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== Time zones? ==

For the Orbital Flight Test, the lead gives the landing time in UTC, which I understand, and EST, whichIdon't. The landing wasinNew Mexico new Mexico isn't on Eastern Standard Time. Am I missing something? [[User:Fcrary|Fcrary]] ([[User talk:Fcrary|talk]]) 23:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

:Boeing Mission Control is located at the Kennedy Space Center, which is in EST. For the same reason, you'll often see NASA missions noted in CST (Houston's time zone). [[User:Wilford Nusser|Wilford Nusser]] ([[User talk:Wilford Nusser|talk]]) 15:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

== Requested move 15 June 2020 ==

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[[:Boeing CST-100 Starliner]] → {{no redirect|Boeing Starliner}} – PTG pointed out on [[commons:Category talk:Crew Dragon|Category talk:Crew Dragon]], {{xt|I've seen it referred to as "Boeing Starliner" way, way, way more often than "CST-100 Starliner"}}. Therefore, {{xt|Boeing Starliner}} is [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Cf [[Lunar Gateway]] (previously {{!xt|Lunar Orbital Platform–Gateway}}). [[User:Soumya-8974|Soumya-8974]] ^{[[User talk:Soumya-8974|talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Soumya-8974|contribs]]} ^{[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Soumya-8974|subpages]]} 05:32, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<small>—'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]) 15:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)</small>

* I noticed that the title was requested before, but was rejected as it was not [[WP:COMMONNAME]] back then. --[[User:Soumya-8974|Soumya-8974]] ^{[[User talk:Soumya-8974|talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Soumya-8974|contribs]]} ^{[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Soumya-8974|subpages]]} 05:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' as per previous consensus and explanations. Its still not [[WP:COMMONNAME]][[User:Amkgp| ~ Amkgp]] [[User talk:Amkgp|<big>💬</big>]] 14:52, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

*: Those statements are outdated, and although NASA use {{xt|Boeing CST-100 Starliner}} on their articles,<ref>{{cite web|first1=James|last1=Cawley|accessdate=2020-06-15|title=Boeing and NASA Approach Milestone Orbital Flight Test|url=http://www.nasa.gov/feature/boeing-and-nasa-approach-milestone-orbital-flight-test|date=2019-12-16|website=NASA|quote=The uncrewed mission for NASA’s Commercial Crew Program will rendezvous and dock {{xt|Boeing’s CST-100 Starliner}} spacecraft with the International Space Station and return to Earth on Dec. 28. Starliner will launch atop a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket from Space Launch Complex 41 (SLC-41) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida.}}</ref> {{xt|Boeing Starliner}} is still used on reliable sources.<ref>{{cite web|first1=Mike Wall 11|last1=June 2020|accessdate=2020-06-15|title=Virtual reality will be a big part of {{xt|Boeing's Starliner}} astronaut training|url=https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-capsule-virtual-reality-astronaut-training.html|website=Space.com}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|accessdate=2020-06-15|title={{xt|Boeing Starliner}} spacecraft goes off course and fails mission|url=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/boeing-starliner-spacecraft-goes-off-course-and-fails-mission|date=2019-12-20|website=Washington Examiner}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|accessdate=2020-06-15|title=NASA announces test flight crew change for {{xt|Boeing's Starliner}}|url=https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/01/nasa-test-flight-crew-change-boeings-starliner/|date=2019-01-22}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|first1=Eric|last1=Berger|accessdate=2020-06-15|title=Starliner flies for the first time, but one of its parachutes failed to deploy|url=https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/11/starliner-flies-for-the-first-time-but-one-of-its-parachutes-failed-to-deploy/|date=2019-11-04|website=Ars Technica|quote=On a cold Monday morning in New Mexico, {{xt|Boeing's Starliner}} spacecraft took flight for the first time. Under the power of its main launch abort engines, the capsule accelerated to 650mph in just 5 seconds during a demonstration of its escape system.}}</ref> --[[User:Soumya-8974|Soumya-8974]] ^{[[User talk:Soumya-8974|talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Soumya-8974|contribs]]} ^{[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Soumya-8974|subpages]]} 17:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

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* '''Suppoer''' – It's about time. CST-100 was a technical designation used during capsule development. The ''Starliner'' name is now preferred by most RS. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] ^{[[User talk:JFG|talk]]} 06:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Oppose'''. In fact, I would rather have it renamed to ''Boeing CST-100''. [[User:Mikus|Mikus]] ([[User talk:Mikus|talk]]) 22:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Oppose''' [[User:Timmccloud|Timmccloud]] ([[User talk:Timmccloud|talk]]) 16:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Relisting comment''' If I closed this right now, I'd have to disregard much of the opposition. Opposers should provide evidence of RS preferring the current name as over the proposed name if they intend to rebut the nominator's assertion, which is backed by (at least some) sources. --[[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]) 15:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Support''' – I second JFG's sentiment that it indeed is about time. Here's a selection of sources – all from 2020 – that specifically refer to the spacecraft as "{{xt|Boeing Starliner}}".<ref>"[https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2020/06/03/despite-spacex-success-nasa-will-pay-russia-90-million-to-take-us-astronaut-to-the-iss/ Despite SpaceX Success NASA Will Pay Russia $90 Million To Take U.S. Astronaut To The ISS]", [[Forbes]], "{{xt|The expectation is cosmonauts will fly on Crew Dragon and '''Boeing Starliner''' and vice versa. [...] Boeing will fly a second uncrewed flight test of its '''CST-100 Starliner''' vehicle later in 2020.}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/boeing-starliner-astronauts-vr-training/ Astronauts are using VR to train for the Boeing Starliner capsule]", [[Digital Trends]], "{{xt|'''Boeing Starliner''' Spacecraft Crew Module}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.engadget.com/virgin-galactic-nasa-private-citizens-iss-122804738.html Virgin Galactic signs NASA deal to take private citizens to the ISS]", [[Engadget]], "{{xt|That could involve training and possibly brokering trips on the SpaceX Crew Dragon, '''Boeing Starliner''' or Russia's Soyuz Capsule.}}"</ref><ref>"[https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/02/07/investigators-fault-boeing-for-potentially-catastrophic-software-errors-in-starliner-test-flight/ NASA, Boeing managers admit problems with Starliner software verification]", Spaceflight Now, "{{xt|Two software errors detected after launch of a Boeing Starliner crew ship during an unpiloted test flight last December [...] Neither Loverro, NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine nor '''Boeing Starliner''' project manager John Mulholland [...] The '''Boeing CST-100 Starliner''' was launched from Cape Canaveral...}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/science/boeing-starliner-nasa.html Boeing Starliner Flight's Flaws Show 'Fundamental Problem,' NASA Says]", ''[[The New York Times]]'', "{{xt|The '''Boeing Starliner''' test capsule landing in White Sands, N.M., on Dec. 22.}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/space/2020/02/07/boeing-starliner-test-launch-investigation NASA: Boeing Starliner Test Could Have Ended in Catastrophe]", [[News 13]], "{{xt|Despite the '''Starliner''' not making it to the ISS as planned, the joint NASA-'''Boeing Starliner''' team successfully took corrective actions...}}"</ref> Note that only two of these seven sources even mention the "{{xt|CST-100}}" part of the name. In addition, here's a selection of sources which describe it as "{{xt|Boeing's Starliner}}" without once mentioning the "{{xt|CST-100}}" part of the name.<ref>"[https://www.space.com/spacex-astronaut-launch-russia-space-chief-comments.html Russian space chief weighs in on SpaceX's historic astronaut launch]", [[Space.com]], "{{xt|lights by SpaceX's Crew Dragon capsule and, eventually, '''Boeing's Starliner''' spacecraft should largely replace the Russian Soyuz missions...}}"</ref><ref>"[https://mashable.com/article/boeing-varjo-space-simulator-vr-training/ Boeing's new VR simulator immerses astronauts in space training]", [[Mashable]], "{{xt|'''Boeing's Starliner''' craft is headed to space, but first its astronauts are training in virtual reality.}}"</ref><ref>"[https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/nasa-declares-starliner-mishap-a-high-visibility-close-call/ NASA declares Starliner mishap a "high visibility close call"]", [[Ars Technica]], "{{xt|After pondering the totality of issues that arose during a December test flight of '''Boeing's Starliner''' spacecraft this week...}}"</ref><ref>"[https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/tech/boeing-starliner-spacecraft-software-testing-safety-issues-scn/index.html Boeing's Starliner spacecraft is built to carry astronauts, but safety concerns loom]", [[CNN]], "{{xt|Boeing's Starliner spacecraft [...] John Mulholland, manager of '''Boeing's Starliner''' program...}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2020/02/28/boeing-starliner-software-glitch-missed-due-shortened-test/4894930002/ Boeing skipped test and missed Starliner software problem]", [[USA Today]], "{{xt|'''Boeing's Starliner''' capsule sits atop a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket...}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/02/07/boeing-starliner-software-problems/ NASA finds 'fundamental' software problems in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft]", [[The Washington Post]], "{{xt|Investigators probing the botched flight of '''Boeing's Starliner''' spacecraft in December...}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/02/boeing-nasa-starliner-software-problems/606361/ NASA Will Only Tolerate So Much Danger]", [[The Atlantic]], "{{xt|Timing is everything, especially in spaceflight, and that's where '''Boeing's Starliner''' first had trouble.}}"</ref><ref>"[https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/boeing-starliner-410-million-to-redo-failed-astronaut-flight-test.html Boeing takes $410 million charge to redo failed astronaut flight test if NASA requires]", [[CNBC]], "{{xt|...as NASA would look to buy seats on '''Boeing's Starliner''' capsule and SpaceX's Crew Dragon.}}"</ref> The point is, the "{{xt|CST-100}}" part of the name is no longer used often enough to justify its use to disambiguate the article now that it is declining as a commonly recognisable name per [[Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names|Wikipedia's policy on commonly recognisable article titles]]. Regardless of this, "{{xt|Boeing Starliner}}" is also concise enough per [[Wikipedia:Article titles#Conciseness|Wikipedia's policy on conciseness in article titles]], while "{{xt|Boeing CST-100 Starliner}}" is too precise per [[Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision and disambiguation|Wikipedia's policy on precision in article titles]].

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:– ''<span style="color:#00543c;">PhilipTerryGraham</span> ([[User talk:PhilipTerryGraham|talk]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Articles|articles]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|reviews]])'' 10:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Support'''. [[CST-100 Starliner]] would be an option (that doesn't need more disambiguation) but [[Starliner]] is not available and we have a pattern of "companyname product" that is easy to follow here. --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 14:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' – {{Reply to|Mdaniels5757}} What's your current opinion on closing this discussion, now that any opposing arguments have failed to materialise in the eight days since you relisted the discussion? – ''<span style="color:#00543c;">PhilipTerryGraham</span> ([[User talk:PhilipTerryGraham|talk]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Articles|articles]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|reviews]])'' 05:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

*:I think the consensus is fairly clearly in favor of a move, but since my relisting comment could be construed as taking a side (even though it wasn't, IMO), I'll leave this for someone else to close. Best, --[[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]) 14:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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== Specification - masses ==

To help comparison with Crew Dragon it would be helpful if we could add dry mass, and max cargo to the info box - [[User:Rod57|Rod57]] ([[User talk:Rod57|talk]]) 21:01, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

== Spacecraft 3 for Starliner-1 ==

Is that still right? Calypso is planned to fly CFT and then Starliner-1 as well? The only source I find is older than the OFT - made at a point where Spacecraft 2 was plannedtofly CFT. With the added OFT-2 I think this source is obsolete. --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 19:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

:I changed it to "TBD". --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 04:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

The Boeing CST-100[a] Starliner[5] is a class of reusable crew capsules expected to transport crew to the International Space Station (ISS) [6] and other low Earth orbit destinations.[7] It is manufactured by Boeing for its participation in NASA's Commercial Crew Program. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.76.112.31|130.76.112.31]] ([[User talk:130.76.112.31#top|talk]]) 21:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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20 December 2019, 11:36:43 N/A First uncrewed orbital test flight of Starliner. The mission's main objective of ISS rendezvous was aborted due to software incorrectly keeping mission time, leading to a late orbital insertion burn with excessive fuel expenditure. Starliner landed in New Mexico two days after launch.[74][75][76][61]

2 days Mission Partially Completed <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.76.112.31|130.76.112.31]] ([[User talk:130.76.112.31#top|talk]]) 21:35, 23 December 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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