1][2][3]
" Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non-profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start-up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology." [4] RogerGLewis (talk) 05:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
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This may have been a problem which puzzled philosophers for eons, but now it a practical problem here as XR becomes more prolific, organising simultaneous events across the world:
I have been trying to find a free image of the pink boat that can be used in the article as it seems to have been the iconic picture of the rebellion so far. If anyone has any ideas where I could search for a wikipedia usable image I'd be very grateful. BorisAndDoris (talk) 12:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
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XR should be bold 219.79.97.212 (talk) 12:57, 20 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
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The Controversies section needs to be much more extensive.
There is a serious concern about the corporate sponsorship through companies like Huawei and STRATFOR which the leadership tries to conceal in order to appear as a grassroots non-affiliated movement. See https://nowhere.news/index.php/2019/04/01/astroturfing-the-way-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/
There are also serious concerns about the willingness of the organizers to work with the police, especially coming from Anarchists who constitute a large part of the organization. They allowed immigration checks to happen on the occupied marble arch camp, and requested their members to sign a public google docs confession form declaring they're willing to be arrested.
They did not provide adequate support for arrestees or proper explanation for the arrest process, nor did they give out arrest cards which are standard in this kind of protests in London. They did not even inform members they must answer no-comment to any questions until they have a lawyer, again, this is standard in similar UK actions, and there is a sentiment that the leadership treats members as cannon fodder with little to no regards to the harm it might cause some people in the long run.
109.231.195.125 (talk) 13:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Here is a more reliable source of critique, coming from Organize! by the Anarchist Federation: http://organisemagazine.org.uk/2019/04/24/careful-comrade-your-class-is-showing-xr-has-some-problems/
It's split into sections,and I appreciate it can be time consuming to asses but it's important to include some of these critiques in this article.
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The source is pretty clear that the boat was impounded on Friday, which would be 19 April. - 170.55.36.237 (talk) 11:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Police partially cleared the Oxford Circus site, including removing the boat, whilst activists still occupied the road.{{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 16:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Wat? No source (the referenced Guardian article makes no mention of May). So, can someone please be bothered to edit this in a sensible way? --jae (talk) 05:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
Added and linked Policy Exchange Report, and confirmed verbally with Simon Bramwell.FionaWeir1 (talk) 13:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
This article reads like an uncritical puff of the movement. 86.134.105.87 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:52, 19 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
I am surprised that wikipedia can allow such a biased treatment if the movement. 2A02:A03F:64B5:FF00:9D46:BA42:F610:1550 (talk) 07:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
"American philosopher and animal rights advocate Gary L. Francione criticised the movement for refusing to promote veganism as a solution to climate change, and for adopting the "personal/political" distinction [clarification needed] which he says "every progressive movement for the past 50 years has rejected because common sense tells us that you cannot ignore the role of the individual in creating and perpetuating social problems".[123]"
This should be removed for not clarifying. It makes no sense whatsoever, especially since "personal/political distinction" is not defined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.25.119 (talk) 22:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Roger Hallam which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 21:33, 30 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
I have moved the actions section from this article to a new Timeline of Extinction Rebellion actions article because it was growing unwieldy and overly detailed. I have summarised those actions in this article's actions section. (I should have ideally instead made the edits in two parts rather than one, removing the content in the first edit and then adding the summary in the second, so as to make it easier to follow.) -Lopifalko (talk) 19:04, 8 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
Flying drones to disrupt airports was proposed, discussed and decisesively rejected by the XR membership. Heathrow Pause is not part of Extinction Rebellion and should not be redirected here.Charles (talk) 19:27, 14 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
This movement is designated as "non-political." Given the expansive nature of what is political, at least currently, is that designation accurate? 97.116.87.218 (talk) 16:34, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
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Please change the main description: is an environmental pressure group with the stated aim of using civil disobedience to compel government action on climate breakdown, biodiversity loss, and the risk of social and ecological collapse.[1][3][4] To: is an anarchist movement attempting to change the 'toxic system' of western society and government through disruption and civil disobedience most recently centred around a climate emergency. Stuart Basden - Extinction Rebellion isn’t about the Climate Racitup (talk) 23:36, 13 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
I'm not really going to enter into editing this article, but I think editors might like to give a bit more coverage to XR's common practice of disrupting public transport. Of course, mentioning the blatant contradiction of blocking environmentally friendly transport systems to protest about the environment would violate WP:NPOV, so the reader must be left to draw their own conclusions. But here are a couple of cite-worthy examples:
Make of that what you will. Cnbrb (talk) 10:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I don't feel like it's my places to edit the article as I feel like its got a group of dedicated writers for XR. I feel like the article would benefit from a section labelled "structure and organisation". Rolling in details about liberation groups (Youth XR, BAME, women's, disabled etc.), geographic divisions, organisation of the group and membership. Single-issue groups would belong on the separate article
Hello. In the article section "Stated aims and principles", I suggest to add the following picture just below the green placard of XR. It illustrates the 10 principles and values of the movement. What do you think? Could someone do that? Thanks in advance. 144.85.230.16 (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2019 (UTC).Reply
PS: It would be nice if the only article image on the left would be aligned on the right (as other illustrations). Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.85.230.16 (talk) 22:33, 19 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
I do not dispute that as an organisation they profess non violence and there is only one major example of an individual being violent (understandably). However I think it is wrong that in the lead we state that they are a non violent organisation based on a couple of passing comments in sources as opposed to listing non violence as one of their methods of achieving their aims sourced to their own statement. It is also dubious to state that an organisation which encourages and promotes criminal damage to corporate entities is non violent - certainly it does not agree with our article on nonviolence here on wiki. So although I am quite happy for non violent to remain in the sentence it should be in the latter part as "with the stated aim of using nonviolent civil disobedience to compel government action to avoid tipping points in the climate system, biodiversity loss, and the risk of social and ecological collapse." Lyndaship (talk) 13:14, 20 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
The article needs updating. They targeted election campaign buses including an electric bus by the Liberal Democratics. https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/1204/1096984-uk-politics-election/
Here's a new initiative worth looking out for, just beginning to make the first news stories: Mobilize Earth.
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Change the caption of the red brigade: Red Brigade protesters near the "New York Stock Exchange" 219.79.96.60 (talk) 16:45, 21 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
This is a few months old[4] but at least is official. Doug Weller talk 10:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
There were more protests in 2020. Can they be included in this article? The article talks about 2019 and earlier.103.246.36.31 (talk) 07:02, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Both the lead and the History section say that "Extinction Rebellion was officially established in the United Kingdom in May 2018" and "launched" at the end of October 2018. There is no difference between "officially established" and "launched", so both cannot be true. All of the five refs give October as the launch date as October; none of them even mention May. The Elle article says that it "began" in April 2018 when a group of activists me at Gail Bradbrook's house to draw up plans. I'm going to change to that in the History section, but leave it out of the lead, because it's not significant enough for there. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:15EA:DEF1:1414:82EE (talk) 12:02, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Clyde!Franklin! 18:07, 8 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Extinction Rebellion → Extinction Rebellion UK – Can I propose that the title be renamed to specifically focus on Extinction Rebellion UK. At present this does seem to be the de-facto focus of the article, entirely built around the UK "wing"/branch of the organisation and not specifically focused on the main global group name and aims. This distinction is likely to become more of an issue as the UK arm have now, at least for the moment, sworn off of "disruption" as the main tactic unlike XR in other countries which may be hard to explain unless this distinction between global and Extinction Rebellion UK is implemented. Apache287 (talk) 17:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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change "Extinction Rebellion (abbreviated as XR) is a UK-headquartered global environmental movement," to "Extinction Rebellion (abbreviated as XR) is a decentralized global environmental movement," Esd 359 (talk) 14:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Change the pages source to include "Category:Climate change organisations based in the United Kingdom" in square brackets at the end of the page as this is a climate organisation based in the UK Space Cadet Gone Rogue (talk) 19:54, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Nikkimaria: just rolled back the following Daily Mail citation that I had previously added regarding the HSBC bank protest:[1]
I do not think that removal was appropriate. I acknowledge that the Daily Mail offers generally poor quality journalism. But two facts stand out in the case. First, court reporting in the United Kingdom is tightly regulated and those provisions apply to the material in question. And second, the article was informative, very well illustrated, contained a number of interesting quotations from the activists, and I saw nothing that contradicted my understanding of events. The photographs were credited to Reuters news agency.
I therefore ask that this citation be reinstated. And if not, then some explanation offered specific to these circumstances be provided. Both actions would seem appropriate. But conversely, an apparently blanket condemnation of Daily Mail reporting is surely counterproductive. And at odds with the ethos of Wikipedia too?
Thanks. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply