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Fack the yids! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.63.82.69 (talk) 21:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC) Ezra, this version is okay if we say who uses the term "Yid", as well as who considers the term offensive. In New York, in the mouths of non-Jews, I suppose the term would be a put down. But in your social circle, it seem to be okay, even desirable.Reply
Perhaps if you identified your social group -- I mean, identified the group which regards the word "yid" as a nice thing. --Ed Poor
This page is very problematic. I am giving a translation of Ezra's text:
Does anyone really think that this is an encyclopedia-worthy entry? I would really like to hear from people who have not been involved in the debate and who no personal involvement in the subject. Danny
"Any Jew no matter how poorly he fulfils his duty to keep the commandments still has a little bit of Jewishness [the correct translation--I happen to speak Yiddish]. This [Jewish, sic]"- Danny, how can that possibly be the correct translation? You've made it clear that you don't have a very strong grasp on the english language. -Lara
Okay, let's see if I can remember this. The word "yid" in Yiddish is equivalent to the English word "Jew". Some English speakers adopted the word as a derogatory term. (Is that right?)
The Yiddish word "Yid" is merely Yiddish for Jew, and we already have an entry on Jews. This is unnecessary duplication. Worse, it is badly written, and looks like it is going to be start of an Ezra-style polemic. This entry should be deleted. RK
The preceding question is correct -- "yid" = Jew and in some contexts may be (or have been) used simply to mean Jew, and in other contexts as a pejorative.
To Ezra and others: I have removed the current text of the article to this talk page. I believe the page itself should be deleted but I am willing to entertaina little discussion before making the vote on the vote for deletion page. Here is the removed text:
This definition is not accurate. AT BEST one can say that some Jews use the word this way. As with many words, it is used in different ways and has several meanings.
There are two things I feel very strongly about, and until some sysop freezes the page or bans me, I will remove the above text to "talk" if it is put back until I, or enough other people, believe the author of the text has responded adequately to the following two issues.
1) As put, this article is a definition of a Yiddish word. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and it is not a Yiddish to English dictionary. Some words, like "Torah" or "fish" or "Judaism" refer to complex topics that deserve Encyclopedia articles. Some words, like "chair" and "soupspoon," or "asiento" or "cuchara," do not merit articles. Ezra, if you want this article to float, you must explain why this merits an encyclopedia article. What motivated you to write this particular article -- please do not explain to me why you have chosen to contribute to wikipedia in general, I think I understand why. What I want to know is why we should have an article on "yid" when we do not have an article on other "chair" or "asiento."
2) In fact, I do not think that this is a good translation of the yiddish word "yid" or definition of the English word "Jew" (which is a good translation of "yid" -- note that depending on who is speaking and in what context, "Jew" can be perfectly innocent or derogatory). It is a polemic that Jews ought to obey Jewish law. OF COURSE some Jews think they should obey Jewish law, and OF COURSE some Jews do not. Simply to observe that some Jews think they should obey Jewish law is banal and to make it into an encyclopedia article is silly; to do so as a way to communicate to others that all Jews ought to obey Jewish law is a polemic and there is no conceivable way that any such a claim could ever be NPOV.
Ezra, note that I did not merely delete the article. I removed it to talk because I do not want to silence you unilaterally. I do not think that this article could ever be successful, but I am more than willing to give you a good try. I just ask you to work on it, try out ideas on this talk page, and wait until other more experienced wikipedians agree that it is a plausible encyclopedia article, or even a decent first draft of part of an article. First, you need to convince us there is a need for an article on "yid." Then you need to develop one that is NPOV and informative and has substance.
Personally, I believe that an article on JewsorJudaism would be a good article for Wikipedia. But you know what? We already have these articles. In the article on "Jew," in you want, put "(Yiddish, "Yid;" Spanish, "Judeo," French, "Juis" or whatever, if it makes you happy -- I have nothing against other languages). Also, you may want to contribute to the article on Judaism. Your essay on "yid -- such as it is -- does raise a genuinely interesting question: why some Jews believe they should obey Jewish law while others believe they should not. I would applaud an accurate addition to the article on Judaism that answers this question -- IF if it can be answered in a non-polemical way
We all have biases and we all struggle to control them. If any non-Jewish/non-fundamentalist reader of this page thinks I am way out of line I would appreciate it if you told me why. Ezra, believe it or not I welcome your response but please think about what I have written. Do you disagree with me, or not understand me? Do you reject what I am saying, or do you reject the whole wikipedian project of 1) being an encyclopedia and 2) being NPOV? Slrubenstein
Mellow down easy, cats. Nobody cut anybody intentionally, all edit conflicts all the way. Here's what I was trying to say (for the third time):
The only inoffensive use of the term seems to be when used in relation to Tottenham Hotspur F.C. , and this usage can be offensive as well depending on who is using it. See [[1]].
What about if somebody is a Yiddish speaker and sprinkles their language with Yiddish phrases like "Mensch or Bubbe"? Surely football cant be the only non offensive context for a Yiddish word (a highly ironic turnaround bearing in mind the deliberate offense incited by some football slogans such as sectarian ones in Scotland and racist ones by hooligans elsewhere!) 92.235.167.172 (talk) 10:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Hm. I see Stevertigo is restoring the biased comments Martha added. I don't intend to get into an edit war over this. -- Zoe
"according to, for instance, Webster" is equivalent to saying "according to, for instance, some dictionary". If you're going to attribute something to a dictionary, attribute to an actual dictionary. I'm taking the clause out, for now. -- Nohat 21:24, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
In my mindset, there is nothing pejorative about the use of the word Yid at all, except if one thinks of Jewishness as something negative. It's really just a an odd but neutral little word borrowed from another language into English, and so equating Yid with Nigger to me just seems uninformed. The word Jew (and its equivalents in French, Arabic, Russian, Persian, etcetera) is far more likely to be used as a term of insult among certain groups. Big Adamsky 17:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
Big Adamsky raises an interesting point. I know several people, including some Jews, who shy away from the word "Jew" as if it were itself derogatory, resorting to circumlocutions like "Jewish person." This doesn't make it a derogatory word.Benami 19:25, 23 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Y word. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 15#Y word until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 11:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)Reply