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Look at Football World Cup 2002... It's all messed up. Different tables, ugly formatting, bad wiki-links, etc. I am sorry to say the quality of the WC articles is going downhill over the past few months. DR31 16:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I want to propose restarting this collaboration. I was not here when the drive first started, and stopped, so I probably wouldn't know of any problems that might have arisen/might arise, but I want to give it an honest try. I'm certain it can be made to work, with so many people actively working on football articles. -Aabha (talk) 18:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm restarting the drive. -Aabha (talk) 09:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Since userboxes seem to be all the rage, I created one for WP:Football:
This user is a participant in WikiProject Football. |
To use it put {{User WikiProject Football}}
I have been working on the Wikipedia Syntax cleanup project and there are a large number of football year articles that have a common problem with the syntax of tables. The league tables have two opening sections (ie two sets of {| followed by table styles), but only one closing |}. Although this is rendered fine by browsers it gets picked up by syntax-checking bots and should really be fixed. Given the number of occurances I guess it must have come from a template or example somewhere. When creating further new articles of this type, can people try and correct the problem - otherwise any new ones will need fixing again (see eg 2003-04_in_Scottish_football for a fixed page). I think most of the existing ones are now fixed. Well done on a truely impressive collection of articles!! Kcordina 10:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I am converting every match in the World Cup 2002 using the spiffy new Template:Footballbox (spiffy IMO) I created. I'm wondering if it could become a standard for all match summaries :) Here's a (nonpartisan, completely fair, realistic) example: – ugen64 03:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Arsenal | 10–1 | Chelsea |
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Henry 1' Fabregas 8', 10', 40' pen Cygan 30' Cole 57' Bergkamp 60', 71', 81' Flamini 65', 77' |
Cech 90' |
{{penshootoutbox | penalties1 = [[Pascal Cygan|Cygan]] scored<br />[[Thierry Henry|Henry]] scored<br />[[Robin van Persie|van Persie]] missed<br />[[Jens Lehmann|Lehmann]] scored<br />[[Sol Campbell|Campbell]] scored | penaltyscore = 4–3 | penalties2 = [[Pascal Cygan|Cygan]] scored<br />[[Thierry Henry|Henry]] scored<br />[[Robin van Persie|van Persie]] missed<br />[[Jens Lehmann|Lehmann]] scored<br />[[Sol Campbell|Campbell]] missed }}
Senegal | 2–1 (AET) | Sweden |
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Camara 37', 104' | Larsson 11' |
There is currently a vote on to move Football World CuptoFIFA World Cup. see talk:Football World Cup Jooler 11:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
And there is a vote on to move Hanover 96toHannover 96. see Talk:Hanover 96. -- Andro96 22:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Several club articles (e.g. Tottenham Hotspur F.C.) have a section on famous and/or infamous fans of the club. It strikes me that a club article is not really the sort of place for such information - these sections aren't really about the club - (and it's open an obvious path to vandalism or vanity). My suggestion is to add new categories such as Category:Tottenham Hotspur F.C. fans, Category:Arsenal F.C. fans etc., remove the fans sections and add the appropriate categories to the articles about the people (with the fans category as an appropriate member of the club's own category). This would also have the added benefit of reducing the club articles in size. I'm not really a member of the project, but any thoughts? Stephenb (Talk) 17:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I prefer to do squad template according to positions 1st then squad numbers 2nd. Here's an example.
No. | Country | Player | Year Signed | Previous Club | |
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Goalkeepers | |||||
1 | Tim Howard | 2003 | MetroStars | ||
19 | Edwin van der Sar | 2005 | Fulham | ||
30 | Luke Steele | 2002 | Peterborough United / Academy | ||
Defenders | |||||
2 | Gary Neville | 1991 | Academy | ||
4 | Gabriel Heinze | 2004 | Paris Saint-Germain | ||
5 | Rio Ferdinand | 2002 | Leeds United | ||
6 | Wes Brown | 1996 | Academy | ||
22 | John O'Shea | 1998 | Waterford United | ||
26 | Phil Bardsley | 2001 | Waterford United/Academy | ||
Midfielders | |||||
7 | Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003 | Sporting Lisbon | ||
11 | Ryan Giggs | 1990 | Academy | ||
13 | Park Ji-Sung | 2005 | PSV Eindhoven | ||
14 | Alan Smith | 2004 | Leeds United | ||
18 | Paul Scholes | 1991 | Academy | ||
23 | Kieran Richardson | 2001 | West Ham United / Academy | ||
24 | Darren Fletcher | 2000 | Academy | ||
25 | Quinton Fortune | 1999 | Atlético Madrid | ||
41 | Floribert N'Galula | Anderlecht / Academy | |||
46 | Lee Martin | 2004 | Wimbledon / Academy | ||
Forwards | |||||
8 | Wayne Rooney | 2004 | Everton | ||
9 | Louis Saha | 2004 | Fulham | ||
10 | Ruud van Nistelrooy | 2001 | PSV Eindhoven | ||
20 | Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 1996 | Molde FK | ||
37 | Kenny Cooper | Academy |
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingjeff (talk • contribs) 03:12, January 5, 2006
The minor players really shouldn't have been there to begin with. This is the size of a typical team squad under this format. Kingjeff 03:40, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
You were looking to much at this paticular template with this paticular roster. Obviously specific team's will have there own main players. If I was actually editing Manchester United squad and not using it as an example, I would have actually picked which specific players to put in. Kingjeff 03:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated a series of minor players for deletion for non-notability reasons. Anyone interested please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dorchester Town footballers - all contributions welcome. Qwghlm 13:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I've nominated the 1972 Cup Winners Cup final for deletion. Go make your vote heard. -- Elisson • Talk 23:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wembley F.C. might be of interest to be people here. Qwghlm 21:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I've nominated Danish manager Allan Kembe-Stohr Morell for deletion, all votes welcome! Poulsen 21:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
The user AlexWilkes (talk · contribs) has been adding a lot to articles about English clubs recently, about each club's experiences in the FA Premier League (e.g. Aston_Villa_F.C.#Villa_in_the_Premiership). Unfortunately, this content is often a duplicate of what has already been mentioned in the club's history (and thus adds little new information), and is totally unwikified. In some cases, there is also a lot of unnecessary speculation. The duplicate content is, IMHO, severely reducing the quality of these articles by making them a disorganised mess.
Despite me asking him on his talk page to retract or merge his edits he is seemingly ploughing on regardless, so I think the best thing to do is just clean it up now and nip the problem in the bud. I am willing to go through some of his edits and make sure they're properly merged with what already exists but there are a lot of articles that need repairing and I could do with some assistance. All help gratefully received - let me know here or on my talk page. Thanks. Qwghlm 01:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
This page is constantly being under attack from vandals that change the names of (what I presume is) firms they don't like, or similar. As I don't have enough interrest and/or knowledge to see if a change is vandalism or an enhancement (unless it is obvious or related to Sweden which I do have knowledge about), I need help finding a way to make this stop. Do we have a member of the project that has knowledge about English football firms (the section being vandalized the most), or do we need to request the page to be semi-protected? -- Elisson • Talk 17:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm getting worried at this recent tendency to nominate football articles for deletion. To prevent it getting out of hand, I suggest that we work out a level at which clubs/players are considered notable enough and add it to the notablilty guidelines. Otherwise, we'll end up with 50+ AFDs for English non-league clubs, probably with clubs at the same level arbritrarily succeeding or failing depending on who bothers to vote on their nomination.
I'll start the ball rolling: I think any English football team that is eligible to play in the FA Vase or above is notable enough to have its own article. What does everyone else think? File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 22:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I think only the top 6 level clubs should have their players in wikipedia but actually I don't know english football that much so I'm not sure it really makes sense. Anyway we are still left with the problem of the promotion/relegation, i.e. if only the clubs in the first 6 levels of the english fls were chosen, we should add players that once played with a top6level club and this could mean many players. So to me the first 9 levels is too much unless we donate to wikipedia... Julien Tuerlinckx 22:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
IMHO, In England, a current club should be considered noteworthy if it participates in the FA Cup, at any stage (preliminaries included) - is this the same as CTAOGN's criterion, or do more teams take part in the Vase? Also, we should include former Football League members, clubs involved in the early history of the game (e.g. Sheffield F.C., West Auckland Town F.C.) and any other exceptionally noteworthy club (e.g. F.C. United of Manchester). For football outside of England, where there is less attention on non-league and semi-professional football, I am not so sure - perhaps the top 6 levels as Julien suggests. Qwghlm 23:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
This discussion over at the talk page of the clubs-subpage might be relevant and also function as a starter in this discussion that I too feel is needed. We need to make out standards for a lot of things, including articles on clubs, players, managers, referees, single matches, single-season reports, venues and much more. -- Elisson • Talk 23:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
My proposal about which football clubs should be included in Wikipedia is the following one:
About players, I guess it would be better to include just the ones who played in a top division or a national football team. Second-division players, in my opinion, don't deserve to have an article. --Angelo 00:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
For footballers, I would say (to use England as an example), anyone who has ever played in the Premier or Football League plus anyone who currently plays in the Conference is worth keeping. ArtVandelay13 10:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Football in Wikipedia is quickly growing, and more and more players' articles have a related Infobox in which several interesting information is contained (like career, and more).
So, I propose to make another Infobox for the football managers too. I think people like Alex Ferguson, Fabio Capello and José Mourinho deserve to have one. In the case, we should keep in mind that most (but not all) managers were also players in their past years. --Angelo 16:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
As there'll probably be a lot of discussion on this, I've set up a page at /Notability for it. File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 06:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Tierney Weighting System - what do we reckon? To me, it just looks like one non-notable guy's attempt to rank football clubs - it seems arbitrary and probable original research. I'd nominate it for AfD but I'd like a wider opinion first. Qwghlm 11:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I thought I'd open a discussion about how to refer to clubs in player bios - quite often users write the full club name, including F.C. every time, which, while providing total clarity, doesn't necessarily read very well. An example is Andy Bishop. I think, once the person has been established as a footballer, you need only enter the 'common' club name, e.g. York City. You can even go further than that - football has its own disambiguation system, so you can refer to Northampton Town as simply Northampton, as there is no ambiguity, but, say, Manchester City have to be differentiated by their neighbours. Of course the links themselves would always go to the full club name, which would provide any more information the users need. But I think doing it this way would make a lot of the articles read better. ArtVandelay13 13:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated some more non-league footballers' bios for deletion - please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gloucester City footballers. All comments welcome. Qwghlm 18:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated an article about Massimiliano Tacchinardi, a guy, just famous for being brother of Alessio Tacchinardi, who played two times for Inter Milan before to actually disappear from the football world. --Angelo 19:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I just came across this article, and while I was able to do somewhat to help it, it needs the attention of someone who knows more about soccer(see, you can tell I don't, as I call the sport by the wrong name... ;-)). Thanks for all your work! The article on Football (soccer) positions was quite helpful to me. JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I think there's enough interest in English non-league football for a monthly collaboration now, so I'm thinking about setting one up. Would anyone have any strong objections to it being part of this WikiProject (I know some people on here aren't overly keen on the subject)? I could set up a sub-project or separate project, or even just run it from my user page. I'm just trying to get some opinions on what would be most appropriate, but I think some sort of noticeboard for people working on non-league articles would be useful so I'm leaning towards a sub-project. Anyone who'd be interested in contributing, please leave a message on my talk page. File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 14:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
You may have noticed the entire Forest Green Rovers squad has been added to Wikipedia, all by the same user. I think this is a good thing, but they are a bit of a mess. Anyone else interested in helping tidy them up? I've done a few. ArtVandelay13 15:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? I noticed your list of FAs, are there any others? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look at my proposal on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Templates and leave your comments on it. -- Elisson • Talk 19:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I've created this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Non-league football and listed it as a subproject. CTOAGN (talk) 20:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
One thing that I find awkward throughout football related articles are the myraid ways that people represent seasons. There's 2005-2006, 2005-06, 05-06, 2005/2006, 2005/06, 05/06 and then the hyphen can end up being replaced by a minus, an endash, an emdash or some other variant and that's all before considering the addition of whitespace! While each of these is valid and I can see situations where diversity is useful (eg shorter versions for use in tables, longer for titles), perhaps agreeing on a common style for normal use would be beneficial? My personal preference would be for 2005–06 (2005–06). Veila 05:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
FYI, their was a move of two articles Republic of Ireland national football team and Northern Ireland national football teamtoRepublic of Ireland national soccer team and Northern Ireland national soccer team. Their is currently a discussion to move the two articles back to their previous names. See:Talk:Republic of Ireland national soccer team and Talk:Northern Ireland national soccer team. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 00:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes i'm new to all this. Just done some minor editing on a few Football pages - but i'd like to get involved with the Football project. First steps: Am I literally just adding my name to the participants section on the main page?--Cavs 17:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Kingjeff has decided to make major "improvements" to this page without discussing them anywhere first. Could you add it to your watchlist and revert any blanking/general nonsense as necessary? Thanks, CTOAGN (talk) 23:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I have created an alternative version of the football manager infobox, named {{football manager infobox2}}, just for resolving the issue about unknown or missing info about the playing career of a manager. --Angelo 23:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)