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Is this article accurate? It says that the breeding ground is closer to the open water at the start of the summer than at the end of it. The only way I know of for that to happen in that part of the world is for ice to form... which is surely going to happen in the winter rather than in the summer. It just seems wrong to me! Mawich 16:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
In the southern hemisphere the cold season is the summer while the winter is the warm season. I believe this article is accurate. --Otije 14:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
Wrong! The article Summer says: Summer is a season, defined by convention in meteorology as the whole months of June, July, and August, in the Northern hemisphere, and the whole months of December, January, and February, in the Southern hemisphere. --Keeves 16:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
OK, you are right, sorry about that.--Otije 09:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
"At the beginning of Antarctic summer, the breeding ground is only a few hundred meters away from the open water where the penguins can feed. However, by the end of summer, the breeding ground is over 100 km away from the nearest open water"
This article is using "summer" for "time when it is warmest in this area". The chicks dive in to the water for the first time at the end of the coldest part of the year, when almost all of the ice has melted. The adults start another breeding cycle in the fall, when summer is over and quite a bit of ice has re-frozen. --kd 26mar06
It doesn't seem like this discussion reached a conclusion, and the text is still the same. Since common sense says the ice is thicker at the end of winter, and I believe that the movie states incubation is over the winter, I would think this should be changed unless someone has a reference to the contrary. And, the text now specifically says "Antartic summer", so there should be no confusion over northern hemisphere seasons. Walt 18:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Isn't the name of this movie just March of the Penguins, without the The in front of it? Thunderbrand 03:58, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I'm French and I fully agree with Ze Wresteler. The name of the film in English-Speaking countries is "March of the Penguins", so why bother with the French title ? After all, American films released in Europe also have translated titles.
i really dont know how to express my thoughts and feelings of this documentary but i really think that this film reflects the grace and glory wisdom of God who designed his creature in an amazing way that really shows how God does really exist "for those who believe in the evolution thing", the film shows the intimate relationship between the family members and how they are ready to make sacrifice for the sake of each other. they live the true meaning of love..... i was really astonished when i watched the documentary... and now i do believe in the strenght and ultimate power and love of god who creat us in a really special way to make us different from any other living things in order to thank him every day, and believe in him, god sacrificed his son in order to save us. "i can do every thing through him w gives me strenght"
The article says Emilie Simon, but I have the CD and it says Alex Wurman. The front cover insert has the credits for the score and doesn't list an Emilie Simon. Did they use two seperate scores for the different language versions?
"Penguins are a proof of Intelligent Design"? wtf? why penguins in particular? is this some oblique potshot at creationists, or have they really completely lost it now? I know penguins are gods instrument to save the world from the clutches of Microsoft, but that's another story
Antarctica WASN'T always a big mass of ice. In dinosaur times, it was all forest, so perhaps prehistoric penguins just decided to stay put and evolve instead of move out. 87.80.28.20 18:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
It appears that the French version has "dubbed" Penguin narration, while the English one has replaced this by more traditional commentary. I've laid hands on the French version and can confirm the former. This should merit a mention in the article. --Kizor 16:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
For the DVD release there were three people doing the commentary, a man, representing the male penguin, a woman representing the female penguin and a boy representing the chick. The narration is timed so that it seems to be what the penguins are thinking at the moment of the story. I think they are trying to make the story more personal, and less of a cold-scientist-studying-penguins thing.
i really dont know how to express my thoughts and feelings of this documentary but i really think that this film reflects the grace and glory wisdom of God who designed his creature in an amazing way that really shows how God does really exist "for those who believe in the evolution thing", the film shows the intimate relationship between the family members and how they are ready to make sacrifice for the sake of each other. they live the true meaning of love..... i was really astonished when i watched the documentary... and now i do believe in the strenght and ultimate power and love of god who creat us in a really special way to make us different from any other living things in order to thank him every day, and believe in him, god sacrificed his son in order to save us. "i can do every thing through him w gives me strenght"
I have added a link to a New Scientist commentary by Andrew Walker. Being New Scientist, it is of course subscriber only but I have also listed the issue it came from so you can also look it up in the original magazine. I know many people dislike links to content not publicly available but I feel it summarises several other key arguments against using penguins as moral compasses and in the absence of an alternative, I think it should stay. Nil Einne 14:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
I've been told that the French version had, in addition to the human dubbing, a techno soundtrack. Is that true? 24.192.17.34 05:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
I've changed the name of the Dutch narrator back from Urbain Servranckx into Urbanus. That's how he's best known in Belgium and the Netherlands, and besides: that's the title of his article, too. Oliphaunt 22:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
I'm curious, does anyone think we can bring this article up to FA status? --ZeWrestler Talk 13:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
The article says "... so that there is no danger of the ice becoming too soft to support the colony, or chicks falling into the water before they develop a waterproof coat ...". I know this is just the plot of a film but in real life Emperor colonies can loose the entire years chicks when the ice breaks up early. I have seen it happen in summer 1995/96 on the Weddell sea. If the article was about Emperor penguins I would track down a reference and note this in the main text but as it is just a plot this is probably less important. Maybe the colony they filmed is in an especially safe bay but it is misleading. Should the main text be changed in some way to note this? --Mtpaley 12:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Reply
Just a minor observation, the title on "Marchofthepenguins baby.jpg" is "Penguin chicks playing.", I have spent many hours around emperor penguin colonies at all times of year and I have never seen chicks playing. Once they leave the brood pouches they just stand around occasionally flapping their wings. They often huddle with other chicks but nothing you could call play. I must admit that I have not seen the film but if it does show chicks playing then it is probably carefull filming+editing. I am not suggesting changing the article but given the overly serious nature of this discussion people should remember that it is just a film and they really are just birds. --Mtpaley 12:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Reply
What was that bird that tried to kidnap and eat one of the chicks?
It has been tentatively identified on bird watcher sites as the atartic skua, which does prey on penguin colony chicks. Sandwich Eater 15:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
Does the predator bird section belong like that in the article. i think we can do something else with it. --ZeWrestler Talk 14:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
I honestly dont think that the predator bird in this film could be a skua, it's clearly a tube-nose (procellariiformes) like a petrel/albatross. It also has a similar wing shape to an albatross (which is what I thought it was to start with).
Have a look at the giant petrels mentioned on wikipedia-if you go to the 'emperor penguin' page, there is a link to the antarctic giant petrel, of which there are similar light and dark phases to skuas. But there's no way that beast is a skua-skuas for a start can land without falling on their beaks!
I would say this is a mid level personally it was a pretty big film DPM 18:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
alright, i've been looking around, but i can't find out why the choice was made to remove Émilie Simon's music and replace it with Wurman's. is that information available anywhere? Whateley23 16:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)Reply
Please help add more references to this article so we can achieve GA-Class. —Viriditas | Talk 12:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
How about The Emperor's Journey? It is international English title. How should it be mentioned in the article? I know the film from this title, and I believe many do so outside the US, apart from original French name. IMDB mentions this name as well. --KINKKU • ANANAS 10:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Recently, 68.33.149.36 rewrote the subject matter section of the article. After reading it over, it appears to be on the POV side to me. The rewrite has some obvious problems with it, but rather than just revert it, I figured I'd get some second opinions on it to see what others think. Should we keep it, fix it up, and add back material the anon user took out, or revert it back? Any suggestions/comments? --ZeWrestler Talk 16:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
This section was added to the article today by an unregistered user:
P Porter has at least 2 articles in issues of that journal in 2006, available in several online databases. The one mentioning the film in the title is:
Unfortunately I don't have access to either of those databases. I would like to see a full citation and a brief quotation before this is returned to the article, as I think that to do otherwise would not be in the spirit of the BLP policy.
--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
Note: hoax edits were made to other articles by that IP address today. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.124.159.213
--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
This message, and the fact that the film's trailers and promotions do not mention the "green" dimension to the movie, has led to criticism from conservative reviewers for what they see as propaganda, which could in fact be the plot-twist that caps the storyline, films not generally revealing their ending in trailers. Filming a movie that has an environmental message aimed at children has provoked some controversy, although it might be overly emphatic. Critics of the film include Michael Medved [21], Neil Cavuto [22], and Glenn Beck [23].
I don't think this is particularly balanced. There is a paragraph where it is said that there is an environmental message, then there is this paragraph where a few people are cited as being upset about the environmental message in the movie. Where are the (what I would expect to be vast majority of) people who are actually happy for a mild environmental message to be in a kids movie? By only picking three right-wing conservative religious Americans for their views on the environmental message we are placing undue weight on a minority opinion. Also "critics" is used incorrectly, because critics include positive and negative critics. Sad mouse 16:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
Something appears to have gone wrong with the international versions section, launching into what appears to be a synopsis/plot of the film without preamble or a new subheading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.146.240 (talk) 00:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
This is a quote from the article : "Author Susan Jacoby claims in her 2008 book, The Age of American Unreason (page 26), that the distributors of the movie deliberately avoided using the word "evolution" in order to avoid backlash from the American religious right, and writes, "As it happens, the emperor penguin is literally a textbook example, cited in college-level biology courses, of evolution by means of natural selection and random mutation. ... The financial wisdom of avoiding any mention of evolution was borne out at the box office"
Now, does that Susan Jacoby have any evidence that the makers of this movie "deliberately" avoided using the word evolution? As a Frenchmen, I can tell you that in France there is no evolution/creationism debate. She may be over-analyzing the documentary through the lenses of an American. That's Americentrism. This documentary probably didn't mention evolution simply because it's obvious for a French audience. The makers probably didn't expect their documentary to be so successful abroad in the first place. What I'm saying is that the article may be giving too much importance to an analysis that this Susan Jacoby probably pulled out of nowhere.--Munin75 (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
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