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I remember reading a story on serious problems regarding the C130J, along with its undeserved likeability in Congress, due to the amount of jobs it creates, or something like that. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? --24.118.77.253 17:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-130j.htm near the bottom. "The Pentagon's inspector general in a 34-page report [dated 23 July 2004] that substantiated the allegation that the C-130J aircraft does not meet contract specifications and therefore cannot perform its operational mission. The Air Force conditionally accepted 50 C-130J aircraft at a cost of $2.6 billion even though none of the aircraft met commercial contract specifications or operational requirements. The Air Force also paid Lockheed Martin more than 99 percent of the C-130J aircraft's contracted price for the delivered aircraft. As a result, the Government fielded C-130J aircraft that cannot perform their intended mission, which forces the users to incur additional operations and maintenance costs to operate and maintain older C-130 mission-capable aircraft because the C-130J aircraft can be used only for training." --165.134.132.123 14:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
What's the deal with the other engines that were listed in the old infobox? I thought that was supposed to be one of the big advantages of using a list rather than an infobox, but this worked just fine in the infobox but now is missing in the list format.
Gene Nygaard 22:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I've rearranged (slightly) the flow of the article and I removed two of the pictures, which I've left here in case they're needed again:
This article could still use better flow and formatting, so this is just a start.
The RAF crash in Iraq was by a bullet from a guerrilla machine gun.
There was a crash of Indoneisan military force in Kai Tak Airport, Hong Kong check the crash on Sept 23, 1994.
Added information about July 15th, 1996 crash of Belgian Airforce C130 at Welschap Airport in Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
Are all of these notable? Why are we listing so damn many? Just curious. ericg ✈ 16:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
I come from an RAF family and all Hercules have been given the affectionate nickname of 'Fat Albert', not just the C-130T used by the Blue Angels. I don't have any documentary evidence of this, but at the Royal International Air Tattoo this weekend, the commentators again referred to the Herc as 'Fat Albert', so it's not just me! Does anybody have any more solid evidence for this? Are any other nicknames used by other air forces? --Bryces 15:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but I mean to remember that Howard Hughes built the first airplane of this specific type (was able to transport large loads), and it had the same name, too. His Hercules couldn't match the ones that followed, but I think he deserves a mention and a link with the new Hercules on these pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruce_Goose
The C-130 Hercules and the Hughes H-4 Hercules are completely unrelated aircraft. If anything, we should provide a link on this page "not to be confused with the Hughes H-4 Hercules". Willy Logan 14:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
More like, Lockheed chose the Hercules name as the most appropriate galaxy-related name for the C-130, in keeping with their company pattern (Orion, Vega, Lightning, Constellation, et al). Mark Sublette (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Unbased but I had also heard it was named hercules in retrospect of Hughes vision for the army requirments. Noserider 21:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I have been told in the past that the Royal New Zealand Air Force flies the oldest operation hercules, I once even asked the current air vice marshal if it was true, to which he replied that he had heard that too.
Is this worthy of adding to the article, if it can be confirmed?
--Oldest?--
The first RNZAF C-130 was/is c.n. 4042, NZ7001, delivered March 1963. There are MANY Hercules still in service that were built earlier with lower c.n.s, according the Lars Olausson's Production List. Mark Sublette (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps a snippet should be added to the article about "The Four Horsemen" -- A C-130 demonstration team a la the Thunderbirds. 147.145.40.43 22:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The article states: The remaining five companies tendered a total of nine designs: Lockheed two, Boeing one, Chase three, Douglas three, Airlifts Inc one.
2+1+3+3+1 = 10, not 9. What is the correct number? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.76.96.14 (talk) 16:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
An article on C-130's without a mention of LAPES? This airplane made LAPES a reality... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Altitude_Parachute_Extraction_System SeattleRetro 02:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Should the list of Operators be removed and merged with the external article List of units using the C-130 Hercules, then perhaps renamed List of operators of the Hercules. MilborneOne 12:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
C-130s played a very important (and dangerous) role in daily re-supply flights to the Argentine garrison in the Falklands, among other roles. Only one was lost during the war. I think this should be mentioned. Grant | Talk 02:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Does the number 130 have any meaning? - 74.120.3.178 06:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I have access to a large number of early C-130 photographs from operational missions - ski-equipped JATO take-offs from the ice-cap, for instance. My father was a very early operational pilot and something of a shutterbug. Would any of these be of value?24.252.199.248 14:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I must voice concern over how many pictures are in this article. Almost the entire right hand side of the article is filled with pictures. It seems that we are adding pictures for the sake of adding pictures. I suggest that we go through the pictures and decide which ones are actually valuable, and move the rest to Commons. Keep only a handful of pictures, just to illustrate some of the examples shown. ThePointblank 13:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Should compass call actually redirect to the page for the actual aircraft and not to this page? Someone else want to confirm this and then we can make the necessary changes. I find it terribly inconvenient to have to find the page through this one. TauntingElf (talk) 20:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Is mexico in negotiations to purchase 3 more C-130's?? user:homan05 —Preceding comment was added at 23:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
What is the cost/value of a C-130? For example, a C-130H. Possibly US$15 million in 1980 or so?--TGC55 (talk) 18:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The first flight serial number appears to be the subject of vandalism.
1.1 First flight The first flight of the YC-130 prototype was made on 23 August 1954 from the Lockheed plant in Burbank, California. The aircraft, serial number 23-2323, was the second prototype but the first of the two to fly.
Normally, the first two numbers of a USAF aircraft serial number are the last two digits of the US Government fiscal year that the aircraft was authorized. In the case of an aircraft which first flew in August 1954, it could have well been authorized in 1952 or 1953. I submit that the correct serial number would start out 52-xxxx or 53-xxxx.--TGC55 (talk) 20:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there any interest in having an article on the C-130J Super Hercules at this point? I know we already have 5 varaint articles (Lockheed AC-130, Lockheed EC-130, Lockheed HC-130, Lockheed MC-130, and Lockheed WC-130), but I think we could use this one too. According to most sources, the J is a completely new aircraft unnder the skin, with new engines, avionics, and most ofther systems. While this article is not very long at this point (37 KB total), I do think it can be expanded alot more - moving out the J with make room for expansion, while allowing more space for new info on the J to be added, as this is now the major in-production model. I've seen a number of articles linking to the J section in this article, but that doesn't list on "What links here", so we have no way of tabulating those links. (As for name, I believe the "Super" part is unofficial, but using it in the title will help to disambiguate the page from the main one, and the text can state it is most likely unofficial.) Thoughts and comments? - BillCJ (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The MC-130 is nothing but a C-130 with advanced equipment. It's mission is the same as any other C-130 - haul troops and cargo. It was developed in the 1960s as a vehicle to support clandestine operations inside hostile territory. AC-130s are variants. As for EC-130s, they are basic C-130s equipped with advanced electronics equipment but there is no major modification to the airframe. SamMcGowan (talk) 04:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information to include about the proposed sale of this aircraft to "Red" China, purportedly for oil spill cleanup in the ocean? Pfbonney (talk) 03:45, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but the section that talks about using the C-130 for air to ground operations mentions the Green Berrets as a movie it was used in, but was it not also used in The Dark Knight? It's been a little bit since I've watched it, but I believe it was a reference to the same system and that it was a C-130 that was used for the pick up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.222.119 (talk) 20:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
This is mentioned on the Fulton surface-to-air recovery system page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system) in the "In popular culture" section, although there is no specification as to the type of aircraft used. Gil gosseyn (talk) 07:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
A MATS ARRS HC-130H was used in the Green Berets. SamMcGowan (talk) 04:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Ipropose that the stub article Lockheed L-100 Hercules, which is a mere ~120 words and a single source reference, be merged into this article. The contents of that page would be much better as a section here than as a little read stub. The L100 version is already mentioned here so expanding it into a section similar to that of the C130 variants makes a lot of sense to me. Roger (talk) 11:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The Kely Johnson quote early in the article is flagged for clarification. I suggest adding a citation to:
http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2004/articles/aug_04/hawkins/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.147.35 (talk) 12:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
In a few days I'll add AMP, most likely just before J.
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/support/maintenance/c130/index.html http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4278693
http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2009/10/morning-smoke-pentagon-estimates-jsf-could-cost-17-billion-more-than-expected-prompts-staffers-to-ca.html as can be seen from their non-response to the cancellation of C-130 AMP. Boeing squanders $1.5 billion and walks away with $150 million of pure profit on a program they bought by bribing a government official and no one has anything to say about it. But you want defense workers to put their careers on the line reporting waste, fraud, and abuse, right? Hcobb (talk) 23:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The list of the operators of the C-130 is supposedly based on a separate article giving the list (with references). However, I see that India is listed in the article whereas it is not listed in this section. When I went to add the name to the list, I saw a comment which said '<!-- India will only use the C-130J, which has a separate article -->'. Now, I observe that Qatar is listed as an operator here, who have only ordered only the C-130J yet.
