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The Israel Defense Forces order a mass evacuation of Palestinians from the entire eastern half of Khan Yunis and surrounding areas in anticipation of a new ground assault on the city. (AP)
A car driving the wrong way in central Seoul, South Korea, strikes pedestrians waiting at a traffic light, killing nine people and injuring four others. (AP)
A court in Pakistan sentences a Christian man to death for sharing hateful content against Muslimsonsocial media after anti-Christian mob attacks burned dozens of homes and Christian churches in 2023. (AP)
In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court of the United States rules 6–3 that presidents have presumed absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts taken in exercising constitutional powers while serving as president, and have no immunity for "unofficial acts". (CNN)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Comment: I thought about nominating this article. One notable aspect about this hurricane is that it is the earliest Category 4 on record in the Atlantic Ocean. If this gets posted, this information might be worth mentioning in the blurb. I have proposed an alt (which might need some tweaks). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me.21:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait/Oppose. Full impacts aren't known yet, however the article body does not yet substantiate the "extensive damage" claim at the moment. The record, while interesting, is very much trivia, and a record for being category 4 is obscure. Cat 5 maybe we can talk, but not a category 4 record. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until we know more about the human impact of the storm. It's early in the season, and both this storm and other storms may yet cause more damage. As it stands, I'd oppose, but I don't want to pre-empt things as the situation develops. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Support Blurb truly a transformative figure and one of the greatest writer of our time and thank god, it has an legacy section that helps understand his impact. PrinceofPunjabTALK13:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Can’t say I’m familiar with him, but the legacy section defines his elevated significance quite well, and we did blurb Milan Kundera not that long ago. TheKip(contribs)15:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb on notability Murnane, Munro, McCarthy, Byatt, Oe, Auster, Amis, Kundera, Barth ... Out of all the notable literary deaths of the past two years, Kadare was one of the greatest. There's a bibliography, so you know what that means. Sincerely, Dilettante16:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb after fixing quality issues this is exactly what we should expect for a blurb able RD, an extensive discussion in the article about how they are a great figure. And this is a person I have not heard of but the type of person we should be highlighting at RD. Obviously there's an orange tag and a few smaller quality problems to be fixed before posting. Masem (t) 17:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I tried to address the outstanding CN tags in the article. Sourced or put an ISBN for the English translations, but I do not have the time to source the complete works in Albanian. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me.20:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Old Man Dies One sentence update about a Tirana hospital, years of ill health and reaching 88. Mundane obituary stuff. Big deal in the literary life, sure, but his death doesn't affect that in any way whatsoever. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Old Man Dies' is an obnoxious response to proposed stories of this kind. You're saying more about yourself than about the news by your repeated use of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Influential in his field (kinda think Munro should’ve been blurbed too but oh well). Article could be updated a bit better to reflect his death / reactions. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Blurb - I'm not an expert, but the article seems to support well, with citations, the proposition that he was a genuinely outstanding figure in the literary world. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Don't know about this guy (maybe I should?) but apparently he was "one of the greatest writers and intellectuals of the 20th and 21st centuries." I guess that's pretty solid. Bremps...23:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed) New Indian Criminal Code comes into effect[edit]
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Oppose I wondered what "Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita" meant as I don't speak Hindi. The nominated article doesn't tell me so I have to go to Google Translate to find that it means "Indian Judicial Code". My impression is that this is much the same as before with the usual offences of theft, murder, etc. It's just that everything has been rewritten in Hindi rather than English, right? But this is the English language Wikipedia and so the topic is more suitable for हिन्दी विकिपीडिया. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I am an Indian and I would say that this is not something worth mentioning in the ITN. Almost all the rules and laws are same expect for few notable exceptions. This is not something that is changing India drastically. Also, picture of the constitution has got nothing to do with it. PrinceofPunjabTALK13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article does not make it seem like much has changed through the new code. It does have a criticism section, but the criticism about new changes the code has seems to be limited to ambiguous phrases it introduces. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Sam Mostyn as new Governor-General of Australia[edit]
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Oppose good faith nom. Kind of a ceremonial stand in for the head of state. The prime minister holds the power and technically King Charles III is the head of state. So I'm not seeing any real significance here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as the governor-general is mostly a ceremonial role. As the lead of the article says: "In almost all instances the governor-general only exercises de jure power..." Gödel2200 (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) United States President granted criminal immunity[edit]
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Oppose — This is a standard and expected ruling that has no personal significance to the country, unlike Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him)14:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because it's an ongoing event as part of a larger legal process (Trump indictments) and wasn't a conviction or acquittal like the New York trial. It's not suitable for ITN. JohnAdams1800TALK15:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support because of the immense significance of this decision. ITN has had an anti-US bias that prevents most posters on here from recognizing the obvious importance of extremely significant news stories for far too long, and the opposition expressed above to one of the most noteworthy Supreme Court decisions in the lifetime of anyone reading this is an exceptionally good illustration of that. IntoThinAir (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose both the topic and the blurb. The decision is more nuanced than described in the blurb. And ElijahPepe is correct that this is not a "major upset" (to use sports jargon). EvergreenFir(talk)16:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose since this goes back to lower courts to rule what actions are or aren't immune now, which most pundits I've seen will still leave some of the table. If anything, the three decisions to nuke the administrative state (Jarsky, Loper Bright, and corner Post) are actually far more impactful but even then not ITN worthy material. Masem (t) 17:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Sri Lankan politician. Been in the parliament for 6 terms, and as opposition leader for 1 term. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, was. So far, his article doesn't seem to reflect that he was a supposedly transformative figure, but it might just be due to omissions. Bremps...03:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, leading the opposition in parliament for a term isn't really blurb-worthy. If a blurb has to be chosen, altblurb 3 is the most concise and fluff-free. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 03:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Nowhere close to the expected type of coverage/content to describe being a "great figure" in Sri Lanka politics. Perhaps important being the opposition leader, but that doesn't equate to "great". --Masem (t) 03:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD The prose and citations are there for an RD mention; the very few uncited statements are not controversial. A blurb is obviously not going to happen and is not worth discussing. -- Kicking222 (talk) 08:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - I don't think we'd generally consider a blurb for a politician who had never actually led a nation or government from any country. I wouldn't, at least. Politics is an important field, as I often say, but this isn't being at the top of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
M23 rebels take control of Kayna, Luofu, Kanyabayonga, and surrounding areas after heavy fighting with FARDC. Almost the entire population of Kanyabayonga, including refugees it had taken in from Rutshuru, flee the rebel advance. The town is considered a pathway to the cities of Butembo and Beni. (Radio Okapi)(VOA)
Oppose The article doesn't mention what group (if any) the attackers were a part of, and it is currently too barebones to be posted to the main page. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
princess widow of King Hassan II, mother of the current King of Morocco Mohammed VI. Article is short (she had a very discreet role and it seems that little is known about her), but almost ready. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly Support I don't have a problem with a creepy video still for an obscure quasiroyal figure, given the state of VHS recording even in Denmark at the time, but a section called Biography within a biography makes me strangely uneasy. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not ready for the front page. I tried following note 1, and it appears to be an OR justification of some of the terminology used elsewhere in that paragraph. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support. Article seems well-cited (I spotted two CN tags, but they were for "self-evident" items that don't need an explicit single source) And there seems to be sufficient prose for each section. Overall rather well-done; good to see that much attention quickly: the number one cause of ITN/R sports stories going unposted is usually because the article remains a mess of tables with no cited prose. Good job on the editors to get this past that. Nottheking (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
I cannot get to source #3, which is extensively used throughout the article. Could someone who can get to that source please archive it (e.g. to the Wayback Machine)? In addition, the date of birth is unreferenced. Schwede6619:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support: Death is reliably sourced. Article is reasonably complete and well-referenced, with no major issues apparent, tagged, or mentioned on the talk page. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready, I CN tagged some the areas needing an inline citation -- usually when there was not a source after a couple of sentences. I do not doubt they are the same citations used elsewhere in the same section, but lots of factual claims being made without an inline follow up. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me.05:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose due to a whole paragraph of unsourced information in the background section. Also, the lead of the article only states the preliminary results, so we may want to wait until the final results come out. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support unless it's been changed by now, but I don't see an unsourced background section paragraph, the article looks good. Scu ba (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scu ba, see the end of the first and second paragraphs of the background section. The second paragraph is the one with no sources. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it now, looks like it was initially added in the .ru version which was then copied and translated to the .en version 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC) Scu ba (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. Justice Department charges 193 people, including 76 medical professionals, with participating in healthcare fraud schemes totalling $2.75 billion, which include unlawful distribution of Adderall and fraudulent drug addiction treatment. (Reuters)
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Multiple paragraphs with zero footnotes. Filmography and Discography sections are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Former footballer who represented Cameroon at senior international level, and played for Nancy, Celtic and Bordeaux, among other clubs. Unfortunately, the article is still in poor shape, and might use some more citations, but it's definitely nothing "unfixable". Oltrepier (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Niger's ministry of defence announces three days of national mourning following yesterday's ambush of security forces near the village of Tassia in Tillabéri Region, which killed at least 20 soldiers and a civilian and injured several others. (Al Jazeera)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
The infobox and stats table indicate that the subject represented his country on multiple occasions, but the prose lack materials on his international career. This gap in coverage needs to be filled. --PFHLai (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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American politician: Louisiana House of Representatives and New Orleans City Council. Could do with a few more citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me.16:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Political section is mostly election results as well as 2 sentences about an emails controversy; what else did Clarkson achieve or advocate for while in elected positions? SpencerT•C04:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is already a little bit longer now, although it can still very much be improved. Given the importance and recency of the situation, it should be okay for posting. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it has a dozenWP:RS citations now. It's still a work in progress, but it's only a matter of time before this gets to the front page. A short amount of time, if you ask me. Kire1975 (talk) 21:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, if leaning towards wait. The big question for that is the disposition/fate of Luis Arce, which so far no news seems to have reported. (e.g, was he not there? Did he escape? Did the coup capture him?) I suspect that we'll get an answer on that within a few hours anyway. As long as the articles remain as decently-cited as they are now, it should be good to post. Nottheking (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a classic WAIT. If sucessful, then yes to posting. If it all fizzles out in a few hours with no or minimal loss of lives and the arrest of the soliders etc., then that's not something we normally (or should) post. -- KTC (talk) 22:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Troops have pulled out, so it likely failed, but it is still a notable event. If this happened in a similarly-sized country in Europe, it would absolutely have been posted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The long term historical record may be, but since the CIA stopped doing that sort of thing, they are rare in South America now too. HiLo48 (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. There's enough unqualified support here for a consensus and quality seems OK now. Only the coup article bolded though, not the BLP per usual convention. — Amakuru (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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A renowned Kazakh-born Russian poet, a founding member of the "Moscow Time" group of Soviet underground poets. Recipient of several notable Russian literary prizes, said to have been nominated for the Nobel prize.
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Oppose - total of one sentence in the entire bolded article referencing the news item. Not to get WP:CRYSTALBALL, but this is a symbolic move that likely will not have many consequences, similar to Putin's arrest warrant (other than restricting travel). In particular, the NYT article states, "That makes it highly unlikely that Mr. Shoigu and General Gerasimov will be taken into custody in the foreseeable future". Also covered by the Ongoing section; could be considered part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Finally, another article for the arrest warrants does not yet exist (as exists at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova), and including that article in the blurb, or at least mentioning the subjects of the warrants, would be more appropriate. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The last time ITN was fooled into posting something like this, the most significant consequence was Main Page readers having to look at Putin smiling at them for an unreasonably (and perhaps uncomfortably) long time; I don't know what these guys look like, but I'm pretty anyone smiling in an official portrait is the entirely wrong look for this harmless-yet-ill-intended sort of news. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - As PrinceOfPunjab says, Putin was worth posting as head of state, but this is a subsidiary matter and not suitable for ITN. It very much falls under Ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support At this time of year, the lives of millions of students and their families around the world are dominated by such high-stakes examinations. This is clearly more significant than local sporting events, say, and so it's good to run a relevant item. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh what a mess. I think the main difficulty here is that there's no specific date tied to when this controversy began. Moreover, the article doesn't currently mention any real protests. I think mass protests would be a reasonable date to blurb this, but otherwise the current system of ITN is not really designed for slowly-increasing controversies. Article looks good tho, so I am open for improved blurb ideas. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Paper leaks and student protests are routine and recurring events in India. These have no large significance outside the country. — hako9 (talk) 18:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Fraudulent issues in the Indian education system are regular. This one has a more coverage than usual but it's still not ITN-worthy. Black Kite (talk)18:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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A gunman kills five people and critically injures a girl in North Las Vegas, Nevada, then kills himself upon being confronted by the police the following day. (Reuters)
Thousands of anti-tax protestors assault and set the Parliament of Kenya building in Nairobion fire, as riots begin following the approval of a finance bill. The ceremonial mace is also stolen by protesters. Ten people are killed and more than 50 others are injured as police open fire on protestors. (Al Jazeera)(BBC News)
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Spanish footballer with 150 La Liga games for three big teams and a European final goal astonishingly didn't have an English page in his lifetime. The page covers aspects of his career, though I suppose more about his life would come from the El Diario Vasco source that is paywalled. All references to numbers and statistics are sourced from BDFutbol in the external links, though I can inline that if needs be. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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We did post when it arrived at the moon, and per ITNR, its successful return is also there. Unfortunately, I don't know how much more than a sentence update (both lede and body) can be made here, given that it is China and news from there tends to be iffy. There definitely needs to be a better update before posting. --Masem (t) 04:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per nom, can't see how the realization of what was always supposed to happen on this moonrock-collecting mission gets any bigger or better than this. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The composition of the far side is different and so return of these samples is significant. As this is the main point of the mission and it's ITN/R , we should note its success. Note also that the Starliner is not going so well and so such success cannot be taken for granted. And adding more sentences to the article will be easy – just give me a moment. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - It's good news, but we already ran with the moon landing as the major event of this mission, and I don't think we need this as well. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if it had been optimal if we had only blurbed this article upon Chang'e's return, and not on landing. Then we would've had the best of both worlds. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, new frontier in science and a nice break from bad news. I don't think it's newsworthy enough to give it the picture slot too, though. - Moonreach (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, an update to the status of an article about a notable topic of broad public interest. There's no rule that something can only ever be mentioned on ITN once and I don't see why that should be factored into the decision. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Already posted this, and not ITN/R. If and when there are humans landing on the moon and then returning again, that might be momentous enough to post twice. But this is more of an incremental achievement IMHO. — Amakuru (talk) 09:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment removed from ITNR. ITNR does list "Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations" as suitable events, but that seems to only be referring to outgoing spacecraft. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Earth is beyond the path of lunar orbit. Otherwise we'd crash. The only question (which might not even matter) is whether we're in front of the moon or behind it. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No rocks have been recovered from the moon since the Apollo and Luna missions in the 1970s, and they are exceedingly rare. This is the only sample return mission from a state other than USA or USSR. Polyamorph (talk) 07:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support These rocks are from the far side of the moon and as such are unique in the history of lunar exploration. Very important to cover it — Iadmc♫talk 10:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the mission was not complete until this landing. Going to and picking up rocks from the far side of the Moon is one thing, getting those back to a predetermined Earth landing area finishes the historic mission with a success and a civilizational 'first'. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American Samoan professional wrestler. WWE Hall of Fame. Needs some more citations (I have added some tags and the banner), but it seems people are updating the article. If you know who should be considered an updater, please add to nom. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me.22:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mean to put words into Duke's mouth, but I heard support on notability is just a polite euphemism for oppose here at ITN. Bremps...04:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! For real! This photo of Sika Anoa‘i is clickbait indeed! An attention grabber. Surely the page views for his RD would go through the roof! Seriously though, hopefully the RD/photo option will be implemented someday …I hope so, as you may know, from the discussion on the Talk page that you recently participated in re: this RD/photo option. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 04:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is an embarrassment that the article on the attack is longer than the one on the buildings. And that the article on the buildings is longer than the one on the parliament itself. Fine set of priorities we're encouraging here. —Cryptic16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and possible POV issues. The details of the bill should be sourced to third parties, particularly claims that are not clearly part of the bill's language. Masem (t) 17:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb on basis of notability, but some expansion would be needed. A national parliament of a major African nation being set on fire is certainly noteworthy. International newspapers seem to be increasing their coverage of the event, so hopefully there will soon be more info to beef up the article.Khuft (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, on quality at this time. Support on notability and should the article(s) improve. Kenya Finance Bill protests article needs some work. Some of the details are wrong and some are trivial. The causalities section contradicts the infobox. Parts of the lede are not addressed in the body, making some elements seem undue. 2024 Parliament of Kenya attack is sparse with details. Needs work IMO. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me.23:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the rioters/protestors are killing their own the security forces are behind the deaths. If/when confirmation comes, we should add that to the blurb instead of relying on passive voice. Bremps...22:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Judge needs to approve of this. That's probably the better time to consider. He may be going right back into jail if the judge denies. --Masem (t) 01:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added an alt blurb which is accurate even today as he was already released from the British prison, but the best time to post it would be when the U.S. judge actually approves the deal. And since that's supposed to happen within 24 hours, it should work out well. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's my bad. The blurb wording had be thinking otherwise. Probably should have taken a look for myself then. Thanks for the correction, I will strike my oppose and make it a support. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While his article is well sourced, it is overly detailed and has a lot of proseline. It would be nice if that could be cleaned up before tomorrow. --Masem (t) 02:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb which I just added, and post it when the U.S. judge formally approves the deal, which should happen around 7 p.m. ET on Tuesday. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting after the judge in Saipan approves the deal. Noteworthy, he's already out of prison on his way to Saipan and will appear in about 23 hours. Can someone with more memory of ITN archives comment on whether it's normal to use plea bargain as the "outcome" in this sort of blurb, or perhaps should something like "after pleading guilty (to [charge/s])" be used instead? -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, that's not great either. We can have a temporary picture (either the old photo or the protesters) and hope someone takes a good photo after his release and freely licenses it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait There seem to be at least 3 countries involved in this – Australia, UK and US. His article says that there are significant "legal issues in Australia" so what's their status now? There seems to have been some change in the Australian government position as "The Australian government has been pushing hard for a couple of years now for this case to end". Is this part of the AUKUS deal? And the outcome still seems ongoing as it's conceivable that Assange might skip bail now as he's done it before. I don't think we should focus on the plea bargain as many or most US cases end in some such deal. As there seems to have been some sort of unusual multinational agreement, we should highlight that. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Numerous sources report that he was released from Belmarsh because the High Court in London granted him bail. See the BBC, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - While it's a long-running and occasionally high-focus case, this ending to it is something of a damp squib, and I'm far from convinced it's ITN material. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeCriminal gets released from prison - so what. If he got exchanged through a major swap for a russian spy in our custody i'd maybe reconsider my vote, but this is just a minor thing in the grand scheme of things Kasperquickly (talk) 10:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...how the hell would Assange even factor into the US "swapping" him for a Russian spy. The US wanted him in prison, not out of prison and was trying to get him from the UK, not Russia. --110.141.157.50 (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kasperquickly does seem to be having some difficulty telling countries apart - see below for where he seems to be confused between the USA, Iraq, and Russia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle as a very significant event. However I have no opinions on the timing of posting given what Andrew & Red-tailed hawk said. Too complicated for me to decide on that. S5A-0043Talk10:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait (lean support) This is a positive development overall, but let's wait until he's actually released and makes a public statement since it's possible that there is the possibility of the deal falling apart or another State indicting him.Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Pleads guilty and has agreed to some dubious terms as part of his release isn't that notable or historic. In addition that the linked article is a dumpster fire, the chilling effect of his conviction (and aforementioned plea deal terms) should have its own article and subsequently blurbed more than anything else.
Why should the aftermath have its own article? That's like splitting out Collapse of Smile again. I also don't see how that makes the article a dumpster fire, nor why you claim both that the terms aren't notable or historic and that the repercussions are apparently big enough to have their own article at the same time. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed on the contradiction. I'm forecasting, but I still believe the main article is too broad for ITN and if we were to blurb this event it should only be because it's significance is such that it would stand alone on it's own (which it might, and is partially what I'm arguing for here). My apologies if that is confusing.
Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think one can fairly say the press has ignored Assange's situation for a decade. It's been covered with reasonable regularity here in the UK. But I also don't think much of "this is a major event in western history - but all possible sources are in the pocket of the state and won't say so". It's definitely in the news - it's a pretty big story - but I don't feel it's of the towering importance people are making it out to be. It's a relatively quiet end to the whole business. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All humans have a bias in one way or another. Some feel baseball and ice hockey are important enough to be the top page news, others feel like the end of a decade old saga of the persecution of a reporter that dared to expose violations of human rights and civil liberties by various governments is more important Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 21:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A major event in the worldwide history of the freedom of the press? How so? He's taken a plea bargain and is being released. No new precedent is established, no great publication is made. This just doesn't have the effect that you're claiming it does. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's getting a bunch of news coverage, but the actual significance of this seems limited at best. He's pleading guilty and basically being sentenced to time served. Many events get a short term burst of coverage and we don't post them, mainly for want of significance. This isn't an election, a war, or a natural disaster with a high death toll. It's an interesting case that had the potential to clarify some important aspects of the legal relationship between the press and the state. But it is effectively ending in a tactical draw. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing anything here that warrants a blurb on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are not a news ticker. Just because something gets news coverage doesn't mean it gets posted. What is the practical significance of this? -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It has been going on for almost 15 years, and from time to time it reoccured in the news. So this is very appropriate to include this In the news section. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb, a major headline all over the world, and a continuing story, since the news will certainly continue to cover his coming and going from the CNMI, touchdown in Australia, and any comments he may have after that. This also raises the stakes for some kind of deal with Snowden, and other possible ramifications. BD2412T19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and oppose — This can now be properly discussed. Per Ad Orientem, I do not see how this is a major conclusion to the Assange saga. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him)23:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The agreement means that for the first time in American history, gathering and publishing information the government considers secret has been successfully treated as a crime. This new precedent will send a threatening message to national security journalists, who may be chilled in how aggressively they do their jobs because they will see a greater risk of prosecution.
But its reach is also limited, dodging a bigger threat. Because Mr. Assange agreed to a deal, he will not challenge the legitimacy of applying the Espionage Act to his actions. The outcome, then, averts the risk that the case might lead to a definitive Supreme Court ruling blessing prosecutors’ narrow interpretation of First Amendment press freedoms.
Strong support as this has probably been the longest running case about a cornerstone of democracy in my lifetime. Wikipedia was able to move a step closer to its goal of making the sum of human knowledge accessible due to Assange's efforts. All readers should be invited to ponder how they feel about his plea and release. Connor Behan (talk) 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Article has some serious(?) citation overkill issues. That's not a Hard Wait, mind you. But it is something for at least one of you fixers to think about fixing, before or after it's posted (and possibly pictured). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There is no lasting significance to this. I can see that it's fodder for the press, who like a good story, and this one's unusual given his lengthy stay in the Ecuadorian embassy and subsequent incarceration. We've been treated to such breaking headlines as "His feet have hit Australian soil". But ultimately it's just one man, he was neither exonerated nor treated unduly harshly by the US government and this isn't the kind of thing that would usually be covered in ITN, any more than the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination was, or other things that generate a lot of heat on the news tickers. — Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are here to showcase quality articles and writing on current, analyzed events. We are not here to decide whether people have endured our own arbitrary standard of torture that we have not experienced. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While the definition of torture is not arbitrary, we are indeed not here to adjudicate that. What we are here to do is point out that !votes are not votes. I.e. that they count for less when they include claims that reliable sources reveal to be false or misleading. Connor Behan (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are important global issues arising from the case, some of which affect us as Wikipedia editors directly. The most important is that the United States insists that its laws apply world-wide, even to foreign citizens who have never set foot in the United States. This is especially problematic in the the US ranks lower than any than any other Western country on the World Press Freedom Index. Hawkeye7(discuss)18:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It smokes Mexico, soundly beats Greece and narrowly outclasses Liberia (unless you're of the opinion that anywhere less "free" than the U.S. isn't "West enough"). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lord Kelvin is featured on the main page today. The article quotes his maxim that "when you can measure what you are speaking about and express it in numbers you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind..." Andrew🐉(talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, alt-blurb. It's a pretty significant event, with Assange being able to come out and meet friends/family etc after serving over five years in prison. This isn't some event where there is lots of news on a day then nothing the next.[2][3] — AP 499D25(talk)13:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt-blurb - I think the nominator here, Aaron Liu, lays out a good case that this latest development in the Julian Assange/Wikileaks story is deserving of ITN/blurb level status. The relevant article continues to be (for the most part) reliability updated. - 14:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trauma Novitiate (talk • contribs)
Marking as Ready Full disclosure: I am opposed to this nomination. However being objective, the discussion has been open long enough and there is a solid consensus in favor of posting. I found two CN tags on an otherwise solidly sourced article, neither of which are enough IMO to stop posting. This is good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AO, I appreciate your input here. I am also opposed to the nomination, but I share your appraisal that it's both well-supported and of suitable quality. Thank you for being measured and constructive. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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