Talk:Sambar deer

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Changes were made recently to two references, without any explanation as to why

• Ken Pearce (1992) Walking Them Up, Australian Deer Research Foundation, ISBN 0959343881 pp. xi–xv changed to Pearce, K. (1992). Walking Them Up: Stalking Sambar. Warragul: Australian Deer Research Foundation. ISBN 0959343881
• Arthur Bentley (1978) An Introduction to the Deer of Australia, Australian Deer Research Foundation, ISBN 0958573212 pp. 32–37 changed to Bentley, A. (1978). An Introduction to the Deer of Australia. Warragul: Australian Deer Research Foundation. ISBN 0958573212

The most profound change was the removal of the page numbers. Page numbers are useful. The point of having references is so that a reader, or editor, can go back to the source material and check for themselves that the information provided is correct. Providing page numbers makes this task easier, so that the relevant section can be found, instead of hunting through the entire book. I cannot think of any good reason that the page numbers were removed.

Other issues include

• the change of the first name to an initial only. Again I can't see any benefit of this. It is a loss of information that could potentially (though unlikely in this case) bring ambiguity and confusion. It appears to be an unhelpful alteration
• The title of the first book as change from Walking Them Up to Walking Them Up: Stalking Sambar. The official Australian cataloguing of this book has the original title - see http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1132356. Confusingly the ISBN is different however, but the only place I could find the original ISBN was here https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Walking_Them_Up.html?id=IaaLPQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y, which does have the fuller title. My preference would be for the title registered with the NLA.
• The updated location of publication for both is given as Warragul. I can only assume that this was derived from the current address of the Australian Deer Research Foundation. However the NLA has the location of publication as Melbourne for both books, which was also the location of the mailing address of the Australian Deer Research Foundation at the time as provided by the notes in both NLA entries (Croydon is a suburb of Melbourne).

I made changes to the references as noted above, and used the 'cite book' template. Jameel the Saluki (talk) 06:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

In looking to chase down the sources I found that there are other editions. The original references did not include the ISBNs - see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sambar_deer&oldid=469443953 These were put in later and are for the wrong edition. Thus the 1978 version of Bentley is required, with ISBN 0724116893 see http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1332129?lookfor=An%20Introduction%20to%20the%20Deer%20of%20Australia,&offset=3&max=1768255 and the ISBN for Pearce is 095934389X Jameel the Saluki (talk) 13:55, 18 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

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