My point is, a distinct guideline is required to specify exactly which operators should be mentioned in this list. I recommend that all operators of all C-130 variants be listed here, because that's the natural expectation of the reader since this is more or less a parent or umbrella article of all C-130 variants. VirajParipatyadar (talk) 10:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I've restored the history on the aircraft that just went on display at the Air Force Museum. I agree that the history of this aircraft, as well as the one above it, and the even longer description of the first aircraft on the U.S. list, are a bit long for a aircraft on display. The problem isn't the aircraft's history as written, as much as that we don't have a seprate article on notable C-130 combat incidents, which forces these very important accounts to be placed in the "Survivors" section. We do have an article on C-130 accidents, and another on C-130 losses, but nothing on combat incidents that did not result in the loss of the aircraft. I'm not too terribly worried at this time, as these incidents do seem to fit okay under the "Survivors" section, but I have to think that we are missing out on many notable combat incidents not involving aircraft on display that should be in a section of their own. If anyone would care to make an article on notable combat incidents involving C-130 (preferrable where medals were awarded) it would be welcome, and would help to clean up "survivors" section. - Ken keisel (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Survivors may be a catch-all term for aircraft out of service that would identify all surviving airframes, but in the case of C-130, the "aircraft on display" title may be more useful, even though it is not the standard for a section title. FWiW, who has a C-130 in a private collection? it isn't a Cessna ... Bzuk (talk) 20:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC).
Cessna 150s, here I come ... FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2011 (UTC).
The skydivers often call the C-130 the "Dirty Herc" or the "Four-Fan-Trash-Can" permission to add that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undeadplatypus (talk • contribs) 04:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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Bold text As a former Royal Australian Air Force Flight Engineer I am disappointed that the fact that Australia was the first non United States operator of the Hercules is not mentioned in the C130 Hercules article. The RAAF first acquired C130A Hercules in 1958 with 12 examples being bought. These were augmented with 12 C130E models in 1966. The C130A aircraft were replaced by the C130H during 1978. The C130E aircraft were replaced by the C130J-30 a few years ago. The C130 continues to play a major role in the RAAF and will do for many years to come.What is significant is that the RAAF will celebrate 50 years of continuous C130 operations next year. Having operated the "A", "E" and "H" models I was also disappointed to find the F/E had been replaced by computers, as is the 'norm' in all modern aircraft. RAAFHerkman 02:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC) |
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By Wikipedia's own definition of STOL the C-130 is NOT a STOL aircraft. It nominally needs 4700 feet to take off over a 15 meter obsticle and 2550 feet to land over a 15 meter obsticle. ref. These specifications are for the new J model which out performs any of the previous models. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtabaco (talk • contribs) 21:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Takeoff distance: 1,400 ft (427 m) at 80,000 lb (36,300 Kg) gross weight Landing distance: 1,150 ft (351 m) at 80,000 lb (36,300 Kg)gross weight Source http://www.uscost.net/aircraftcharacteristics/acc130.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoltar 8 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The minimum takeoff distance for the C-130 is NOT 3,000 feet - that is a number that was established in the sixties when 315th Air Division added 500 feet to the 2,500 feet that they decided should be the minimum runway length for forward field operations. The actual takeoff and landing distance is much shorter. You can also get into CFR 14 Part 25 requirements, but they do not apply to military aircraft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SamMcGowan (talk • contribs) 04:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The C-130's takeoff and landing distances on USS Forrestal are irrelevant. Book distances are in still air. Forrestal was moving at approximately 30 knots into a 20-knot wind, meaning the C-130 was landing and taking off into a 50-knot down-the runway wind. (What this means, for the nonpilots who are obviously writing this silliness, is that had the C-130 been taking off into a hypothetical 100-knot wind, ts takeoff distance would have been zero.173.62.11.221 (talk) 21:42, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi[1] this BBC article mentioned that the Herc is the largest and heaviest planes able to land on aircraft carriers. I see there is a picture of that in the article, but I could not find any text. Does anyone know if this was a take off under their own power or catapult assisted? Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I think this article could really do with a hatnote explaining that it excludes the C130J and the L100. The majority of reverted good faith edits of the last year or so have been about those two variants. Roger (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
The four wing installed lift rafts on the C130H are delivered from the factory with plastic life raft tubs that crack severely after just a few short flights. These plastic life raft plastic tubs can be replaced with much stronger fiberglass life raft tubs wich can be ordered from Lockheed. Each life raft tub has numerous screws that hold it in and it only takes a few short hours for one mechanic to change each one. While awaiting Air Force assets to replace these plastic life raft tubs with much stonger fiberglass tubs they can be removed by removing the numerous screws that hold them into the aircraft and patched used technical order approved materials. Thanks Lockheed you are the best! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.56.225.56 (talk) 23:20, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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Last sentence in first paragraph has what seems conflicting grammar. "The C-130 is one of the only military aircraft to remain in continuous production for over 50 years with its original customer, as the updated C-130J Super Hercules."
Is it "the only military aircraft", or "one of the few"? "one of the only" makes no sense.
I don't know enough about this aircraft or all other military aircraft production to correct the sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.187.234.12 (talk) 04:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)