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I stumbled upon Draft:List of Lockheed C-130 Hercules Variants, and I have a few suggestions. Having written and reworked several aircraft variant articles myself, I have found that certain article structures enhance readability. While the current structure, which separates the variants into "Pre-production", "Transport", "British/foreign", "Civilian", and other miscellaneous roles may make superficial sense, there are much better ways to split up the variants (especially when many sub-sections will contain something along the lines of "Modified from baseline C-130 variant").

The highest level of section headers should be for the most drastic changes made to the aircraft, as is the case with the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk variants, North American P-51 Mustang variants, and Republic P-47 Thunderbolt variants articles. All three types underwent one or more drastic changes throughout their production which resulted in distinct families of variants.

In the case of the C-130, there are no easily-classifiable variant families, meaning the most drastic changes to the airframe were made between the variant letters (C-130A, C-130B, etc.). Therefore, I suggest a structure similar to Messerschmitt Me 262 variants and List of Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress variants, in which the top-level sections are for the primary variant designations, with major sub-variants having their own subsections and minor sub-variants being covered in a list. As such, aircraft with mission modifiers (AC-130, MC-130, WC-130, etc.) should be listed under their base-variants' sections. For example, the AC-130A, RC-130A, and WC-130A would be covered under the C-130A section as they are all modified from that baseline variant.

On a side note, you could probably get away with omitting the "-LM" production facility code from all variant designations, as all C-130s were built at Lockheed's Marietta plant and therefore no other code has been assigned to any C-130. You should probably also look into the C-130H1, H2, and H3 designations, as they do not follow the 1962 Tri-Service standard for designating production blocks and upgrades. If the designations follow the Tri-Service standard, they should be C-130H-1, H-2, and H-3. - ZLEA _T\^C 05:23, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your input;

I'll look into changing the layout of the page into your recommended layout when I have the time to do so. I'll more than likely attempt to finish what I have started, then re-arrange everything into a major-variant-based sorting system, as opposed to the current role-based sorting system I am currently using. I'll look further into the variants lists you suggested too.

In regards to the "-LM" code, I only have used that for the second prototype variant (which I need to to more research on as is), and I'm not using it on all of the different variations.

As for the H1/H2/H3, I will be doing more research on them to find distinct differences, but as of right now, I believe it is mainly in regards to avionics or slight changes elsewhere. They appear to be interchangeably referred to as H1/H2/H3 and H-1/H-2/H-3, but the designation without the dash appears to be more common, despite the tri-service designation system. I am unsure as of this moment whether each are official or not. I will address that once I get around to actually working on their variant descriptions.

Overall this is still very much a WIP page, so I appreciate your feedback. Thank you! Omega LVIII (talk) 05:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've done some more compiling of models and information, and I think it may be best to do a role-specific system like what I currently have set up. It would be excessive to have not only all the major A/B/E/H/J models with their dozens of offshoots; the lesser known D/F/G/K/M/N/P/Q/R/T/etc with & associated models. It further doesn't help that some mission-specific models have designations indicating they are derived from one model, but in fact are from another (ex, AC-130Hs are not modified C-130Hs, they are modified C-130E's and AC-130E's, and thus would be under the C-130E category with the confusing -H designation).

I think that with the volume of role-specific models that exist, and the overall emphasis on differences within role-specific families, it's more logical to separate them by mission rather than by major variant.

I've got over 110 different models of the C-130 noted on a separate document, so easing the user experience by separating the variants by major-mission/role rather than by major-variant makes the most sense to me.

This also would allow me to put "see more:" links at the top of each section header allowing for easy navigating to dedicated pages, whereas with a major-variant setup, I would need multiple links to the same page across the different variant sections (ex, KC-130 link under C-130A->KC-130A, C-130H->KC-130H, C-130J->KC-130J, etc instead of just at the top of "Tanker Models").

Concerning the H1/H2/H3, still have to do research on that, but as far as I know, they have to do with internal upgrades and will be placed under the C-130H/H-30 sections once I reorganize the page (which I do plan on doing eventually). Omega LVIII (talk) 15:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Omega LVIII. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "General Atomics Gambit".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 00:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply