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"The procedure and materials make it almost impossible for the artist to fix mistakes. " This statement is true only some of the time. Depending on style or technique, it is often quite easy to fix mistakes. Many serious artists of this medium today employ methods quite different from those of a century ago.
I will add to this page: more names, and historical detail could be added.
There must be some more Societies covering pastels.
Jackiespeel 16:13, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
This section needs a lot of cleaning up. Anyone who is familiar with pastel artists should contribute. About half of the artists listed as contempory American artists are non-notables.Wanda5088 02:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Wanda's comment. I'm familiar with pastels artists (but new to wikipedia) and have added the Pastel Society (the UK one - established in 1898) and deleted a personal website. Should there be a separate section for pastel societies? There are quite a lot. Also this page seems to be being used by individual non-notable artists to highlight their websites. Does there need to be some criteria for which artists get mentioned by name and links included to their websites to avoid this page looking like a portal for e-bay?Cosmopolitancats 09:47, 14 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
Regrouped all references to pastel artists into one section Cosmopolitancats 08:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Somebody has removed all the links to reputable contemporary artists without having the courtesy of explaining why they are doing this in these pages. While there are certainly people who add their own names in without realising what is required, if you don't know anything about pastels please do not mess with these pages. If you're removing names on the grounds it needs validation then please state this first and say how much you need and from what - and then leave some time for somebody to supply. You have removed the names of some of the most well known artists in the USA eg Wolf Kahn and Daniel Greene! It's not only artists that are dead who are in museums! Cosmopolitancats 23:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
Personally I like the medium very much, so I can understand the eulogy of pastel in the original article. Honesty demands however that we stop avoiding some embarrassing truths ;o):
Also the article mentioned that pastel "reflects light like a prism". However the opposite is true: precisely because there is no darkening refraction by a binder layer the colours are so bright.--MWAK 10:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
More evidence required for the above statement regarding "chalks" and the "light permanency of pastels is the worst of all media". Source required for statement in order to verify. Certain pigments (not pastels) have a lightfastness issue - therefore it depends on the pigment used. The problem with lightfastness in relation to specific pigments is a problem experienced across various media. Many older pastels are kept in rooms with low light because of the fragility of the support rather than the pastel.Cosmopolitancats 07:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
I don't believe this is a published paper available to the public - or is it? Perhaps you could quote from it?
The International Association of Pastel Societies section on states as follows
"Pastel is pure pigment, the same pigment used in making all fine art paints. All top quality pastel brands are permanent when applied to conservation ground and properly framed. Pastel that has not been sprayed with fixative contains no liquid binder that may cause other media to darken, yellow, crack or blister with time. Pastels from the 16th century exist today as fresh as the day they were painted."
More importantly see http://www.pastelsocietyofamerica.org/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=35
This is a paper "The Care and Preservation of Pastels" by Marjorie Shelley, Sherman Fairchild Conservator in Charge of Photographs and Works on Paper, The Metropolitan Museum of Art
Her only concern is the same of that of most professional pastellists, that the work should be protected from environmental damage, which if done will enable pastel works to remain in good condition for many years. Her concerns on lightfastness relate to pigment and not pastel (ie a universal problem for any art media using the pigments which cause problems) Please refer to the article for ways in which work can be protected. Most of this is not unlike the sort of protection recommended for most works on paper.
Cosmopolitancats 22:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Your published and verifiable evidence for "an order of magnitude worse" being........?Cosmopolitancats 00:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Reply
see here: http://ctpastelsociety.com/aboutpastels.html --Jeiki Rebirth 23:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
I've added three new sections (pastel supports; pastel protection; pastel societies), revised some existing headings; added new text and links within the new sections; revised text within the artist section and deleted non-notable names (with no reference on the discussion page) to the reference to contemporary USA artists. Maybe the debate about oil pastels (are they really pastel?) needs highlighting - and maybe a separate sub-section for oil pastels needs to be created?Cosmopolitancats 10:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
This needs more work. There has been much debate between soft pastellists and oil pastellists as to whether or not oil pastel counts as a pastel - plus I note oil pastel has a separate section within wikipedia which I have now referenced in the links section. I'm surprised by the inclusion of the notion of a waterbased pastel without any source. It's not any pastel I know - although there are waterbased crayons and waterbased coloured pencils - but these are different. If there is no comment to the contrary I propose to delete on my next visit to this page. Cosmopolitancats 08:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
I've inserted a comment about the debate about 'what is a pastel' and inserted the definition used by the Pastel Society UK as to what is acceptable in their exhibition - which is not the same as 'what is a pastel' but does indicate the emphasis on dry media. Cosmopolitancats 08:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
This is information which is often sought by current and prospective pastellists - but is not yet included on this page. Suggest external links to manufacturers of different brands as a minimum. Need to consider how best to comment on the 'softness' issue. Cosmopolitancats 08:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
On reviewing this page again it was still looking somewhat confused due to facts being in the wrong sections so I've done a major clean-up/re-ordering.redraft of the sections covering:
I've also included a new link to the French pastellist society. Other links needed to other national pastel societies - and I'll add these in due course.
Finally - I've included section headings for all previous contributions so people can see more easily how this entry has developed Cosmopolitancats 09:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Please identify your source for your assertion and quote it. Note that pastels usually have an inert binder and are not "just some loose pigment or filler". Evidence of many pastel artworks would suggest that the support on which they are done is far more frail than the pastel layer. In other words the paper falls off the pastel and not the other way around. The Degas pastels in the Musee d'Orsay are under low light to protect the support not the pastel which, apart from where fugitive pigments have been used, are still in remarkably good condition. Cosmopolitancats 21:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
http://www.artistsmagazine.com/article.asp?id=1736
Added the article by Marjorie Shelley (Sherman Fairchild Conservator in Charge of Photographs and Works on Paper The Metropolitan Museum of Art) on the care and presernvation of pastels to the list of external links
Cosmopolitancats 22:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
I took out some text from the "See Also" that I thought was self-promotion - a blurb about a website that was just started a few days ago supposedly. Emm 23:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
I'm wondering if you draw or paint with pastels. If I know that, I guess I'll know whether I should talk about pastel paintings or drawings! Could this info be added to the article? DBlomgren 16:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
For the first time, since pastels have existed as a medium, pastel colors are available in a pan format in addition to the existing stick format. This is significantly changing the way the pastel medium is being used. And is one of the most important new developments in artists colors generally. I would like to add this to the pastel page which currently talks about pastels only being available in a stick format. Please advise. Pastel2008 (talk) 02:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Reply
someone make a new section about the name of the pastel colors please? (e.g. pink, lime, skyblue, lavender, etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.68.204 (talk) 00:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)Reply
The 'Scumbling' link redirects readers to 'Glazing' article. But scumbling involves application of a layer of opaque paint, whereas glazing uses transparent paint. (see dictionary definitions). I will try to undo the redirect, if no-one objects. TonyClarke (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply