I'm making a draft about the [[Draft:Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana|Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana]]. It needs some help; will anyone help me with it? [[User:Hurricanehuron33|Hurricanehuron33]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehuron33|talk]]) 18:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm making a draft about the [[Draft:Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana|Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana]]. It needs some help; will anyone help me with it? [[User:Hurricanehuron33|Hurricanehuron33]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehuron33|talk]]) 18:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Sure I’ll help and soon I might make a draft about the Effects of Hurricane Delta in the Yucatán Peninsula. [[User:Robloxsupersuperhappyface|Robloxsupersuperhappyface]] ([[User talk:Robloxsupersuperhappyface|talk]]) 17:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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It is more violent than the Hurricane Katrina (lastampa.it. There exists a metereological forecast saying that "with top winds of 150 mph, Laura is a high-end Category 4, only 7 mph below a Category 5 hurricane." (CNN.com). Philosopher81sp (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Destroyeraa: But the articles I mentioned are posted hardly minutes ago... Maybe be the Hurricane has regained its strength!? Not an expert when it comes to geographical stuff rather just a nice guy trying to provide accurate information to people. Call me Karthik 😉🤞 (talk • contribs)
@Kartsriv: For Wikipedia's purposes, the data for the intensity of the hurricane/tropical cyclone always comes from the NHC or other such RSMC/TCWC, not news articles which maybe outdated or talking in the past tense when being published. At the moment, NHC is saying that Laura has weakened from a Category 4 at its peak intensity into a tropical storm and is forecasting it to continue weakening - as a result, there is practically no chance of Laura regaining its strength as a Category 4 hurricane. Hope this helps. :) Jason Rees (talk) 17:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: Thank you for clarifying this. I actually learned something today. Here after will follow the NHC for similar events. Call me Karthik 😉🤞 (talk • contribs)
Pre-emptive Downgrade
As of 17:41 UTC someone has 'downgraded' Laura to a Tropical Storm in the article. The BBC are still reporting it as Category 2 and NOAA are listing it as a hurricane. It seems that someone has been foolish, given that accurate information on the status of Laura is important to people in northern Louisiana. Stub Mandrel (talk) 17:43, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Stub Mandrel:@Destroyeraa:@Jason Rees: I'm sorry, but I'm appalled by your comment of me being "foolish." I use ONLY the NHC, CPHC, and JTWC for ACCURATE information on ALL tropical cyclones. So for you to say that I'm "foolishly" adding in information when this article and the section for it on the main hurricane season page has been vandalized NUMEROUS times and all I've been doing is adding reliable information with sources EVERY SINGLE TIME is VERY offensive and I'd like an apology.ChessEric (talk) 21:47, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there. I just created a draft - Draft:Meteorological history of Hurricane Laura, since some users had an incentive to create such an article. It's gonna take some time to finish it, and by the time it's finished, Laura would've dissipated. Therefore, it's written not in the present tense (Laura is a currently active tropical depression that is affecting...) but in the past tense (Laura was the a deadly tropical cyclone that is tied for the record of the strongest landfalling hurricane in Louisiana...) - something like that. Anyone good at writing met history articles? ~Destroyeraa🌀16:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Destroyeraa: I'd advise to build the article slowly so as not to create more work for yourself down the road, since it'll likely require significant revision once NHC releases their tropical cyclone report some time next year, but don't let this stop you from finishing it if you happen to find enough momentum. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 10:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@KN2731: Yes, I’ve thought about that, but the MH section in the TCR only requires some revision of the draft. Just some pressure fixes, time fixes, and wind speed fixes won’t be too much of a problem. Getting the basic structure down currently. ~Destroyeraa🌀15:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just rewrite the entire met hist and I don't really think it needs or can support a sub-article at this point. The only real period of note is the two days it spent over the Gulf, but info from the NHC is surprisingly bland. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:31, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyclonebiskit: As KN said, maybe we should wait until the TCR comes out? I think for such a powerful storm as Laura, it really deserves a MH article. ~Destroyeraa🌀22:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Link to Hurricane Marco and Preparations
Should we remove the link to Hurricane Marco#Preparations? Though at a point, both Laura and Marco were to hit as hurricanes, but Marco eventually degenerated into a weak tropical storm when it made landfall. It literally did nothing, and the preparations for Marco were less than impressive. Unlike Laura, the National Guard, state troopers, and evacuation crews were not initiated. Evacuation was only mandatory in a few counties in Mississippi, compared to most of southern Louisiana, southwestern Texas, and western Mississippi was evacuated due to Laura. What do you guys think? Oppose? Support? Comment? ~Destroyeraa🌀00:41, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pierre cb: For damages, we need an exact estimate, such as $10 million, not a rough estimate of $8-12 million, as I explained to Dannisom. Damage isn't done yet, so we need to wait at least another week until AON or KarenCo gives their estimates. ~Destroyeraa🌀13:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink and Pierre cb: As with Isaias, the rough estimate given (for Isaias) came out a two or three days after the storm hit. It was estimated at $1-12 billion in damages. The actual estimate - $4.2 billion - came out 1 to 2 weeks after the storm hit. Will probably wait until an exact estimate for Laura, though it can take weeks. Though you can keep the >$8 billion, though it is vague and unspecific, and will probably need AON or KarenCo to give the specifics. ~Destroyeraa🌀16:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that estimates should be a specific number and we should wait until we have more solid figures. As the flooding goes down insurance companies will go in and do actual assessments, and as a result, we will have better numbers. In regards to the wettest storm question, so long as it is sourced and cited correctly, I don't have an issue with this update. Jurisdicta (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article currently doesn't mention climate change. I've noticed this in more articles about tropical cyclones, whose meteorological history is consistent with trends expected by climate change, and who are directly linked by climate scientist to climate change. In the case of Laura, quite a few scientists have chimed in here.[1][2][3] Laura's Rapid intensification and the location of making landfall are consistent with climate change, according to these climatologists: driven by high sea surface temperatures. Before I start crafting a few sentences, I was wondering if there is some consensus to omit the potential underlying cause of tropical cyclone intensification before an official attribution and detection study has been performed? Femke Nijsse (talk) 09:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't any consensus to omit the potential underlying cause of tropical cyclone intensification as far as I am aware, however, I personally feel that it would be better to have an article talking about tropical cyclones and climate change rather than a section speculating about Laura's relation to climate change. After all, the media likes to trot out articles talking about Climate Change after every significant tropical cyclone and no single tropical cyclone can yet be directly attributed to climate change.Jason Rees (talk) 10:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jason Rees, thanks for your response. We have an article about tropical cyclones and climate change, which I'm desperately trying to get in a less horrible state based on actual scientific sources. And yes, some media are making claims that are way too strong. However I disagree with your statement that linking climate change and Laura is speculation. Increased sea level temperatures are very confidently attributed to climate change, and to rapid intensification of tropical cyclones. I'm not proposing to say climate change caused Laura of course, simply that the background state made storms like Laura more likely to occur.
The article about planes that fly into hurricanes is called Hurricane hunters, not Hurricane Hunters. The capital letters make them sound like an organization, but apparently "hurricane hunters" is just a description. Please replace "Hurricane Hunters" with "hurricane hunters" or "Hurricane hunters" as appropriate. Thank you. 64.203.187.108 (talk) 15:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the Impacts section under Louisiana the article states
The NWS radar at Fort Polk was also destroyed
This is very incorrect, as the radar in Polk still exists and is downed by a communication outage, as stated by the source, could somebody fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.99.188 (talk) 01:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
> Most of the watches were upgraded to warnings the next day and a flash flood watch was also issued for the western half of the state as over 10 inches (25 cm) of rain was expected
I'm no expert on TC stylisation and formatting on WP, though regularly view the pages. I found the lead "The twelfth named storm, fourth hurricane, and first major hurricane of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season..." to be somewhat jarring, as "Fourth Hurricane" doesn't sit very well with me. Of course Hurricane Laura was the fourth storm to reach hurricane strength, as Marco became a hurricane first. I don't necessarily think a rewording is justified or required, but is the time of strengthening to a certain status (ie hurricane) common in declaring an ordinal (first, second, third...) position for a hurricane, or is it's naming order taken as priority making the lead incorrect? It's not necessarily wrong, or bad, and again may not warrant change - in fact I'm probably the problem - but I found it ambiguous to the point I'd wish to raise it nonetheless. 14.201.169.111 (talk) 15:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Multiple homes also were uninhabitable due to air conditioning units being destroyed."
Not mentioned in the source and sounds a little weird. What is mentioned is that a hospital won't be able to reopen because they can't keep their equipment sterile without air conditioning. 93.136.94.63 (talk) 04:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Number of death in Louisiana
Hi:
May I have the reference for this "A total of 32 fatalities occurred throughout the state with four of them coming from falling trees."? As far as I can have official references, there is only 27 death in Louisiana according to the Departement of HealT (https://ldh.la.gov/index.cfm/newsroom/detail/5761).