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Hi again! As indicated in the above exchange with Quetstar, I have been invited to resubmit this edit request, for which I have a conflict of interest. I've used bold text to mark new text and strikethrough to mark removed text. For convenience's sake, here are my requests (same as before, minus item D):
A. Please revise the following sentence as marked: "He structured his company using a direct-selling, multi-level marketing model.[citation needed][1]
[that new citation describes a direct sales strategy that differs from multi-level marketing]
B. Please revise the next grouping of text as follows: "In 1982, Herbalife received complaints from the Food and Drug Administration for claims made about certain products and the inclusion of mandrake, poke root, and 'food grade' linseed oil in another. In 1984, the Department of Justice of Canada filed criminal charges against the company for misleading medical claims in advertisements. As a result of the complaints, the company modified its product claims and reformulated the product.[21] The Department of Justice of Canada filed criminal charges against the company in November 1984 for misleading medical claims in advertisements.
Please replace that removed citation with [2]. This reorganization of text should add context to the company's actions as a result of the complaints.
C. After the sentence "The company suffered as a result of the lawsuit and was forced to lay off nearly 800 employees by May 1985," please revise the following to be: The company settled the suit for $850,000 without admitting wrongdoing. That same year, the FDA ended a safety and labeling review that Herbalife volunteered to undergo. The agency stated that two of its products would be considered drugs, though they posed no safety concerns. Herbalife voluntarily agreed to discontinue , but discontinued the sale of the two products.26
Please replace citation 26 with this citation: [3]
Thank you so much for your help!
deferred to decisions to other editors[sic], giving the impression that they were not sure what to do. The reality is that they refused your edit request, gave clear reasons why they did so, and decided to drop off the discussion because they were tired of you. (Quetstar, please correct me if I misunderstood your actions.) The fact that you are paid to edit this article, and Quetstar is not, is a clear reason for why they are less interested than you in pursuing it any further.
(...) Herbalife International, a nutritional supplement company that has been controversial for both its products and sales methods (...), which if anything weakly supports that Herbalife is an MLM).
In response to a Canadian threat to ban Thermojetics, the company agreed to reformulate the product. Hence, I moved that part to after the Canadian lawsuit, but still within a Canada-only paragraph (to not make it seem as if the FDA action had anything to do with it, which is not supported by the source).
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The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that 'Herbalife' is the common name. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 16:24, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Herbalife Nutrition → Herbalife – WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. The article was apparently moved in early 2018 (without discussion) to the longer name by someone who has not made any further edits since that day, citing an article saying the company had changed its name. However, Wikipedia does not always use official company names, and any cursory review of material written about the company and its products will show that it is more commonly referred to by the shorter name. It may also be worth noting that the company's web domain name herbalife.com does not include the second word, that the logo that includes the second word de-emphasizes it by using a different color for it, that brand logos that do not include the second word remain in current use by the company, and that the official company name appearing in various places on the website is actually "Herbalife International, Inc." (with a U.S. subsidiary called "Herbalife International of America, Inc.", neither of which include "Nutrition"). Photo searches for "Herbalife headquarters building" or "Herbalife products" shows that the second word is often absent on branded material. A search on Amazon.com for "Herbalife" reveals that the second word is more often absent than not on the product packaging. — BarrelProof (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
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Hi again! I would like to request a few changes to this page. Could we please:
A. Add a new section above the Sports sponsorships section titled: Foundation
B. Under this new section add the following sentence: The Herbalife Nutrition Foundation was founded in 2005, and is Herbalife's global philanthropic organization, supporting children's charities, disaster relief, and COVID-19. [1] [2]
c. Add this sentence to the end of the Sports sponsorships section: In August 2022, Herbalife announced their renewal of their sponsorship with LA Galaxy.[3]
Thank you so much for your help!
Finncomms8495 (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
The section with the heading "Liver disease inquiries" mostly talks about Liver Damage and Liver Failure caused by ingesting hepatotoxic Herbalife products. Perhaps the heading should be reconsidered? Changing the heading will break links, so I did not touch it. Turk185 (talk) 17:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Making a case for consensus by editors:
Review 1: "...Herbalife, is a global multi-level marketing (MLM) corporation that develops and sells dietary supplements."
Note: Only mentioning dietary supplements to describe the primary business is inaccurate. The company sells a wide range of products, and the majority are meal replacements (meal replacements are a different category from supplements, and are known as food formula) (https://inspection.canada.ca/food-labels/labelling/industry/foods-for-special-dietary-use/eng/1393627685223/1393637610720?chap=16#s29c16). Based on its website, the company also sells significant amount of "protein shakes, teas, aloes, high-protein snacks, vitamins and supplements, sports nutrition, and outer nutrition products."
Also, it is not accurate to start off by claiming that it is a MLM corporation. More accurately, it is a "global nutrition company" - the official position of the company and actual description of primary business. MLM is just an operational model not a business activity description. For an example case for consistency, refer to Natura article Natura & Co - Wikipedia. The article's introduction: "Natura & Co is a Brazilian global personal care cosmetics group headquartered in São Paulo." Factually, Natura is a large cosmetics company that uses a direct selling model - according to its website. In the US, the industry term is Direct Selling, e.g. Direct Selling Association. Similarly, Herbalife considers itself a global nutrition company, and operates through a direct selling model through independent distributors - according to its website. Natura is also labelled as 'direct selling' in the Wikipedia article. Considering these factors, an update to the business description is needed for consistent article quality and standards.
Review 2: "The company has been criticized for allegedly operating a "sophisticated pyramid scam".
Note: The use of 'scam' is an unfounded allegation by the author. For accuracy, this point should be made clear that the allegation of pyramid scheme was made by Ackman specifically (actual words as cited), which remained unproven. Also, mentioning the location of where this alleged scheme by Ackman happened is important, specific to the US, as the company's business is regulated in more than 90 countries worldwide. Separately, the US FTC case cited here is about alleged misleading claims of potential earnings in the US specifically, and not about pyramid scheme. For the US FTC case, Herbalife settled with the US FTC and agreed to pay $200 million to compensate consumers and fundamentally restructure its business. Herbalife Refunds | Federal Trade Commission (ftc.gov)
Review 3: "The products sold by Herbalife can cause acute hepatitis."
Note: This is a claim / allegation, and should be clear who are the parties making the claim and for what specific products, and only after causality has been found in the same study. Also, the cited article or study is from 2007, almost two decades ago, which could have later either been found to be untrue or to be due to unclear confounding reasons such as overuse of herbal ingredients not in accordance to label instructions, or other reasons including potential new allegations. This sentence should either be removed, OR cite the specific year, product and country alleged, OR updated and cite more recent articles for a fair and current view.
Review 4: "Herbalife agreed to "fundamentally restructure" its business in the United States, and pay a $200 million fine as part of a 2016 settlement with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC) following these accusations."
Note: Due to the use of 'following these accusations' the location of this paragraph appears abrupt and disconnected from the rest of the introduction contents.
Review 5: "However, neither a 2005 American Association for the Study of the Liver position paper on the management of acute liver failure nor a 2013 review in the New England Journal of Medicine lists "overzealous dieting" among the recognized causes of acute liver failure."
Note: This sentence appears to be an author's supplementary personal opinion and should be removed, as it does not cite relevant or reputable criticism of the AESAN conclusion. The AESAN conclusion: "The analyses ... have not allowed us to establish a causal relationship between liver anomalies and Herbalife's dietary supplements. The panel attributed the cases to metabolic changes from overzealous and unsupervised dieting."
Review 6: "Interestingly, race, genetics, age, and sex are all potential risk factors that may predispose individuals to Herbalife side effects."
Note: This sentence cites a personal blog opinion and needs to be removed based on guidelines: reputable sources only.
Review 7: "In a separate review published less than a year earlier, the same author described the relationship between Herbalife products and reported hepatotoxicity cases as "highly probable"."
Note: This statement is misleading due to an overly-generalized use of the term 'Herbalife products'. The cited study was describing potential hepatoxicity of herbs and herbal products. It identified a probable causal relationship between herbal hepatoxicity and liver injury cases originating from various sources, such as Chinese herbs, green tea, ayurvedic herbs, a few Herbalife products, and various other herbs. The few Herbalife products identified contained herbal ingredients. The statement should be removed OR edited to highlight the herbal contents of the specific few products for accuracy and for a fair and balanced view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.187.229.74 (talk • contribs)
:For someone who seems mad about bias, you seem to add a lot of biased content in your edits: " I have stricken the above comment I myself made, as an understanding was reached. Professor Penguino (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
In a response, Herbalife challenged the paper's validity, citing deficiencies, inappropriate methodologies and incomplete investigative protocols, supported by analysis from three independent international labs that contradicted the article's findings
." The article you cited mentions legal pressure from Herbalife, it does not disprove what is stated in the paper.
What happened here?? If you want other editors to comment, you should respect other editor's time by making brief, actionable suggestions. As it is, this discussion has been formatted in a way that makes it extremely difficult to even tell who is proposing what. Grouping many changes of varying quality into one monster proposal means that by default, the answer is going to be "no". I would also emphasize the article's WP:COI concerns, as it strains credulity to ignore this issue. Grayfell (talk) 01:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Herbalife is a very big scam.people are loot by fake wellness coach.Please Donot play with people's hard working Money. 2409:40E2:F:AAC6:18CE:41FF:FE49:DEB8 (talk) 02:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply