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== something should be added for the other states supporting Texas ==

5 states have confirmed support of Texas: Oklahoma, Virginia, Florida, South Dakota, and Montana [[Special:Contributions/2601:703:4284:3570:A894:5A2C:D336:CB74|2601:703:4284:3570:A894:5A2C:D336:CB74]] ([[User talk:2601:703:4284:3570:A894:5A2C:D336:CB74|talk]]) 03:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:Will add [[User:RossoSPC|RossoSPC]] ([[User talk:RossoSPC|talk]]) 17:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

::I am busy will do later [[User:RossoSPC|RossoSPC]] ([[User talk:RossoSPC|talk]]) 17:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Governors of Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida (already listed), Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia and Wyoming have all signed a document in support of Texas. [[User:Noah 2018|Noah 2018]] ([[User talk:Noah 2018|talk]]) 21:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

== Minor Vandalism ==

I noticed when reading the article earlier that a user had changed the words "migrants" to "invaders". By the time I got logged in (I had to create a new account because I forgot my password) someone else had already fixed it but I feel that with a topic like this something should be done to prevent further vandalism of the article. I worry this will only get worse as more people learn of the situation. [[User:Wanda061|Wanda061]] ([[User talk:Wanda061|talk]]) 22:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:I mean I agree "invaders" seems like a bit much but "migrants" seem to imply some kind of legal passage when that's obviously not the case. Perhaps there's something in-between. [[Special:Contributions/24.230.86.178|24.230.86.178]] ([[User talk:24.230.86.178|talk]]) 23:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

::they are migrating. We ultimately have no idea their documentation status (we can make guesses by how they're trying to get in but we can't know 100%)

::Migrants is the term used for people who migrate. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:38DC:DB59:FE30:E6A5|2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:38DC:DB59:FE30:E6A5]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:38DC:DB59:FE30:E6A5|talk]]) 23:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:::I was not arguing against the use of the term "migrant" but rather against the use of the word "invader". Just to clarify what I meant, I may have been unclear at first. [[User:Wanda061|Wanda061]] ([[User talk:Wanda061|talk]]) 23:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

::::Can’t we say traveler then [[Special:Contributions/74.90.55.157|74.90.55.157]] ([[User talk:74.90.55.157|talk]]) 00:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::I suppose in the same way we could use any synonym. [[User:Wanda061|Wanda061]] ([[User talk:Wanda061|talk]]) 00:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::"traveller" has its implications. A traveller could be a tourist, a hitchhiker, or an itinerant person. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 00:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::We are aware they are commuting unauthorized access into the US, which would violate multiple laws. [[User:Fixerr23|Fixerr23]] ([[User talk:Fixerr23|talk]]) 06:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::Illegal immigrants would be a good compromise then. [[User:NesserWiki|NesserWiki]] ([[User talk:NesserWiki|talk]]) 00:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::I agree. I oppose using “refugee”, “invader” or “migrant” because they violate NPOV. News source that says illegal immigrants: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13001581/Texas-National-Guard-puts-razor-wire-Shelby-Park-Eagle-Pass-SCOTUS-ruling-Border-Patrol-cut-barrier-southern-border.html. [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:86DF:FD5C:2515:1C99:7B26:BEDA|2607:FEA8:86DF:FD5C:2515:1C99:7B26:BEDA]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:86DF:FD5C:2515:1C99:7B26:BEDA|talk]]) 00:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::Migrant, with no descriptor, is neutral. The Daily Mail is a tabloid. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:3811:C5C0:390B:EF6:43E6:3F4|2600:1700:3811:C5C0:390B:EF6:43E6:3F4]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:3811:C5C0:390B:EF6:43E6:3F4|talk]]) 00:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::I agree with this take. Seems like the best way to avoid a political landmine, though seeing as the article is now protected it seems to be out of our hands. [[User:Wanda061|Wanda061]] ([[User talk:Wanda061|talk]]) 00:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::I also agree with this. Illegal carries certain assumptions about their (specifically the three people who perished) status that we could not determine, and has not been established by any legal authority in the U.S. or otherwise. They perished on the Mexican side of the river. It is not objective to say they were "illegal" migrants. All we do know is that there were migrants. [[User:Firepengu|Firepengu]] ([[User talk:Firepengu|talk]]) 00:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::Were they kayaking in the Rio Grande? Or illegally entering? [[User:Fixerr23|Fixerr23]] ([[User talk:Fixerr23|talk]]) 06:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::::To quote [[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] below: "You can't assume that the migrants who drowned trying to cross the river weren't going to seek asylum in the US, so you don't know if what they were doing was legal. If they were to not file an asylum application, then yes they would be illegal immigrants to the US, but if they were going to report to the authorities and file an asylum application, what they were doing is legal under international law and is just one of the ways to seek asylum in the US."

::::::::Further, they had not made it to the U.S., so had not yet violated U.S. Law.

::::::::More information: https://www.rescue.org/article/it-legal-cross-us-border-seek-asylum

:::::::[[User:Firepengu|Firepengu]] ([[User talk:Firepengu|talk]]) 16:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::::so nobody is an illegal migrant by that logic. You're replacing the category with asylum seeker. [[User:Fixerr23|Fixerr23]] ([[User talk:Fixerr23|talk]]) 13:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::If they enter and remain in the US without a visa/citizenship/etc, and don't report to the required authorities to file an asylum claim as soon as possible, then they would be illegal immigrants.

:::::::::[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 01:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

== Use "migrants" as the term for the casualties we have so far. ==

I've noticed that there has been repeated minor vandalism of this article within the last 24 hours, mainly in regards to what term is used for the three who drowned in the Rio Grande around 2 weeks ago.

It'd be nice if the use of partisan language was refrained from. Instead of using terms like "refugee" or "invader", we should just use "migrant" or "illegal migrant". [[User:WorldMappings|WorldMappings]] ([[User talk:WorldMappings|talk]]) 23:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:I believe the preferred term is “undocumented migrant”, not “illegal migrant”. [[User:Maniczebra|Maniczebra]] ([[User talk:Maniczebra|talk]]) 01:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::In US law, the official term is Illegal Alien.

::I don't know why you are suggesting a NGO term? [[User:Fixerr23|Fixerr23]] ([[User talk:Fixerr23|talk]]) 06:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Because it’s far less prejudicial than the term you’re suggesting. Im sorry, but can you provide a reference for the term you’re promoting? [[User:Maniczebra|Maniczebra]] ([[User talk:Maniczebra|talk]]) 06:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::The lawful term is Illegal Alien, so how can it be biased?

::::https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law) look at the US section. [[User:Fixerr23|Fixerr23]] ([[User talk:Fixerr23|talk]]) 07:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::The US term is, in and of itself, imbued with implicit bias because of how the US views undocumented migrants in the first place. [[User:Maniczebra|Maniczebra]] ([[User talk:Maniczebra|talk]]) 10:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::'Preferred term' - by whom? I don't believe the term 'illegal alien' can be said to be biased, when it is a legal categorisation. That said, I don't believe the three drowned migrants had made it to US territory, so to call them aliens might be inaccurate. [[User:Riposte97|Riposte97]] ([[User talk:Riposte97|talk]]) 10:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::::A country's legal system can be biased. Furthermore, referring to people by their legal status can itself be undue: for example, referring (in general speech) to a person mostly famous for unrelated reasons as a "felon" or "criminal" rather than by their occupation. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 22:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::::In this case it would be like referring to a soldier doing something related like joining a Veterans organization, which referencing their soldier status would be relevant.

::::::::So had they made it to the border illegal alien would be accurate. However what was their legal status in Mexico, as they could be classified as illegal aliens in mexico (assuming such status exists there). [[User:Fixerr23|Fixerr23]] ([[User talk:Fixerr23|talk]]) 13:27, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

== Topic shouldn’t be framed as a conflict ==

This is being presented in the same format as a conflict. This is not a conflict. There is no standoff. There aren't two combatting sides. There was a legal dispute and the Supreme Court ruled on it. End of story.

It needs to be titled "2024 Eagle Pass Immigration Dispute" or something similar. Furthermore, it should be formatted like any other legal dispute. Not glorified like it's the first battle of Civil War II. [[Special:Contributions/2601:282:1F22:9021:98E7:38E3:8215:7400|2601:282:1F22:9021:98E7:38E3:8215:7400]] ([[User talk:2601:282:1F22:9021:98E7:38E3:8215:7400|talk]]) 00:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:I tend to agree. The title of the article sounds like a Western movie, not a political issue. [[User:Wastrel Way|Wastrel Way]] ([[User talk:Wastrel Way|talk]]) Eric

:I mean it is an armed standoff, however not a conflict, I think it should be formatted on what it is like an armed standoff (eg. the Ruby Ridge Article) [[User:RossoSPC|RossoSPC]] ([[User talk:RossoSPC|talk]]) 00:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::I used the [[Template:Infobox civil conflict|civil conflict infobox]] for this article, which is also used on the page for Ruby Ridge. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 00:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::That is fair [[User:RossoSPC|RossoSPC]] ([[User talk:RossoSPC|talk]]) 01:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::I should also add that the civil conflict template is also used for the [[George Floyd protests]]. If this article was about a battle or armed engagement we would use the [[Template:Infobox military conflict|military conflict infobox]]. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 01:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:It is a standoff to some degree. Albeit the media is definitely hyping it up. The article should still be framed akin to a war/battle article. There is a small chance this escalates into a Battle of Blair Mountain type of situation. [[User:NesserWiki|NesserWiki]] ([[User talk:NesserWiki|talk]]) 00:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::The media here loves to do that ngl [[User:RossoSPC|RossoSPC]] ([[User talk:RossoSPC|talk]]) 00:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Very true. [[User:NesserWiki|NesserWiki]] ([[User talk:NesserWiki|talk]]) 00:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::Seems to me that for now the article should be left mostly as is and if nothing comes of it over the next few days then it should perhaps be reframed as the original commenter suggested. [[User:Wanda061|Wanda061]] ([[User talk:Wanda061|talk]]) 00:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::I think that is fair. [[User:Firepengu|Firepengu]] ([[User talk:Firepengu|talk]]) 00:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:I agree. To call it a “conflict” gives the event more oxygen than it deserves. [[User:Maniczebra|Maniczebra]] ([[User talk:Maniczebra|talk]]) 07:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== Article should be given higher protection ==

It appears that someone just did antisemitic vandalism, by placing three echos around Alejandro Mayorkas name. [[User:NesserWiki|NesserWiki]] ([[User talk:NesserWiki|talk]]) 00:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== All Governors who have given support should be included under the "Supported By" section ==

The Governors who have agreed to send troops should have next to their state in parentheses (Has Agreed to Send Troops) [[User:NesserWiki|NesserWiki]] ([[User talk:NesserWiki|talk]]) 00:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:These governors have nothing to do with a legal dispute that has been settled by the Supreme Court. There are no sides to this. At this point it is about a rogue governor deciding he's above the law. The entire affair is performative. [[Special:Contributions/2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4|2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4]] ([[User talk:2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4|talk]]) 04:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::If so, then shouldn't the whole "Supported By" section on this page irrelevant? I think it should either include all states/governors who announced their support or should be removed entirely. [[User:FluffPuff64|FluffPuff64]] ([[User talk:FluffPuff64|talk]]) 06:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::Some of the Governors, such as DeSantis (FL) and Stitt (OK), have deployed solders under their commands to Eagle Pass. This would seems to qualify them for lead figures, which should be renamed to "'''Commanders and leaders'''". [[User:Lewis150|Lewis150]] ([[User talk:Lewis150|talk]]) 18:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== Is this for real ==

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I know Wikipedia is not for reactions or forum, but speechless on what is going on at Eagle Pass. [[User:AlAboud83|Alhanuty]] ([[User talk:AlAboud83|talk]]) 01:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:You're not the only one. [[User:NesserWiki|NesserWiki]] ([[User talk:NesserWiki|talk]]) 01:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:There's probably something about it on Wikinews. They allow the kind of comments you're talking about over there. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 01:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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== Possibly rename? ==

"Standoff at Eagle Pass" is pretty vague, in my opinion. Open to suggestions. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 01:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:It was somewhat late when I made the article so it's understandable of the article feels a bit odd.

