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This is turning point if Philippine History. With bated breath, our nation awaits more spiritual events complementing this, in view of the CURSE that envelopes our Judiciary and corrupt officials. This article and related ones must be further cleaned up and the links corrected and added.
--Florentino floro (talk) 06:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I'm curious as to the source of this information; "At 4:55pm, Glass on the windows had been broken to allow the dispersal of tear gas to those holed up inside the hotel. Afterwards, an exchange of fire was heard between the military and the Magdalo group. A tank had entered the hotel lobby, with the soldiers pouring in to the hotel." --Ph33rspace (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
how 'bout this? {{wikinews|WHATS THE ARTICLE TITLE?}} †Bloodpack† 10:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I noticed that most of the tense used here are past tense. I thought we are to use present tense as per wiki MoS? †Bloodpack† 11:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Shouldn't this rather be at 2007 Philippine coup d'état attempt, in line with other coup attempts? Or has "Manila Peninsula Mutiny" so quickly become a proper noun...? —Nightstallion 17:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Legally, the crime or felony committed is Rebellion or inciting to Sedition, under our Revised Penal Code, for which reason Sec. Raul Gonzales ordered the preliminary investigation and forthwith filing of the proper charges or criminal information against all the accused. Of course, Judge Pimentel cited them in contempt of court but that is under Rule 71, Rules of Court. So, coup d'etat cannot be used as title since they cannot be charged legally and technically of the same; even Sen. Gringo Honasan was charged not as coup plotter but of Rebellion.
--Florentino floro (talk) 07:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Ignacio Bunye was a politician and a mere Palace Spokesman. Sergio Apostol is the legal officer of the Palace, while Abueva does not know anything about law, since he is not in this line. A situation is like any other event, but only events or situations which should result in crimes or felonies are punished by law. So, mutiny is really an improper title, let us re-name it RebellionorSedition.
--Florentino floro (talk) 07:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I agree, that is a good style of creating title, no need for years, just put the name of the place or hotel plus the crime committed. --Florentino floro (talk) 07:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I want to be more technical about the title. This happened in the Philippines and should not be considered an international matter like great mutinies: Mutiny is the act of conspiracy among members of a group of similarly-situated individuals (typically members of the military; or the crew of any ship, even if they are civilians) to openly oppose, change or overthrow an existing authority and therefore, disobey the rule of law. The term is commonly used for a rebellion among members of the military against their superior officer(s), turning the strongest arm of the law into a danger for the legal order. During the Age of Discovery, mutiny particularly meant open rebellion against a ship’s captain. This occurred, for example, during Magellan’s journey, resulting in the killing of one mutineer, the execution of another and the marooning of two others, and on Henry Hudson’s Discovery, resulting in Hudson and others being set adrift in a boat.
As a lawyer and Judge (Florentino V. Floro, I state that our 1932 Revised Penal Code, copied from Spanish codes provides for felonies. And Mutiny refers only to naval uprisings or standoffs. The proper or legal crime is RebellionorSedition punished under the Revised Penal Code. Just listen to the wise words of Kidney transplant patient who now recovers DOJ Sec. Raul Gonzalez (Philippines). He ordered the filing not of MUTINY charges but of sedition or rebellion.
So, I MOVE that the title be changed to MANILA PENINSULA REBELLION or SEDITION, not standoff since this word is not a legal term. We are dealing here with a legal not media article.
just sayin
--Florentino floro (talk) 07:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Well, it would not be a WikiPedia policy for title to be under the wisdom of discretion of the creators or authors. REASON: supposing that the article I author is a medical article like drugs, viagra or medicines and even vitamin. Here in WikiPedia I had been often corrected by some very professional members whose line is medicine, on my edits on medicines where I would cite references like cnn, reuters, but the study or research is just an opinion of few. So, my point is: the title of the article, if the article is technical or professional or belongs to a line or department of expertise like law, art, culture, medicine, etc., then, the legal or medical etc. term or title should be used or prevail. I cite reference to support my stance:
Justice Secretary Raul Gonzalez, who ordered a prosecution team to file sedition and rebellion charges against those in the standoff, said the "suspects" were to be kept in custody for inquest purposes. "There is no court today (a holiday). We have to keep them in custody for inquest purposes," Gonzalez said on dzEC radio on Friday morning.
So, there is no such thing as Mutiny, standoff, or even siege (which is a blockade), which are all misnomers. How can we title this event or situation a mutiny when there was none? Can we rely upon local and foreign media reporters who call such event a dog or cat, and forget the most wise SECRETARY OF FILIPINO JUSTICE Raul Gonzalez (Philippines)? Of course not.
I even heard him on TV this morning is shining lance, fresh from his First Friday vomiting and Kidyney transplant all in splendor of luxurious Amercana with his face no longer color eggplant like last august, but he is like PINK flower, his rosy cheeks, due to the fact that he stated before reporters that he has the kidney of 2 year old, while when he said that the other convicts of NINOY case should be released before Christmas, then, one in Malacanang not the DWARF or dwendelina or thumbelina, tersely said that Sec. Gonzales has 3 kidneys
Let us leave it at that. Humour. But I heard him this a.m. and even late last night on panel at ANC, and he said that - they can also file INCITING TO SEDITION, where the penalty is prision correccional or 6 months imprisonment but the leaders are liable for LIFE imprisonment, so NO BAIL.
But, since GONZALES is not a bar topnotcher and is not even an authority on criminal law (I hold the 91% Ateneo Record of 91% in criminal law review from 1975-1985, and my bar rating of 87.55% can never be matched by this Raul Gonzales whom I faced and lectured to on August 22, 2005, when I reported to him my classmate DOJ State Prosecutor VENI FULE texting me and spreading rumours that Gonzales was having dialysis.... Now, my point, is TRILLANES cannot be liable for rebellion and sedition if charged since under our criminal law, what he did yesterday is a CONTINUING CRIME called complex and he is already being tried under Judge Pimentel. Pimentel had ordered his arrest yesterday and that is a BENCH warrant only, plus TRILLANES is liable for INDIRECT CONTEMPT of COURT under Rule 71. I hope Raul Gonzales and the Prosecutors there at the DOJ, most of whom are my classmates like LEO Dacera, State Counsel Ricardo Paras III, and Veni Fule, if they will INVESTIGATE TRILLANES, the proper charge must be consolidated with the PIMENTEL pending case, nothing more nothing less.
Hope this is not a memo on criminal law, but since this is not a forum or blog, I have to support my thesis on the title.
--Florentino floro (talk) 08:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Well, I admit that it is really a grey or gray area ... What's in a name as Juliet or Romeo would ... Even Shakespeare's works may not be really his ... Actually, I had been away from WikiPedia, and I contributed so little unlike before, until just yesterday, when this thing happened. This is part of my PROPHECIES and I am so excited on the SPIRITUAL FIAT which would change the course of Philippine history. The confluence of events turn to the 1918 Fatima PREDICTIONS of famine, deaths and dire disasters due to non-repentance. Here, in the Philippines, our people are so hungry, and many are JOBLESS including myself, due to vengeance, anger, hatred and bitterness PLUS corruption. But there is a God who watches us from a distance. This discussion really caught my eye, since when I the world TITLE section caught my attention, I recall the 1980 days when we studied criminal law at the ATENEO. And when we talk of MUTINY the crime is punished only when it is committed in the high seas in ships. Anyway, but it is an interesting discussion, since many titles here in WikiPedia, are not really technically correct and must be changed so that WikiPedia would be a greater book ever. Whatever the title is, I hope that our country will crush EVIL by means of this TITLE.
