This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
Check that there's a bold link to the article.
If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
At the upper left
Change {{DYKsubpageto{{subst:DYKsubpage
Change |passed=to|passed=yes
At the bottom
Just above the line containing
}}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->
insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
View the edit history for that page
Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
@Blaylockjam10: I studied the source and cannot find the hook. Can you lead me to it? Bruxton (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Bruxton: It’s under “Regular Season (Complete Stats)”. It looks like it may only be visible on a computer. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Looks like I need a premium membership to view. I will leave this to another reviewer. Bruxton (talk) 04:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
If "S TEAM LEAGUE GP GD GAA SV% GA SV SO W-L-T TOI" and "2022-23 Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg KHL 1 4 - - - - 0 0-0-1 0:00" means what I think it means, then a) you don't need a premium membership to view and b) I think the hook checks out with the source, depending on what "W-L-T" means, although I haven't yet looked at the article. I'm a bit worried about the phrases "submit stats/facts" and "edit profile" I found on the source - what makes it reliable?--Launchballer 11:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Launchballer I saw the same, which made me feel like it was a contributor site. Honestly I was just lost on that page. I think W is win L is loss and T is tie. It is a clever hook which drew me to the nomination, but then I found myself lost for a half hour clicking on pull down menus until I got to a paywall. @BeanieFan11: may be able to help. Bruxton (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not seeing the TOI part of the Elite Prospects link but based on how he played in the game that would make sense. NHL says that he was the goaltender for only the shootout portion in his only game, which would mean that he "officially" had zero minutes since the shootout isn't timed. (Also, I've come across Elite Prospects a number of times – they seem pretty reliable (don't think I've seen an incorrect stat, although I've only used them in writing ~10 hockey articles) and seem to have a staff – also cited ~20,000 times). I'd say it's good for approving as long as the article itself is fine. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Blaylockjam10 I located the minutes played after being guided. Earwig determined that there is some minor WP:CLOP which needs to be addressed. Also probably not a DYK issue, but consider that we probably do not need a section for three words - it should be combined somewhere. Also the lead should introduce/summarize more of the article; right now it is a single sentence. The hook is interesting and the article is neutral with the correct inline citations. Created on April 19 nominated April 26 so the article is new enough and with 2344 the article is long enough. Bruxton (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for the delay. Earwig is at 16.7% - clop was addressed. Personal life was expanded a bit more and the lead is now two sentences. Two sentences are close to a source, but I think we have addressed enough for a pass. Might make a good This might make a good quirky hook.(?)Bruxton (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Its not written in list format? I also don't see the need of having a bunch of subsections in this brief article and how one would appropriately do it? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer and BeanieFan11: I agree that the article could be improved by combining sentences and I usually push for MOS changes, but many are not required by WP:DYKCRIT. Regarding sections, we sometimes feature single paragraph articles at DYK. I will go through it and also ping AirshipJungleman29 to see if they have an opinion. Bruxton (talk) 20:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Articles should be free from dispute tags. If an article deserves one, it can't run per WP:DYKTAG.--Launchballer 20:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think his statistics and how he performed with his different teams is absolutely worth being mentioned in the article – whether or not its sourced to NHL.com. If we remove everything sourced to those we'd end up with only random portions of text without an accurate summary of his career – which I don't think would make sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
If you're right that the secondary independent sources don't come near giving a cohesive picture of the subject, I would honestly question how they could confer notability. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
From a source analysis, sources 1 and 7 are non-independent, while sources 2–6 and 8 (5 is borderline) don't provide significant coverage. I've notability-tagged the article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't think there's a question of notability – he's an NHL goaltender and there's a decent amount of coverage, e.g. this – what I am saying is that by using solely news sources we wouldn't get nearly as good a picture of his career as we would by also using sources such as NHL.com, which help paint the fuller picture. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough, but I think that we can't reasonably call this article a pass unless we use as many of the SIRS as are helpful and then use the non-independent sources to fill in the gaps where we have to. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
There is a problem with this - that many readers (myself included) will not have a clue as to what a 'shootout loss' is. Is there at least somewhere on WP which can prode a useful link for this? I couldn't find one. Surely a DYK should be at least widely comprehensible as it stands.Smerus (talk) 13:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Lionel Messi has provoked geopolitical tensions across China, the United States, Argentina, Japan and Hong Kong due to his absence from a match?
What a ride that article was. QPQ not needed. Earwig has a high score for copyvio detection, but that's entirely due to Messi's paragraph-long statement in the "Departure and Japan trip" section, which has an inline citation to the flagged source. Referencing is adequate and length/newness criteria fulfilled. Hook is definitely interesting and cited in source, not cited inline as exact phrasing but separately so. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Cypp0847 and Juxlos: I have tagged the article for copyediting, as there are grammar-related issues throughout the article (tenses, for instance, are very often incorrect). This needs to be resolved before a DYK run. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
FYI, I'm working on a copyedit and will try to have it posted later today or tomorrow. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Okay, finished my copyedit. I removed the flag icons per MOS:FLAG and shortened one of the really long quotations. The infobox image, while taken from a video released under CC, contains elements which are definitely under copyright. I suggest taking a low-resolution version (100k pixels) and moving it to en.wiki with a fair use rationale, and using that. Please ping me (here or elsewhere) if you have any questions regarding my edits. – Reidgreg (talk) 05:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Juxlos and AirshipJungleman29: Reidgreg has indicated above that the copyright concerns have been resolved. Can you confirm this, and give this a green tick? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 00:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To be clear, I addressed the copyediting concerns, not copyright. – Reidgreg (talk) 03:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@AirshipJungleman29: Hi. Two marked {{cn}} tags are now resolved. Sorry for the delay as I have been extremely busy recently.~~ J. Dann 11:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I still don't think the article is in fit condition to run; I think there are excessive WP:FANCRUFT/WP:SENSATIONALISM throughout the article (see e.g. the numerous tabloid-esque images), and poor writing ("widespread international media attention for the 'mega event' as the "Messi Mess"", "The debacle continued to swell throughout the week", and continuing tense issues like "The government is said to have invited" etc.). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@GobsPint: - The weight fraud articles has been tagged by @Lovkal:. This needs to be resolved. --evrik(talk) 19:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I haven't had much luck finding articles explicitly spelling out scale weight fraud outside the US...though it evidently exits.GobsPint (talk) 21:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Article all looks good to me: long enough, new enough, citations look good, and no plagiarism found. However, this hook doesn't sound quite grammatically correct to me. How about: ... that putting pre-moistened meat diapers in case-ready meat is a form of weight fraud?Luiysia (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Case-ready is jargon. Can it be replaced by pre-packaged? —Femke 🐦 (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Theleekycauldron: It's ready to go. There's some concern about the {{Globalize}} tag that got added to weight fraud...I'm having trouble locating sources for a non-US section on weight fraud...though its evidently occuring.GobsPint (talk) 04:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
New reviewer needed to check the above hook (combining Luiysia's proposed rewrite with Femke's request as ALT1a) and to take a look at the Globalize tag in weight fraud to see whether it's an issue that needs to be addressed prior to approval. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I also just realized that Luiysia's review refers to "article", singular, but there are two articles in this nomination, weight fraud and meat diaper. The new reviewer should check both articles rather than just one, unless Luiysia can confirm which article was reviewed. Thanks again. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Adequate sourcing: - Meat diaper is fine, but the lead section of Weight fraud contains details not cited anywhere in the article, e.g. the sentence about self-checkout machines. Weight fraud also needs a citation for the first paragraph under "Food fraud".
Neutral: - Globalise tag is present in Weight fraud.
Overall: @GobsPint: Checking WP:DYKTAG only dispute tags are an issue, and the globalise template does not seem to fall into this category as described by WP:DT, instead coming under Wikipedia:Template_index/Cleanup#Neutrality_and_factual_accuracy, so I don't think that should block the nomination, although others may disagree. Earwig is not working for me right now but spot checking sources in articles showed no concerns. Only concern is with the uncited sections of Weight fraud. CSJJ104 (talk) 01:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, I just rechecked WP:NPOV and see that the globalise tag is defininitely something which needs to be fixed. I have updated my review above. I did find some possible sources though, not sure if these are of any help in adding examples from outside the US, specifically Bangladesh and Norwegian fisheries. I will let you know of any others I may find. Again, sorry for the confusion in my review. CSJJ104 (talk) 01:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is taking too long, and the problematic weight fraud article hasn't been edited recently to address the issues raised. My suggestion is that this be made a single-article nomination, with weight fraud unbolded, since meat diaper has been passed by reviewer CSJJ104:
You can remove the weight fraud from the nomination. I'm unable to address the global tag with WP:RS, though it would seem self-evident.GobsPint (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd like to see a more internationally appealing hook than the current one because the hook to me isn't exactly impressive or eye-catching (it basically says that Soberano played a role, which is her job). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I guess that's okay too, but do you have any additional suggestions? Article itself seems long enough and new enough at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not from this article, no. This is in itself a hook that has "international appeal" given it's a Hollywood debut for a Filipino actress, which is a rarity. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
The article is new enough, long enough, is free of close paraphrasing, and is adequately sources. ALT1 (the only hook under consideration) is verified in the source and mentioned in the article. A QPQ ahs been done. I'm still not 100% sure if ALT1 works out in terms of interest or if additional hooks are needed, so I'm passing judgement on ALT1 to a third-party editor. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would argue that there's nothing too unusual about a Filipino actress in Hollywood; the fact that she's not American is something, but foreign actors aren't exactly, well, foreign. (signed, an Angeleno, for what it's worth) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd probably have passed ALT1, but after reading Liza Soberano and this, I can suggest ALT2: ... that Liza Soberano(pictured), an actress described by media publications as among the most beautiful Filipino actresses of her generation, played an unattractive exchange student in Just the Way You Are? - but you would need to add that bit from Liza Soberano.--Launchballer 09:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the suggestion Launchballer, I am unsure if adding the latter would work because it takes context out of the main article, instead of the nominated article for DYK, and honestly, I see little value of adding that bit on her roles and awards (as those publications are mostly listicles and generally don't count as awards). Having said that, Alt2 may be another iteration of Alt0 - which is a just another role she played. Thoughts? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd have thought the juxtaposition of a beautiful actress playing an unattractive exchange student would be interesting.--Launchballer 08:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
List is new, long, well sourced, neutral, and copyvio-free, as well as supported with a licensed image (which I doubt will make it to the Main Page). I concur with Narutolovehinata5 that none of the hooks is interesting; on ALT1, for instance, boldlinked article refers to the subject's acting credits, among others, yet only her so-called Hollywood breakthrough is singled out here, which makes her domestic roles inadequate in a way. This can be an interesting hook for a Lisa Frankenstein DYK, but certainly not for this one. Although QPQ has been given, another compelling hook is needed. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
If this is your alt proposal, then I don't think it's gonna fly, either; it's not unusual for most (if not all) grown actors to start out at a young age. Are there any more? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Alt3 seems interesting, but could use some tweaks,
Alt3a: ... that Liza Soberano's early acting roles include playing the third wheel in romance films? Source: [2]
If this is OK with you, just add an end-of-sentence citations on it so I can redirect this to another reviewer. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Works for me thanks. Citation added. Pseud 14 (talk) 23:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT3a is short enough, sourced, and interesting. Let's roll.--Launchballer 23:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I do apologize for the comment given that the nomination has already been approved, but I'm not very confident about ALT3a to be honest. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career as closely as super fans. However, to me at least, ALT3a is a bit reliant on knowing how big Soberano is, and an international reader might not get that context. Honestly I do think ALT2 was actually a better option. Yes it was a role hook, a kind of hook I have mixed opinions about, but the contrast does seem to catch attention and isn't as reliant on knowing about Philippine entertainment as much. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
The argument doesn't make sense at all. You're looking from the lens of someone who knows Soberano and not from the POV of an unfamiliar reader. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career - this is exactly what the hook is for–to peak the interest of non-familiar/somewhat familiar readers about the article. This is not to cater to someone who already knows her or to "superfans", which makes your justification completely ironic, since your comment is from the perspective of someone who knows the subject. Having said that, the article is about her "roles and awards" and I don't see the relevance of incorporating her "perceived beauty" in it, which makes Alt2 a no go for me. The hook is supposed to be about her acting career not Soberano in general (or whether she is considered desirable or her appearance in a particular role). It should be fact about something interesting that she had done as an actress and I trust that the non-Filipino reviewers who have weighed in seem to think the latter alternative works. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Narutolovehinata5 and Launchballer: To avoid lengthy discussions about which hooks are the most interesting, can someone indicate which hooks above are approved (ie pass the other criteria of DYK) and indicate their preference of interestingness? If there are multiple approved hooks, the promoter can decide which hook is the most interesting after reading the arguments above. If anyone has other hooks they would like to propose, they can do so below. Z1720 (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Right now the only approved hook is ALT3a. I thought ALT2 was a better option, but the nominator objected to it and in any case it's not supported in the article. The issue I had with ALT3a is that it's somewhat reliant on knowing that Soberano is currently known for doing leading roles but she started out doing third-wheel roles. That might be interesting to fans of her or those familiar with Filipino entertainment, but without that particular context the post isn't as obvious or as surprising. Having said that, despite the nom's comment above I still have reservations about ALT3a and would suggest not promoting or re-approving it without alternative wordings to ALT3a and/or additional hook proposals being proposed (this includes addressing the issue with ALT2). I'm not necessarily opposed to ALT3a's hook fact but I'm not a fan of it as currently worded. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I stand by the Alt3a wording, as this has been independently reviewed by an uninvolved (non-Filipino) reviewer who suggested tweaks to it. I will let a promoter decide if additional tweaks are needed for the hook. Pseud 14 (talk) 02:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Peewee Jarrett went from having no offers to play college football, a two-year span with no playing time, and being "set on quitting football", to signing into the National Football League?
Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Long enough, new enough. Earwig's down, so AGFing, and QPQ done. The source says "Jarrett played seven games in an Ellsworth jersey before an injury shifted him to the bench." and Ellsworth is a college - am I missing something?--Launchballer 21:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: I'm guessing you're referring to the part that reads having no offers to play college football? I think you're right – I had initially wrote that after reading Two words stand out on Jarrett’s recruiting profile: No interest. The 6-foot-2, 215-pound high schooler held no Division I offers, no Division II offers, no Division III offers – but I forgot that community colleges (like Ellsworth) can also offer athletic scholarships (meant by 'offers'). Maybe it could be changed to having no offers to play NCAAcollege football? Or something else? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
ALT1: ... that over 30 refuge caves, where Jewish families sought shelter from the Roman army during the Bar Kokhba revolt, were discovered in the Judaean Desert?Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
@Mariamnei: Please put a link to the DYK template that you reviewed for your QPQ next to the "Reviewed" line above, or link to it below. Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Mariamnei: Long enough, new enough. Both hooks check out; my preference is ALT0. Not seeing any copyright concerns. There is, I'm afraid, much to whinge about with this. Several sections comprise of single sentences and these should be expanded. Several sentences also deserve {{cn}} tags and these really need to be cited - and if you're asserting that the expounded-upon caves are Examples, then you'd better have a good reason why this meets WP:DYKCOMPLETE. A copyedit wouldn't go amiss either.--Launchballer 12:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Laura Veale was the first Yorkshire-born woman to be qualified as a doctor?
Source: Several, including: Harrogate Advertiser: "Hampsthwaite commemorates North Yorkshire’s first female doctor Laura Sobey Veale". Note: This fact has had to be carefully interpreted. It was initially expressed as "the first Yorkshire woman to become a doctor" on the brown plaque, pictured in the article and written by the eminent Harrogate historian Malcolm Neesam. He meant "Yorkshire-born". However it has since been interpreted to mean that she was the first female doctor to practise in Yorkshire, which would be incorrect. Edith Pechey was the first qualified woman doctor to practise in Yorkshire, but she was born in Essex, so to local understanding she was definitely not a "Yorkshire woman" (they are very parochially-minded here). Veale was born in Yorkshire.
The article was moved to mainspace yesterday, so is new enough. It is far more than long enough and properly uses in-line citations (perhaps even more so than necessary for some sentences). The copyvio detector doesn't find anything other than names of things and quotes that are properly used in the article. The hook is short enough, interesting, and is cited inline. The QPQ has been done and there's no image to review. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 20:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the review, Silver seren Re the "even more so than necessary", you'll find that some experienced editors are doing that for a good reason. For example, if you have a "first" in the article, that is going to be automatically questioned and double-checked, and rightly so. Therefore, it is worth finding as many different, independent sources as possible for that "first" and including them all in the article. There is also the fact that some sources may be accessible to some readers (e.g. readers with a subscription, readers in the UK, etc.) and some source may not be accessible to all (e.g. readers outside the UK or without subscription), so it's worth giving them a few alternative sources. A third reason is that various sources give different aspects to the same fact, and some sources also include extra facts which the editor chooses not to include in the article, but which are extremely interesting. In the cast of historical articles, contemporary sources may give the historical standpoint on the matter. Extra sources containing additional facts may also allow other editors to expand the article. Nothing is wasted in this particular article, and there is a reason for everything. Storye book (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Storye book and Silver seren: The relevant policy is WP:CLUMP, which says that "Two or three [citations] may be preferred for more controversial material or as a way of preventing linkrot for online sources, but more than three should generally be avoided; if four or more are needed, consider bundling (merging) the citations." I'm afraid it would deserve {{clump}}, and I think your explanation on this page would constitute WP:SYNTH anyway.--Launchballer 11:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for removing the surplus reference. I notice there are several unattributed quotes, including (but not limited to) "the first Yorkshire[-born] woman to become a doctor" and the "by all reports" sentence after it, that are not attributed in text, and I think they should be.--Launchballer 19:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Edit conflict. @Launchballer: (1) There are now no groups of more than three citations in the article. (2) Synth is about article content. It does not govern discussions on DYK templates, article talk pages or user talk pages. It is permissible to give one's opinion on DYK templates (how often have you seen the opinion "I don't like that hook"?) Neither is Synth about the grouping together of two or more references which support the relevant fact, and just so happen to contain extra material which may or may not also be useful where the fact is controversial. I shall look at the unattributed quotations. Storye book (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have now added attributions in words to all the remaining quotations, except where the quotations were just one or two words. It doesn't look right to me, because the quotations are already cited at their ends, but I have done it since you asked, to keep the peace. Storye book (talk) 20:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2 ... that despite the misogyny of the medical profession in her home county, Laura Veale was accepted for medical training at the Royal Free Hospital Medical School?
Note: to promoter: Please use the picture or not as you wish, but I am sure that you will not discard the picture on the sole grounds of not being a pretty girl, because she had quite enough misogyny in her lifetime. Thank you.. Storye book (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oops. Forgot that the image is not yet free. Storye book (talk) 15:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Storye book, do you have a source linking the misogyny of the medical profession and Veale's acceptance by the RFHMS? Otherwise ALTs 1 and 2 are probably WP:SYNTH. TSventon (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure that the misogyny of one institution would ever be linked to the liberality of another institution? ALTs 1 and 2 actually differentiate between them. However: try these:
ALT3 ... that despite being denied medical training in her home county of Yorkshire, Laura Veale was accepted at the Royal Free Hospital Medical School? (Source as ALT1 above)
ALT4 ... that despite being denied medical training in her home county, Laura Veale was accepted at the Royal Free Hospital Medical School? (Source as ALT1 above) Storye book (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sure. From those above, I would agree that ALT4 is the most concise and best wording of that one and the source checks out, so for all of those alts in general. SilverserenC 18:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Silver seren and Storye book: even though I was born in the Royal Free Hospital, I don't think this meets WP:DYKINT: getting rejected from one place and accepted at another isn't unusual in the slightest. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The context is that Veale applied to her local men's medical school and was rejected. She then applied to a women's medical school and was accepted. I have changed the Royal Free links to London Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine for Women as that article is about the school she applied to rather than the hospital or the successor school. I am sure misogyny was involved in her rejection, but the article and hook should report what the sources say, rather than what we think.
I have been looking into the background, and it seems that the first English university outside London to admit women to its medical school was Newcastle, then part of Durham, starting in 1893. They only allowed women to graduate after 1895. I have added some sources at Talk:London School of Medicine for Women#History of Women in Medicine in England. TSventon (talk) 19:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TSventon: Thank you, that's brilliant. What do you want me to do about it on this template, though? Should I do some kind of different ALT to fit which source? Or should I import a different source into the article? Or can you suggest a new type of ALT? I'm happy to cooperate if I know what to do. Storye book (talk) 20:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Storye book: I think I should add a context section to the LSMW article as I can't see any more general article to add the information to. I don't particularly think anything needs to be added to this article, but commented as potential promoters don't need to be experts in 19th century education. Hopefully AirshipJungleman29 will respond to your ping in due course. TSventon (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
OK, thank you for all your help. I won't do anything, and I'll wait for AirshipJungleman29 to comment. Storye book (talk) 09:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
A new hook is needed here as the current one doesn't seem to meet WP:DYKINT. It does not appear to be "hooky", or a hook that would attract attention from non-specialist audiences. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not a fan of ALT1 either, but that's the least of my problems with this page, Catfurball. This article, as it is now, is the example of WP:PROSELINE that should be preserved to tell people what proseline is and how to avoid it. Every single paragraph or clause beyond the lead begins with a date—59 of them in all—making for an awfully repetitive read. You can write articles on topics like this that are not proselines; I've done TV stations (WEDU, WFTV, WTVJ just in Florida alone) that have similar long-time-series information. I'd love to assist in giving you pointers as to how to set up more natural section heading dividers and how to vary your sentence structure. Right now, I would not want Main Page viewers to see this article in its present structure. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Sammi Brie: Since you do not like my work I withdraw my nomination. Catfurball (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Catfurball: It is not that I "do not like your work"; in fact, you've put a lot of effort in here. It is that there is a major issue with the way the page is written. You have the referencing and content, but the article prose needs to be reorganized. If you would like advice, my talk page and email are always open, and I would be open to assisting as well. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Sammi Brie: I have done some reorganization of the article. Know for the hook that is problemly the only one that I can think of at this time, unless if you think that one of the notable patients can be used as a hook. Catfurball (talk) 20:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've come up with a third hook (ALT2), which will probably cause enough mild concern to encourage the reader to check out this article.
Created by Vice regent (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.
VR(Please ping on reply) 03:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC).Reply
The notability of the article is questionable. If the proposal is not implemented and is replaced by another proposal (which seems to be the case at the moment) do you think anyone will be remotely interested in this article a year from now? Vegan416 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I do think it’s a significant proposal that will continue to be mentioned years from now. For example, consider the Palestinian proposal at Camp David, which was eventually replaced by an Israeli proposal. Initial media coverage was mainly focused on the Israeli proposal, but as the years passed by academic literature began to pick up on the Palestinian proposal and we can see evidence of WP:SIGCOV in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2017 etc.VR(Please ping on reply) 04:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Issue with all 3 hooks: lack sufficient clarity that Israel did not agree (both before and after). Do you have an alternative suggestion? FortunateSons (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT3: ... on May 31, Joe Biden presented a three-phase ceasefire proposal that was welcomed by Hamas but opposed by some members of the Israeli cabinet? Source: [9][10]
VR(Please ping on reply) 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Vice regent This is definitely better, but I would like an uninvolved person to evaluate it. Thank you :) FortunateSons (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Issue with hook 2 (and maybe hook 3 as well): The claim may be factually incorrect or misleading. Another reliable source claims that Hamas is not ready to give up its weapons: ""Hamas will not surrender its guns or sign a proposal that asks for that,” Arab mediators said Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar told them in a brief message they received Thursday, as two top U.S. officials, including Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns, hold talks in the region aimed at jump-starting long-stalled negotiations." Vegan416 (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
But the proposal is not asking for Hamas to give up its guns? In any case, joining two reliably sourced statements to come to a conclusion is WP:SYNTH. Do you have any reliable sources that directly state that Hamas has rejected this proposal? VR(Please ping on reply) 04:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT0a: ... that Grace A. Johnson initially held the traditional view that women belonged at home, but her perspective shifted after attending a pro-suffrage meeting in Cambridge, England in 1907? Source: Same as above
ALT0b: ... that Grace A. Johnson initially held the traditional view that women belonged at home, but her perspective shifted after attending a pro-suffrage meeting in England in 1907? Source: same as above
ALT1: ... that Grace A. Johnson initially opposed American entry into World War I, but eventually supported the war effort after the United States declared war in 1917? Source: [1]
ALT1a: ... that after initially opposing the United States' entry into World War I, Grace A. Johnson eventually came to support the war effort when the US declared the war in 1917? Source: same as above
Overall: Issue with sections is holding this up. Also, "traditional" is not supported by the source. Culture of Domesticity and separate spheres go into further detail, but in brief the "traditionality" of domesticity is not clear-cut, as it has varied between cultures and time periods; as such, it may be a weasel word in this instance. Third, it may be worth mentioning that she became a suffragist, rather than just that she changed her mind (for example, ... that the suffragist Grace A. Johnson initially believed that women belong at home?) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1: ... that the Vinland Saga anime series took liberties from the manga to properly show Thorfinn's transformation into a Viking as new scenes were added? Source: [2]
ALT2: ... that for the second season of Vinland Saga there was a proper attempt to humanize the slave Thorfinn in contrast to the benevolent owner Ketil who becomes more violent the more he appears? Source: [3]
Reviewed:
Created by Tintor2 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.
I found multiple problems with the article, and fixed some prose, neutrality issues and a copyvio (long quote violating fair use). At this point I've edited the article too much to review it. I just want to caution the DYK reviewer to not rely on the quick-pass at GAN. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Reidgreg: Thanks for the help and advice. I'll try doing the same with other articles.Tintor2 (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT0a: ... that Maud Morgan(pictured) is considered the first American to perform as a solo harpist on the American concert stage? Source: Same as above
Overall: A really interesting person to read about! I think we would need to use ALT 0a, which better reflects the claims of the sources. The only query is on the hook not appearing in the body of the article. If you can add it somewhere appropriate, this is good to go. Mystery Merrivale (talk) 10:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Considered to be the first, sounds unsure but does reflect the uncertainty in the Time magazine source. Is there a possible hook that doesn't include "first"?
@Mystery Merrivale and Xoak: In light of recent brouhahas above "first" hooks, and especially considering the uncertainty of the source, I don't intend to promote either of the hooks, and as this has remained unpromoted for a month I suspect other promoters share my opinion. I would suggest devising a completely new hook. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2 of course would require the bust's picture to work, but that shouldn't be an issue since the image is licensed under CC0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Overall: As noted above, the lede should be beefed up before this hits the main page. Also, given the recent RFC, I'm not sure focusing on the negative aspects of this BLP (i.e., the goat head protest), is going to fly on the main page. It's a very interesting fact, and supported by Liputan6, but something else may work better in the current climate. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Crisco 1492: I've expanded the lede of the article, but I might need some help finding interesting part of the article other than the BLPed hook. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Maybe something like "that Saleh Manaf became Regent of Bekasi even after his party attempted to annul the results?". If we have an ALT, we can allow the admin making the queues to make the decision. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. That should give the promoting administrator a choice and hopefully avoid any fuss at the main page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2: "... that Saleh Manaf was elected as the Regent of Bekasi despite being an underdog in the election?". Tagging SL93. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Spectators follow the 77th Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
... that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania that has received yachties from all around the world for the New Year's celebrations for more than 30 years?
Source: Hall, C. Michael (2008-09-10). Food and Wine Festivals and Events Around the World (1 ed.). Routledge. pp. 113–130. doi:10.4324/9780080887951. ISBN 978-0-08-088795-1.
Reviewed:
Created by Lautreca11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: @Lautreca11: I copy-edited the article. As a tip, refer to WP:SEAOFBLUE, we don't normally link common words or countries. A newly expanded article that is long enough. The article uses sources sources I cannot access, so I am going to assume good faith. The ones available are okay and mention what it is sourced. The picture is clear and free. No QPQ required; this is the first nomination. I am not approving it due to three queries. 1st: sourcing; I added a citation needed tag, that's the only issue. 2nd: neutrality, several sentences are written as promotion sentences written in a WP:Wikivoice tone: For example: "By having a strong main theme and a high profile, the festival is popular and relevant to locals who support this event with their community energy" or "The Taste of Summer highlights the region local produce". It is not the same as saying this: "According to The Writer / The Source, [text]", "The Writer / The Source considers that [text]". I recommend you to re-read the article as if you were the reader rather than the writer and identify these sentences and quotes and attribute them to the source." 3rd: the hook. It is not directly mentioned in the article, even though it is implied, it is part of the rules: "The facts of the hook need to appear in the article with a citation no later than at the end of the sentences in which they appear." (CC)Tbhotch™ 19:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Dear Tbhotch, thanks for your message. My final submition was on the 24th so I am not sure if I can do anything else while I receive my mark. Anyway, do I have to submit a new DYK or is it possible to edit the initial one?
@Lautreca11: Sorry for the late response, this page got lost on my watchlist. As a tip, you can see the template {{ping}} and the editor so they can be notified. Back to the review, I re-reviewed the article, but point three above is still missing. The hook reads: Did you know that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania that has received yachties from all around the world for the New Year's celebrations for more than 30 years? The article doesn't establish this automatically, you can assume it if you read the whole page. For example.
"Did you know that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania" → The Taste of Summer Festival, previously known as the Taste of Tasmania, is an annual event held in Hobart, Tasmania
"that has received yachties" → One of its main goals was to entertain the competitors of the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
"from all around the world" → drawing in both locals and tourists from around the globe.
"for the New Year's celebrations" → Hobart's waterfront is the place where New Year's Eve festivities are celebrated, including the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
"for more than 30 years" → Its origins back to 1988 when the Hobart City Council introduced it as part of the Hobart Summer Festival
As we can read, this is implied, but the DYK rules require the hook to be present in the article and backed up by a source. We have multiple implications that do not necessarily back up the original hook. The all around the world statement is not mentioned anywhere (the word "world" is mentioned twice, but not in this specific context), and "for more than 30 years" is vague because the article doesn't establish that the Taste of Tasmania was the event "the Hobart City Council introduced it as part of the Hobart Summer Festival"; the infobox says that the Taste of Tasmania/Summer has been active from 2003 to 2024. You need to back up the hook in the article with a respective source. Otherwise, you need an alternate hook. You can leave alternatives below with a bolded ALT1, ALT2, etc. (CC)Tbhotch™ 22:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Baubau city filed two different budgets at the same time, resulting it to lose their chance at becoming capital of Southeast Sulawesi?Source: "Beberapa sebab terpilihnya Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara di antaranyakalah jumlah suara pada saat pemilihan untuk penentuan ibukota. Selain itu,terjadi malbirokrasi di mana ada dinas di Kota Baubau yang mengajukan anggaran dua versi dan yang mengajukan dua orang, sehingga terjadi dualisme dalam satu dinas. Akibatnya,kekacauan dalam sistem birokrasi dan tata pemerintahan sangat mungkin terjadi jika Kota Baubau menjadi ibukota provinsi. Oleh karena itu, Mendagri dan Otonomi Daerah dalam keputusannya mengesahkan Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara." Rabani, L. O., Purwanto, B., & Margana, S. (2020). Politik dan Ekonomi di Dua Kota: Baubau dan Kendari pada tahun 1950an–1960an. MOZAIK HUMANIORA, 20(1), 39–56. https://doi.org/10.20473/mozaik.v20i1.15746
ALT1: ... that Baubau city has a fortress made out of coral reefs and limestones? Source: "Benteng Wolio dibangun dengan bahan baku berupa batu karang, pasir, dan kapur. Dalam sistem pengetahuan setempat, bahan perekat material benteng menggunakan putih telur ayam." https://books.google.co.id/books?id=HRHszgEACAAJ&newbks=0&hl=id&redir_esc=y (Page 49)
Not a review, but special occasion requests for more than six weeks require consensus at WT:DYK. I'd also expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT0 at 'time'.--Launchballer 18:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Nyanardsan: Please complete a QPQ, and link it above. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
QPQ added. I also would like to highlight my request once again. I am fine if it must go through consensus at WT:DYK and any modification/ALTs are also fine as long as it mentions the city's name. Nyanardsan (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is not a review but I would oppose the special occasion request. For one thing, the significance of the date is not even stated in the nomination, plus there is no mention of the date in the article. Thus it is not even clear what the significance of July 29 to the subject is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that the South by South Lawn festival, which took place October 3, 2016, was modelled after and "organized together with" the South by Southwest festival?
Source:『It was the first – and you have to presume the last – South By South Lawn. Modeled upon and organized together with the original Austin, Texas, interactive festival South By Southwest, it brought a riot of color to the usually sedate seat of the US presidency.』The Guardian
ALT1: ... that the South by South Lawn festival sign was programmed by Adam Savage and a team from Baltimore to illuminate every time someone made a social media post with the hashtag #sxsl? Source:『MythBusters’ Adam Savage and a team of makers from Baltimore made the giant letters “SXSL” that lit up every time someone posted to social media using the hasthag #sxsl. Artist Nathan Sawaya brought his Park People, sculptures of people made entirely of Legos.』Smithsonian Magazine
ALT3: ... that the 2016 festival South by South Lawn included a panel discussion on climate change led by President Obama and featuring actor Leonardo DiCaprio and Canadian climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe?Source:『The main event was a conversation, led by President Obama, on climate change with Leonardo DiCaprio and climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe. When talking about leaders taking on climate change, DiCaprio said, “I'm so very honored and pleased to be joined onstage with one of those leaders—a President who has done more to create solutions for the climate change crisis than any other in history—President Barack Obama.” Immediately following the discussion was the domestic premiere of DiCaprio’s new climate documentary, Before the Flood.』Smithsonian Magazine
Hiya. The article was new enough at time of nomination (DYK nomination on 24 May, having been moved to the mainspace on the same day, and has not appeared on the Main Page) and is long enough (1737 characters of readable prose and is not a stub). ALTs 0, 1, and 3 are interesting, sourced, and formatted properly, though I would have reduced some of the detail (such as the dates) to increase intrigue. It is up to you if you want to retain the current level of detail (the character lengths are currently 154, 180, and 198 respectively, which are within policy but are pushing its boundaries). I am not approving ALT2: "one of a kind" is too broad and implies that there is something unique about the event, not that it occurred as a one-off.
With regards to core content policies such as copyright, neutrality, and BLP, I did not detect any violations (there is some close paraphrasing, such as the first sentence of the second paragraph of "Background", but there is a limited number of ways to say the same thing). However, there are some verifiability issues with the article:
I think that the basis for initiated by the Obama administration in that White House source is a little shaky; while it is probably true, it doesn't seem to be explicitly supported.
Is there a better source than that Forbes profile for Futurism helping to organise?
More than 20,000 attendees were invited in the article ≠ More than 20,000 were nominated in the source.
General comment about the article (expressly not a DYK issue, more a bugbear): I don't really understand the citation structure – the frequency is very dense when it doesn't need to be (egtechnology and music[1] festival[2], one-day event[7] hosted on the White House South Lawn[8], and climate[12] documentary Before the Flood.[13]). You're free to ignore this comment if you wish.
Another general comment: if you want, there are some nice public-domain photos here that you can add.
As DYK eligibility requires additional work, I am marking the nomination with . Please address these issues before I can approve this nomination. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Sdrqaz: I never got a notification on my talk page from the usual bot about there being a problem here. Weird. The sub-heading of this White House page says that it is "A White House Festival of Ideas, Art, and Action". Does that help any? The Forbes entry is staff written, as are the Forbes 30 Under 30 picks, therefore falling under WP:FORBES rather than WP:FORBESCON. They're not explicitly mentioned in this staff article but if you follow the "media" link for that category of the 2017 30U30 present in the article, the profile is half way down the linked page. I don't think that that source should be a problem there. I have adjusted the 20,000 attendees line. Thanks for the link on public domain pics! I will go through those when I have some more time and add a few. --TheSandDoctorTalk 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheSandDoctor: I don't think that there is a bot that notifies you if there are issues – it is up to the reviewer to leave such notices if they wish. I'll ping you to comments I make here instead, if that's okay. I did see that for the Obama administration issue; maybe I'm being too picky, so I'll leave it. I'll give you some time to find a full QPQ (see my comments at the start) or find clarification at WT:QPQ WT:DYK if you disagree. Would also like to hear your thoughts on the hooks. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Sdrqaz: Swapped out to Template:Did you know nominations/Wan Abubakar. My mistake re the bot -- I thought that there was one but clearly I'm mistaken. Pings are just fine! For ALT0 would that the South by South Lawn festival was modelled after and "organized together with" the South by Southwest festival? work? Would you suggest any detail reduction for ALT1? Curious what you had in mind for shortening ALT3; I think it is interesting enough as is but I feel creating a sense of intrigue could be improved, just not sure how. (Silly me thought I'd saved this comment last night but apparently not...) --TheSandDoctorTalk 14:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheSandDoctor: That is an improved ALT0, in my opinion . Take what I say with a grain of salt as hook-writing is not a precise science, but I would advise thinking about the purpose behind every included detail. As the author, it depends on what you want to highlight about the article. I would caution against writing hooks like sentences in normal articles: too much detail may not leave the reader wanting to know more.
Part of the appeal for ALT1 as written is to attract readers who have heard of Adam SavageorMythBusters. However, there's also the risk that people get distracted by the link and click on him instead to find out more. The team from Baltimore may be extraneous detail if you take a more ruthless approach. For ALT3, the same consideration applies: if you wish to highlight the climate change element of it or Katherine Hayhoe's work, then inclusion of her article is a respectable decision. However, as above, it may lead to distraction: as DiCaprio and Obama are much more well-known, then it may not be necessary to have detail about her. Other ways to make it shorter could simply be just removing "actor" or "Canadian" etc.
I will emphasise that these are just things to think about and you are absolutely free to disregard them as I will be approving the nomination either way. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
A new hook is needed here as the hook may not be interesting or understandable to a broad audience, particularly if the reader is unfamiliar with Shetty. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@19Arham: Can you suggest some additional hooks below? Z1720 (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1: ... that Rashmika Mandanna starred in the third highest-grossing Indian film of 2023 opposite Bollywood royalty, Ranbir Kapoor?
That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@19Arham: are there any other aspects of this article that could be a good hook? Proposing multiple hooks is more likely to get approved. @Narutolovehinata5: do you have any suggestions of interesting aspects in which to get a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not an expert on Bollywood so I'm probably not the best person to ask about this; besides, I didn't get much ideas from a quick skim of the article, but it could just be due to unfamiliarity with the subject. Launchballer has experience proposing ALTs for entertainers so maybe they'd have some ideas. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2: ... that Rashmika Mandanna was reluctant to accept her first Hindi cinema role as she disagreed with her character's views on spirituality? jumps out, although there may be others. Also @19Arham: I strongly recommend submitting an image with this nomination, as all of the images are Creative Commons.--Launchballer 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2 sounds good and can be reviewed, though if anyone has additional hook suggestions that's also appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT0a: ... that Anna Russell Cole(pictured), a devout Methodist, was key in supporting Vanderbilt University's independence from the church's hierarchy, donating to its endowment campaign? Source: Same as above.
ALT1: ... In 1926, Anna Russell Cole(pictured), a significant benefactor of Vanderbilt University, donated $10,000 to endow the office of dean of women? Source: Same as above.
Overall: @Xoak: The article is new enough, as it was created on May 16 and nominated on May 17. It is long enough. There is a source appended to every paragraph. It is written with a neutral, encyclopedic tone, and the hooks are cited properly and are interesting. (The angle of ALT0 is evidently that Cole being devout, a contemporary reader might expect her to support church control of the university; instead, she considered the university's independence important enough to financially support. The angle of ALT1 is simply that she was a fiscally abundant benefactor.) I am presuming good faith about content cited to Tinling (1986) to which I don't have ready access as well as about content cited to Cole (2007) as I don't have a means of accessing the work's first volume (I checked Open Library but was only able to borrow volume 3 of Dictionary of Women Worldwide: 25,000 Women Through the Ages ). There are, however, sevensix matters about which I seek resolution prior to approving the nomination:
First, Cole (2007) is credited to Anna Russell Cole according to your citation. Is the content on page 413 of Dictionary of Women Worldwide a (posthumously published) autobiography by Cole? Or is the name of the author just a particularly unusual coincidence? Or is this a citation reference formatting issue?
Second, Upon returning to Augusta, Cole taught French and German at a local girls' school may constitute close paraphrasing of On returning to Augusta, Russell taught French and German at a local girls’ school (Turner 2000). If you consider this information necessary to include, is there a way to rephrase or reorganize so as to not so closely paraphrase?
Third, the article states Edmund Cole had five children from a previous marriage. However, Radcliffe College (1971) calls him a widower with seven children at the time of his marriage to Anna Russell Cole, sounding like he had the seven children at the time of the marriage.
Fourth, I can't help but think that the article should explain that"Colemere" was the name/nickname of Anna Russell Cole's house in Nashville. I also think her death place should just be given as Nashville; infoboxes seem usually just name municipal locations, not the specific buildings of one's death.
Fifth, the sentence Cole supported international peace efforts, attending a conference in Vienna in 1916, writing an editorial for the Nashville Tennessean in support of Woodrow Wilson, and donating $2,000 to the Democratic National Committee in 1920 makes it sound as though the Wilson editorial and DNC donations were a subset of her international peace efforts. However, Turner (2000) frames it almost the other way: her international peace activism was a subset of her support for Woodrow Wilson. I'm also concerned that this may be too close a paraphrase and would be grateful for some alternative presentation of the information.
Sixth, She also had an interest in the arts and was a patron of various cultural institutions. is cited to Turner (2000) but I can't seem to verify it in that source. I can accept the possibility that my eyes are somehow glazing past it; I just would appreciate the verification being pointed out to me, or a quotation provided.
Seventh, I have questions about the copyright status of the image selected, as it appears to be a portrait painting hung on a wall. As WP:PUBLICDOMAIN explains, [b]ecause an artwork is not published by being exhibited, and also neither by being created or sold, one needs to know when reproductions of the artwork (photos, postcards, lithographs, casts of statues, and so on) were first published. That constitutes publication of the artwork, and from then on, the work is subject to all the rules for published works. The upload on Wikimedia Commons was certainly made in good faith, but it doesn't establish when the work was published in a manner that would clarify its copyright status. Although works created by creators who died more than 70 years ago fall into the public domain if they are only first published after 2003, the source for the image, the Tennessee Portrait Project, reports that it was digitally compiling portraits as early as January 2003, meaning it's not for sure whether the work was published during or after 2003. Evidence for the image's public domain status needs to be provided, or it needs to be relicensed as fair non-free use (because Cole is dead and it is not possible to get a better image of her without just copying this portrait which would be worse to do) and excluded from the hook. [I have struck the seventh matter on discovering I slightly misread c:File:PD-US_table.svg and WP:PUBLICDOMAIN, which states that works by creators who died more than 70 years ago fall into the public domain if they are first published after 2002. As the Tennessee Portrait Project's earliest documentation of portraits was January 2003, this places it after 2002 and therefore means the portrait is in the public domain. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 02:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)]Reply
While these matters are several, the article's in otherwise good shape. I'll be happy to approve the nomination once these are resolved.
Overall: Article properly expanded, no copy vio. Sources used appear reliable. I've done some minor copy edits. ALT0 is rather uninteresting and dull, ALT1 in the hook it is mentioned as "subscription library" and this term has been used in the lead as well, but with no citation although the fact is cited later on in the History section. But as DYK hook rules suggest, the terms used in the hook should be cited in the article somewhat as is. Currently, the cited description in the history section does not mention the word subscription, and the sources do not mention it directly, which is fine here as we can calibrate that easily from the stated info. But it'd be better if you made a mention of that word in that section as well. ALT2 is the most interesting of the bunch. However, it needs a bit of rewording. The source cited mention "due to concerns over Asbestos" but the hooks states directly "due to asbestos". This should be reworded. Moving to ALT3, it feels rather mundane. Ping me once you've made the adjustments. Regards. X (talk) 02:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Xoak: I've decided to lean into ALT2 and ALT3. Reworded ALT2 as you suggested, and clarified what I was going for with ALT3 (the interest part was that it was only added after it was closed). Half-considering adding an ALT4 about how the Modern building was the first such building to be added to the Register, but I'm banking mainly on ALT2, which I agree is the most interesting. I was also thinking of adding another hook about how the 1877 fire originated from Fox's American Theatre considering it was in DYK recently, but I can't find a source that clearly states the connection and I doubt it would be particularly interesting to anyone except Philadelphia architectural historians. AdoTang (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Approving with strong preference for ALT2.X (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@AdoTang and Xoak: I've had to pull this article from queue, since I don't believe that Mural Arts PhiladelphiaorOCF Realty are reliable sources. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Theleekycauldron: I have added another reference for ALT2 to the article Source: [Philadelphia Daily News Tue, 22 Aug 1989 Page 32 via Newspapers.com "The Mercantile Library - the business oriented branch of the Free Library of Philadelphia - has been forced to close due to an asbestos-related problem."]. TSventon (talk) 20:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Xoak:, I have copied the sentences with disputed sources to the talk page and removed them from the article. Can you recheck and reapprove the nomination? @AdoTang: has not edited for a week, but hopefully will return in due course. TSventon (talk) 11:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
A shadow puppet depicting Xiaotian Quan and his lord Erlang Shen.
... that Xiaotian Quan(pictured), the loyal canine companion of the deity Erlang Shen, is worshipped as the protector of pets? Source: Yifang, Lian (8 November 2019). "寵物開刀別擔心！到廟裡找哮天犬求平安". Now News (in Chinese).
ALT1: ... that the Tibetan Mastiff breed is believed to be descended from the celestial dog Xiaotian Quan(pictured)? Source: "哮天犬食日天狗 二郎神神獸 - 大公報". Hong Kong Ta Kung Wen Wei Media Group (in Chinese). 29 September 2009.
Article is new enough, more than long enough, and very well sourced. Hook is interesting and well-sourced, with a minor problem: while the source is Taiwanese, the article does not actually state that the worship actually takes place in Taiwan. Maybe just drop "in Taiwan", especially since the article mentions other countries like Malaysia as well? ALT1 is a bit dull, ALT2 is otherwise OK but "is said to have" is a bit weak. The image would otherwise be good, but it's a bit muddy/unclear and the dog is barely visible. (Not a blocker though, the image is optional anyway). Jpatokal (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Jpatokal:, Thank you for noticing. These days, I have returned to the U.S. and have had no time to edit on Wikipedia. Please pardon me. I have now fixed the issues you requested. Thanks. TheGreatPeng (talk) 06:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, but I'm not actually seeing any changes...? Jpatokal (talk) 12:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Looks good, ship it! Although I don't think the image will work in its current form. Jpatokal (talk) 11:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you so much. I already fixed image blur and color tone. TheGreatPeng (talk) 13:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Request' - Hi, DYK promoter, As a newbie, I have made 4 or 5 DYK articles, but none of them were chosen with a photo. So if possible, please promote this DYK with an image. Thanks TheGreatPeng (talk) 13:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheGreatPeng and Jpatokal: the article contains significant WP:PLAGIARISM of non-English copyrighted sources, breaking WP:NONENGPLAG. For example, the paragraphs beginning "According to folklore..." and "There is also a legend..." are functionally identical to direct translations of the cited sources. The article needs significant rewriting, or this nomination will be rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Now I have an exam and pls wait . Thanks TheGreatPeng (talk) 06:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The article notes: "Thomas, who has appeared on NBC’s “Last Comic Standing” and has made several other national appearances, started comedy after six years as a car salesman selling Toyotas."
The article notes: "BEST LOCAL COMEDIAN BOA AWARD WINNER. Year » 2006. Section » Print Features » Special Issue » Best of Atlanta » 2006 » Poets, Artists, & Madmen » Critics Pick Drew Thomas"
Hooks seem interesting and are supported by references. Article is new and the correct length. However, some of the article's first section lacks inline citations. Once these are added I think it is good to go. TDogg310 (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The article must be based on reliable sources, which must be cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
Every paragraph in the article is cited except for the lead. This complies with the guideline because "that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article" does not need to be cited. The guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Citations says:
Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Although the presence of citations in the lead is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article, there is no exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none.
The subject is not complex or controversial (and none of the material in the lead is contentious), so the guideline does not require citations in the lead. Cunard (talk) 10:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Overall: AGF on non-English sources, although was able to verify the basic facts elsewhere. Only concern would be the last sentence of the introduction: "At least two buildings with this function existed in the city". It is unclear if this is talking about jails, or places where the prefect dispensed justice. @Alessandro57: - Are you able to address this? CSJJ104 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are right, @CSJJ104:, it wasn't clear, thanks. Updated everywhere with sources. Alex2006 (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hallo @CSJJ104:, your concern has been addressed: article moved to plural. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Tyla (left) and Gunna (right) filming the music video for "Jump" in South Africa
... that a fusion of international talent "Jump" by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna and Jamaican singer as well as rapper Skillibeng is a collaborative song which blends Tyla's melodious vocals, Gunna's rap prowess, and Skillibeng's dancehall flair, marking a vibrant cross-genre collaboration that's making waves globally? Source: ' ' 'Source:' ' '
For 6 consecutive weeks, the song has maintained the number one position on the UK's biggest premier chart for afrobeats songs, which ranks them according to sales and streams over a 7 day period: [12]
American rapper Gunna and South African singer Tyla traveled to Johannesburg, South Africa, Tyla's hometown, to film the official music video: [13]
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Comment: "Jump" by Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng achieved remarkable success, reaching the number 1 spot on The UK’s biggest Afrobeats songs chart for six consecutive weeks. The collaboration between American rapper Gunna , Jamaican musician Skillibeng and South African singer Tyla, filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa, showcases the global appeal and cross-cultural influence of contemporary music. The song's popularity underscores the growing recognition and appreciation of African music on an international scale. "Jump" exemplifies the fusion of diverse musical styles and talents, resulting in a chart-topping hit with widespread appeal. "Jump" has earned millions of streams and downloads worldwide since its release.
Created by Qaqaamba (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hooks should contain a bolded link to the article and be under 200 characters long, so I've struck it. Please propose something much shorter.--Launchballer 12:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
162 characters after adding an oxford comma, which I have added to the article title. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
WP has strong precedent for discussing any fictional events in present tense, i.e. "becomes" instead of "became" Orchastrattor (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Magic: The Gathering player Pascal Maynard(pictured), criticized for drafting a card to sell rather than play, founded a Magic card store?
Source: https://dotesports.com/general/news/pascal-maynard-tarmogoyf-magic-the-gathering-2014 -『 Pascal Maynard ... had finally made Top 8, the final table, at Magic’s largest tournament in history and came face to face with one of the most valuable cards in the set. And it was absolutely useless for him. ... Pros seemed outraged that a player calling himself professional would choose the money over a better chance at winning.』 https://monsaintroch.com/2020/nouvel-univers-magique-jeux-saint-roch/ "Le quartier Saint-Roch accueille depuis la mi-octobre une boutique de jeux .... Projet de Pascal Maynard, La Boutique Mythique propose des jeux de cartes, principalement Magic the Gathering." transl. "Since mid-October, the Saint-Roch district has been home to a game store ... A project of Pascal Maynard, La Boutique Mythique offers card games, mainly Magic the Gathering."
... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to forcibly have marital relations with a beautiful woman who had been taken captive?
Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC54817857.; Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 21b–22a
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Created by Davidbena (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Drive by comment: "forcibly have marital relations" should either be changed to "rape and forcibly marry" or attributed to a source, this is far too euphemistic to have in Wikipedia's voice. Rusalkii (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Okay, I'll make the change, although I do think that it is a bit too strong.Davidbena (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
Alt3 (see below) is my preferred hook, as it clarifies everything. I will also go ahead and add "rape" in the main article. As for your question about use of the word "traditional," the word is still applicable today, since Jews in Israel recognize these ancient customs as being bona-fide Jewish traditions. They, in fact, could still be upheld today if we had an active Sanhedrin, which, in this case, we don't. Another option might simply be to write, instead of "traditional," the word "obsolete." This word, however, is tricky, because if the Sanhedrin were ever to be reinstated, these laws of warfare would still be applicable today. See, for example, Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. Finally, I do not understand what you mean by saying that I must supply my QPQ review. Give me time to read-up on this.Davidbena (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To the best of my knowledge, I have nominated four articles on "Did you know...", and this present article, if accepted, will be my fifth. The rules in WP:QPQ state that if I've nominated 5 or more articles, only then would I be required to work on the nomination of another person's DYK. I take that to mean that I can begin doing that now. Okay, no problem.Davidbena (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BlueMoonset: and @Rusalkii:, this is to remind you that I have just concluded the work on another author's DYK (see Talk:Architects' Tombs), in order to qualify for approval of my own DYK. Hope that things can be expedited here.Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I, personally, would not draw a connection between the article that you mentioned above and this article, here, for the very reason that this article speaks about the laws of warfare in ancient Israel, at a time when there used to be a Sanhedrin. A brief reminder of Wikipedia guidelines for DYK state: "Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area" (End Quote). Davidbena (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's certainly interesting – and as someone who was raised Orthodox Jewish herself, I'm well aware of the anachronism. Most people aren't, though, and at the end of the day, it's not about what's exactly said – it's about what message people think we're trying to send by choosing to run certain hooks. Sadly, I remain opposed to an otherwise fine-looking hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Theleekycauldron:, would it at all help if we added the caveat that, according to Jewish law (Talmud, Sanhedrin 59a), the laws pertaining to a ‘beautiful captive woman’ apply only to the men of Israel, but do not apply to gentile soldiers? In this sense, women are still protected under the laws of the UN against rape and other forms of sexual violence committed by soldiers of the occupying forces (The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 [in Articles 13 to 16]).[1] While unto the men of Israel, the laws bequeathed to them by their forefathers are immutable,[2] without the Sanhedrin, this law would not apply today. And even when it did apply, the concession was made only after the fact that, in warfare, a soldier would have given vent to his passions anyway, whether he was allowed to do so or not, and the Torah wanted the men of Israel to be blameless, therefore, it excused the first act of passion. The conceptual-jurisprudential question that may be asked by students of International law is whether or not these laws pertain only to the inner circle of Jews when it comes to conquest by war, or can we say that these laws apply also to the Gentiles although they do not see themselves related to the Jewish law, as they have no access to it, nor do they have any say in the matter. In reply to this question the answer is, unequivocally, "No, they do not apply to non-Israelite armies". Davidbena (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
References
^Gardam, Judith; Charlesworth, Hilary (2000). "Protection of Women in Armed Conflict". Human Rights Quarterly. 22 (1). The Johns Hopkins University Press: 157 (note 55). JSTOR4489270.
^Bleich, J. David; Jacobson, Arthur J. (2012). "The Jewish legal tradition". In Mauro Bussani; Ugo Mattei (eds.). The Cambridge Companion to Comparative Law. Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139017206.017. Judaism is fundamentally a religion of law, a law that governs every facet of the human condition. Jewish tradition maintains that the Torah – the first five books of the Bible that include the Written Law transmitted by Moses at Mount Sinai as well as the Oral Law accompanying it – contains not merely a set of laws, but also canons of interpretation and principles according to which conflicts among the rules of law may be resolved. Maimonides, the pre-eminent early medieval philosopher and expounder of the Torah, records the doctrine that the Torah will not be altered, either in its entirety or in part, as one of the Thirteen Principles of Faith. The divine nature of the Torah renders it immutable and hence not subject to amendment or modification.
Overall: Earwig gives a 50%+ chance of violation. Reviewing the results, the paragraph detailing Grutter v. Bollinger could be better paraphrased, as could the one beginning "In 1997, Orfield..." — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Side note - apparently the nominator is blocked for socking, so this will need to be handled by someone else, or failed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: "Khirbet el-Qutt -A Fortified Jewish Village in Southern Samaria from the Second Temple Period and the Bar Kokhba Revolt"; "Jewish Settlement in the Toparchy of Acraba during the Second Temple Period - The Archaeological Evidence". Judea and Samaria Research Studies8. 18: 177–200 – via academia.edu; "תולדות היישוב בהר שומרון בתקופה הרומית־ביזנטית". kotar.cet.ac.il. Retrieved 2024-05-21.
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Created by Owenglyndur (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the sources cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 21 May 2024.
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism concerns; reliable sources are used. The article, however, can be improved by using the common spelling "archaeological" (instead of "archeological"). This will bring uniformity in spelling, as, currently, both spellings are used in the article.Davidbena (talk) 00:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
A suggested improvement might be to add the word "underground" in the hook, even though the link explains what is meant by "hiding complexes." Most editors will not click onto the link, and therefore it is helpful to add this clarification at the very outset. For example, ALT1 ... that underground hiding complexes from the Bar Kokhba revolt were found in Khirbet el-Qutt and other places in ancient Samaria? (End Quote).Davidbena (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Davidbena: I just removed a copyright violation from the article and will be asking for the effected revisions to be deleted. I have not yet check the rest of the article, but given a COPYVIO issue here and on other articles by User:OwenGlyndur (see the revision history of Ein Gedi synagogue and Ein Gedi archaeological site) I recommend that this nomination should be declined until we are confident that the remainder of this article does not breach WP:COPYVIO. Richard Nevell (talk) 19:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed. I overlooked the copyright violation. If the creator of this article wishes to rewrite (paraphrase) the sections that he plagiarized, there can be some redress to what was done.Davidbena (talk) 21:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note that after the recent copyvio deletions, the article at 1335 prose characters is too short to qualify for DYK (1500 prose character minimum). If it hasn't been expanded sufficiently within seven days, it should be marked as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm really excited about the opening of the Tuen Ma line
Comment: I'd like to request for the date to be June 27th since that day is the third anniversary of the opening of the line and the third anniversary of the phrase being said.
On another note, as I will be going to China from tomorrow until the 30th, and as most will know Wikipedia can't be used in China, I'd appreciate some patience if I don't answer until after that date. I might use roaming to make minor edits or answer some questions before then, but I likely won't make any large-scale edits until after.
Created by S5A-0043 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Comment (not a full review). Per the spirit of WP:BLP, I do not think an article about an autistic boy who became an internet meme is suitable for the Main Page, especially if the full name is mentioned. (The original media reports used 羅先生 (Mr. Law) or 羅同學 (Classmate Law); I do not know when and which HK media started using the full name). The article itself mentions doxxing and negative attention; posting on our Main Page has the potential to lead to further harm. I would suggest not to post this without clear consensus otherwise from a place like the BLP noticeboard. —Kusma (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Valereee and Kusma: I'll consolidate my response over here so as not to split the discussion too much and cause any confusion. For the person name, while the person is indeed referred as 羅同學or羅先生 a lot in Chinese media, the ones I found in English (SCMP and The Standard in particular) refer to the person by the full name Jason Law: [14][15][16][17]. In fact The Standard included the romanization of 哲琛 as well, but I decided against including it since it isn't really a critical detail in this case. My reasoning for the usage of the full name is based on WP:COMMONNAME, which states that we "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" (emphasis added in italics). Yes this isn't an article title but nonetheless since "Mr Law" or "Classmate Law" isn't as widespread in English I don't think it'll be helpful in this case. I'm not opposed to a discussion on WP:BLPN or somewhere else, but respectfully I'm not sure whether it still matters. As in, it's been three years since the phrase was first said. During these three years, not only has the person made further appearences and interviews [18][19], he has even appeared in an official MTR video re-enacting the scene [20][21]. I'm very sympathetic to his experience of being doxxed, but I genuinely think that given the time passage it isn't particularly as big of a deal as we may think. Him opening up about being doxxed was in 2021; he is still making appearences thanks to the notability from this phrase in 2022. If there was so much of a worry, he could've rejected any further publicity and we wouldn't be seeing him in the MTR video. In addition, there's been far less coverage about the doxxing as far as I can find compared to the more positive aspects, meaning most media (and in turn WP:RSes) don't think this is an important aspect to cover either. I hope I summed up my perspective well enough, and I'm open to any objections. Regarding a possible merge as suggested on WT:DYK, my opinion would be oppose. The article easily passes WP:GNG with the number of sources covering the subject, and the MTR video shows that it still has a lasting effect even one year later. Plus, I'm not sure how the article can be merged. I already had a hard time finding articles to link to my article on existing content, and (at least for me) it's quite tough to add details of this event into other articles. S5A-0043Talk 02:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I find it difficult to judge whether he really embraces his popularity. His YouTube just looks like railfan stuff not trying to profit from his viral appearance. Happy to hear other opinions. —Kusma (talk) 09:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Seems like he's talked to reporters, so he's not shy about coverage – but this has to be an NEVENT fail, right? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
oh, maybe not. hm... i do think this would be better merged, but if we go through with this, let's be kind to the guy. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that while reviewers generally praised The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs, one reviewer complained that the author "was so nice about his colleagues that it makes you long for a juicy academic vendetta"?
Comment: I don't have a direct source for generally positive reviews, but I haven't been able to find a single review that didn't primarily praise the book. If this is an issue I can reword the hook to exclude that.
Created by Rusalkii (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that Czech Dagmar Skálová(pictured) was given the nickname "Raksha" because of her leadership in Scouts?
Source: Šantora, Roman; Nosek, Václav; Janov, Slavomil; Dostál, Václav (2012). Skautské století [The Scout Century] (in Czech) (1st ed.). Junák - svaz skautů a skautek ČR, Tiskové a distribuční centrum. ISBN978-80-86825-72-4.
ALT1: ... that Dagmar Skálová(pictured) took the blame for a coup to spare others the death penalty? Source: Šantora, Roman; Nosek, Václav; Janov, Slavomil; Dostál, Václav (2012). Skautské století [The Scout Century] (in Czech) (1st ed.). Junák - svaz skautů a skautek ČR, Tiskové a distribuční centrum. ISBN978-80-86825-72-4.
Cited: - Both hooks need citations in the article no later than the end of the sentence (both have citations at the end of the paragraphs, but not after the sentences themselves), but otherwise good (AGF for offline sources in Czech).
Clear at 100px: - May need cropping to remove the black space in the top half. Also, the caption says "circa 1940" while the article says "in 1940" - these should be consistent.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Minor issues, but overall good once those are fixed. ALT0 isn't interesting as someone who doesn't know much about the subject, but ALT1 is very good (other than a minor grammar issue: should be "to spare others from the death penalty", not "to spare others the death penalty"). Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 22:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@P40fA, Draceane, and FromCzech: Pinging contributors to the article as Evrik is unavailable to fix these issues - if any of you would like to take over this nomination, feel free to fix the issues above and ping me when it's done. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 06:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
List of Green Bay Packers Associated Press All-Pro selections
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Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.
« Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 15:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply
Probably needs a new hook as readers who aren't NFL fans or very familiar with American football may not see the interest of this hook. If a reader does not know what an "AP All-Pro" is or its significance, they won't find the hook interesting. Rejecting ALT0 per WP:DYKINT as well as the old supplementary guidelines (i.e. don't assume all readers are familiar with the sport you're talking about). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
. Requesting a second opinion. By writing out "Associated Press" and adding "recognized" helps clarify that this is a national recognition. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 15:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Will probably have to disagree here. Readers might still not necessarily get what it means to be an "All-Pro" or how it is a big deal. Historically, our sports hooks have tended to underperform and be criticized as only appealing to sports fans, and I can't see how this hook or angle is any different. A completely different angle is probably needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
. Requesting a second opinion. I.e. from another editor please. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 16:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't necessarily love the current hook, but I think the article has potential for something interesting to be picked out from it. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
For anyone reading, I'm commenting for clarity that I am not reviewing this nomination, I just proposed an alternative hook. This still needs a reviewer. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
needs a review on ALT2. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 14:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: User:Alex 21 moved the article to the mainspace. While I am the primary author, a few other editors have contributed significantly to the article.
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Thank you for the extra ALT hooks! I originally had something similar to ALT4 drafted up, but I rewrote it because the source doesn't explicitly state that it was the fourth episode to omit it. While I don't dispute it's a fact, we only have two separate sources that previously three other previous episodes that exclude it, but not that those are the only three. It was a slight case of WP:SYNTH and should probably be re-written in the article, unless such a source exists. That said, I don't have a problem with ALT3 if a reviewer chooses to accept it, but I do of course have a slight preference for the ones that I wrote 😅. TheDoctorWho(talk) 04:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have some sourcing concerns on this new enough and large enough expansion. I have to AGF on the Chinese-language sourcing.
Can we say that "the IOC" praised it as "genius" when their TikTok account did?
The Fox Sports Australia piece is similarly fluffy/listicle-y. The "genius trick" item was actually in SB Nation here, and we should replace Fox Sports Australia with the original source.
I'd like to see these issues addressed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Sammi Brie: I have made modifications as per the issues you stated: 1. updated the ALT1 hook to state that TikTok account mentioned it as such. 2. Updated the link by replacing Fox News with SB Nation. Let me know if its good to go now. Toadboy123 (talk) 03:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1 ... that German sculptor Ludwig Krug created a limestone relief featuring an ape that symbolizes the yearning of flesh being the cause of the biblical fall of man(pictured)?SL93 (talk) 22:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: RL kicked in when I nominated this article. My computer crashed during my Memorial Day travels. I created this article on my backup computer on May 27. On May 29, my busy season at work kicked in. I had to erase and reset my computer hard drive and have been having issues getting software installed ever since. My editing has been sparse since May 29. I am late and understand if this is rejected. This article is a bit half-baked as a result of RL.
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 365 past nominations.
Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer 11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I just had a flick through the references. Per ref #3, there's a hook in some variant of ... that Dr Parvinder Shergill became so fed up of waiting for another film to be led by a Sikh woman that she co-wrote and co-produced her own?.--Launchballer 14:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you both... I'll work on it... sounds good. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2... that British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she co-wrote and co-produced her own?Actor, writer and producer Parvinder Shergill...she's had to wait too long to see movies featuring women who look like her....Bend it like Beckham, 20 years ago, was the last mainstream film to feature women from her background...She co-wrote and co-produced it ...[23][24]Whispyhistory (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Reads a bit breathless. I'm going to suggest:
ALT2a... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
...and call for a full reviewer.--Launchballer 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: X, 1034436770698604544: "Alabama croton, with its silvery undersides on its foliage, balances out this late summer arrangement. Croton alabamensis var. alabamensis is found in the wild in just a few counties in Alabama. We have some specimens planted along our Main Drive,", "C. alabamensis emerges alone on a long branch that is sister to Croton section Corylocroton and the Cuban endemic genus Moacroton", Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
ALT1: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than 1,000 kilometres (620 mi)? Source: "In a surprising discovery in 1989, C. alabamensis was found in central Texas, more than 1000 km from the Alabama populations" Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
Cited: - For ALT0, Twitter/X is generally not a reliable source, and the other citation for the plant being at the Mt. Cuba Center in the article fails verification. For ALT1, the source given in the nomination is different to the one in the article (Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference), and both are offline so I can't check.
Interesting:
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Overall: Thanks for doing a QPQ even though you didn't have to! The one problem is the hook citing - due to the citation given for ALT1 being different to the one used for that fact in the article with both being offline, I don't think I can give this an AGF pass. If you either add the Molecular Ecology source to the statement in the article or provide the relevant quote from Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference, I think I can pass ALT1 (but not ALT0). Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 02:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Ștefan Tita, one of the Jewish authors banned in 1940s Romania, continued to write unsigned pieces in nominally pro-Nazi newspapers?
Source: Sergiu Dan, "Pentru d. Al. Graur", in Dreptatea, 26 November 1944, p. 2: Se întreabă d. Graur : „Ce facem cu articolele nesemnate sau Cu cele semnate cu alt nume?“ — dar eu am spus răspicat că mă mândresc cu tot ce-am scris în gazeta ghetoului, cu sau fără iscălitură. D. Graur se crede feroce când scrie că „d. Sergiu Dan este şi rămâne solidar cu colegii d-sale“. Mărturisesc că eu n'aş fi solidarizat pe unii camarazi ai d-lui Graur de la gazetele fasciste din vremea dictaturei cu ceilalţi colaboratori ai acelor ziare, dar, iată, vreau să-i fac plăcere antreprenorului de Învăţământ [Graur] şi declar că răspund şi pentru articolele unor hitlerişti inverşunaţi, cum sunt şi erau M. Schwartzfeld, Adrian Verea, A. Luca, Camil Baltazar, Ştefan Tita, Isaia Râcăciuni şi alţii ("Mr Graur asks: 'What of the articles that were unsigned, or were signed with different names?' — to which I answer with no qualms that I myself take pride in all the articles that I have contributed for the [Bucharest] ghetto gazette, be they signed or unsigned. Mr Graur imagines himself a ferocious fella when he says that 'Mr Sergiu Dan continues to express solidarity with his colleagues'. I confess that I would not have established links of solidarity between some of Graur's comrades of the dictatorship-era fascist gazettes and other people who have collaborated on those gazettes, but sure, if it pleases the Educational entrepreneur [Graur], I hereby declare myself responsible for the articles of inveterate, unreformed Hitlerites, such as M. Schwartzfeld, Adrian Verea, A. Luca, Camil Baltazar, Ştefan Tita, Isaia Râcăciuni and various others".)
ALT1: ... that educational writer Ștefan Tita gave Romanian students impractical advice about mending damaged bark with bandages of dirt? Source: Ion Manolescu, "'Epoca de Aur'. Propaganda comunistă în școala primară. Clișeele manualelor (II)", in Observator Cultural, Issues 165–166, April 2003: Dadacirea naturii capata accente patetice in sceneta Pomisorul de Stefan Tita (Caiet de lectura pentru clasa I, autori: Cella Aldea si Viniciu Gafita, EDP, Bucuresti, 1974), unde trei copii cu inima nobila si nume melodioase (Tulache, Lica si Culai) planteaza un pomisor si il ingrijesc pina la sacrificiu: in fata atacului iresponsabil cu pietre azvirlite de o ceata de derbedei, Tulache „a alergat sa apere pomisorul cu trupul lui“ (p. 14). Protejarea isterica a copacelului de catre pionierul cu spirit civic si educatie socialista e urmata de un moment de acalmie psihosomatica, in care cei trei cavaleri ai demnitatii vegetale aplica niste cunostinte de medicina pe cit de rudimentare, pe atit de ineficiente: „Udara pomul si-i lipira rana cu pamint“ (p. 15). Cum o fi aratat „lipitura“ ecologica in imaginatia autorului si cit de mult ar fi rezistat un (si asa inutil) „pansament“ cu pamint sint doua necunoscute ale scenetei, in masura sa-i deruteze si pe cei mai fantezisti dintre cititori. ("The moralizing of nature acquires bathetic tinges in the sketch Pomișorul by Ștefan Tita (First-grade Reading Aid, authored by Cella Aldea and Viniciu Gafița, EDP, Bucharest, 1974), wherein three children with noble hearts and melodious names (Tulache, Lica and Culai) plant a small tree that they then tend to with a self-sacrificing streak: when a gang of bullies proceed to throw rocks, Tulache 'runs to defend the little tree with his own body' (p. 14). The hysterical defense of that tiny tree by a civically-minded, socialist-educated Pioneer is followed by a psychosomatic calmness, with those three knights committed to defending the dignity of plants make use of medical expertise that is as rudimentary as it is inefficient: 'They watered the tree and glued its wound with dirt' (p. 15). How would this ecological 'glue' have looked like in the author's imagination, and for how long would such a (rather evidently useless) 'bandage' of dirt have held on, these are the two mysteries of that sketch, capable of confusing even the most imaginative readers.")
Not really sure if this particular hook fact or wording is the best option here. It's really reliant on specialist information, specifically a grade of rock climbing that isn't even a universal or international one. My suggestion would be, if possible, to propose a hook that could be easily understood even by non-rock climbers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Narutolovehinata5: I am doing a GA review of this article. If passed, I would recommend passing the DYK hook as well. xq 11:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
48JCL, please note that the GA reviewer may not also review the DYK nomination. Different reviewers are required per DYK rules. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BlueMoonset: sorry, that is not what I meant for my comment to go for. I meant to say that a spotcheck was not needed as I did one in the GAR. 48JCL 13:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
48JCL, even so, that's still not appropriate. The DYK reviewer needs to do their own checking independent of the GA review, and should take nothing for granted by the fact that it achieved GA status or that some other reviewer approved parts of its review. There have been some GAs that ended up being delisted based on significant issues found by the subsequent DYK reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that the 1846 book The Stars and World HistorybyFelix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that all solutions of the Erdős–Moser equation correspond to convergentsofln(2), yielding "one of very few instances where a large scale computation of a numerical constant has an application"?
ALT1: ... that the only known solution to the Erdős–Moser equation is 1 + 2 = 3?
Pinging David Eppstein if he could contribute to the nomination (either as a reviewer or to suggest hooks) as the current hook seems very specialist or complex and thus may not be easily understood by general readership. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I also think that's better. I was going to suggest something like "... no one knows whether the Erdős–Moser equation has more than one solution". XOR'easter (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have added the 1+2=3 hook to the list. - LucasBrown 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1 is brilliant! Schwede66 04:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Full review needed now that additional hooks have been suggested. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I note that at the time the street was named (circa 1850) it was not known to the people of San Francisco that Green was using a false identity. Might want to adjust the verb tense to reflect that. For instance "after a man who was using a false identity?" Erp (talk) 00:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I wonder if giving a tiny bit more detail might help. "that Green Street in San Francisco is named after a respected local businessman who was using a false identity to evade justice?". Erp (talk) 03:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I believe it's up to reviewers. They will definitely take it in consideration Jacob0790 (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
New, (barely) long enough, some writing issues (sections should not exist for just one sentence, the content can neatly be folded into a single section); no plagiarism, QPQ not needed. The outstanding issue is that much of the article, including the hook, are not reliable sourced: dignitymemorial is in no definition a reliable source, and, for that matter, neither is tributearchive (per WP:UGC). The info sourced to such sites should be removed (will the article still be long enough when this takes place?), and in any case should not be used for hooks. Dahn (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the feedback you gave me since it is the first time I have submitted a DYK nomination. Unfortunately, the only sources that mentioned his age when he became the ambassador to the US and his wife are from User-generated content websites. Sometimes, finding reliable sources of Central African politicians is quite difficult since the country has few online media news. Hence, I have to cite from UGC websites. However, if I remove those sites, the article will still be long enough since it only covers a small portion of the content. Also, it still implicitly states that he was 27 when he became the ambassador by counting the age from his birth and the date he was appointed. Hence, can I cite a hook without citing a source since it is indirectly mentioned in the article? Faldi00 (talk) 00:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dahn: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, but I don't now how to respond. The basic requirement at DYK is that articles, and especially hooks, be reliably sourced -- and the sources used here are of the worst possible kind, alas. Dahn (talk) 07:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just wanted to provide a second ALT to pick from . TheDoctorWho(talk) 04:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment:@OlifanofmrTennant: The episode is not "'inspired by' Black Mirror", the source states nothing about inspiration and neither does the article, so please stop adding it here and in the article. ภץאคгöร 10:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (hecould afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer 20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick'sHow to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer 10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
ALT2: that writers for the episode "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack used by the malicious superheroine Stormfront?
ALT2 includes Stormfront still if desired, but clarifies that it's talking about a character not the website. SnowFire (talk) 03:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It looks like this meets the DYK requirements as far as length and timing. The sources look good. I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia's approach to this topic area, but have you reviewed Wikipedia:Manual of Style/China- and Chinese-related articles? I don't personally see any issues but I wanted to at least do my diligence. Once we figure that out, each hook should also add a little more context for the average reader, explaining a bit more of the who / where. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1: ... that author Ron Chernow was reluctant to write a biography of John D. Rockefeller until being shown a 1,700-page transcript of a three-year-long private interview with the man?
Source: "The archivist then brought out this 1700-page transcript of an interview that had been privately commissioned by the family in the nineteen-teens, privately conducted over a three-year period ... I read about twenty-five pages of that interview, closed it, and called my editor, and said I was doing the book." Frumkes, Lewis. (January 1999). "A Conversation With ... Ron Chernow". Writer. Vol. 112, No. 1.
... that Nathan Steuer(pictured) started tournament-level Magic: The Gathering as a pre-teen, saying the "13 and up" on Magic packaging was "just recommended"?
ALT1: ... that Magic: The Gathering world champion Nathan Steuer(pictured) started tournament-level play as a pre-teen, saying the "13 and up" on Magic packaging was "just recommended"?
Same content just a bit more explicit about why he's a big deal.
This is an interesting fact about scouting. The article is sourced reliably and covers the Did You Know criteria. Moondragon21 (talk) 02:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
A full review is needed as the above review did not check every criterion fully. Also pinging Chipmunkdavis given that they raised an objection to the current hook at WT:DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2: ... that for her role as short-track speed skater in the movie Breaking Through, actress Meng Meiqi gained a weight of 15 kg (33 lb) in order to be closer in terms of physique of a short-track speed skater? Source: 《我心飞扬》曝海报 孟美岐领衔“四朵金花”冲金
Full review is to follow (spot check seems to check out though for newness and length), but before the review continues, I would suggest that the article be given a copyedit. The first hook is probably the best option here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Both the Production and Pre-publicity and release sections are the ones in need of copyediting. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Narutolovehinata5: So I have completed the copyedit on the stated sections. Do let me know how it is? Toadboy123 (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: If there are any alternative wordings for the hook, I would be very much welcome to hear it! It is a very interesting plant that I believe would make a great hook. Thank you in advance to the reviewer for taking their time reading through this article!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.
Starting Review--Kevmin§ 17:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Article new enough and long enough. The sections are all cited, and sources are all of good quality and neutrally represented. The description section is a little close to the translated source text and should be massaged into smoother flowing prose. As an alternative to hook, you could go with
Hi@Kevmin:! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article, and I will definitely take into account your suggestion in a moment (just reworded in accordance to your suggestion, if you have any more suggestions to help with the flow, you are welcome to share them!). I appreciate the alternative hook, but to me it feels a bit dry. I would like to emphasize in the hook how the flowers are torn open by possums. Matter of factly telling people that an animal pollinates plants (both of which they might not know) feel a bit dry to those who are not familiar with plant pollination. To folks who are familiar with pollination, knowing that mammals pollinate flowers is an uncommon pollination method and thus interesting, but its too niche to be hook-y to me. Including the idea that the flowers are essentially hidden away until they are torn open could be quite interesting to someone unfamiliar with the subject area. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Ornithoptera: I can respect that. With the original hook, its long feeling, we should be looking to streamline it. None of the sources used so far have called the inflorescence scales "sharp", as a note. The Amorim et al 2020 paper specifically uses the terms "scrap and remove" and "desquamate" so maybe going with a peeling analogy. Also did you see there is a Dec 2002 paper also lead by Amorim which details bat visitation to the flowers doi:10.1002/ecy.3935 and documents two possum species and a second major scale removing group in the ruby-crowned tanager, Tachyphonus coronatus?--Kevmin§ 20:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Kevmin: Hi! I did not! Fascinating resource though! It sounds like a much improved hook, and I didn't notice that article while I was doing my research! You are very much welcome to insert it into the article, but it sounds good to me! Ornithoptera (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Rating this article as a Start seems... pretty low (is it "developing but still quite incomplete"?). If I may be frank, this review is seems a little harsh. ALT0 was not taken out of context: the reviewer is saying that the documentary was funny, no (see the quote)? I don't know how to address the charge of ALT1 being boring (I thought that something being unnerving and making a reviewer regret watching was interesting), and as for ALT2, I don't really follow: I believe that they did call the hotline in the documentary. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of "original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context", given that it is the same formulation as the source. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as "Concise opinions that are not overly emotive can often be reported with attribution instead of direct quotation" (second paragraph). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL?
Comment: since this seems to be something of a medical claim, the hook should be attributing correctly (Brown paraphrasing his doctor), if it's run at all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: From Rolling Stone UK: "While debut album Mellow Moon was written entirely alone during the pandemic, work on Radiosoul began when Templeman was in the process of moving out of his parents’ house and to London with his partner. Album highlight 'Beckham' playfully details his struggles with London’s exhausting rental market, as he details all the neighbourhoods he tried to live in. [...] He ended up living in none of them, but has now set up a new life in the capital that feels as representative of his move into adulthood as his new album. [...] After the pandemic lifted for most people, Templeman’s lung condition meant he had to isolate further, missing out on more pivotal teenage years. 'Everyone was coming out of their shell, whereas I was waiting,' he recalls. 'Things are about to change, and it’ll all be really amazing, but I can’t think about it too much. It was the same case with the album.'
ALT1: ... that Alfie Templeman described the style of his studio album Radiosoul as "incohesively cohesive"? Source: From Dork: "Radiosoul pinballs around as many genres as possible in eleven tracks without it feeling like you’ve got whiplash when the song changes. 'The whole idea of it was to essentially make a double album in a single album,' says Alfie of his motive this time. 'Just make as many different kinds of songs and piece it all together and make it sound somewhat cohesive. I always said it was incohesively cohesive, even though that makes no sense whatsoever. I had so many different genres in my head that I wanted to go to.'
Overall: @Evrik: Noting the request for 8 July it may be desirable to include in brackets something like (feast day today) after the subjects name, presuming this won't bring the hook above the 200 character limit. I also wondered how you wished to include the picture in the hook, e.g. (reliquery pictured)? CSJJ104 (talk) 20:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Since the hook says "skull of Theobold of Marly" wouldn't a normal (pictured) suffice? CMD (talk) 02:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@CSJJ104: Note that the nominator is currently under a month-long block and will be unable to return until after July 8th has passed, so any discussion about the special occasion request will have to be handled by a different editor. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: Was busy yesterday and forgot to nominate on time; requesting a one day extension per WP:DYKG, which states The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 190 past nominations.
Source: "Maw was also the author of a masterpiece of Canadian cartography, a bird’s-eye view of Quebec City, begun in 1926 and completed in 1932, in which he accurately rendered every single building in the Old Town and surrounding area, complete with a hand-drawn cartouche and historical notes on the significance of the buildings shown. Published by the Alexander Litho Co. Ltd. of Toronto, this map, measuring 27” x 35”, was reproduced in thousands of printed copies sold to tourists and visitors to Quebec for nearly three decades. A copy of the map can be found in National Map Collection, NAC, Ottawa. The popularity of this map led to another commission in 1939 for the Royal Tour of Canada. Entitled "This is Canada", it consisted of a full colour folio of maps of all nine provinces, printed in a spiral coil edition by The Macmillan Pub. Co. of Canada, and drawn by hand by S.H. Maw. The original folio was presented to King George VI & Queen Elizabeth by the Prime Minister of Canada. Just three years later, in 1942, he prepared an equally impressive Map of Montreal for the Tercentenary Celebrations of that city. It was placed on public display in the concourse of Windsor Station for several months. Yet another commission for a map was given to Maw in 1944 by the City of Ottawa, and he prepared a historical pictorial map of the Capital, unveiled at the National Gallery in Ottawa in 1944. This original map was later mounted on the north wall in the foyer of the Convention Hall in the Chateau Laurier Hotel."[1]
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Created by WikiFouf (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Very interesting. The article is long enough, it's new enough. It seems to be well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, and copyvio-free. The other criteria seem to be met, except as follows: First, how is the image PD in the United States? And second, basically, I just have a quibble. The source certainly indicates his works were well known, but was he? The proposed hook does not make that clear.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks @Wehwalt! Frankly, I know very little about licensing and have no idea how to figure out what the map's American licensing is. Is there a database to search through or something? Your other quibble is also fair, "well known" might be a stretch for the current context, if we're talking about him specifically. I do believe he was locally well known (or, at least, known) during his career, judging from the historical media coverage I've read. I found this obituary from the Ottawa Journal which I think shows he was notable in his field(s). So, maybe change "is" to "was", "well known" to "known", or both?--WikiFouf (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Notable has a meaning in wiki-talk, see WP:GNG for example. Maybe we could focus on the fact that his works had thousands of reproductions?
As for the image, it was, under Canadian law at the time, protected for fifty years after death. Per this, however the copyright may have been extended per WP:URAA. This is not a field in which I am expert. Do you know if the maps were also published in the US at the same time?
References
^"Maw, Samuel Herbert". Biographical Dictionary of Architects in Canada. Retrieved 9 June 2024.
ALT1: ... Barry Burton's clanky-inducing lines—like "You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" from the first Resident Evil game were popular enough to be referenced in following games?"
I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the source cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 9 June 2024.
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:
Thank you @Davidbena:, it sounds good to me. Is there anything else needed from my side? PeleYoetz (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'll go over the article again to check for things that I may have missed, but this will have to wait until Thursday, after we have concluded our holiday.Davidbena (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC
Based on the first reference/source that you cite in the article, the tombs are also known as Engineers' Tomb. This alternate name should also be mentioned in the lead paragraph.Davidbena (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: Including two disagreeing sources for ALT1 because there seems to be no consensus on how many covers Miles designed, other that they are in the multiple hundreds. I am personally more drawn to ALT1 than I am the original hook, given that the original cannot be supplemented by free-use images. Feel free to alter the hooks as well.
Created by Joeyquism (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: HiJoey! came here after finding this article from discord. Sources look good, with reliable sources and authors with good creds. Spotchecked a few of them (refer to Special:PermanentLink/1229691544), [3] [13], [33], [69] and found no issues with plagiarism or verifiability (although I would tone down with the quotations if you want to bring it to GA). No need for a QPQ. Wrt hookiness, I don't really vibe with both hooks - the second is wordy, and the first depends on whether people know Andy Warhol. Perhaps you can spin a hook from the third paragraph of the lead? PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 01:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
HiPSA - thank you for the review! I agree with your point that ALT0 requires prior knowledge, though I'm not sure that I agree ALT1 is wordy other than the usage of the word "jazz" twice. As a replacement, how about the following:
...or some other variation? Let me know what you think. For your point regarding quotations, I am assuming you mean the quotations in the reception section, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I'll get to reducing the quotation usage as soon as I can. Thanks again! joeyquism (talk) 02:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: "Gemaal H.J. Lovink" [H.J. Lovink Pumping Station]. Rijksmonumentenregister (in Dutch). Ministry of Education, Culture and Science. Archived from the original on 10 December 2023. Retrieved 8 May 2024.
I understand the desire to make light of his name, but directly saying 'in an alternate universe' and inventing a quote is inappropriate. "The hook should include a definite fact" (WP:DYKHOOK), not an editorialization or humor qua humor.
I think there are other things that are interesting here, anyway, where we can still play with the name without it. ... that WW was a Conservative? ... that before studying other sciences, WW studied botany? Or on the political side alone, I think him falling to third place in 1932 as a relatively long-standing incumbent could be interesting. Tastes vary of course... Urve (talk) 01:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Urve: I apologize that it seems inappropriate, I came up with that hook as an attempt to use his name as an opportunity to make a lighthearted pun since I figured that would probably be pretty interesting to readers. I appreciate the recommendations, but I'm currently unsure of what else could be a very interesting hook at the moment– just saying that he was Conservative for example wouldn't be an adequate 'DYK fact' because that's just stating that he was a politician in a major political party. Any other suggestions? B3251(talk) 20:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
By inappropriate I just mean not the best, not that it's offensive or anything. As far as things like the conservative idea, my vision is like your original hook, where we leave out the middle initial: ... that Walter White was a Conservative? I think this would be 'interesting' in that this is about someone totally different than expected. (Whether such hooks are actually good practice or not, I'm not convinced.)
Otherwise, I think something like this would be interesting, depending on the sources (which I haven't read).
... that Walter W. White, running for a sixth mayoral term, came in third place?
... that at 28 years of age, Walter W. White was deemed too old to marry his future wife? Urve (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Urve: I see what you mean now. I made a couple of ALT hooks, if a reviewer/promoter doesn't want the middle name being omitted that's okay. Thanks, B3251(talk) 17:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
"the whole history of Texas and all its leading personages in a perfect hodgepodge", so true! Article is x5 expanded and long enough. It appears well-sourced, although I seemingly do not have access to many of the sources. QPQ done. As for plagiarism, none found so far. I do have access to one of the two sources used for the hook paragraph (second paragraph of Production and distribution). A couple of points due to this. Firstly, Senator Connally only raised five versions, it becomes 15 only because of nerds and mintmarks and the source does not state that Connally was aware of this (indeed the source is a second-hand account from Connally's secretary). The article also says that Senator Alva B. Adams opposed the bill, but this opposition is not explicit in the source (although Adams is clearly fully up on his coin knowledge). May work through some other paragraphs later, focused on this as it is the sole proposed hook.
As a separate note regarding the mintage table, the way the Assay coins are positioned implies they are included in the net calculations, but they do not seem to be. Also unsure what common practice is in these articles at the moment, but if the coins were intended to be non-circulating this should be stated explicitly, especially in the modern era when there are actually five (mintmarked up to 10) commemorative circulating quarters each year. CMD (talk) 02:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Chipmunkdavis: Thank you so much for such a thorough review! I intend to bring this to GAN pretty soon, and you've already done half my work for me. I made some fixes, esp. to emphasize that it wasn't a circulating coin. Would adding an "inadvertently" between suggested and minting work for the hook? Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 02:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the fixes. I'm really not in favor of trying to find a technical way to get Senator Connally on record for something he didn't say, and I don't think it's more hooky at any rate. Just "five separate versions to increase sales" conveys the intention of the hook. CMD (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, that's fair enough. So just this is a-ok? Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sold on "every year", for similar reasons as above. Decided to spot-check the other uses of Bowers as I have access. Not sure what it is being used for in the second paragraph of Inception. Its use in the first sentence of Production and distribution supports part of the sentence, based on the presence of the second source I assume the rest comes from that, and the use checks out without found plagiarism for the rest of that paragraph. All other uses check out. CMD (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Generalissima: Following up here, aiming to get a hook that won't get sent to ERRORS, which has been more stringent over the past couple of weeks. CMD (talk) 13:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers players wore white uniforms during a snowy NFL game, which made them extremely difficult for their quarterback to see?
Although the hook is shorter than 200 characters (at 185 characters), it does seem pretty long and a bit hard to read. I understand it might be difficult to compress the hook into a more concise one, but if that's possible I would suggest doing so anyway. Otherwise, another concern I have is that it's not exactly that uncommon for Olympic athletes to be relatives of other Olympians, and in any case the hook seems more to do with Sagiv's family than he himself. I'd like to see more suggestions that are more about Sagiv himself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm a well-known athletics hook hater, but this one is actually unusual and interesting, IMO. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 06:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Actually, it’s indeed rare to have two Olympians who are brothers and who also have a father who is an Olympian. And there is ample coverage of this fact in RSs in regard to him and his family precisely because it is notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C1F0:2A4D:7D90:217B (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To shorten the hook even further than 185 characters, though I think 185 is appropriately concise, one might consider changing the lead-in of the hook to "that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics ..." That would bring the character count down 11, to a tidy 174, 26 characters short of the limit.
... that in his book How to Be Perfect, Michael Schur sought to "wade into some deeply confusing and painful applications of moral philosophy... But in a fun way"?
Source: "...Schur makes good on his promise to 'wade into some deeply confusing and painful applications of moral philosophy, stretching and straining and chewing on really tough questions that plague us in our daily lives, that cause us anxiety and anguish and often lead to loud arguments with our closest friends and family. But in a fun way!'" Kirkus Reviews
Source: "Down to the musical cues and audio cast (which includes the actors Ted Danson, Kristen Bell, Manny Jacinto, and Jameela Jamil), How to Be Perfect could be considered a companion piece to the author's recent hit, The Good Place." Modak, Sebastian. The New York Times Book Review. March 13, 2022. pg 9.
... that the Team Disney Orlando building in Florida features a 120 foot (37 m) sundial, the world's largest at the time of its construction?
Source: “The huge, open drum in the middle of the building turns out to be not just an ornamental tower but a vast sundial—Disney officials claim it is the world’s largest—that functions as both a meditative central court and a way of observing the passage of time” [26]
ALT1: ... that the Team Disney Orlando building in Florida features a 120 foot (37 m) sundial, the largest in North America? Source: "This experience with the largest sundial in North and South America led Dr. McCluney to a new interest in sundial design and a search for other sundial designers and makers. " [27]
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Created by Dmartin969 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
@Dmartin969: I will do a full review later. However, I noticed that neither of these facts (that the sundial was allegedly the world's largest, and that the sundial is the largest in North America) is in the article. In addition, the sources say something slightly different for both of these: for the original hook, it's that Disney claims that the sundial is the world's largest, and for ALT1, it's that the sundial is the largest in the Americas (not just North America). Epicgenius (talk) 23:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: "rbor Acres White Rocks’ white feathered birds beat the competition in the purebred category, but Red Cornish crosses from the Vantress Hatchery definitely outperformed them. And as it happens, those two breeds would eventually be crossed and become the Arbor Acre breed – whose genetics now dominate poultry farms worldwide."
"Before long, Arbor Acre’s parent stock had supplied all the major broiler companies in America."
ALT1: ... that Olympic breakdancerManizha Talash said that when she saw a video "of a man just spinning over his head ... I immediately told myself: 'That's what I want to do with my life!'"? Source: same
ALT2: ... that Olympic breakdancerManizha Talash has continued performing despite receiving death threats? Source: same
Not a review, but can I suggest that, if this gets approved, that we run this hook on 9 August? See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Olympic hooks table for background. Could we also have a hook that mentions the Olympics, please? Schwede66 04:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Created seven days before nom and prose is 2909 B. BeanieFan11, do the QPQ and fix the sourcing issue, and you're good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: Bell, John D. (2019). Peasants in Power: Alexander Stamboliski and the Bulgarian Agrarian National Union, 1899-1923. Princeton University Press. ISBN 978-0-691-65544-4, p. 45: "By dawn of the following day, the balance of forces had so shifted that the peasants decided to challenge the troops by marching to Ruse. When they approached the troops the commander gave the order to open fire. The soldiers, however, refused to shoot into the peasants and fired two volleys into the air. The commander himself drew his revolver and fired at the peasants, who rushed at him and made him prisoner. Some of the soldiers allowed their weapons to be taken and the rest retreated."
Source 2: Hristov, Hristo (1962). Селските вълнения и бунтове 1899–1900 [Peasant Disturbances and Rebellions 1899–1900] (in Bulgarian). Izdatelstvo na Natsionalnia Savet na Otechestvenia Front: "Постигането на първите успехи повдигна духа на селяните и положението на стражарите и войниците стана критично. За да сломи нападателния дух на селяните, командирът на войсковия отред даде заповед за стрелба. Но войниците отказаха да стрелят в своите бащи и братя. Не беше изпълнена също така и заповедта „На нож!“. Войската се колебаеше."
Translation from Bulgarian: "The achievement of the first successes raised the spirits of the villagers and the situation of the guards and soldiers became critical. To break the offensive spirit of the villagers, the commander of the military detachment gave the order to shoot. But the soldiers refused to shoot their fathers and brothers. The order "On a knife!" was also not carried out. The army hesitated."
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Source: American Songwriter: " For most of the track, SZA smoothly croons about the disheartening taste in the music industry. As she notices the growing influence of artificial intelligence on the pop landscape, evident in the Robot got future, I don't lyric, she looks to her lover to distract her from her worrisome reality."
Source: American Songwriter: "Surfacing in 2020 on Instagram, the song gained traction on TikTok and became a viral soundbite. It soundtracked a popular dance craze on the platform and fans gave the tune its name."
... that owners of the Narragansett Pier Railroad included a family of industrialists, a dentist, a systems analyst, a lumberyard, and the founder of Textron?Source: A Short Haul to the Bay: A History of the Narragansett Pier Railroad by James N. J. Henwood. Dentist supported by [28] Bangor Daily News, December 28, 1979, page 2.
... that the real-time strategy, tower defense and factory management game Mindustry is freely licensed under the GPLv3?
Source: From article. For license see license from repo; for rest, see Bolding, Jonathan (December 5, 2020). "The factory-building tower defense of Mindustry gets a huge 6.0 update". PC Gamer. Archived from the original on April 2, 2023. Retrieved June 10, 2023.
Source: [29]“I don’t really like to call it a war for borscht, but in fact that’s what it is,” Klopotenko told AFP in 2020. [...] “Victory in the borscht war is ours,” Ukraine’s culture minister, Oleksandr Tkachenko, said on Telegram.
ALT1: ... that Yevhen Klopotenko(pictured) has been called "Ukraine's Jamie Oliver"? Source: [30]People like to call him Ukraine’s Jamie Oliver.
ALT2: ... that Yevhen Klopotenko(pictured) once presented Ukraine's cultural ministry with five liters of borscht?Source: [31]Earlier this month, Klopotenko and his team presented the Ukrainian Culture Ministry’s expert commission with their results, which included five liters of the soup.
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that Cornell College professor Harriette Cooke started the Cornell’s Ladies Battalion in 1889, and the women held drills in skirted uniforms while using wooden wands in the place of rifles?
Comment: The DYK check is wrong when it says that the article has not been expanded at least 5x. It was 810 characters of prose prior to expansion, and it is now 4,059 characters of prose. 810 times 5 is 4,050.
5x expanded by SL93 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 406 past nominations.
Source: [32] "ast week, the call that every minor leaguer hungers for came through. Hutton left the Columbus AAA team at the age of 23 to go to 'the Show'. Yankee Stadium, in the fever of its first pennant race for seven years, and over 30,000 fans present to see Mark Hutton become the first Australian pitcher to start a major league game."
... that ice hockey coach Ryan Warsofsky was the youngest active head coach in the ECHL, then was the youngest in the AHL, and now is the youngest in the NHL?
Source: WCSC ("fifth youngest coach in ECHL history. He is currently the youngest active coach in the league."); The Charlotte Observer ("Warsofsky, 31, will be the youngest current head coach in the AHL"); ESPN ("Warsofsky, who at 36 is now the youngest coach in the NHL")
Source: USA Boxing ("It wasn’t until Golden Gloves in 2022 that she realized her skill and that the Olympics was a possibility. She fought five times in six days and won the event but also won best female boxer of the tournament. 'I fought on my birthday during the Golden Gloves, and I remember winning and going straight to my room and praying.' A passionate Mendoza stated. 'I felt like fighting on my birthday was a sign to me that I was born to do this and to be here in the spot I am today.'"
Comment – I will review this nomination. – Editør (talk) 11:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Review – The article is new enough (created/moved to mainspace on 14 June 2024), long enough (1600+ characters of prose), has no copyright issues (using Earwig tool and two spot checks), and is presentable (based on a readthrough). The hook is cited, but from the source, I cannot make out whether this Golden Gloves was a single-day tournament that was held on her birthday or that it was a multiple-day tournament and that she merely won a single fight on her birthday. If it is the former, the hook is interesting enough, but if it is the latter, the hook is not interesting enough in my opinion. Could this be clarified with a source or can you suggest an alternative hook? The QPQ is not yet done. – Editør (talk) 11:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Kimboo—created by an IvorianFirst Lady—was the first animated series to both feature a main character of native African descent and air on the U.S. BET network?
Comment: Announced for my old article sandbox back in mid-December 2010, but never acted upon till the time I transitioned to my brand-new AFC queue. By the way, here's hoping WP can extend its coverage on African-produced animation in the years ahead. Stay tuned as I prepare for another DYK submission in a couple of days. Take care!
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Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Comment: Recently created. I think the refs and the content needs a quick double check for verifiability and copyvio. However, I think it should be ok.
Created by Chiffre01 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment I have done some copyediting of the hooks. I will also give the article a basic copyedit. Therefore, I will leave the reviewing to someone else. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that a co-founder of Braver Angels designed their Red/Blue political depolarization workshops based on couples therapy?
Source: Doherty, William J., and Tai J. Mendenhall. "Braver Angels: Counteracting political polarization." In W. J. Doherty & T. J. Mendenhall, Becoming a citizen therapist: Integrating community problem-solving into your work as a healer (pp. 93–111). American Psychological Association. https://doi-org.proxy.lib.miamioh.edu/10.1037/0000378-008
ALT1: ... that conservative and liberal participants in Braver Angels Red/Blue depolarization workshops understand each other better if they share political views with their own group first? Source: Oliver-Blackburn, Bailey M., and April Chatham-Carpenter.『‘But I don’t know if I want to talk to you’: strategies to foster conversational receptiveness across the United States’ political divide.』Journal of Applied Communication Research 51, no. 1 (2023): 55-71.
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Comment: June 27-29 is their national convention, so that'd be great timing for a DYK. I'm part of a WikiEdu course on 2024 US elections and I will continue improving this article over the coming week(s). I'd especially welcome advice on the ordering and naming of sections. I'm in touch with the organization and hope to get some images for Wiki Commons and the article.
5x expanded by ProfGray (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: The article does not seem neutral, considering the biased words rarely use quotations, the article also does not seem plagiarism free, with 10 percent of plagiarism, TheNuggeteer (talk) 03:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
TheNuggeteer a comprehensive DYK review would give more specific feedback. Which words are biased or WP:WEASEL? Can you give examples so that the nominator can make the relevant improvements? And regarding copyright violation, a percentage doesn't say much. Checking earwig, I checked several examples and determined them to be false matches, or appropriately used, e.g an attributed quote. If you have specific copyright violations in mind, please explicitly mention which ones. The tooling and percentages are meant to guide the search but are not a substitute for in-depth analysis. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Shushugah According to WP:CONTENTIOUS "racist" and "sexist" (and probably others: racial discrimination, ableism, assault) are words to watch, considering they are not confirmed (regarding the ongoing 2024 lawsuit). I recommend (also according to WP:ALLEGED) to add alleged and to put quotes beside the alleged words. TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also, regarding the copyright, I've changed the checklist from blank to yes. Considering the mistake. TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Added alleged to spots where it was missing and reworded lawsuit to also use alleged. 24.169.15.170 (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
is more than half the diameter of the moon itself? is somewhat confusing since you're talking about a moon. Maybe try: "is more than half the diameter of the Earth's moon?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:1740:67:5967:2CA0:DE70:8F88 (talk) 19:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Pretty sure "the moon itself" refers to Proteus (it's not "the Moon itself"). Anyway, I'll review this. TompaDompa (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think that's the point. The crater certainly cannot be larger than the body it is on. Ignore me, I missed the word half.173.207.93.240 (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Overall: Article promoted to GA (though the nomination template says "created") on 7 June, and is well beyond the required minimum length. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the material they are cited for. There are no obvious neutrality issues. Earwig reveals no copyvio, and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. The hook is interesting, but see below about the sourcing. I don't think the meaning of "the moon itself" is unclear, but it could optionally be replaced with "Proteus itself" if others feel differently. There is no image in the nomination, but File:Proteus_(Voyager_2).jpg could be used as it is public domain (by NASA), used in the article, and clear (enough) at the resolution used on the WP:Main page. QPQ has been done. Some comments about the content:
I have, to the best of my ability, added inline page numbers for the relatively lengthy sources. Please check if I got it right.
a diameter of around 250 km (160 mi) in diameter – redundant.
Fixed -Ark
a small moon orbiting unusually close to Proteus – should probably clarify that it orbits Neptune unusually close to Proteus, as opposed to orbiting Proteus at an unusually close distance.
Rephrased as ... a small moon whose orbit is unusually close to Proteus's. -Ark
Pharos was first discovered in the Voyager 2 spacecraft's flybyofNeptune and its system of moons in 1989, being one of the first identifiable features on Proteus. – going by the source, Proteus itself seems to have been discovered at this time too, no? That should probably be mentioned in some way.
Good catch! Briefly mentioned Proteus's discovery just ~2 months prior per its discovery announcement in an IAU circular. -Ark
The impact basin was provisionally named in a 1992 paper by Steven K. Croft after the island of Pharos – I don't find this in the cited source? It says that the largest basin-like structure on Proteus has been provisionally named Pharos (Croft, 1992), but doesn't seem to mention anything about the etymology.
Etymology attributed to the USGS/GPN source at the end of paragraph, duplicated to end of sentence as well. -Ark
With a calculated diameter of 255 ± 12 km (158.4 ± 7.5 mi), Pharos is by far the largest known impact structure on Proteus. – I don't find this in the cited source?
Sloppy attribution on my part, the latter portion should be attributed to Stooke 1994 p. 47 The largest crater or basin, Pharos (Figure 9), is really one of the facets already described.... I realized I'd omitted apparently varying estimated diameters between Stooke 1994 and Croft 1992, so I've changed it to With a diameter between 230 and 267 kilometres... with an explanatory efn. -Ark
this makes Pharos over half the size of the satellite itself – I don't find this in the cited source, either. On the one hand, this size comparison is a WP:Routine calculation. On the other however, this comparison really needs to come explicitly from the sources if it is to be used for the hook.
Attributed to Croft 1992 p. 410 table on crater diameter to object radius ratio; it gives a D/R ratio of 1.22 for Pharos. -Ark
Right, but do any of the sources point this out explicitly? It's verifiable from the sources, which is fine for the article as such, but if we are to use it for a DYK hook we need to be a bit stricter. TompaDompa (talk) 19:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To clarify, I understand what you're getting at: a crater diameter to object radius ratio above 1 is equivalent to the crater being more than half the size of the object. Which is of course true, but (to my eye, at least) not the kind of sourcing we should base DYK hooks on. If this remains the sole point of contention when we're done with the rest, I suggest we request a second opinion on this specific issue. TompaDompa (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
In this case, I'll refer to DYK nominator FormalDude on whether or not they wish to request a second opinion. -Ark
Pharos is a relatively degraded crater [...] bringing Pharos's total diameter to between 500 and 550 km (310 and 340 mi). – I have been unable to access the cited page (694) of one of the two sources cited here. Roughly the second half (from A series of depressions to the end of the paragraph) appears to come from the source I am able to access, suggesting that the rest (up to apeak-ring impact basin.) is from the other one. Could you provide page 694 from Neptune and Triton for verification?
Should include material from p. 693, this is now fixed. The particular excerpt is The most remarkable aspects of this impact basin are the roughly concentric structures of indeterminable morphology which occur at radii of up to 250 krn from the center (Fig. 5). Although these structures have been interpreted variously by different workers 694 P. C. THOMAS ET AL. (compare Croft 1992; Smith et al. 1989), there is little question that a series of approximately concentric markings is present. Also from the other source: Several depressions surround Pharos, particularly... -Ark
I don't see how that verifies Pharos is a relatively degraded crater, bound by an outer incomplete scarp interrupted by subsequent impacts. The floor of Pharos appears to be domed, but nevertheless lacks a clear central peak that characterizes central-peak impact craters. However, there may be a peak-ring structure with a diameter approximately half that of Pharos's outer rim.?TompaDompa (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Largely from p. 694 of Neptune and Triton: Based on the shape model and on shadowing relations, topography within the large impact depression extends over at least 10 km. There is no evidence of a central peak, but there are suggestions of a peak-ring of a diameter about 1/2 that of the outer walls. and from Fig. 10 of Stooke 1994, with the caption using "rim segments" to outline Pharos. -Ark
bringing Pharos's total diameter to between 500 and 550 km (310 and 340 mi). – that would be larger than the diameter of Proteus itself (a point also made by the cited source). Further explanation seems warranted.
Mentioned, and additionally clarified that this suggestion is unconfirmed. -Ark
acryovolcanic origin is unlikely – the source does not specify cryovolcanic, it says volcanic.
Proteus is an icy body (per Proteus: Geology, Shape, and Catastrophic Destruction: Thus Proteus is a transitional object in the irregular-spherical shape spectrum for icy satellites...), therefore any volcanic activity automatically falls under cryovolcanism. However, since it's not explained in the source, an efn or a change to the more general "geological activity" may be warranted. Which option would be more preferable? -Ark
Well, the source says The description of this as a dome does not imply a volcanic origin. Volcanism would not be expected on an object the size of Proteus, particularly since its non-spherical shape suggests it has never experienced significant heating. Negating "geological activity" would be making a stronger statement than the source does inasmuch as it would rule out things the source does not explicitly (not that I would expect anybody to suggest that it's the result of plate tectonics, but still). TompaDompa (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, alternatively other sources utilize the term "cryovolcanism" instead of simply "volcanism", and make no mention of silicate volcanism, incl. Croft 1992: Neither probable cryovolcanic structures such as the coronae on Miranda nor smooth areas suggestive of cryovolcanic resurfacing are discernable on Proteus. Would this be sufficient for an efn? -Ark
This is a bit outside of my wheelhouse, but that sounds like synthesis to me. TompaDompa (talk) 20:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
As the valley appears to extend beyond the terminatorinVoyager 2 imagery, it likely is longer. – this is a much stronger statement than the cited source makes (It may extend further north along the terminator.).
Changed to As the valley appears to extend along the terminator in Voyager 2 imagery, it may continue further north. -Ark
As violent impacts were more common early in the Solar System's history, Pharos is likely several billion years old. – this is not what the cited source says. It says because the impactor flux was higher early in the solar system's history, Hippocamp is most likely at least a few Gy old., which has here apparently been combined with the source's We hypothesize that a large impact, perhaps the Pharos event itself, released debris from Proteus into orbit around Neptune. Some of this debris settled into a stable orbit perhaps 1,000–2,000 km (a few Hill radii) interior to Proteus, and accreted into Hippocamp. by way of WP:Improper editorial synthesis to generate the statement in the article.
Addressed; moved into the "Effects on other Neptunian moons" subsection. -Ark
Nevertheless, that Pharos's structure is relatively well-preserved – this seems to contradict the earlier Pharos is a relatively degraded crater.
Addressed, additionally mentioning the point about resurfacing from the source Proteus was brought near the point of significant disturbance of its preexisting surface. -Ark
A system of possible tectonic faults and fractures both concentric and radially oriented to Pharos – maybe I'm missing something, but this seems to seriously overstate the confidence either cited source places in there being real (as opposed to illusory/artefactual) linear structures radial to Pharos. They speak a fair deal about concentric structures, on the other hand.
Addressed, attributing caution to Croft 1992 p. 407 -Ark
Due to Triton's retrograde—or backwards—orbital motion, fragments would impact at velocities of roughly 7.5 km/s (17,000 mph) relative to Triton – the cited source does not say that this is the reason the impact velocity would be of this magnitude.
Addressed. -Ark
Not a DYK requirement, but WP:NOTSEEALSO suggests avoiding repeating links from the body in the "See also" section.
Thanks for the review, TompaDompa! I'm going to give some time for ArkHyena and Cocobb8 to respond first. If these issues aren't resolved in a few days, I'll take a crack at it myself. ––FormalDude(talk) 10:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the ping TompaDompa! I think that the hook is interesting indeed, but I personally thing it should be "Proteus" itself instead of "the moon", so as to not have confusion with Earth's satellite. I agree with the comments for improvements you listed above! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello, I appreciate all the feedback! I've addressed a couple minor points. Unfortunately, I will be flying out later today, so I myself won't be able to do much more until Tuesday (UTC-7:00). Apologies if this delay causes any issues. ArkHyena (talk) 18:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
TompaDompa, most major points above should be addressed now (with two awaiting reply) :) Again, apologies for the delay, it's been a busy week for me. ArkHyena (talk) 00:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith(talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith(talk) 19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@AmadavadiA{{cn}} tag needs to be resolved in the Festival section, also a more academic source would be prefered for the hook (I'm unsure about the reliability of historified.in). Sohom (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Amadavadi has alleviated my concerns, however, I've made a few copy edits to the hook and would recuse from doing a full review. It would be nice to get a second review to approve the article. Sohom (talk) 20:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: Was away yesterday and didn't get the chance to nominate it in time; requesting extension per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines (The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.)
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 196 past nominations.
HiClassicwiki, I've had a quick look at this one. I've made a couple of changes to improve grammar but there are two sections that need citations for the article to be eligible for DYK. Let me know if you can fix these and I will come back to complete the review. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 09:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dumelow, some of the information had to be stripped, but tried to address the CN tags the best I could. Let me know what you think. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 04:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Mezbalogh, @Alalch E., @MtBotany, do you know the source of the new count in 2022 which found approximately 900 individuals? I cannot find the survey. Right now I only find sources for the ~400 count. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Classicwiki Mezbalogh was the editor who added that information. It was unclear where they got it from. I left it in while looking for a good source, but was not able to find the 900. I did find a presentation from Nevada Division of Natural Heritage saying 725. I've updated the article to reflect this. That work okay? 🌿MtBotany (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Mezbalogh is the creator of this article and an entirely new editor unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy who had added some of their (explicitly) original research to the original version and first few revisions. So they probably got it from their individual, original, research.—Alalch E. 23:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks all, changes made look good. Classicwiki, I will complete the DYK review: Article created 18 June and is of good length; sources used look to be reliable for the content cited; I don't have access to all the sources but didn't find any issue with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck; hooks are interesting and stated in the article (I amended ALT0 to "around two desert springs" as there is a third cluster nearby), AGF on sourcing to journal I don't have access to; image is good and properly licensed; a QPQ is not required in this case. Should be good to go. I just had one remaining query on a part of the text that discusses recreational use of the area and links this to invasive weeds, which I couldn't find in the source. Once this is sorted it will be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 08:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Steve Elcock's Symphony no. 6 is dedicated to "the everlasting execration of self-serving politicians, the obscenely rich and the system that allows them to remain so"?
Source: Whitehouse, Richard (2021). "A Symphonic Odyssey", in Musical Opinion, issue 1528 (July-September 2021), p.8
Not a review, but "that many reports and academic publications were produced by Fox and collaborators in order to obtain both scientific and financial support for truths?" would make a cracking April Fools' hook.--Launchballer 13:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1: ... that the Vancouver School Board's alleged attempt to censor a student newspaper led to the drafting of a press freedom act? Source: Same as the original hook.
Source: Hartiningsih, Maria; Pambudy, Ninuk M (4 February 2006). "Persona: Melani Budianta Mendobrak Batas-batas" [People: Melani Budianta, Breaking Barriers]. Kompas (in Indonesian). p. 12.
ALT1: ... that Melani Budianta used street gangs and Moonies in Los Angeles to reflect on the state of democracy in Indonesia? Source: "Alumni & Voices: Melani Budianta". American Indonesian Exchange Foundation. 8 February 2022. Archived from the original on 10 June 2024. Retrieved 19 June 2024.
ALT2: ... that Melani Budianta's family only allowed books and crafts as birthday presents? Source: Pandu, Pradipta (24 August 2023). "Persona: Melani Budianta Mendobrak Batas-batas" [People: Melani Budianta, Breaking Barriers]. Kompas (in Indonesian). Archived from the original on 19 June 2024. Retrieved 19 June 2024.
... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?
According to DYK-check, "Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created". (I haven't checked for copy-right violations). Also, I would have liked to know why it is called the Orca Shipwreck?Huldra (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: Burke, Jason (11 January 2019). "Why Kabila may be real victor of DRC's contested election". The Guardian. Retrieved 21 June 2024. Tshisekedi is the leader of the Union for Democracy and Social Progress (UDPS), DRC's oldest and largest opposition party. Critics say he is unproven, inexperienced and lacks the charisma of his father. 'His father was a man of the country. The son is very limited,' Valentin Mubake, former secretary-general of Tshisekedi's party told the Guardian last month.
ALT1: ... that 185 Montague Street in New York City was once called "one of the jazziest little Art Deco skyscrapers in town"? Source: Morrone, Francis. An Architectural Guidebook to Brooklyn. Gibbs Smith. p. 146
ALT2: ... that one critic likened the design of 185 Montague Street in New York City to the horns of Count Basie's orchestra? Source: Morrone, Francis. An Architectural Guidebook to Brooklyn. Gibbs Smith. p. 146
... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
... that a Michigan TV station rescued and restored a weather ball(pictured) that had been sitting for years in a scrapyard? Source: Heibel, Lawrence R. (March 28, 2002). "Weather ball may sit on pole by station: WZZM TV-13 is seeking a zoning variance to build the new home for the stainless steel sphere". The Grand Rapids Press. p. A25. (Available upon request)
Well, if you can come up with a hook that covers both topics, we can simply add this. I can do the mechanics for you, just give me a ping. However, I struggle to think of a good hook for such a double-nomination. If you can't think of something suitable, simply nominate this as a separate listing. Also, please see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Olympic hooks table for your info. Schwede66 04:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for offering your help. I was also struggling with the hook, the ones I can think of lose focus, so I will just leave it like this. The first round heats of the women's 400 m hurdles at the 2024 Summer Olympics are on 5 August, according to this schedule, so maybe this hook could be added on that day? – Editør (talk) 08:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Schwede66: I have nominated the second article for another DYK, you could also use that one for the Olympic theme, let me know if you require me to do anything for this. – Editør (talk) 11:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: Did you know that Palaeolithic art in Crete was shown no respect by Bronze Age artists? Unless of course, adding more to it was a sign of respect. Alternative hook suggestions are welcome.
Created by Chipmunkdavis (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.
Comment: From the roster of recent AFC graduates; as promised on this article's talk page; on behalf of creator Oz346. (Stay tuned as I get another nomination of my own up and running.)
Created by Oz346 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Source:『Speaking of Taylor Swift, we must thank her for originating the season. Last November, the singer-songwriter put a name to “Sad Girl Autumn” when she released a re-recorded version of her album Red』(The Independent)
ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [39]
ALT1: ... that the Mount Leona Fire(smoke pictured) was finally contained on the upper slopes of Profanity?
Source:
"Ferry County, Washington Community Wildfire Protection Plan (CWPP) gives 4820 section "4.2.2.1.3 Mount Leona Fire (2001) - 4,820 acres" middle of page 66
"Once the fire had reached higher elevations on Profanity Peak and the northerly slopes of the headwaters of Long Alec Creek, the fire behavior moderated so that hand crews and dozers were able to stop the fire"
Comment: There may be other hooks in there. I avoided the claim of first or only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I because of verifiability.
Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 152 past nominations.
Source: Dutch source『Missie geslaagd. Femke Bol heeft vrijdagavond in München voor een unieke dubbelslag op een groot titeltoernooi in de atletiekwereld gezorgd. Het 22-jarige supertalent liep naar de Europese titel op de 400 meter horden. Twee dagen eerder was ze al Europees kampioene op de 400 meter zonder hindernissen geworden. Geen enkele vrouw deed dat eerder.』English source alternative
... that Matahi Brightwell(pictured) introduced the waka ama (outrigger canoe racing) sport to New Zealand?
Source: [40] "Mr Brightwell was made an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit for starting waka ama in Aotearoa, a sport he picked up – along with his name and his wife Raipoia – while he was building the ocean-going waka Hawaikinui in Tahiti."
ALT1: ... that Matahi Brightwell(pictured) left the eyes of Ngātoro-i-rangi blank? Source: [41] "When Mr Brightwell created Ngatoroirangi, he was so upset by the negativity that he left the sculpture's eyes blank."
Comment: Welcome any suggestions for alternative hooks or improvements to the hook or article. There's also a free picture of the Ngātoro-i-rangi sculpture (currently in the article) that could be used as an alternative to the picture of Brightwell, although I'm not sure it'll show up well at 100x100.
Created by Chocmilk03 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 29 past nominations.
... that on 20 July 1982 the neutral oil tanker Hercules was scuttled after being struck by an Argentine bomb during the Falklands War?
Source: "June 8 .... that afternoon Hercules was attacked without warning in three different strikes by Argentine aircraft using bombs and air-to-surface missiles" from: Sohn, Louis B.; Noyes, John (25 October 2021). Cases and Materials on the Law of the Sea. BRILL. p. 82. ISBN978-90-04-48042-1. and "20 July: The VLCC Hercules has her seacocks opened ... it had been decided that the unexploded bomb aboard was too dangerous to defuse and thus sinking was the only alternative" from:Ambrose, A. J. (1983). Jane's Merchant Shipping Review. Jane's Publishing Company. p. 17. ISBN978-0-7106-0261-9.
ALT1: ... that the neutral Liberian oil tanker Hercules was attacked three times by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War and eventually scuttled? Source: As above
ALT2: ... that the neutral oil tanker Hercules carried an unexploded bomb into a Brazilian port after being attacked by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War? Source: As above
... that the first home of the Museum of Modern Art was six rooms in New York City's Crown Building?Source: "New Modern Art Museum Opens Exhibit Today: First Showing of Paintings in Heckscher Building Galleries L. by Invitation Admit Public Tomorrow Patrons Lend Works by Cezanne Gauguin. Seurat". New York Herald Tribune. November 7, 1929. p. 48; Rothman, Lily (November 7, 2014). "The Museum of Modern Art, Then and Now". TIME.
ALT1: ... that Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos bought New York City's Crown Building because of a tearful plea? Source: Moses, Paul (April 10, 1990). "Banker: Imelda's Tears Did Trick". Newsday. p. 17
ALT2: ... that after New York City's Crown Building was sold for tens of millions of US dollars, the Philippine government received about US$3,000? Source: "New York Crown Building Auctioned at $93.6 Million". The Wall Street Journal. February 11, 1991. p. B5A; "NY taxmen go after a third Philippine bldg". Filipino Reporter. March 24, 1994. p. 1.
ALT3: ... that New York City's Crown Building was the world's costliest office building per square foot when it was sold for US$1.75 billion in 2015? Source: Clarke, Katherine (May 15, 2015). "He's a Big Deal Again an Empire's in Play as Spitzer Calls the Shots". New York Daily News. p. 1.
... that the inclusion of two preteen competing performers at the Eurovision Song Contest 1989 led to the introduction of an age rule for participants at future contests?
ALT1: ... that Yugoslavia's win at the Eurovision Song Contest 1989 was the country's first in twenty-four attempts, and would prove to be its only victory as the country began to break up two years later? Source: [42]
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Sims2aholic8 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.
The original hook has MOS:EGG issues. Here's one possibility. Feel free to change it or suggest others. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Slgrandson: I made ALT2 before your comment which would be a different hook. I just have no clue how to replace it as the main one lol. Arconning (talk) 06:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Apologies, but the article is not new enough for DYK, because it has been more than two weeks since its creation (June 7) and expansion (June 10 courtesy of User:D-Flo27, who is not given credit in this nom, a big no-no); seven-day period has therefore lapsed. Hook is not interesting, either; so a businessman had a band, big deal. Please read the DYK guidelines before making another nomination. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: Hall, Robert (1996). "Hughes, Timothy (1919–1976)". Australian Dictionary of Biography
ALT1: ... that Aboriginal soldier Tim Hughes(pictured) was decorated for remarkable bravery, exceptional coolness and initiative during the Battle of Buna–Gona?Source: Smith, Ian (2022). "Tim Hughes MM MBE". For Love of Country: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander service personnel from South Australia since Federation, p. 107.
HiSL93, review follows: article created 25 June and exceeds minimum length; article is well written (I made some minor changes, feel free to revert if you want); article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources for the content cited (I don't think the claims cited to the funeral home exceed that allowed by WP:ABOUTSELF); I didn't pick up anything too worrying on a check for close paraphrasing (NB: Earwig is thrown off by the long quote and proper names); hook is interesting enough for me, mentioned in the article and checks out to source cited; a QPQ has been done. I have one query regarding the hook "award-winning" is listed at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch, I wonder if "... that Iowa Social Worker of the Year" Catherine...) might be a good way to combine award-winning, location and occupation? Let me know - Dumelow (talk) 09:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
ALT1: ... that the manager of an Alabama TV station expected a countdown clock to get more viewers than his newscasts did? Source: Hubbard, Russell (December 31, 1997). "Time for change: Countdown clock subs for 42 news". The Birmingham News. pp. 1A, 7A.
I think I'll review this, but I'll have to request a second opinion as this will be my first DYK review. GoldRomean (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Cited: - The source provided says that the $4 million in sales is based on the team name, not Brandiose's design.
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Blaylockjam10 I located the minutes played after being guided. Earwig determined that there is some minor WP:CLOP which needs to be addressed. Also probably not a DYK issue, but consider that we probably do not need a section for three words - it should be combined somewhere. Also the lead should introduce/summarize more of the article; right now it is a single sentence. The hook is interesting and the article is neutral with the correct inline citations. Created on April 19 nominated April 26 so the article is new enough and with 2344 the article is long enough. Bruxton (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for the delay. Earwig is at 16.7% - clop was addressed. Personal life was expanded a bit more and the lead is now two sentences. Two sentences are close to a source, but I think we have addressed enough for a pass. Might make a good 
This might make a good quirky hook.(?) Bruxton (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
without action for a few weeks, I think it's time to mark this one for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
sure, how's 'til the end of the month? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 12:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
New reviewer needed to check the above hook (combining Luiysia's proposed rewrite with Femke's request as ALT1a) and to take a look at the Globalize tag in weight fraud to see whether it's an issue that needs to be addressed prior to approval. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Meat diaper is fine, but the lead section of Weight fraud contains details not cited anywhere in the article, e.g. the sentence about self-checkout machines. Weight fraud also needs a citation for the first paragraph under "Food fraud".
The article was moved to mainspace yesterday, so is new enough. It is far more than long enough and properly uses in-line citations (perhaps even more so than necessary for some sentences). The copyvio detector doesn't find anything other than names of things and quotes that are properly used in the article. The hook is short enough, interesting, and is cited inline. The QPQ has been done and there's no image to review. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 20:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Working (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
--TheSandDoctor Talk 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
. Take what I say with a grain of salt as hook-writing is not a precise science, but I would advise thinking about the purpose behind every included detail. As the author, it depends on what you want to highlight about the article. I would caution against writing hooks like sentences in normal articles: too much detail may not leave the reader wanting to know more.
Done - Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: @OlifanofmrTennant: The episode is not "'inspired by' Black Mirror", the source states nothing about inspiration and neither does the article, so please stop adding it here and in the article. ภץאคгöร 10:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 00:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
