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Key questions, not just for Lions but for all service clubs:

• Who is membership open to (religious affiliations, gender, etc.)?
• How does one become a member?
• Obligations of members?
• Organisational structure (autonomy of local clubs, etc.).
• Political views, if relevant (e.g. Rotarians, at least in Australia, are known to be politically conservative, for instance). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Merkel (talk • contribs) 15:51, 25 February 2002 (UTC)[reply]

• "Who is membership open to (religious affiliations, gender etc)?" Membership is open to any individual (in the United States; clubs in other countries may have informal rules of which individuals are or are not invited to join, but there are no official requirements for membership.)
• "How does one become a member?" By invitation from current Lion member, although it would be highly unlikely that a request to join would be denied.
• "Obligations of members?" Participation in club activities, most being community service activities, and payment of established club dues. Individual clubs may set specific requirements (e.g., three service projects each month, 75% attendance, etc.)
• "organisational structure (autonomy of local clubs etc)." Each club is governed by it's members, subject to the policies of it's district/multiple district. Each club has a panel of officers and a board of directors. Heierarchy is organized into:
  • Clubs, with club presidents and Board of Directors elected by members. (Similar to US City structure) Generally limited to a single city, although large cities may have multiple clubs.
  • Zones, with Zone Chairment elected by delegates from the clubs in that zone. (Similar to US County structure). Typically consists of several cities in the same geographic area within the district, i.e. Northern clubs, southeastern clubs, etc.
  • Districts, with District Governors elected by delegates from the clubs in that district. (Similar to US States.) Some districts are joined with other districts as a Multiple District, which has a Chairman and other officers consisting of the Governors of the Districts within the Multiple District. Districts generally consist of the clubs within a single state, although states with a large number of clubs may be designated a Multiple District, with several Districts within the state.
  • The International Associaition, with an International Board with International Directors elected by delegates from the districts in thier constituency. International officers (president, etc.) are elected by delegates from all the districts in the association.

Each club is autonomous, but is subject to the policies of the association. The club's charter may be revoked if they fail to comply with association policies.

• "political views, if relevant (e.g. Rotarians, at least in Australia, are known to be politically conservative, for instance)." Members (at least in the US) span the political spectrum. Politics is generally a taboo subject, as the focus of the association is on community service. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Essjay (talk • contribs) 06:36, 15 February 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  Religion is also not to be discussed at meetings, except in the most general terms, i.e.

  "There is a new pastor at the _____church. I heard that he was a Lion in his previous town. Would someone want to contact him as to membership in our club?" or "We are going to lose our meeting place. The ______church has a fellowship hall that they might let us use. Will someone contact them?" or "I hear that the ______ church is getting a new roof because of the hailstorm." or "I hear that some of the folks at the _____ church just got back from a medical mission trip and used Lion supplied eyeglasses. Could someone arrange for them to come and tell us about how the eyeglasses were distributed and maybe give us a Power Point presentation?" 204.122.26.61 (talk) 18:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Lions are not a religious or political organization. Directly from the Lions Club International Constitution and Bylaws, Revised July 11, 2023 https://www.lionsclubs.org/en/v2/resource/download/79863642%20

  "TO PROVIDE a forum for the open discussion of all matters of public interest; provided, however, that partisan politics and sectarian religion shall not be debated by club members." LionD4C6 (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Does anyone know which club holds the most members? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.246.4 (talk) 15:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answers (2009)[edit]

