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Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
The previous moves were reverted in May without discussion.
On the preceding move Wikipedia policy was correctly cited. MOS:JOBTITLE says articles about the titles of positions should be lower case. This is an article about the general class of positions of "lord mayor" and not a specific instance of an office. Mauls (talk) 19:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 4 years ago18 comments6 people in discussion
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The result of the move request was: Moved. I don't really support this move away from common usage and dictionary definitions, as I've said repeatedly at recent RMs. But the trend and consensus is clear, so there's no point fighting this any longer... — Amakuru (talk) 10:46, 17 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Lord Mayor → Lord mayor – MOS:JOBTITLE says articles about the titles of positions should be lower case. The article is about the general class of lord mayors, not the lord mayor of any specific city. It is therefore a common noun and not a proper noun. Mauls (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
This has nothing to do with whether it is a single word or not. None of the examples I provided above are single words, but all of those article titles use lowercase. —BarrelProof (talk) 11:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Of course there isn't much use of "Lord mayor" (except at the beginning of a sentence). People would generally either capitalize both words or would use lowercase for both words. —BarrelProof (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Not a proper name, but a generic title. Lord Mayor of London is a proper name (a specific, unique post held by only one individual at a time). Lord mayor is not. It would be perfectly reasonable to refer to the Lord Mayor of London (or anywhere else) as the Lord Mayor (which is what the ngram test is mostly picking up), but generically we would refer to lord mayors or a lord mayor. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
A clearer picture comes from an n-gram comparison such as this one. Caps are still in the majority, but not close to "consistently"; they are clearly optional, so WP style is to choose lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 05:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
So why did you present that ridiculous comparison using n-grams, rather than a more meaningful one? Yes, let's look at reliable sources, it seems unlikely that cherrying picking from them will make a convincing argument that this term is "consistently capitalized", in light of the n-gram stats. Dicklyon (talk) 15:43, 13 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Ridiculous? Are you emotional about this? I did some investigating. Ngrams are nicely illustrative, although one must appreciate that they are not reliable. It’s true, you presented a better test, I think, excluding table and directory listings, and your shows non-negligible use of “a lord mayor”. I don’t mean to discount that, but to say can we follow up with cases of quality sources doing this. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Note that an ngram will count "Lord Mayor of London" as a hit for "Lord Mayor". But when the "of London" part of it is omitted (and not implied), it should use lowercase. Wikipedia generally avoids uppercase when there is doubt about it. Not all sources follow that convention. —BarrelProof (talk) 11:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
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