Template talk:IPA keys

I noticed that these templates use different ways of ordering the IPA consonant symbols:

• some are row by row according to the standard IPA table
• others are alphabetic, with special symbols arranged by likeliness to letters

Would it be better to align all to one way? And how about the vowels? I tend to go for alphabetic ordering, because these templates are meant for easy lookup by non-experts, who are not likely to recognise the logic of the IPA table ordering.

Another way to improve overview for Italian and Russian might be to split off a column in the consonant table for the doubled/palatalised symbols. That way there is more chance that the whole help page would fit on one screen.

−Woodstone (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I agree with you on alphabetic ordering. In regards to Italian, I'm wondering if the doubled entries can't be eliminated and instead a note saying that all consonants but [blank] can be doubled. As for Russian, could you show a sample of what you mean? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 10:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I mean like this:

−Woodstone (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I have started aligning the IPA help pages. I saw that some use bolded IPA symbols. That is unusual and may hamper seeing them clearly. I propose to make them not bold, but slightly bigger than the normal font. Then the rule set could be:

• IPA symbols centered, <big>, not bold
• IPA symbols ordered alphabetically, slotting in special symbols with similar letters (as in help:IPA)
• example words left aligned, not italic, rendered letters bolded
• place footnotes only in the example column (to avoid misalignment)
• use double column if major pairing of symbols occurs (doubles in Italian, palatilisation in Russian)
• transparent background in outer table

−Woodstone (talk) 22:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

 Template:IPAhelp2col has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. DePiep (talk) 09:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Maybe Arabic, Catalan, Valencian, Chinese and German need wikilinking. Sicilian might be part of Italian item/entry. --5.43.73.144 (talk) 13:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Equating a standard variety with the entire language would be stepping on thorny grounds and is better avoided. Especially Mandarin with Chinese. "Dialects" in Help:IPA/Italian dialects refers to varieties of the Italian language, not Italo-Dalmatian languages. Nardog (talk) 14:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Zhuang and Kurdish are for bracketing after Chinese and Turkish, former and latter is order... --5.43.73.144 (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

They are not. They don't even share a language family. Nardog (talk) 14:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the template to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Template:IPA keys → Template:IPA keys help-pages – Current title for template is misleading, actually wrong while transcluded in Help: namespace and as whole–check content and compare it with title-/template title vs template items/entries meaning plus content of those help pages/ 5.43.73.144 (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Oppose. We have a number of navigation templates, like {{Basic information}}, {{List navbox}}, and {{Writing guides}}, that do not indicate non-main-namespace use by name alone. And the nomination rationale is barely intelligible. Nardog (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello Mister, there is No Sinhala IPA(Help:IPA/Assamese) page in wikipedia, to expand the knowledge of sinhala language we need to create a Sinhala IPA page, so allow us to create Sinhala ipa page Hiniya (talk) 10:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

WP:Be bold. Nardog (talk) 10:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Brother Please, Allow me to to add "Help:IPA/Sinhala" in "Template:IPA keys" it will enhance the learning of Sinhala language Hiniya (talk) 10:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

You have to first create it. Nardog (talk) 11:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply