Talk:The International Cat Association

I am leaving this article as Stub-Class. Here are ways to improve the article:

• Move the breed list to the bottom to improve the flow of the article.
• Find more references. There is only a single reference for the entire article.
• Add more sections, possibly detailing the history of TICA, events that TICA participates in, etc.
• Make the "Mission" section into a prose, rather than a list, if at all possible.

Once these issues have been addressed, then request another assessment and/or leave me a message on my talk page and I will take another look. You can also leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! – Ms. Sarita ^Confer 11:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

I had it on this page in the past that TICA is guilty of illegal activities, and someone has removed it, despite it included a direct link to evidence of it on their own website. They've also deleted things from this talk page about the matter. This is in direct violation of Wikipedia rules/guidelines. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia articles to use them as advertisement of your business/organization/person/etc. Wikipedia pages are supposed to be neutral, and thus are supposed to focus on actual facts, not present claims of the subject the page is on as the facts instead.--174.19.244.195 (talk) 05:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

To clarify, what was removed was based off the TICA rules to be followed by TICA certified breeders, which directly tells the breeders they are to sell customers pets that have not been spayed, or neutered... Then, they are to make the customers, after they already own their new pets, get them spayed, and/or neutered, or else they cannot receive the pedigree of the animal. And, they are then to withhold the pedigree until it has been done, or indefinitely. Thus, they force the new lawful owner to do things by refusing to fully give unto the buyer what they paid for until something additional has been done by the buyer, after the business transaction already happened, and ownership was legally transferred. And, the whole set up is clearly to prevent customers from competing with TICA breeders, and to mislead prospective customers into thinking they can have a pet that has not been spayed, or neutered, to cover up the monopoly goal. This is also being done on hybrid pets, which should be outlawed (withholding hybrid pedigrees needs to be outlawed, for protection of the animals, and the owners), because you have to have that paperwork on your hybrid pet, or you get into legal trouble that results in hefty fines, jail/prison time, and/or the animal(s) being "put down" for being illegally owned. TICA breeders are doing some extremely unethical, and officially illegal practices, even in the most unethical of situations to be doing it. And, TICA is the one telling them to do it, so TICA can monopolize the animals. This is a very serious issue, 100% factual (unlike TICAs claims when hyping themselves up to prospective customers), and was proven in my past edits (where I had included the link to their official breeder rules on their own website). But, someone completely deleted every trace of it from both the Wikipedia page, and it's talk page to present a positive image of TICA, and cover up illegal activity.--174.19.244.195 (talk) 05:11, 13 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

For all the argument of a focus on facts over claims, these just seem to be claims and not facts. There is a lot of personal bias in this complaint and it appears that whoever has these issues is someone who is trying to buy a pet cat but somehow get breeding rights without paying for them. First, TICA does not certify breeders, they are a cat registry not a people registry. TICA breeders can sign a VOLUNTARY code of conduct that has suggestions for being an ethical breeder but none of those suggestions are mandates. This code of ethics also includes the suggestion that breeders make the buyer agree to alter the cat no later than 12 months of age. ^[1]. Additionally, per TICA's suggestions for finding a reputable breeder they recommend that purchasers be required to spay/neuter the cat at an appropriate age. ^[2] Most reputable breeders are up front on their expectations and this is not exclusive to TICA, CFA, ACFA and FIFE all recommend having the cats altered at an appropriate age.

If a breeder is going to withhold papers until a spay or neuter is preformed, that is the breeders prerogative and most - if not all - breeders will make buyers sign a contract that dictates the terms of receiving the cats blue slip. If you sign a contract agreeing to spay or neuter the cat an individual is NOT the lawful owner until they have that cats blue slip. This has nothing to do with competition or monopolization, unless you are buying a cat FOR BREEDING you have no right to breed that cat. You cannot register any litters that are bred from cats to which one does not have breeding rights to. Steptacular (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2015 (UTC)Reply