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Latest comment: 11 years ago3 comments1 person in discussion
The last date proposed for the next presidential elections (June 28th) is about to pass by without notice... is it correct from now on to call Abass a de facto president? Againme (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I removed the following information for the following reasons.
"Elections in the OPT are held to exercise the Palestinian right to selfdetermination in connection with their right to establish their own state, but are held under the burden of military occupation. [1] They are hold in the framework of the Oslo Accords, meaning that the power of the PNA was (and is) limited to matters like culture, education, ID-cards and the distribution of the land and water left by the Israelis. Such as far as the occupying power allows."
The reference does not discuss Palestinian elections, and the entire paragraph doesn't seem relevant.
I kept "Elections in the Palestinian territories are held in the framework of the Oslo Accords" because that's a fact that is mentioned in the article on the Oslo Accords.
The rest of the paragraph is unreferenced, and has no relevance whatsoever to the importance of elections.
"However, changes of the political reality, including elections and the formation of new political entities under occupation are, like the Oslo Accords themselves, contrary the Geneva Conventions and thus illegal. [2]"
The ICRC reference does not discuss Palestinians, and many people say that at the time of the drafting, it was intended for situations that are similar to those of WWII, rather than those of the Palestinians. The passage is taking a reference that doesn't discuss Palestinians and assuming it's discussing them, which is not true.
It doesn't have relevance to the importance of elections.
"Like the Oslo Accords themselves" violates WP:NPOV and is unreferenced as well. The ICRC reference doesn't say that the Oslo Accords violate protocol, and is just POV by someone who must not like compromise or a two-state solution.
"As long as the Palestinian Territories are occupied, the elections can have little more than symbolic importance."
"Israel does not allow free exercise of political activities; checkpoints and separation walls are already fit to hinder all social activities. The parlement cannot function, merely because free travel is not possible, especially between Gaza and West Bank, apart from hostilities between Fatah and Hamas. Members of the Palestinian Legislative Council and other politicians are massively and lengthened detained by Israel or even killed, particularly those of Hamas. [3][4]"
For example, "separation walls" and saying that the purpose is to "hinder all social activities" and not the purpose it was built for (to hinder terrorist attacks)
One reference is to Addameer, which is a heavily heavily biased source, and you can tell that from the refernece as well. Not reliable.
Middle East Monitor constitutes WP:OR and doesn't have relevance to the importance of elections.
The paragraph doesn't have relevance to why the elections are important.
The paragraph as well should be removed.
The following I gave a citation needed tag:
"Moreover, PNA and parlement do not represent the Palestinians in the diaspora (to which the PLO is entitled)."
This paragraph also doesn't appear to have relevance to the importance of elections.
Latest comment: 6 years ago9 comments4 people in discussion
I believe we have been postponing the date for the supossed elections cited in this article for years now, and they look like they are never going to take place in 2013. The article should be created when and if elections are held... --Againme (talk) 06:01, 16 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Well, not really. There will be elections, the problem is the date, and there is certainly lots of references we can get for the ongoing palaver. Number5722:35, 16 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
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When people refer to the Palestine general election, they mean the whole lot (because so much time has passed). They could be split but I would wait a while and see what actually happens before doing it.Selfstudier (talk) 14:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'm in favour of splitting – general election articles are usually for elections all on the same day (or at least in the same week), whereas the separate votes here are some months apart. Number5714:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Well yes, we obviously need a couple more editors in favour to go ahead. In the meantime, perhaps you could say what the purpose of waiting is. What are you expecting to happen that would change the fact that the elections are not scheduled for the same day? Number5714:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I am not in the prediction business, I am merely saying "what's the hurry to split it?" ~, I could just move the page to Palestinian elections and that would be that, wouldn't it?Selfstudier (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
If it were scheduled a year away, I would agree considering how many times it has been delayed in the past. But we're only two months from the legislative one now. It has been agreed on by all parties, the voter registration has ended and the lists been formed. What is making you think the date could change again? I think it's close enough to consider a split, and the crystalbal is on the side of an unexpected change of date by now--Aréat (talk) 15:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I never said anything about the date changing. If it disturbs you so, just do a page move as I suggested. If there is to be split rather than a page move, then I would rather wait for the first election to be held and then split it. If you just need a source for the fact that it is a connected process then this is sufficientSelfstudier (talk) 15:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
It's not out of the ordinary for a head to issue a decree calling for different sort of elections. It's just the same decree, the elections still are different, one being for a head of stae and the other for a legislature, and on different dates, months apart. It would be very unusual to have a situation in which readers would come see the info about an election on that given day only to find it mixed with information about a different one months away. I don't think I have seen such an article before.--Aréat (talk) 15:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
It IS unusual, elections are held more often than once in 15 years usually and don't have things like bifurcated authorities and Oslo nonsense in between. You also have Elections in Palestine if that helps. Lastly Israel has been getting involved in East Jerusalem and elsewhere (not in a helpful way) and this may yet cause problems.Selfstudier (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I agree that at present the article covers more than one election so I have moved the page to a more appropriate title while we continue discussion on whether to split it.Selfstudier (talk) 16:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion
Referring to 2021 Section #2 Suspension includes "Cancelling the elections, even if over Jerusalem, carries risks for Abbas" and ends without specific mention of them having been cancelled but the introduction quotes Abbas saying "we decided to postpone the date of holding legislative elections". Perhaps the Abbas quote should be moved to Section #2 and the risks phrase expanded to describe what happened afterwards. Mcljlm (talk) 11:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
A WP article should describe what happened, not what it was thought beforehand might happen. Since the elections were cancelled/postponed "carries" is no longer appropriate. If cancelling/postponing the elections did backfire on Abbas the consequences for him should be mentioned or the lack of consequences if it didn't. At the moment the article doesn't indicate the decision's effect/s on Abbas. I'm not sure which sources you're referring to but I doubt most readers would know where to look; even for me it wouldn't be easy Mcljlm (talk) 14:25, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
I hear you, it is possible these risks have not worked their way all the way through as yet, like I said it's subjective. Let's see if anyone else wants to comment.Selfstudier (talk) 14:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
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