• There are requirements for membership. Membership is open to men and women of the age of majority where they live (18 in the U.S.), who are of good moral character.
• Membership is by invitation and while it is likely that a request to join will yield an invitation, there is no guarantee of this. Furthermore, someone who has been a Lion, but whose membership was dropped due to nonpayment of dues or not in good standing for any other reason, will find themselves ineligible for membership or reinstatement.
• Generally, members are expected to give of their "time, talents and treasury" in helping the club achieve its objects. Meeting attendance requirements vary widely, dues are established locally, though the International and District components of the total dues structure is outside of local control.
• Local clubs are chartered by, and operate under the jurisdiction of, Lions Clubs International. Each club, however, is autonomous and is answerable only to its members. Clubs failing to meet the requirements for continuing membership in the International Association of Lions Clubs do face the possibility of losing their charter. However, they are given many opportunities to work through the issues impairing their status as a club in good standing.
• Each club is governed by its members, subject to the policies of its district/multiple district. Each club has a panel of officers and a board of directors. Hierarchy is organized into:
  • Clubs, with club presidents and Board of Directors elected by members. (Similar to US City structure) Generally limited to a single city, although large cities may have multiple clubs.
  • Zones (Similar to US County structure) typically consist of several cities in the same geographic area within the district, i.e. northern clubs, southeastern clubs, etc.
    • Zone Chairs are appointed by the District Governors, as are Region Chairs (who usually support two Zone Chairs) and some other District officials. These officials stand ready to assist and support the clubs under their jurisdictions, but have no authority over these clubs other than to certify whether or not the club meets the criteria for continued membership in Lions Clubs International (LCI).
  • Districts, with District Governors and other officers elected by delegates from the clubs in that district (similar to US states). Some districts are joined with others as a Multiple District, which has a Chair and other officers (Governors of the Districts within the Multiple District). Districts generally consist of the clubs within a single state, although states with a large number of clubs may be designated a Multiple District, with several Districts within the state.
  • The International Association, with an International Board and International Directors elected by delegates from the districts in their constituency. International officers (president, etc.) are elected by delegates from all the districts in the association.
• Each club is autonomous, but is subject to the policies of the association. The club's charter may be revoked if it fails to comply with association policies.
• from the Lions Clubs Purposes: "To Provide a forum for the open discussion of all matters of public interest; provided, however, that partisan politics and sectarian religion shall not be debated by club members."hdonagher (talk) 22:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking as a Lion, I would like to say, "nice article." However, there is one small problem with images linked to that page. They are pictures taken of LCIF logos. LCIF actively enforces its copyrights, and they might consider these images copy vios. Please let me know. If there isn't a problem, I will certainly look forward to using them on my user page. Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 22:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would be good if we could restrict the article to references from sources outside of the Lions' own website. It might even be that using Lions website references for a Lions article might contravene some Wikipedia policy or other. Someone will undoubtedly be along soon to confirm this... --Cheesy Mike 18:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the references to LCI's own web site no longer work. This is due to a recent upgrade to the LCI website which failed to observe best practices regarding redirects to content within the new framework. All documents on the new site are of a .php or a .pdf nature. Any link ending with .shtml (the old model) will redirect to the main page.hdonagher (talk) 22:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The section providing dates of entry for various countries and regions has China listed twice, once in 1926 and again when the PRC legalized them in 2002. What became of the 1926 club? Did it move with the ROC government to Taiwan? If not, does anyone know when the Taiwan Lions Club joined? I'm pretty sure that club has been around a long time, and it was in the news a few years back when the LCI forced them to change their name and there was quite a bit of wrangling over what the new name would be. Readin (talk) 04:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know when the Taiwan Lions Club came into existence? According to this, it was at least 50 years old in 2002. Readin (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that the External Links Section of this article contains links to specific areas within LCI's site and links to a very select list of other Lions projects, mostly in Australia. Should we feel free to add links to Lions Projects from anywhere? For example, I have a list of links to projects of MD4 (California). Or would a long list of Lions Clubs projects be better served having their own page, as I've seen sometimes in other areas of Wikipedia? Thanks.hdonagher (talk) 04:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article reads in large measure as an advertisment and as praise for the club. It needs editting. Fremte (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I read the article, but could see no examples of peacock terms. Also, given that the Lions only do charitable work, the tone is unavoidable. Such blanket banners are of limited use unless accompanied by specific examples on the talk page, and I don't see that here. I am removing these banners. I am not a member of the Lions, although I am familiar with their work. HairyWombat (talk) 20:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, you are right to remove them. I do caution against those who seek to sanitise the article though. For example, a previous editor had added well-referenced information about male-only clubs, which was subsequently removed from the article. I won't begin to presume this was done by someone who wanted to portray the Lions in a more positive light, but articles should seek to show a balanced view and we should therefore guard against any bias. --Biker Biker (talk) 22:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And yet, still the comments about Lions being anti-female remain... While they do have some historical accuracy, and even some validity among SOME older individual members, they do not reflect a philosophy which is particularly common or widely held. Around the world, Lioness Clubs are being reabsorbed into their Lions Clubs, forming their own Lions Clubs, or continuing to operate (as THEY choose), and there are even Clubs which are completely female (Lakeshore Lions - Cobourg, Ontario, Canada, as one example)! Women hold any number and level of Club offices, including local executive, District, Zone and International. What is written here is of historic interest, but is in no way an accurate reflection of Lionism, its beliefs, or its policies. Whatever happened to the requirement for a balanced viewpoint? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.49.115 (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this section. On examination, the single reference supporting it was misinterpreted - the survey said that Lions was the best NGO to work with. That qualifier was missed out, and with it, it hardly seems interesting or appropriate for the wiki entry.Electrosaurus (talk) 16:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I looked up this article curious to find out why/how the Lions Clubs are so named, rather than (say) the Tigers Clubs or Giraffes Club. Unless I missed it in my quick scan through the article, there doesn't appear to be an explanation..? 212.84.100.97 (talk) 14:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can only point you to some additional history[1] from "The World's Oldest Lions Club." DonWW (talk) 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As a Lion for many years, I have read that this is the story of how the name Lions was used for the organization: Melvin Jones called for a meeting of people interested in his idea of a new service oriented club. This consisted of individuals, but also of some small existing businessmen clubs in the Chicago area. One of these clubs was named the Lions Club. Since the Lion, both as an animal and a symbol is widely known to the public it was decided to use that name for the new organization. By the way, the two Lions on the logo represent one Lion looking back (the past) to what has been accomplished and the other looking forward (the future) to what can be accomplished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.230.241.183 (talk) 03:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have a pic of what is believed to be the first three women to join the Lions Club (It was announced as such on the evening). I'd happily share it, but I'd first have to talk to the people in the pic. I'd just like to know if it would be appreciated on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.167.139.196 (talk) 09:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure that would be great. Norma Paulus was inducted in 1981 but revoked shortly thereafter. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan were given honorary memberships in 1925. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.230.241.183 (talk) 03:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This page was nominated for Good Wikipedic Content Article. I rewarded the Title - Good Article on wikipedia Good Article. I want article creator to see this and reply TechnifyLife (talk) 18:41, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, some months after this odd notice was posted (by a sockpuppet user who is now blocked), that this is not a WP:Good Article and could not possibly be without major work. For one thing, many paragraphs and even sections are completely unsourced. --MelanieN (talk) 17:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This whole article is based on the club itself, with very little secondary sources. And even then whatever secondary sources I checked were mostly fluff pieces, with very very little substance. Now this article has had it's fair share of edits and oddly enough with more watchers than edits) but still ends up with almost no encyclopedic value. Am I missing something?

And while NPOV might not be the best tag here, but that's only it might downright be an Advert instead. I'm not sure how I'd even begin restructuring the article though, most of it's content even if it was well sourced (it's not!) adds very very little substance.

That the article is biaised towards the club is also not necessarily the problem, maybe the club is great!. the issue is that this is nothing more than pure marketing with a very very PR-speak taste and is far beyond self promoting. Thoughts?

Anarchocrudivorist (talk) 09:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and I've tried to remove some. I'll take another pass at it, and I encourage you to do the same. One paragraph at a time. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How. How much are inactive Lions Club annual International Membership dues. 107.115.159.49 (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this all read like an advertisement? I will tell you why. Lions Club wrote this. Citations needed, but nominate for deletion more expedient.

1. Amelia Earhart was not a member! fing lol. she dead. decades before joining would even have been possible. The ref was similarly dead. Sexist men... -[Ada] 76.188.120.7 (talk) 11:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am new to wiki. This is possibly the worst article, though I would call it an advertisement. It's not even accurate. Can an experienced editor inform me of how to flag, report, and delete it? Maybe ban some of the sockpuppets as well? This shit is why my AP teacher won't let me cite the wiki even tho 99.99 of articles are true 76.188.120.7 (talk) 11:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the deletion policy. If you still find that this article meets the criteria for deletion after reading it, begin a discussion about it on the articles talk page (the page you are reading right now). 47.227.95.73 (talk) 11:59, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you just want the article to be rewritten, please do it yourself without nominating it for deletion. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:05, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]