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:::::As for the issue regarding removing Obama this, Republican that, etc. from the lead, I would not be opposed to neutralizing it. Such things are much better handled in the body of the article. That being said, to properly summarize the article per [[WP:LEAD]], there must be a neutral way to say there has been an ongoing controversy regarding the event, without getting into the back and forth which has occurred.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 19:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC) |
:::::As for the issue regarding removing Obama this, Republican that, etc. from the lead, I would not be opposed to neutralizing it. Such things are much better handled in the body of the article. That being said, to properly summarize the article per [[WP:LEAD]], there must be a neutral way to say there has been an ongoing controversy regarding the event, without getting into the back and forth which has occurred.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 19:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Support move to the title [[2012 attack on U.S. Consulate in Benghazi]].'''<small>(Possibly "the U.S. Consulate"; I can't decide. [[User:Red Slash|< |
*'''Support move to the title [[2012 attack on U.S. Consulate in Benghazi]].'''<small>(Possibly "the U.S. Consulate"; I can't decide. [[User:Red Slash|<font color="#FF4131">Red </font>]][[User talk:Red Slash|<b><font color="#460121">Slash</font></b>]] 21:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)</small> I reserve the right to support a similar title, but both the current title and the proposed one are far too vague. [[User:Red Slash|<font color="#FF4131">Red </font>]][[User talk:Red Slash|<b><font color="#460121">Slash</font></b>]] 21:20, 31 May 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''OPPOSE all changes''' - "Consulate attack" cannot be used, as we do not know that it was a consulate, and many sources say it wasn’t. Nor can "diplomatic mission", as some sources say it was a CIA operation, which would not be "diplomatic". There is absolutely no reason to remove the "2012" which is necessary for disambiguation. "Benghazi attack" is about as vague a name as is possible. There is no way that Wikipedia can use that as a title. The present one is here because we lack information about what was attacked. Once we know, we can move it to "2012 Benghazi so and so attack". Until then, it should remain here. Removing the "2012" goes in the wrong direction. Furthermore, RCLC, moving it to "Benghazi attack" would still not be grounds for including the title in the lead. The guideline does not refer to whether or not the title is "common name", but the type of manipulative phrasing that is necessary to include it. It would still lead to awkward phrasing, like "the term so and so refers to". I do not know why you think it is so important for the title of the article to be in the lead, when [[WP:LEAD]] makes it clear that this is not at all necessary, and that, sometimes, it should be avoided. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] ([[User talk:RGloucester|talk]]) 22:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC) |
*'''OPPOSE all changes''' - "Consulate attack" cannot be used, as we do not know that it was a consulate, and many sources say it wasn’t. Nor can "diplomatic mission", as some sources say it was a CIA operation, which would not be "diplomatic". There is absolutely no reason to remove the "2012" which is necessary for disambiguation. "Benghazi attack" is about as vague a name as is possible. There is no way that Wikipedia can use that as a title. The present one is here because we lack information about what was attacked. Once we know, we can move it to "2012 Benghazi so and so attack". Until then, it should remain here. Removing the "2012" goes in the wrong direction. Furthermore, RCLC, moving it to "Benghazi attack" would still not be grounds for including the title in the lead. The guideline does not refer to whether or not the title is "common name", but the type of manipulative phrasing that is necessary to include it. It would still lead to awkward phrasing, like "the term so and so refers to". I do not know why you think it is so important for the title of the article to be in the lead, when [[WP:LEAD]] makes it clear that this is not at all necessary, and that, sometimes, it should be avoided. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] ([[User talk:RGloucester|talk]]) 22:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' "Benghazi attack" per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner|talk]]) 03:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' "Benghazi attack" per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner|talk]]) 03:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC) |
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