--Florentino floro (talk) 10:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
GMA 7 called the event as "seige". I feel using the word "mutiny" in this event is still questionable. Oakwood mutiny is fine because those involved before were enlisted military personnels who were then in service with the government. Whereas now, those involved in this Peninsula scenario are now under trial. I feel seige would be appropriate as they took over the place regardless whether it is for "protest" or for "sedition". I say, let's reach a consensus via poll? †Bloodpack† 08:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I respectfully OBJECT since Siege is basically a blockade:
Asiege is a military blockade of a cityorfortress with the intent of conquering by force or attrition, often accompanied by an assault. The term derives from the Latin word for "seat" or "sitting."[1] A siege occurs when an attacker encounters a city or fortress that refuses to surrender and cannot be easily taken by a frontal assault. Sieges involve surrounding the target and blocking the reinforcement or escape of troops or provision of supplies (a tactic known as "investment"[2]), typically coupled with attempts to reduce the fortifications by means of siege engines, artillery bombardment, mining (also known as mining), or the use of deception or treachery to bypass defenses. Failing a military outcome, sieges can often be decided by starvation, thirst or disease, which can afflict both the attacker or defender.
GMA 7 is a station famous for comedy of errors, carabao english or Eraptions. Perhaps one can consult american language experts on this rather than use GMA's use of terms or words as authority or taste reference in title. Further, how many journalists of GMA 7 had really on their heads Ph.D.s or M.A.s in communications from A schools like Ateneo?
--Florentino floro (talk) 10:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
WikiPedia titles of articles should not be subject to elections or contests, for even stats polls like here in the Philippines, like SWS surveys of Mahar Mangahas had been severely criticized and laughed at PinoyExchange forum, and with credible evidence of being so inaccurate, biased, one-sided and of course envelopemental mentality. But we must thanks the author of this article since, this TURNING POINT of our Philippine History, this Mutiny, definately UNVEILS how our Supreme Court of the Philippines, the justices, judges, lawyers and top government officials are IDEAL practitioners of HYPOCRISY, with utter LUST and GREED for power, glory, honor, money and most of them end up in SUITES of ST. LUKES / Asian Hospital / MMC with tubes and horns due to cancer, stroke and spinal disorders.
Retired Lt. Gen. Jose Calimlim, deputy administrator of Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA), died of an intestinal disease Friday morning. He was 62.*[1]
--Florentino floro (talk) 10:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
References
Both Australia and Britain had advised their nationals to avoid large gatherings and take precautions in the weekend. Australia, UK caution nationals in Manila.
Singapore has advised any Singaporeans in Manila to monitor any changes regarding the mutiny and to check in with the embassy. Singapore travelers to Philippines advised to take precaution.
Will these be okay. Ominae (talk) 18:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Under the heading "Occupation of the Manila Peninsula" there's a random <noinclude> just sitting there. I've checked the edit box for it, trying to figure out to remove it, but it's not there. Anyone else think they know how to remove it? --Ye Olde Luke 06:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Ok, User:Rizalninoynapoleon must give me a few good reasons why that infobox is appropriate for this article? He never uses edit summaries, he just goes ahead and re-adds it. --Howard the Duck 10:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Rizalninoynapoleon (talk) 11:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Okay my turn. Give me reasons why the article should be semi-protected. I read the semi-protection policy and see no reason or even heavy vandalism that requires this page to be semi-protected. We do have content disputes, but we're peacefully discussing it here aren't we? †Bloodpack† 11:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
1. There are people trying to vandalise the page to probably to discredit what happened.[citation needed] 2. This is a current event which could change any time. 3. It is better that the editing and the contributing should go registered users and administrators [citation needed] (kindly refer to WP:OWN) then after two or three days we can lift it. Rizalninoynapoleon (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
As of now (December 2), President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is holding a one million reward to whoever can locate/catch one of the escaped Magdalo members (or any other). Check the (December 2) issue of the Inquirer newspaper. Moogle 12 Good discussion sub-section. Behind this, is Atty. Trixie Angeles news report I added, where she was very afraid of the whereabouts of Faeldon, when, forthwith, we are astonished why a reward is set up, so who is who or what is really happening on Faeldon and this lady lawyer? just sayin, so hope this Reward things should be watched and closely added edited here for more current developments. Puzzling.
--Florentino floro 07:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
Pls don't move a page title without discussing for concensus. Naming an article with a year and a preposition is unencylopedic. It's like were gonna name every event in Philippine history with a year just to make it uniformed (i.e. Philippine coup attempt of 1986, 87, 88 etc...) †Bloodpack† 21:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
Name | Total Google News searches | % | G-News sources with quotes | % |
---|---|---|---|---|
"Philippine coup attempt of 2007" | 186 | 8 | 0 | 0 |
"Manila Peninsula coup" | 774 | 33 | 2 | 5 |
"Manila Peninsula siege" | 307 | 13 | 23 | 53 |
"Manila Peninsula standoff" | 544 | 23 | 17 | 40 |
"Manila Peninsula mutiny" | 473 | 20 | 1 | 2 |
"Makati situation 2007" | 89 | 4 | 0 | 0 |
Keyword | Google News search results |
---|---|
Philippine coup | 1437 |
Peninsula Manila coup | 813 |
Peninsula Manila siege | 320 |
Peninsula Manila standoff | 574 |
Peninsula Manila mutiny | 347 |
Current consensus is 2:1 †Bloodpack† 21:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
After reading the article, I find the application of the label "coup" to this incident to be misleading. One of the defining elements of a coup d'état is the assertion of control over the organs of the state (and, generally, the media). Had the mutineers attempted to seize the local city hall, a judicial building, an executive administration building, or something similar, that'd be one thing; but they didn't ... they occupied a hotel. Manila Peninsula mutinyorPeninsula Manila mutiny are the most appropriate titles. Actually, I have no opinion on which is the most appropriate title, but I just feel that it shouldn't include the word "coup". – Black Falcon (Talk) 22:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
The statement that the government prosecutors have given Capt. Faeldon and four other Magdalos until December 18 to submit their affidavits does not seem to have been mentioned in the footnote attached to justify it, (footnote no. 42) Could the person who uploaded this please attach the ccorrect footnote, if any? Wingedprophecy (talk) 11:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
Also the statement "On December 4, 2007, 3 former Magdalo soldiers, led by Cpl. Elmer Colon (black camouflage uniform and a wacky wig), hired by Makati Mayor Jejomar Binay joined Pen putsch, while Armed Forces Chief Hermogenes Esperon Jr. confirmed the arrest of a high-ranking leader of the New People’s Army, Myrna Hombrebueno, proving that the Magdalo had ties with the communist rebels. [37]" is inaccurate.
First, the 3 alleged Magdalo soldiers (please do not forget to include the word "alleged" to any disputed fact. Remember there is still a trial that is set to prove, among other things, who actually participated and their precise role in the incidents, as well as whether or not the incident is a crime) allegedly joined the Pen "putsch" on 29 November, not 4 December.
Second, the arrest of Myrna Hombrebueno is not a high-ranking leader of the New People's Army, this is not an established fact, this is only a statement of Esperon, who is not exactly an unbiased commentator. Her presence is does not constitute proof of anything other than her prescence, because her actual participation, and her familiarity with Sen. TRillanes et al have not yet been established. The statement, which goes into the reputation of the alleged leaders of the incident, seem to be potentially libelous.
A more appropriate statement would be, "On December 4, it was reported that three former soldiers charged and demoted for their participation the 27 July Oakwood incident were among the participants in the Manila Penn incident, while Gen. Esperon confirmed that among the arrested was oneMyrna Hombrebueno, a.k.a Myrna Buendia, a suspected member of the New People's Army, which Esperon construes as estblishing a link between the Magdalos and the Communists." Wingedprophecy (talk) 11:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
"Led by Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV and Army Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim, thirty soldiers with armed guards, on trial for the 2003 Oakwood Mutiny, walked out of court by breaking down a door and marched towards the luxury Peninsula Manila Hotel." This statement is inaccurate. None of the sources indicate that the door of the Regional Trial Court was broken in order to facilitate the walk-out. The only door that was broken was the Manila Penn's door which was destroyed by the tank. Wingedprophecy (talk) 01:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
Is anyone bold enough to summarize and cleanup the overly long "Aftermath" section? --Howard the Duck 06:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)Reply
As time passed by the most accepted name for this event is "Manila Pen[insula] siege" considering the siege per se was uh... the most exciting. Does anyone have other suggestions? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 18:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)Reply
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