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Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion
"Ensemble Citoyens" translates as "Together Citizens", "Citizens Together" would rather be the translation of "Citoyens Ensemble". This page should probably be renamed. Julio974◆ (Talk-Contribs) 11:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
« Ensemble citoyen ! » is kind of like a rallying cry for citizens to join Macron. Citizens together don’t really convey that idea and seem to mean that this alliance is a bunch of citizens around Macron which is not the same think. So it’s why I think « Together citizens » is more appropriate. Jazerty268 (talk) 17:23, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 2 years ago7 comments5 people in discussion
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Citizens Together → Ensemble Citoyens – The translation "Citizens Together", besides being probably wrong (the most correct translation seems to me "Together citizens!"), is also unused by the sources. In the absence of a certain translation or used by the sources, the title of this page should be the original name (also for consistency with Ensemble!). Scia Della Cometa (talk) 12:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per WP:UE. Since the untranslated "Ensemble Citoyens" doesn't appear to be commonly used by English-language reliable sources, we translate it. 162 etc. (talk) 15:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Support. We don't translate for the hell of it, especially if there is not a single accepted or accurate translation. This is a common misconception. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Support - Per WP:UE, "In deciding whether and how to translate a foreign name into English, follow English-language usage. If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader." This does not have an established translation, particularly looking at these sources ([[1]] [[2]]) reliable sources are either not translating it or translating it differently to this. There therefore is no established English translation for this name. The present name loses accuracy (particularly the exclamation mark) and ahmpers understanding that this is a French organsiation that is being talked about. A GNews search for "Citizens Together" does not even bring up a relevant result for the French organisation in the first ten pages of results, whilst a search for the French name brings up only relevant results. FOARP (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
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Latest comment: 1 month ago12 comments4 people in discussion
I think the political position should be written "Centre" instead of "Centre to centre-right". Member parties range from center-right to center-left, and even green-affiliated left-wing party. The political position of the REN is also "Centre". Mureungdowon (talk) 07:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
There are reliable sources that refer the coalition as centre-right though, so whatever position is listed on their articles does not matter for this one. Vacant0 (talk) 11:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
There are only reliable sources that describe the coalition as either centrist or centre-right. Excluding any of these positions would be undue. Vacant0 (talk) 21:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Checco. Ensemble is overwhelmingly described as a centrist rather than a center-right. The French Wikipedia also describes the group as simply centrist. "Centre-right" should be removed from the infobox. Mureungdowon (talk) 08:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
There are also sources for "centre-left". User:Mureungdowon is right that "Ensemble is overwhelmingly described as a centrist rather than a center-right". It is quite wrong to cite every sourced information, but only those that are overwhelmingly supported by reliable sources. --Checco (talk) 15:28, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I am not, because a majority of the seats of this coalition leans towards centre-right (Horizons 30 seats, Democratic Movement 47 seats, UDI 8 = total 85), not centre-left (En Commun 4, FP 2 = total 6). Renaissance might be centrist, but the total Together coalition leans towards centre to centre-right. 2A02:A447:6A8F:1:A05C:F6A5:B149:7BC4 (talk) 17:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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I agree. Probably, "Ensemble (political coalition)" or "Together (political coalition)" would be even better. I favour the latter. --Checco (talk) 15:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Yes, there is a consensus on that talk page to describe the party as simply liberal in the infobox. However, let's discuss there. --Checco (talk) 18:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 11 days ago44 comments10 people in discussion
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Support. Yeah, these are basically the same construct, even if named slightly differently for specific elections (which is actually not a too rare event). Both articles should probably be merged, preserving as much info as possible. Impru20talk11:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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@Braganza, @Impru20, @Number 57, @Vacant0, @ValenciaThunderbolt, @Checco, I think it's safe to say a strong consensus has been reached to merge the articles and a moderate consensus has been reached to change the article name, would you all agree? If so, who should do the honours? I don't believe I have the correct permissions to do so (or if so, I don't know how to). GlowstoneUnknown (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sources seem to use Ensemble more than Together, so per MOS:COMMONNAME the article of the title should be Ensemble. The disambiguator in this case should only be (political coalition), thus the full title of the article should be Ensemble (political coalition). There is nothing to disagree about this. Vacant0(talk • contribs)13:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is still my preference, and if clear consensus is possible amongst the participants excluding Checco, then perhaps we wouldn't have to compromise on the name, as I'd much prefer the name originally suggested to a variation of "Together". GlowstoneUnknown (talk) 13:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I support both "Together (France)" (consistent with Together (Italy)) and "Together (French coalition)" or variations of the theme. And yes I strongly oppose the French name as this is English Wikipedia. I am sure that also other users will agree. --Checco (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well it looks to me like 5 people in this discussion are in favour of the French name (me, @Braganza, @Vacant0, @ValenciaThunderbolt, @Scia Della Cometa), 1 seems to be neutral or has otherwise neglected to show Support/Opposition, (@Impru20), and 1 seems to be against it, (@Checco). As Vacant0 has said, English-speaking sources overwhelmingly refer to it by its original name, Ensemble, and I imagine that's part of the reason why people are supporting the French name. Either way, it seems like a majority is in favour of a unified article under a new name. GlowstoneUnknown (talk) 02:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
There is a consensus for both options. Be bold and follow the instructions at WP:MERGECLOSE for the merger discussion. But for this discussion, anyone involved cannot close this one, we will have to wait for someone uninvolved to close this. Vacant0(talk • contribs)14:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Best to go by the official date, rather than the presidential majority (which has been used for UMP and PS). I think integrating the EE coalition is a good idea, as it revolves around LREM/RE. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@ValenciaThunderbolt: should you or i replace the notifications on the main articles with {{Merge|Together (coalition) |L'Europe Ensemble|target=Ensemble (political coalition) |discuss=Talk:Together (coalition)#Requested move 16 June 2024 |date=June 2024}} Braganza (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose: I oppose naming any article "Ensemble (political coalition)", while I support a unified article under the current name, that is "Together (coalition)". --Checco (talk) 18:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Checco: I renamed it to the current name, as it hadn't been renamed around the time it changed name. I didn't realise until later that press sites used the name "Ensemble" rather than "Together". ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 10:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support the current title of the page is wrong, since it is not the only political coalition whose translated name is "Together" (there is "Insieme" in Italy and "Spolu" in Czech Republic, for example).--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 09:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose – would prefer "Together (French coalition)", or anything similar that disambiguates using the translated English language name Together.--Autospark (talk) 16:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest comment: 26 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I saw on social media and from videos of a recen party meeting that Ensemble has a new logo, how do we go about updating theinformation here?Rh0809 (talk) 13:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply