Talk:Horse meat

Ireland is not mentioned in the article despite the country being a major producer of horsemeat. The BBC reported on 15 March that the the number of horses produced for the racing indusrty had increased 40 percent in the boom years 2000 to 2007. However, the economic crisis has forced major cutbacks in racing stables and the number of abbatoirs in the country had increased from one to five since 2008. Most horse meat is exported to the Continent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldasiahand (talk • contribs) 21:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

I found a source for horse meat production in Ireland from 2012-2018 and put it in the Horse slaughter article. Normal Op (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

From reverted entry of mine:

• 'Because this they are not usually^[vague]bred or raised specifically for their meat': (eh, fixed this with EU doc.)

Meat breeds exist.(minor industry.)

• 'Almost all equine medications and treatments are labeled as being not intended for human consumption.^[1][2][3][4]In the European Union, horses intended for slaughter cannot be treated with many medications commonly used for U.S. horses.^{[citation needed]} For horses going to slaughter, no period of withdrawal, the time between administration of the drug and the time they are butchered, is required.^{[citation needed]}'

Included sources. (I really want know citation for that claim in last sentence, as country-level, they exist.)

• 'In EU, however, the same preparation is not considered to have any such effect, and edibility of the horse meat is not affected.^[5]'

EU policy of MRL

• 'Even famous horses may end up in the slaughterhouse; the 1986 Kentucky Derby winner and 1987 Eclipse Award for Horse of the Year winner, Ferdinand, is believed to have been slaughtered in Japan, probably for pet food.^[6]'

One horse has been used to create kneejerk-effect against Japanese practical use of horses. PETA is especially shameless with this.

• • I favor adding sources where there are none. But I have said many times, please cite things properly (at least, learn to use the space bar) That said, we don't need a citation in the middle of the sentence where the material is cited at the end. We also don't need to tag every claim. The Ferdinand situation, however, was extremely notable and triggered a major movement in the United States to repatriate aged famous racehorses from Japan. What is deemed practical in one nation may be deemed immoral in another (some cultures eat dogs and cats, others think it is near-cannibalism), and it is important to stay NPOV on these matters, neither whitewashing them nor creating a list of horribles. The article needs improvement, but we need to improve it, not just replace content that is iffy in one direction with content that is equally iffy in the other. Montanabw^(talk)

eh, oops

• And what comes to my citations..

• 'When the Nordic countries were Christianized, eating horse meat was regarded as a sign of paganism and prohibited. A reluctance to eat horse meat is still common in these countries even today.'

I live in 'Nordic country'. I haven't never herd about this, but for most people the reclutance is same as in anglophones and the possibility of withdrawal time not being expired so peole aren't sure what they are really eating.

'and EU law^[1]) ' yes, Britain is not only with law. EU is not lawless.

• 'Even famous horses may end up in the slaughterhouse; the 1986 Kentucky Derby winner and 1987 Eclipse Award for Horse of the Year winner, Ferdinand, is believed to have been slaughtered in Japan, probably for pet food.^[2]'

This horse should be, IMHO, reduced to sad footnote in horse racing's history instead being brought up again and again to serve PETA's purpose in kneejerk-reactions and possible anti-Japanese sentiments/cultural bias only because cultural differences. (Problem is that PETA doesn't give up on this issue.)

• 'A misconception exists that horses are commonly slaughtered for pet food, however. In many countries, like the United States, horse meat was outlawed in pet food in the 1970s. ^{[citation needed]}'

I really want know source for this.

• 'American horse meat is considered a delicacy in Europe and Japan, and its cost is in line with veal,^[3]'

Why revert my edit with more dated source. Statistics of French horse industry don't apply to Japan.

• For horses going to slaughter, no period of withdrawal, the time between administration of the drug and the time they are butchered, is required.{citation needed|date=September 2016}}

Sorry, at least Finland has these rules regarding 6 months slaughter ban/total slaughter ban.(Yes, some of us eat horse meat.)

• French actress and animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot has spent years crusading against the eating of horse meat.^{[citation needed]}

Bad wording?

Please don't go into slippery slope of 'cats and dogs'-card. NPOV is NPOV, but there is no need to do that.※〶 21:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

※〶 21:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

 * A number of these issues are still present in the article. Normal Op (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

I think there would be more information about consumption of horses after pre-mechanization battles, either by troops or by battlefield scavengers. A crap-ton of horses surely died on the field, and those that were even lightly injured were almost certainly just euthanized. I'm guessing they wouldn't have let all that animal protein (and skin, bones, etc) just go to waste. Are there any sources that detail how it happened, or else why it did not happen? --DsouzaSohan (talk) 17:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

"The culturally close people of Sweden still have an ambivalent attitude to horse meat, said to stem from this[clarification needed] edict."

Very dubious speculation/claim, needs source. Bardum (talk) 23:33, 21 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

That assertion appeared in this 2007 edit. No supporting source was cited, and the assertion appears to be the impression of the person who authored it. I wouldn't have put it this way, but I see [1], which is cited in the article, and some quick googling turned up [2],[3], [4], [5],[6]; I suspect there are other relevant sources out there. It looks to me as if this ought to be rewritten with a supporting cite. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:10, 22 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

I just gave a "good going over" to the article. Rearranged the sections, fixed some citations, moved the hatnotes/tags/flags down to the countries section, etc. I have read all the threads on this Talk page, checked them for completion, and archived all the old ones. There are four threads left from the original 40 threads. The predominant problem remaining in the article is the long string of cultural/country sections without any citations. I'd hate to lose them because they are informational, but I'm jaded after the work I did and would appreciate some help finding citations for these countries and their culinary cultures of eating horse meat. Normal Op (talk)

This is a WP:BRD discussion.

• @Deourmju: made this WP:BOLD edit to the intro to the Around the world section, removing mention of South America.
• I reverted that here. saying Argentina and Chile are covered in the article body.
• I did that based on no research beyond a glance at the article.
• That was unrevrted here, saying The article clearly says they export it, but don’t eat it, not part of their traditions.
• That is the current state of the article regarding this.

I have two points to make re this:

1. The Around the world section of the Horse meat article probably ought to include information about production for export as well as information about consumption.

2. I did some online research and found this July 5, 2010 article titled Eating Chilean Horse Meat that has a section titled Horse meat in Chile today and some apparently relevant photos. I don't want to get into a discussion about the reliability of the author or publisher of that article, but I note that is apparently part of a series titled Eating Chilean which is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. My quick online research did not turn up similar information re Argentina. There may or may not be other sources out there re horse meat in South American countries.

I don't have a strong POV on this; I just happened to see the edit which began this in passing. I just mention it here for possible discussion by regular editors of this article. I don't anticipate commenting further myself, though I might. Cheers, Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Some proportion of people eats something almost everywhere, for instance you could find insect consumption in Europe. However, you need more than a small proportion to say that it is "culinary tradition". I do not think we have sources establish horse meat as a culinary tradition (as opposed to manufacture) in South America.--Mvqr (talk) 10:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

The article seems to contain contradictory statements about USA. The section Production states that USA is one of the ten largest producers of horse meat, while the section United States states that the production has been outlawed since 2007. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 19:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

The Production section, citing The Alberta Horse Welfare Report, indicates that Mexico was the 2nd biggest horse meat-consuming country in 2005. The Mexico section says "it is not used or consumed in Mexico". Nurg (talk) 08:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

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The article claims that horse meat is eaten by primarily English Canadian despite later claiming it's taboo among anglos. Horse meat is famously a French delicacy. 174.91.159.49 (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Australia: a bunch of WP:NEWS-like minor notions. Needs shortening.

Mongolia and Kazakhstan, on the other hand, are... under-represented despite being really into eating horses. Needs some detailed recipes. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 13:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply