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I think this article should be have Chicago SouthShore & South Bend Railroad merged into it, not the other way around. The name of the rail line does not use CamelCase.
It appears the current freight company does in fact use camelcase, and the passenger line is the "South Shore Line", with no "Chicago South Shore & South Bend Railroad" any more. --SPUI (talk) 11:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Does the South Shore still stop at Ambridge? I recall it as a "signal stop" only, but I remember it stopping there in the early 90s (back when I took the train to work every day). --Mhking 00:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
A map is now available at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:SouthShore.png, feel free to use it --JVittes 06:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Referring to South Shore service as interurban streetcar service is simply incorrect. The route may be the legacy route of the old interurban, but solely heavy-rail commuter trains are operate along it. Today, this is a commuter rail service with a few streetside stops in Michigan City. Calling it an interurban gives the impression that light-rail stock is used on this line and that is far from the case. A distinction should be made between the description of the route as a legacy interurban route and a description of the trains actually operated along it. This is not a streetcar, plain and simple.
Who wants to install infoboxes for all the station articles? ---- DanTD 21:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
I remember trackage in the middle of Bendix Drive south of Lincolnway West (old US-20) in the early 1980s. I can't seem to find when it was relocated to the east side. This page mentions 1975, but I remember it later (I was 4 in 1975). Whether it was used at the time, I don't know, but it definitely shifted from the east side of Bendix to the middle. There is a remnant of the street running visible on Google Maps' satellite - a disconnected stretch is visible cutting between Bendix and Westmoor Street immediately northwest of their intersection and immediately southeast of the current track (41.68487,-86.29356 ; if you use Acme Mapper, you can switch over to "Topo" and see the setup exactly as I remember it at Bendix/LWW). Mapsax (talk) 00:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC) Added View using Live Search Maps "Bird's Eye" view Mapsax (talk) 21:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC) Also added Last but not least, Google Maps Street View Mapsax (talk) 22:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
look at the map. instead of the track going straight to the airport, the track curves around and then comes into the airport from the east. Also, I have heard old timers say that the south shore used to go all the way to Notre Dame. Anyone have more info on either of these topics? If so, please post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.95.242 (talk) 12:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Reply
rolling stock? Patcat88 (talk) 11:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Added ... at least for the passenger carrying equipment. NICTD also owns one GP38? diesel engine and a lot of rail maintenance equipment which isn't documented well enough to reference. Hopefully that also satisfies the expansion request. 71.115.84.208 (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)Reply
Should Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District really direct to this page? I don't believe it should be since this page is about the South Shore Line itself, not the current operator. It seems to me as if NICTD should have its own page specifically discussing it, in the same way that Chicago 'L' and Chicago Transit Authority are separate. NICTD is only the current owner and is seems as though this page should be focused on the history and current operation of the line rather than the funding mechanism and the agency that runs it.
Anyone agree? Lost on belmont (talk) 02:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'm wondering, do we really need the (NICTD) disambiguator at the end of the title of this article? Looking at the disambiguation page currently at South Shore Line, there's only four uses, one of which is a fairly obscure use for the Braintree branch of the Red Line (MBTA), and one is the freight operator for the same trackage, which is already linked here and has a totally different title, and one is here. Seems to me, based on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, that the non-disambiguated title (South Shore Line) should point here, while the disambiguation page is moved to South Shore Line (disambiguation), with a hatnote reading something like This article is about the Indiana commuter rail line. For othr uses see South Shore Line (disambiguation).
Thoughts?oknazevad (talk) 18:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)Reply
{{Infobox rail line | name = South Shore Line | color = | logo = | logo_width = 145px | logo_alt = | image = SouthShore.png | image_width = 250px | image_alt = South Shore line | caption = | type = Interurban | system = | status = Operational | locale = Chicago, ILtoSouth Bend, IN | start = Millennium Station | end = South Bend Airport | stations = 20 | routes = 1 | ridership = | open = 1903 | close = | owner = | operator = NICTD | character = | depot = | stock = | linelength = | tracklength = | notrack = | gauge = 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) standard gauge | old gauge = | minradius = | racksystem = | route number= | el = Overhead catenary | speed = | elevation = | website = nictd.com | map =
| map_state = collapsed }} I'm wondering if {{Infobox rail line}} would be better than the one currently in use. It has the option to contain the map (as opposed to the second box we have to have now&emdash;which looks rather crude) and has many useful parameters. Didn't want to do a sudden switch lest someone freak out and revert, so I'm offering it up here. Thoughts? Lost on Belmont (talk) 14:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)Reply
Done. Lost on Belmont (talk) 19:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)Reply
The result of the move request was: No consensus, pages not moved Ronhjones (Talk) 22:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
South Shore Line (NICTD) → South Shore Line South Shore Line → South Shore Line (disambiguation) - This seems like a clear case of WP:PRIMARY. Currently the disambiguation page, which is at the undisambiguated title, lists three items. The first is the commuter rail operation, which has the abbreviation of the government agency that owns the physical line, whose full name is already a redirect to the article onthe commuter line. This commuter line is by far the most common use of the term "South Shore Line". The second is the freight rail operator that uses the same tracks as part if a contract arrangement. They do not own the main line, and they are already linked from the commuter line article. The third is an obscure reference to the MBTA's Red Line, referring to the branch far more commonly called the "Braintree Branch" after it's terminal. It seems to me that the commuter rail line is clearly the primary use of the term, and needs no disambiguation for the article tItle. oknazevad (talk) 15:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
It appears that in 2009–2010 the ridership on the South Shore Line was approximately 300,000 passengers/month[1][2][3] or 3.6 million passengers per year.
The year to date, NICTD has carried over 1.5 million passengers.
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This month NICTD carried 272,060 passengers. In January 2009 NICTD carried 293,724.
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This month NICTD carried 310,203 passengers. In March 2009 NICTD carried 318,161.
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67.86.74.107 (talk) 03:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
One web source has "3.9 million passengers (down 7.1%). (NICTD)" for 2009. [1] The source is noted as NICTD. 71.115.6.75 (talk) 07:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)Reply
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I'm thinking on placing Metra into the "System" section in the infobox. Are Metra and the SSL in the same system? Cause there is a Metra template in the article. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOPFan300 22:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairlyoddparents1234 (talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 10:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
South Shore Line (NICTD) → South Shore Line – This is a repeat of the move request from 2010. That request was closed as no consensus on the weight of DanTD's objection that this move would rob the South Shore Line of its distinctiveness, and that the Red Line in Boston is also called the South Shore Line. I believe that this was a misreading of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which provides a two-prong test for a primary topic:
This article clearly satisfies these criteria. Furthermore, of all the articles listed at the disambiguation page, it is the only topic which is known primarily by this name. While the Chicago SouthShore and South Bend Railroad is also colloquially known as the South Shore Line, it is located at is proper name. Similarly, while there is anecdotal evidence that the MBTA Red Line is referred to as the South Shore Line, no one has proved this to be common usage, and it certainly isn't more common than Red Line. There are no doubt many other railroad routes throughout the world referred to as the "South Shore Line," as Anthony Appleyard noted in the last debate. If so, we don't have articles about them, or we do but in no case is this usage so prevalent that someone saw fit to add it to disambiguation page. Even if they had, none of these other railroads/routes/services have this exact name. This is the only topic on Wikipedia with the proper name South Shore Line. It is by far the most common usage of the term. Our article name should reflect that. Mackensen (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
Changes were made to the page placing Dune Park in Porter instead of Portage. In the comments for the change it was noted that NICTD refers to the location of Dune Park as Chesterton. This location was dismissed without reference.
NICTD's General Offices are located at the Dune Park station and an address for that station are provided on the NICTD website.[1] That address can be verified via the US Post Office website as: N IN COMMUTER TRANSP 33 E US HIGHWAY 12 CHESTERTON IN 46304-3521
I believe the references provided here should clear up the issue. Dune Park is located in Chesterton. 50.102.174.30 (talk) 00:51, 8 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
– This is a repeat of the move request from 2010 and 2012. The 2010 was closed as no consensus on the weight of DanTD's objection that this move would rob the South Shore Line of its distinctiveness, and that the Red Line in Boston is also called the South Shore Line. The 2012 request was closed as no consensus on the basis that there could be confusion between this service and the Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad and that the primacy of the commuter service was uncertain. I believe that these objections can now be met. First, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC provides a two-prong test for a primary topic:
This article clearly satisfies these criteria. Furthermore, of all the articles listed at the disambiguation page, it is the only topic which is known primarily by this name. While the Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad is also colloquially known as the South Shore Line, it is located at is proper name. Similarly, while there is anecdotal evidence that the MBTA Red Line is referred to as the South Shore Line, no one has proved this to be common usage, and it certainly isn't more common than Red Line. There are no doubt many other railroad routes throughout the world referred to as the "South Shore Line," as Anthony Appleyard noted in the 2010 debate. If so, we don't have articles about them, or we do but in no case is this usage so prevalent that someone saw fit to add it to disambiguation page. Even if they had, none of these other railroads/routes/services have this exact name. This is the only topic on Wikipedia with the proper name South Shore Line. It is by far the most common usage of the term.
Second, in August 2013 this article was viewed 3,476 times. By comparison, Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad was viewed 595 times. The disambiguation page, South Shore Line, was viewed a paltry 139 times. If you search for "South Shore Line" in Google, the top ten hits are all for commuter service.
When our readers think South Shore Line, they overwhelming think of, and are directed to, this article. Our article title should reflect that. Mackensen (talk) 01:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Can someone create an s-rail set for an "old" version of the South Shore? Earlier today I added this article on the downtown South Bend station and proceeded to create an s-rail services box for both this station and for 53rd Street which both saw the loss of South Shore service before NICTD and, by extension, the airport terminal and the name "Millennium Station." I got as far as adding "South Shore Line|CSS&SB" to Template:S-rail/lines before realizing I didn't know what the next steps were. Nothing would need to be different for this set than the standard "NICTD" set except for pointing to the downtown South Bend terminal and using the name "Randolph Street." Aside from these two stations, this would come in handy for a number of other potential pre-1970 stations. Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W (talk) 19:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)Reply
There was never a passenger station here, but there was an electrical substation. KirksKeyKard (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
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In the early 90s when the South Shore was awaiting new cars, bilevels and F40PHs were borrowed from RTA to be landed to the South Shore due to overcrowding. I think this should at least have a little blurb in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nstrainmaster (talk • contribs) 14:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)Reply
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We have two modules for stations: Module:adjacent stations/NICTD and Module:adjacent stations/Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad. The former is essentially for stations that are/were NICTD stations and the latter for those that weren’t. The question is, when did a station become an NICTD station?
In working to create an article for Tremont, I believe I’ve found some situations where this distinction is unclear. NICTD was formed in 1977 to subsidize the CSS&SB passenger service and bought it outright in 1992. However, in 1981, the arrangement between the two changed when NICTD became the purchaser of service from CSS&SB, similar to the arrangement with Metra and BNSF or C&NW/UP. Since the NICTD effectively owned the passenger service at this point, would we consider any stations still open after this point NICTD stations? Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W (talk) 23:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
Since this is a related article, I thought I'd post this here for more eyes. There's a merge proposal at Talk:Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad#Merger proposal over merging The Chicago Lake Shore and South Bend Railway into Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad. Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W (talk) 17:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Since the beginning of the double-track project (which has now concluded), the SSL no longer runs in the street. It is historically important, so perhaps it should be moved further down the article, but I think something more reflective of the current SSL service should be in the main infobox. Perhaps a photo of a train sitting in the terminal at Millennium Station? 38.124.64.203 (talk) 02:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Can someone better describe the 1998-1999 double-tracking near the Portage/Ogden Dunes station as described in this railfan.net page?
Which was the original single-track? Was it Track 1 (south) or Track 2 (north)? And when they say "the line past Ogden Dunes" do they mean east or west of the station? I've been looking for maps or diagrams of the original track set-up at the station prior to the 1998-1999 project, but can't find anything helpful. Criticalthinker (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply