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See Wikipedia_talk:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia#Kalloor (" the place in Tamil Nadu, India, where the Apostle Thomas, one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, is believed to have been killed"). Possible hoax, and unreferenced. Fails WP:V. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Christianity and India. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tamil Nadu-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Totally unsourced, and most of it unverifiable. That alone suggests deletion, but checking the history of the article, I find the original text (which is still there, with minor changes, but more has been added) is sufficiently out of line with anything in any source that I can find to make it fairly clear that it was a hoax. The result of that is that we have an article which is totally unsourced, most of ut unsourceable, and a significant part of it probably a hoax. No justification at all for keeping it. JBW (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @JBW In the discussion linked above @Malerisch suggested this may not be a complete hoax. In either case, this was now incorrectly speedied, sigh. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Yes. Originally I thought this was certainly a hoax, but then I read that discussion, as far as it had gone at the time, and reduced my opinion to "fairly clear" that "a significant part of it [is] probably a hoax", as I said above. That is why I posted here rather than speedily deleting the article. I should have also removed the speedy deletion tag, but I missed doing that. I have now read the current version of the discussion you mentioned, and further information has been added, which makes me think it is not a hoax. However, I still think it should be deleted. JBW (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JBW For the record, I also think it should be deleted due to lack of sourcing, but after AfD runs its course. I'll go ask at WP:AN for undeletion. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Please_undelete_incorrectly_speedily_deleted_article_(now_at_AfD):_Kalloor _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. There is another place in Tamil Nadu that could be confused: Kallur, Kumbakonam. Google maps shows both. Zero^talk 06:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The article is completely unsourced and at least the part about Apostle Thomas is clearly a hoax, and the other part, about "prominent families" bearing that name, seems spurious too. We have an article on a Kalloor Oommen Philipose, but there it's a personal name, and generally the name (in this spelling) doesn't seem to be common. So, without verifiable content, there is no need for an article. Gawaon (talk) 12:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per WP:SNOW. It is a hoax, with some revisions adding barely verifiable details. LOLHWAT (talk) 15:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per lack of sourced content and that the most notable part of the article (Thomas the Apostle's deathplace) is most likely a hoax. SparklessPlug (talk | contribs) 17:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Kallur, seems to be a plausible misspelling. Current content is unverifiable and probably a hoax. sohom@enwiki 19:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm near certain this is how the article started, and it probably just got picked up and turned into a hoax.. a really long-running one at that, though it may have gotten to the point where deletion of the link is most favorable Cringe AG (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete It's probably not a hoax per my comment here, but the article should be deleted due to a lack of reliable sources, as Kalloor only appears briefly in a single source. I get that Thomas the Apostle's place of death being in Tamil Nadu, India might sound like a hoax, perhaps due to an unfamiliarity with Christianity in India, but it actually isn't: both Britannica [1] and Wikipedia say that he died in Madras/Chennai. Kalloor being an Indian name isn't a hoax either (e.g. Yoohanon Chrysostom is real person). Malerisch (talk) 02:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I had seen that last article and quickly wondered about it: if his name is "Yoohanon Chrysostom Kalloor" (with Kalloor being the last name), then why is the article named Yoohanon Chrysostom?Gawaon (talk) 05:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Although Indian naming customs can be quite varied, this simply appears to be a case of someone changing his name after becoming a bishop. The official diocese website [2], other sources like [3], and Wikipedia (St. Jude Syro Malankara Catholic Church) say that he formerly went by the name "John Kalloor" and now goes by "Yoohanon Chrysostom". I don't think his name is actually "Yoohanon Chrysostom Kalloor" as the Wikipedia article states. Malerisch (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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