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Thanks for taking a look at it. You may find that blocking the user will be necessary, as he's continuing to make changes. From his most recent comment on my talk page (unsigned, at the top), and from comments he's made to other users' talk pages, it appears he considers himself an expert on the subject of energy (he has apparently had articles published to other web sites, or something), and that no one else is qualified to make changes to his edits. Robert K S 13:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
i don't want you to get in a wheel war with FM, but his immediate reversion of your dispute tag in the ID article is really a POV edit. FM is saying that the disputes (regarding WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, and WP:A) are there because guys like me don't really understand what is going on. that very characterization of the dispute is FM's POV and is IMO wrong. i would change it back, myself, but do not have editing priviledges to that article which is protected. i would appreciate it if you would let FM know that, outside his own comments, he just cannot characterize opposition whichever way he wants. r b-j 17:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Could you give a hint regarding your mention of me on your user page? Recently, I've overhauled Portal:Creationism, and started work on depopulating Category:Articles lacking sources from December 2005. Or is there an unrelated concern? Addhoc 13:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I've now copied the subpage data for mathematicians into a single /Data page, as suggested by Salix Alba. This has the advantage that there are fewer subpages, all the data is in one place, and the data structure can be extended or modified if needed.
For hygiene and clarity, I think it would now be a good idea delete the /SortName and /Dates subpages, since these are now obsolete. I could do this by appending {{db-author}} to all 294 pages using AWB, but this would take time, and would make a lot of work for the admins working on speedy deletion, since in principle they would have to check the history for each one. Is there a faster way for an admin such as yourself who knows the history of these pages to clean up? Geometry guy 17:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks - and just to confirm that your list is exactly right. Geometry guy 18:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I think people are probably tired of seeing Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Mathematics beginning with all the tables stuff, and it has mostly just been me keeping the thread alive, so I'd like to archive it even though 7 days are not yet up, unless you have any objections, or you think it will interfere with the bot. After a short pause, I hope then it would be welcome to remind everyone about the maths rating scheme and how it is much more useful now thanks to the automation you have implemented. Geometry guy 21:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I posted a response on Template_talk:Unreferenced#Point_of_this_template as an aside, I want to point out that it was not and is not my intent to say the unreferenced articles are candidates for speedy delete because they are unreferenced. Rather the fact that they are unreferenced indicates a higher likelihood that they are candidates for speedy delete for some other reason. My posts (new and old) are probably not real clear on that. Also I fairly strongly took a position opposite of yours, no offense is intended. I can see what you are saying, "just because it the article is unreferenced does not mean that it not verifiable, or that it does not have potential and attempts should be made to bring up to expectations rather then just delete it." I agree with that, but the point is that unreferenced material is subject to deletion "Subject to" being the key phrase and an {{unreferenced}} is part way to being deleted. (dang I get long winded sometimes) Jeepday (talk) 02:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Im having some trouble getting the family guy episode list unprotected as it had the same editing disputes that existed for the lost page that you unprotected... Wondering if you could work your magic and get the family guy one unprotected as well..thanks Grande13 16:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
BorisTheBlade (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and his puppet ManiacMikey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) have been pushing a pro-barefoot ideology into inappropriate places. I tried reporting Boris to WP:AIV once, but they delayed action so long that I never found out why they eventually failed to block him. Just read some of their contributions. For example, they make a big deal of how Kagura (InuYasha) supposedly hates footware, despite the fact that she has never expressed any such opinion in any of the manga or anime that I have seen. Also, they keep adding and re-adding images that have no proper copyright information, just because they show people barefoot. JRSpriggs 05:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the information icon. It's good to see it working and validating. El T 09:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a Vital articles page among the WP 1.0 pages. I think this would be relatively easy to do, because it would work in exactly the same way as the generation of the History page from the "historical" parameter (using the vital mathematics articles category and same long table row format etc.). As usual, if you agree this is a good idea, I'll sort out any changes needed to the Field page format template once VeblenBot has produced the data. Geometry guy 12:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, thanks! I fixed a couple of templates to reflect this. Meanwhile, however, the addition of five more mathematicians seems to have screwed up the table in a way that completely mystifies me: compare User:Geometry_guy/Mathematicians with Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/Wikipedia_1.0/Mathematicians. These pages have identical source, but the latter does not display the last entry (Selberg): instead this entry messes up the importance column. I've experimented with all sorts of possible causes, but I just don't understand how templates can behave differently in Wikipedia space than they do in User space. Furthermore, the problem goes away when explicitly substituting from VeblenBots page. Geometry guy 18:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I wondered if there was some limit like that, but didn't understand why the "Last update" line was still in both versions. Now I get it: the truncation happens at the last "Mathematician row format" template expansion. Thanks for the explanation, but how annoying to run into this just when I thought we were home and dry! I can think of a few things we could try to get around this without any substantial change to the bot code.
I find the first of these the most aesthetic, but it probably just postpones the inevitable! (Although maybe that gives us breathing space to come up with a longer term solution.)
One good news is that all of this probably kicks into touch my overly ambitious dream to separate form and content! Geometry guy 19:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I still think the first one may be worth doing, because at the moment only the mathematicians page is up-against-the-wall. The second one is a bit ugly, but note that I only substituted the first dozen or so templates as proof of concept. I'll do the rest now, so you can see how it looks. Meanwhile, I have shortened the mathematicians template, and made one substitution, so that the mathematicians page does not embarrass the project :) Geometry guy 20:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Re second approach: complete substitution now done at User:Geometry guy/Mathematician data. The page is now long, but it should offer a more significant saving on the pre-expand limit. Geometry guy 20:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I didn't fully understand these comments. Anyway, the "subst:" solution seems to save about 0.5MB (25%). I still prefer ideas one and three because of the huge unreadable pages generated by the second idea. For the first option, do you have any naming suggestions? I would go for something like {{math-person}}, {{math-article}} and {{math-full-art}}, but that is just off the top of my head. I begin to wonder if this would make much difference though. It seems to me that such a change in template title would only save about 50 bytes per use, e.g., about 7600 bytes in the mathematicians page. The bulk of the cost is in the body of the template, not the name. Geometry guy 21:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I see you've got the substituted version going. Am I right in thinking that my third idea is no good? I haven't fully understood what the limit applies to, but if it applies to how much can be transcluded into a given page, then the third idea fails, whereas if it applies to how much can be transcluded from a given page then it works. I guess the former, but the documentation is, as you say, not entirely transparent. Geometry guy 12:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the third idea indeed does not work: see User:Geometry guy/Mathematician data and User:Geometry guy/Mathematicians. I was able to break both of these by enlarging the Mathematician row format template. However, in the process, I discovered that the "noinclude" part of the template really matters to the pre-expand count (the cryptic documentation seems to contradict itself on this point), so I followed the advice to transclude this from a /doc subpage. This saved a considerable amount of pre-expand: a completely unsubstituted version would now weigh in at around 1.8MB, and hence could cope with about 20 more mathematicians before breaking. Geometry guy 14:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Here is a better summary of how it works (I have run into this problem elsewhere). When the wiki engine generates the HTML for a page, it recursively expands all the templates. One way to visualize this is as a tree of template invocations. While doing the recursive expansion, the wiki engine keeps count of the total size of the source code of the templates in the tree, before they are processed. This is the "pre expand include size". If this gets too large, the wiki engine stops recursively expanding templates. The entire size of the source of each template at each node of the tree is counted, including noinclude sections, but templates inside noinclude sections are not recursively expanded, so only the length of the name of the template counts. Each template gets counted multiple times if it occurs are multiple locations of the tree.
The point of this is to prevent the wiki engine from being forced to produce extremely large pages. The limit is high enough (2 MB) that an ordinary page will never come close to reaching it. The articles where it tends to be an issue are lists of television show episodes that use a template for each row of a very long table. In our case, we have the same problem - one template for each row of a long table.
On to the second problem. VeblenBot uses some prewritten software to interface with the wiki - there are functions to fetch a page, fetch the contents of a category, upload a page, etc. I didn't write this software, and I don't want to rewrite it. The upload function expects that the version on the server after an upload matches the version that was uploaded, and will report errors if they differ. If the uploaded version includes subst calls, then the version stored on the server will replace these as it should. So I can't make the bot upload pages that have subst calls in them.
I think that the best solution, unfortunately, is for the bot to do the table row formatting itself. It won't be possible to change the formatting on-wiki, but as more math articles get rated this problem will come up in all the tables, so we might as well take a future-oriented view.
I like the Data subpages for mathematicians, though. I think I will have VeblenBot download these into a local cache and parse them so that the table can include their information. But I will need some time to implement that. CMummert · talk 14:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
When this problem first arose, you were surprised to hit it so soon, and you were right! However, it wasn't the length of the template names: I've tested this using a {{mathematician entry}} template; it only saves about 10K. Instead it was the documentation of {{mathematician data}}. This template is transcluded several times, even after substitution for the mathematician row format. I've fixed this in the recommended way, and saved about 800KB! The mathematicians page will now need to double in entries/comments before it breaks, and at this point, the third question I raised becomes seriously relevant! Geometry guy 19:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Very good: already at a glance it looks like a huge improvement, but I will scan through it carefully soon to make sure it is friendly even to template neophytes like me ;) Meanwhile, I hope VeblenBot can return happily to the Mathematician entry (or the essentially identical WP 1.0 Mathematician row format) templates without offending the wikimedia software :) Geometry guy 00:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
It looks good to me. Meanwhile, I have announced the state of the art on WT:WPM. Geometry guy 01:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
The recent drive by Cronholm and myself to make the assessment coverage lest patchy may place a strain on the pre-expand limit for the algebra field, but I've /doc'd the "Table row format" (saving 200KB I think), and am hoping that this will be enough to keep us away from the dreaded 2MB limit. Geometry guy 02:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I am cmummert on freenode and I would like the cloak wikipedia/cmummert. Thanks. --CMummert · talk 19:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi CMummert -
I think there was some confusion regarding my {{editprotected}} request at Talk:Ward Churchill. My request was to add a citation at a specific place in the article to replace a {{fact}} tag. I don't think the discussion that followed was responding to my request - I think it was just a continuation of an unrelated argument two editors were having in the section above mine on the talk page. If you ignore that argument I'm sure you'll see that the request is completely uncontroversial.
Please respond on my talk page.
Thanks, GabrielF 14:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I noticed you just unblocked the R.A.B. article. Perhaps I should point out that the Horcrux article has been blocked for exactly the same reason, concerning exactly the same paragraph, for considerably longer. Sandpiper 21:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. —METS501 (talk) 17:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. —METS501 (talk) 17:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi CM, thanks for the note. Not being a WikiMarkup guru, I failed to implement my own specialised version of the template properly. Nice to have that tip though, I've fixed some other double transclusion category problems as well. We all live and learn :) Best wishes. --Cactus.man ✍ 23:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
No need to be vigorous about it, I agree with you. What I believe is relevant here is the difference between Crotalus's reaction [1] and Sarenne's [2]. >Radiant< 13:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
This matter has already been discussed at length and our policy recently updated to reflect the use of non free content in lists is not acceptable. This is the reason {{Episode list}} had the image parameter removed. There is nothing more to discuss on the Lost talk page. ed g2s • talk 13:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The discussion was nothing to do with the volume. It was that a plot summary contains no commentary of the image. If that one image is acceptable, then all the others could be justified, thus making our policy meaningless. ed g2s • talk 13:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
We don't add on free content then work around it until it is justified. We use it when it is required by what we have. As the page was, there was no justifiable claim for a screenshot there. ed g2s • talk 13:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
As I said, with regards to non free content, we have to be more strict. Content that is not justifiable must be removed. ed g2s • talk 14:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think so. Episode lists are no the place for in depth discussion of individual scenes. We have episode articles for that. I see no way in which the article could be modified within its scope to justify the use of a screenshot. ed g2s • talk 14:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I was already aware of the table. I answer mostly the technical requests, though, so the table isn't much of a benefit to me (it's normally obvious why the page is protected for technical requests, and I check CAT:PER often enough that I normally remember when the request was added and what it was about; I also have a script set up to add editprotected requests to my watchlist as if someone had edited CAT:PER itself). Thanks for letting me know, though! I imagine the table will be more useful for people who do CAT:PERs in pages protected due to edit dispute. --ais523 15:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Cyde's argument looks to be a good one to me. I don't have any issue with a screenshot or two in a main show article, because such articles should as a matter of course be discussing the show's visual appearance, style, etc., and a screencap or two can be invaluable in illustrating that point. Some episodes may also have iconic, notable scenes (maybe the first time something of a sort was shown on television, maybe a scene that caused a ton of controversy, maybe one that was particularly praised or condemned by critics.) But in that case, the need for a fair-use screencap should make itself clear organically as the article is written-"Hey, we're discussing the X scene, that caused that massive controversy, but we don't have a picture of it!" But usually it's just "Well...we need a picture!" Oftentimes, that's nice but not really needed, the definition of decorative fair use.
What I might end up doing is creating some free-use, stylized images such as "Season X", usable together with "Episode X". Hopefully, that would satisfy both crowds-there would always be images to use to pretty up the article, and they'd be free-use, so fair-use wouldn't enter into it at all! Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your comment [3]. If I understand you correctly, you don't think it's vandalism for a user to repeatedly state that the president-elect of France is an open admirer of France's most famous traitor and nazi-collaborator. In French politics, you could not come it with a stronger insult, something both the user and I know very well. Dusis 17:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
HE HASN'T BEEN CHAMP SINCE BACKLASH THIS IS RIDICULOUS PLEASE DO SOMETHING69.182.122.131 19:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)JakeDHS07
Hey CM, I just went through all of the unassessed articles and rated them. However all of the articles that I rated still appear on the page. I was just wondering if the bot would do the job or if it would require a human to update the page. Let me know and feel free to double check my ratings and comments.Thanks so much--Cronholm144 04:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response.--Cronholm144 04:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
They do get annoying when you have a bot that wastes resources unnecessarily because Special:Doubleredirects has twenty or so circular redirects that keep popping up. Will (is it can be time for messages now plz?) 02:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
OMG!!! WHY'D U DELETE EVERYTHING I WROTE DOWN ON ARTICLES!!! FFS, THAT WAS MY Friend! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DeathPissarro (talk • contribs) 14:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
Hey CM, I am writing you to let you know that the Mathematics Collaboration of the week(soon to "of the month") is getting an overhaul of sorts and I would encourage you to participate in whatever way you can, i.e. nominate an article, contribute to an article, or sign up to be part of the project. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks--Cronholm144 18:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for unlocking KP episodes for us :) -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Template:Sources is under discussion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --After Midnight 0001 12:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
User:Hairchrm/sha1 - Hairchrm 03:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back! In your absence there has been a lot of progress on rating maths articles, and also some discussion about it, as I am sure you have noticed. Your opinion on the issues raised would be particularly valuable. Geometry guy 22:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. Your comment about using categories intrigued me, as I argued previously for making more use of categories. However, I am not yet convinced that they can replace the field system. Also I don't believe we should be aiming to rate all 15000 articles. But, before commenting at WT:WPM, I would like to know what you have in mind in technical terms, i.e., what will VeblenBot do with the category information, and what kinds of tables could be generated? Geometry guy 10:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
First impression: your implementation sounds fantastic! If you have some working code, could you sandbox a demo? Geometry guy 14:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not yet completely convinced that the fields can be removed entirely. In the description of the category hierarchy as a "directed acyclic graph (mostly)", the words "and that's about all you can say about it" should probably be added! An article often belongs to two or three categories, and each of these could be a subcategory of several other categories. As this is propagated upwards, some of these paths will converge, admittedly, but quite a large number of articles could end up being listed in many of the proposed areas.
I also liked your earlier idea to replace a category by subcategories when it becomes too large - I think this is a better way to handle pre-include limits than linking to subpages. However, this might not run as smoothly as one would like, because the category hierarchy branches out rather rapidly near the top. Anyway, some of these comments suggest that a review of the maths category hierarchy is needed.
Some planning and testing is certainly needed, and it may be better to develop the idea alongside the fields. Meanwhile, I have a couple of (hopefully) more minor suggestions/requests:
Many thanks, Geometry guy 13:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I made an attempt to tidy the upper levels of the mathematics hierarchy today. Prior to this Probability and statistics was a subcategory of Applied mathematics and Set theory was a subcategory of Mathematical logic. Trovatore was (perhaps understandably) not happy with the latter revision. This presents another problem with using categories for ratings pages: stability. Anyone can alter the category hierarchy and this could dramatically affect which articles would be listed in a given category page, even to the point of breaking the pre-expand include limit! Geometry guy 01:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Given your contribution to WT:WPM#Set theory category and your suggestion above to have a field labelled "Foundations" and another labelled "Set theory", I'm wondering how these might be populated using categories. Maybe you have a finer subdivision of Mathematical Logic in mind, or actually think it is enough to use a single category for the whole lot, like the current foundations field. I'm a bit curious, anyway! Geometry guy 15:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I've given you level 5 access in Wikipedia, as you requested on Wikipedia:IRC channels/wikipedia-en-admins. One 20:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi CM. I upgraded my Mediawiki::Client routines which bypass saving to disk to version 0.31 of the client, but I am having trouble getting the encodings right (utf8 and all that). Things worked differently in version 0.2*. I'll need to fiddle more with it, perhaps next weekend. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Dear CMummert: Thx for your recemt comment at my proposed Unprotection para. I hope you have more to say.
I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of policy as to the case of Geometry. Longer-term protect is warranted if the high rate of vandalism is a continuing problem from unregistered or newly registered users. There semi-protect is, I believe, to block those unregistered or newly registered users who make up a disproportionate rate of of all vandalism, not to block unregistered or newly registered users as such. If non-vandalous unregistered or newly registered users also make up a disproportionately small fraction of all Edits, that strenghens the case for protection. Vandalism is disruptive and drains from constructive, either on an article in question or on a related one. --Thomasmeeks 23:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC) (minor edit)
Hi. I noticed the recent renaming of the stop motion film category. Many of the films affected also have the category Category:None-language films attached, which I don't believe is at all correct, simply at a grammatical level. I work in the film business in Canada and the term I've always used is "Films without words." Is that a term you like as well? Thanks, Shawn in Montreal 14:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Please see my response here. --Zvika 19:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
You meant to type in "AWB" in your recent contribs. I noticed this a while ago on my watchlist. If LWB stood for something else, please inform me what it is. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 02:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your last edit at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Participants: how did you decide who is inactive? I saw for instance that you moved User:Billlion to the inactive section even though he was editing Nicholas Higham two weeks ago. Was this just one mistake or may there be something wrong with your method? -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 15:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. When the bot flag is set it will show up in this log. --ST47Talk 19:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I thought I'd mention that VeblenBot didn't do an update, in case this is by accident, and you didn't notice. I hope all is well with VeblenBot, and it is not protesting at the extra workload! I guess it deserves a pay rise ;) Geometry guy 12:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
The computer that VeblenBot runs on is having hard disk problems, so VeblenBot will not be running tonight. The code is completely backed up, fortunately. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know that I reverted part of an edit you made to Template:User committed identity (diff) LinuxMigration 05:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
It appears that your signature still contains a reference to User talk:CMummert which has been redirected to this page. You might want to change that. JRSpriggs 08:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I found it ironical that User:CM, whoser username you wanted to usurp, wrote contributed to an article which you requested to be speeded[4]. Was your encounter with that editor at that article accidental or not? :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 13:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Did I miss a notice somewhere that you were changing ID? It's a little confusing. --KSmrqT 18:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Carl - you may have noticed that there has been some trouble recently at General relativity about User:SteakNShake, a username created on May 4th, but which only started editing on May 31st, and with one agenda: a very disruptive POV-push at General relativity. There are concerns that this might be a sock puppet of EdGerck (as part of his "stress-testing" of WP), but there isn't any evidence for this at the moment beyond motive and time of day of edits. The reason I am writing, however, is that this user's latest edits seem not to appear on the contribs for the user. I was surprised by this so I cleared my cache, but still find a discrepency between the history at the GR page and Special:Contributions/SteakNShake. Do you too? Any explanations? Geometry guy 00:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some agreement that it is helpful to make more use of the word "priority" rather than "importance" in maths ratings (both terms are used by Wikipedia 1.0). I have changed the maths rating template so it displays "Top Priority" (and so on) instead of "Top Importance". Consequently, I would also like to rename the categories to names like Category:Low-Priority mathematics articles (several other WikiProjects do this). I guess this requires a small modification to the code used by VeblenBot, so that it looks in the new categories instead of the old ones. It would also be helpful if its output used the terms "Top Priority" etc.
I think it is better to keep using the phrase "Articles by importance" (and not rename the corresponding category), because the tag in the maths rating is "importance=". This is also an argument for making an exception for the "Unassessed importance mathematics articles" category - however, I know that such exceptions have been a nuissance in the past, so would be happy with "Unassessed-Priority mathematics articles" instead. Let me know what you think, Geometry guy 15:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
PS. I think something went wrong with the update last night: quite a few articles were missed, and some Class assessments were not picked up. Probably this was just caused by the various technical difficulties WP was having at the time.
WP 1.0 bot won't be affected by the importance being changed to priority.
Carl, the problem you mention is quite serious, and I think it goes beyond IP change. I started a discussion at WP 1.0 talk page. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm happy to switch the categories in the maths rating tomorrow am if you are ready to modify VeblenBot's code accordingly. Geometry guy 00:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Slash, who apparently requested to be blocked due to a compromised account, is claiming to have regained control and wishes to be unblocked. Since you know the situation here, I'll leave review up to you, just wanted to let you know. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
'k thanks. I have no idea what "otrs" is, and from reading WP:OTRS I can't fathom how it could possibly apply, but I'll ask zscout since you said it came from him... Cheers, Tomertalk 13:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't tell if you were aware that the reason Patricknoddy made an edit request at Talk:Jerusalem#Please edit this is because his account was created less than four days ago (although you are correct that fulfilling his request does not require an admin). -- tariqabjotu 14:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I am carl-m on freenode and I would like the cloak wikipedia/cbm. Thanks. --— Carl (CBM · talk) 00:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your input at MOS Dash talk. You may be interested in Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dashes)#Proposal_for_three_substantive_alterations. Tony 01:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I've created the FC Barcelona squad article that was deleted. I'd like to have a copy of it to use in a new article: FC Barcelona season 2006/07. Thanks. --ClaudioMB 23:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
As you know tha Bplus category is not detected by WP 1.0 bot, and so articles in this category have to be listed in another category as well. Previously, this was B, although this was not mentioned anywhere and I hadn't noticed this issue before. I guess VeblenBot forms the B-Class page by taking the B category, and removing items in the Bplus category. Anyway, following recent changes, it seems more sense to me to categorize Bplus with GA and I've changed the maths rating template to reflect this. Do you agree? If so, I guess VeblenBot's code needs another minor modification. If not, I (or you) can revert my change to the template. Geometry guy 21:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
This seems to be working okay for the table (although it would probably be better to have the GA column come before the Bplus column). However, the GA-Class page is picking up Bplus articles at the moment, suggesting that there is another point in the code that needs a tweak. Geometry guy 00:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
"The en dash may be used in a page name that contains a range for which an en dash is used in the body of the page, for example, Eye–hand span. Page names should not contain hair spaces, however, even in the rare case of a range forming part of the title, for example, History of the Soviet Union (1985–1991). Note that years of birth and death should not be used in an article title to distinguish between people of the same name"
"Eye–hand span" isn't a range: it's a relationship. It still demands an en dash. So why not go back to the previous statement, which I thought covered it? And can you remove "Note that"?
We plan to recast this whole page soon, in any case. Tony 12:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
The new MOS guidelines may have a bearing on matters. Tony 12:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
On occasion, User:VeblenBot seems to have trouble determining the protection level of a page (I think you brought this up yourself a while ago); it seems that the protection level is given by JavaScript variables near the start of a page:
var wgRestrictionEdit = ["sysop"]; var wgRestrictionMove = ["sysop"];
Perhaps the bot could be made to use this source of information? (It isn't very important, just thought you'd like to know.) --ais523 17:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
It seems a lot of users try to add their request like this: {{editprotected|I want the image changed.}}
. I thought it would be better if that actually worked. Cheers. --MZMcBride 04:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I hope to come up with more interesting thoughts than this here (hence the optimistic title), but my first comment is that, um, Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Wikipedia 1.0/Start-Class mathematics articles has now hit the pre-expand include limit, sigh. Geometry guy 00:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. I have replied. --Doradus 12:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your reply. Stammer 04:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Disabling the e-mail link for Cyrus XIII, that was an accident. The rest of the situation, I've explained in multiple comments to other people which I don't feel like rehashing again; if you care, you can just read my contribs. DS 16:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for updating {{Infobox Officeholder}}, unfortunately since the changes a problem has occurred on some of the pages it's linked to. Would it be possible for you to copy the code from here and put it into the template. That should fix the problem. Thanks. --Philip Stevens 06:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
You have declined to include the link to award given by TMMK to the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu for social cohesion efforts. Anwar 16:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Do I have your permission to re-write article "Fue Por Ti"? ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Don't know if you caught this and this edit to WP:ANI by MagicalPhats. I reverted him and I've left it up to you to decide what to say to him or to take action against him. I don't know if you're around right now or not but I'll keep an eye out on him too. Metros 23:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Copied from his talk page in case you aren't watching it:
MagicalPhats, I think that starting a new account with a blank slate might be a good idea. As I said yesterday, you are not the only person here. The reason your page was deleted is that there systems for detecting broken redirects and your page was listed as one. Then a volunteer who was trying to keep the encyclopedia functioning removed the broken page. It was not in any way a personal attack against you, just a normal cleanup function. Your aggressive response is what led to your being blocked. — Carl (CBM · talk) 23:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, its line 16 only without the word wrapping. So, I better copy the entire code excerpt:
! colspan="2" style="text-align: center" {{!}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography{{!}}WikiProject Biography]]{{#if:{{{class|}}} | (Rated {{ucfirst:{{{class}}}}}-Class)|}}
to be changed with
! colspan="3" style="text-align: center" {{!}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography{{!}}WikiProject Biography]]{{#if:{{{class|}}} | (Rated {{ucfirst:{{{class}}}}}-Class)|}}
Sorry for not contacting you earlier, I forgot to watch the WPBiography template. — Shinhan < talk > 17:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Carl - User:Mangojuice has recently deleted the talk page of Hiccup as a G8. Since the article exists, the reasoning is clearly false. I don't know how best to proceed, but I am confident that you do. If you don't have time for this I will take it to another admin I know :) Geometry guy 22:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks both. Now, contrary to the title of this section, I think there might be a hiccup in the main table: Unassessed class isn't showing up again. I guess this is a knock-on effect coming from one of the recent changes to the code. Geometry guy 17:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've moved your edit to the includeonly section, so the template itself doesn't get added to the category. Does that mean Category:Unassessed mathematics articles is now redundant and can be deleted? I will investigate a bit myself, but let me know if the bot uses it. Geometry guy 20:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
sorry for continuing to revert edits on the automatic discography but i do not understand why the 'Other Appearances' section continues to be removed, it belongs in the article?
with regards to album artwork how do i gain rights/whatever to show it in the article? Surely if the artwork is available on there website, and countless other sites it should be fine to have it here?
thank you Jacksack
Template:S-suc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. KuatofKDY 05:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that you closed some user cat deletion listings as "delete", but the categories don't seem to have been depopulated and deleted. Is this just a hold up until a bot gets to work on it? --Tony Sidaway 12:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I was just wondering when you will be able to update User:VeblenBot/Version 0.7/MainTable? It doesn't need to updated every two days as you did before, but it seems to have stopped altogether. Can you let me know when it will run again? Thanks, Walkerma 04:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note that spoiler-season has been redirected to spoiler as a result of a TfD. As part of the close all existing instances of "spoiler-season" have been replaced with "spoiler", so whatlinkshere for spoiler will have about 50 links.
This mostly affects one class of article: Stargate.
Please handle removal of spoiler tags from these articles with special sensitivity. --Tony Sidaway 06:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello. We seem to disagree on whether or not the Books section of Uplift Universe should have a spoiler warning. Please see the Talk page of that article for my reasoning. Great Cthulhu 15:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Why was this category deleted? -- Evertype·✆ 17:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Twice now you've deleted spoiler tags in the Agent Bishop page. While I agree that one need not classify his entire origin as a spoiler, I see no reason to eliminate the tags surrounding info on the episode Head of State. As you may or may not know, the episode has yet to air normally; while it is allegedly available On Demand, that is an option available to only a small fraction of the show's audience, and therefore, any information regarding the episode is usually considered a spoiler.
Ian
There are two flaws to your argument.
The fact is I should have been informed about this which I wasn't. Kingjeff 16:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Carl - when we set up the importance subtables, you warned me that VeblenBot doesn't generate the section headings, so they would have to become part of the templates. So I put them in the templates. Just recently, though, VeblenBot has started generating the section headings itself, so now they are duplicated! Do you want me to remove them from the templates, or will you change back the code? Thanks - Geometry guy 14:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Veblenbot has finally become a sapient being, and has taken upon itself the task of generating section headings. Carl, have raised a fine young bot. :)--Cronholm144 14:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion reviewofCategory:Wikipedians by political ideology . Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ramdrake (talk • contribs) 2007-06-21T13:26:32.
Are you following my every edit? It seems strange that you would show up here after over a disagreement about a deletion review. Kingjeff 05:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
CBM, I see you are traveling and may have a lot to look over on your return. I added a note for you at Template_talk:Cite_journal#Publisher. If a reply is necessary, please use my talk page. Thank you. -Susanlesch 23:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Arequest for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Danah Boyd, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Elonka 23:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
ARequest for Mediation to which you are a party has been accepted. You can find more information on the mediation subpage, Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Danah Boyd.
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Hi Carl, could you provide (for testing purposes) a list of some 100 reference templates showing up in Math articles, please? Later, I'll need the complete list. I have no clue how big this is going to be, though. Do you?
Thanks, Jakob.scholbach 23:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
That's a tricky problem in general, and a design flaw with the way that selfref's being used. Ideally, selfref would never be used directly, only by other templates (for instance, maybe {{srdabheader}} would be a good name for selfrefs at the top of articles), so the usage for each individual case in which it's used could be checked whilst still retaining the functionality. (The idea is that a mirror should ideally get a database dump and a copy of MediaWiki or at least its parser, blank {{selfref}} in their copy, and rerender the pages; I'm not sure how many mirrors do this in practice.) class="selfreference" is something I added myself, both for the benefit of scripts that look for selfrefs in the output of a page and possibly so that mirrors could simply hide selfrefs by changing CSS, but the selfref not being in the output at all is obviously preferable to it merely being hidden by CSS. If the need to find out the WLH for {{selfref}} is sufficiently great (for instance, to convert them all to some other template that references selfref using AWB, or probably just for whatever reason you had in mind when you asked me the question, as not a very big reason is needed in my view), temporarily removing the selfref from {{birth date and age}} shouldn't be much of a problem, especially if the non-selfref version isn't caught in a database dump. The situation at the moment (especially with respect to parameter 2, which is a bit of a hack) is not a very good one, though. --ais523 08:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Can you poke your head over at Incidents at independent parks for me, please? I've added the recent Playland incidents (removing the 2 names that were posted elsewhere on WP from older items) per our recent discussion. My question is regarding the difference between living people vs those who have died regarding the posting of names. Is the policy strict on "no names, all the time", or just "no names, living"? If you can use that page as a reference for me (it's shorter than the others) to advise what is obviously wrong per policy, then I'll make the appropriate changes on all the Incidents pages that I've been trying to diligently maintain. Thx! SpikeJones 13:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your reminder, CBM. In fact I will not be pursuing things with hyphens and dashes. I am disappointed with recent developments involving some other articles, and people's unwillingness to work together to coordinate articles. I don't want to waste the considerable effort that these things call for, and I have therefore simply and silently backed away from Wikipedia editing, for now. Please proceed in whatever way you see fit. I may come back later. I'm not sure. I should put a note at my talk page. – Noetica♬♩ Talk 02:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I deleted many subpages of the sandbox that had not been edited recently, as part of general housekeeping. The function of the sandbox is for testing edits, and once the testing is completed the edits themselves don't need to be kept. If you would like, I will be glad to send a copy of any of the deleted subpages of the sandbox to you by email. — Carl (CBM · talk) 05:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. What's the deal with User:Tiger white, is he blocked or not? It's suspected that he's a sockpuppet of User:98E and looking back at my history, I actually remember interacting with 98E. They both upload images relating to hip hop artists and South Park. Spellcast 10:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Update: In fact, not only that, but also Crash Bandicoot. You can even compare their contributions (specifically the image namespace): Special:Contributions/98E & Special:Contributions/Tiger_white. Spellcast 10:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)