:I ran the alternative titled through my head and "crisis" and "incident" didn't seem to fit what was happening properly.

:I don't think there's been another standoff at Eagle Pass, Texas, so I don't think it could be confused with something else. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 02:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::It's a bit late right now too so my apologies if I misunderstood your comment. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 02:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Eagle Pass Federal Lawsuit or some such would be better. Nobody is pointing guns at each other, the title is a bit dramatic. [[User:Big Money Threepwood|Big Money Threepwood]] ([[User talk:Big Money Threepwood|talk]]) 02:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:I'd day not quite yet. The name doesn't seem quite right, but it's the name that the sources are using. It seems like more than just a federal lawsuit but it's not quite yet an armed rebellion or insurrection. It's too soon to say what this situation will become so let's keep the name for now. [[User:Bartholomite|Bartholomite]] ([[User talk:Bartholomite|talk]]) 03:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:An idea I had before I saw the article was already created was "2024 Texas border dispute," although I know it doesn't really fit. It's difficult to really put a label on what's happening here, though at this point the name appears to fit, even if it is dramatic. [[User:DukeOfDelTaco|DukeOfDelTaco]] ([[User talk:DukeOfDelTaco|talk]]) 03:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== Addition of new source ==

{{edit semi-protected|Standoff at Eagle Pass|answered=yes}}

I request the addition of [https://www.rga.org/republican-governors-ban-together-issue-joint-statement-supporting-texas-constitutional-right-self-defense/ this publication from the Republican Governors Association] as an additional source to the passage "In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's decision, almost all state-level Republican governors with the exception of Phil Scott announced their support for the Texas government in the dispute." [[User:Froathy|Froathy]] ([[User talk:Froathy|talk]]) 02:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:That is a primary source. We are better off using secondary sources. If this letter is important, I'm sure it will be covered [[User:Big Money Threepwood|Big Money Threepwood]] ([[User talk:Big Money Threepwood|talk]]) 02:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== A request for a map of states whose governors gave verbal support for Texas ==

It would help to visualize which states are or aren't supporting the actions of Texas. [[User:Historical Integrity|Historical Integrity]] ([[User talk:Historical Integrity|talk]]) 03:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:Verbal support from unrelated parties is irrelevant to the dispute. [[Special:Contributions/2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4|2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4]] ([[User talk:2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4|talk]]) 04:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::Some states are sending supplies or their own guardsmen [[User:Firepengu|Firepengu]] ([[User talk:Firepengu|talk]]) 07:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:If reliable sources are using maps, we should follow. Otherwise, adding maps gives the impression that the statements of governors reflect the entire state. This ignores the opposing factions within any one state. [[User:HetmanTheResearcher|HetmanTheResearcher]] ([[User talk:HetmanTheResearcher|talk]]) 19:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move 26 January 2024 ==

[[Standoff at Eagle Pass]] → [[Eagle Pass Standoff]]

Like another discussion said, it's hard to put a label on this right now. But this article needs to be easily accessible to the public, I say this because I had a really hard time trying to find this article. Standoff works for now and removing the "at" and shortening it down, with the keyword "Eagle Pass" makes it easier to find in my opinion. [[User:Bigfatman8766|Bigfatman8766]] ([[User talk:Bigfatman8766|talk]]) 04:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:To make things more easily accessible, I've created a redirect at that page for now. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">[[User:The Wordsmith|'''The Wordsmith''']]</span>^{<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><small>''[[User talk:The Wordsmith|Talk to me]]''</small></span>} 04:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:Disagree. Standoff at Eagle Pass sounds more dramatic and bad ass. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:BFA0:2B3F:85B:29E3:93C6:724C|2600:1700:BFA0:2B3F:85B:29E3:93C6:724C]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:BFA0:2B3F:85B:29E3:93C6:724C|talk]]) 08:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::Making things sound dramatic isn't really Wikipedia policy. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 14:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::We already have [[Standoff at the Khyber Pass (1834–1835)]] as a precedent, and even if it doesn't matter I agree that it sounds much more badass. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::We do also have [[Bundy standoff]] and [[Wakefield standoff]]. What-about isn't a great way to name articles - I say we keep current for now until media starts giving it a proper name. [[User:Couruu|Couruu]] ([[User talk:Couruu|talk]]) 18:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== Edit war on infobox side2 parameter ==

{{yo|Bigfatman8766|The ed17|WeatherWriter}} and several other editors, per [[WP:ONUS]] and [[WP:BRD]] could ya'all please discuss here why this content should or should not be included in that form? Thanks. [[User:Sideswipe9th|Sideswipe9th]] ([[User talk:Sideswipe9th|talk]]) 05:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:I believe the states that have provided gubernatorial support should be included. They're an important enough voice to be mentioned on the infobox. Plus the ones I added said they would provide national guard support, isn't that support? [[User:Bigfatman8766|Bigfatman8766]] ([[User talk:Bigfatman8766|talk]]) 05:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::Performative verbal support doesn't constitute unrelated parties being included as participants in the info box. It makes this dispute into something it is not. It isn't multiple states in a stand off with the federal government. It is one governor defying the Supreme Court. [[Special:Contributions/2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4|2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4]] ([[User talk:2601:8C0:D80:1FA0:810E:218B:678B:C2E4|talk]]) 05:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Yea. we should wait until we have confirmation that there are other national guard troops other than Texas. [[User:Bigfatman8766|Bigfatman8766]] ([[User talk:Bigfatman8766|talk]]) 06:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::+1 to the IP's view above. Infoboxes aren't the place to try to communicate what "support" means in this context. That's what we have article prose for. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]} 20:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== Better source needed for Florida support ==

"Florida governor Ron DeSantis additionally committed to sending more resources after previously sending the Florida National Guard to reinforce the Texas government." with the source [https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4428905-gop-governors-abbott-border-security-immigration/]https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4428905-gop-governors-abbott-border-security-immigration/

The source says『GOP Govs. Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma, Kristi Noem of South Dakota, Ron DeSantis of Florida, Glenn Youngkin of Virginia and Brian Kemp of Georgia have all said they support Abbott’s actions.』

To me, It just sounds like verbal support and there is no mention of Florida National Guard being deployed.

So either there needs to be a better source, or this sentence needs to be removed and Florida should be removed from the infobox. [[User:Bigfatman8766|Bigfatman8766]] ([[User talk:Bigfatman8766|talk]]) 06:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:{{tq|The entire 47-acre park, including the golf course, is enclosed with concertina wire and patrolled by state troopers from Texas and Florida}}

:-[https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/22/texas-border-patrol-immigration-enforcement-eagle-pass-park/ Texas Tribune] [[User:KiharaNoukan|KiharaNoukan]] ([[User talk:KiharaNoukan|talk]]) 06:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks, I added it. [[User:Bigfatman8766|Bigfatman8766]] ([[User talk:Bigfatman8766|talk]]) 06:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== Casualties in Infobox ==

It is inappropriate to include the three drowned migrants in the infobox.

They were not killed by either of the disputants, nor necessarily as a result of the dispute.

I intend to remove. [[User:Riposte97|Riposte97]] ([[User talk:Riposte97|talk]]) 11:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:Why are you boldly removing content with citations by making an unfounded assertion that it is incorrect? Reverted, please discuss here if you don't like the source or found sources that say contradict the original source

:[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 11:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::I did not say that the source is incorrect. I said that it is inappropriate to include them in the infobox.

::I'd appreciate if you engage with my objection, or self-revert. [[User:Riposte97|Riposte97]] ([[User talk:Riposte97|talk]]) 12:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Oh sorry I misinterpreted your objection. They were killed as a result of actions of one side of the dispute (TX) doing the thing the dispute is about (placing razor wire) It makes sense to me to include it in the infobox

:::Also [[User:Tybigs]] please see above

:::[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 12:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::That is not what the source says. The source reports varying perspectives, but does not reach a conclusion. Razor wire does not seem to be a major factor.

::::Neither government (US or TX) claims that the migrants certainly would have lived had the dispute not been taking place.

::::You've now reverted this change by two different editors. Please reread the source - it has been updated by the publisher. [[User:Riposte97|Riposte97]] ([[User talk:Riposte97|talk]]) 12:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::I'm reverting to the status quo while the talk page discussion continues, but ya sure I'll read the update

:::::[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 13:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::Actually yeah I do see your point. The deaths are obviously relevant but I agree now that they shouldn't be called casualties, since it's not a direct cause and effect from the standoff itself.

:::::Asking since you seem to edit more frequently than me, and this is a genuine question, is the general rule not to refrain from editing when there's a talk page discussion going on? The reason I reverted the second time is because there's a discussion going on here -was that wrong?

:::::[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 13:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::You didn't do anything wrong, and I didn't mean to give that impression. In general, yes, it's best to resolve disputes at the talk page first before progressing. I just realised you hadn't noticed the change in the source, hence my comment. [[User:Riposte97|Riposte97]] ([[User talk:Riposte97|talk]]) 22:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks!

:::::::[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 01:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

::::No they people who drowned was not caused by any party except the ones that drowned. Not TX or the Feds. Do more research next time and don’t trust fake news. [[User:Tybigs|Tybigs]] ([[User talk:Tybigs|talk]]) 14:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::We rely on reliable sources, whether editors deem them "fake news" or not. [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-2-children-die-crossing-rio-grande-border-patrol-says-was-preven-rcna133842 The source we are citing] frames the casualties in a way that there possibly is blame to put on Texas. [[User:LightNightLights|LightNightLights]] ([[User talk:LightNightLights|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LightNightLights|contribs]]) 15:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC) {{small|(edited [[User:LightNightLights|LightNightLights]] ([[User talk:LightNightLights|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LightNightLights|contribs]]) 15:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC))}}

== Illegal Migrants* and states* ==

currently multiple states support texas including Florida and i do not understand why clearly Illegal aliens are marked as migrants i live in Colombia this is no "racist" bias especially as some of these illegal aliens are my people i know they are illegal so why act like they are legal? [[User:Diepanzerwaffles|Diepanzerwaffles]] ([[User talk:Diepanzerwaffles|talk]]) 11:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:you are so transparently biased and not Columbian, it hurts. [[Special:Contributions/72.75.251.42|72.75.251.42]] ([[User talk:72.75.251.42|talk]]) 11:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::I don't understand do you think I have to not speak English? that is racist and I am Colombian it's also Colombia not Columbia as Columbia is a U.S district along with that I don't care for American politics enough to be "Biased" I just care that the migrants and Page are sourced correctly [[User:Diepanzerwaffles|Diepanzerwaffles]] ([[User talk:Diepanzerwaffles|talk]]) 20:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:You can't assume that the migrants who drowned trying to cross the river weren't going to seek asylum in the US, so you don't know if what they were doing was legal. If they were to not file an asylum application, then yes they would be illegal immigrants to the US, but if they were going to report to the authorities and file an asylum application, what they were doing is legal under international law and is just one of the ways to seek asylum in the US.

:"Migrant" is a useful neutral word to maintain [[WP:NPOV]] and doesn't make any assumptions on their intentions

:More information: https://www.rescue.org/article/it-legal-cross-us-border-seek-asylum

:[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 12:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

::This still won't answer my state question? [https://www.newsweek.com/] [[User:Diepanzerwaffles|Diepanzerwaffles]] ([[User talk:Diepanzerwaffles|talk]]) 20:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Could you clarify your question about the states? What are you asking about/what do you think should be changed?

:::[[User:Egefeyzi|Egefeyzi]] ([[User talk:Egefeyzi|talk]]) 01:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

::::The states as over 25 states have pleged support to texas [[User:Diepanzerwaffles|Diepanzerwaffles]] ([[User talk:Diepanzerwaffles|talk]]) 02:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:Just by scrolling through your talk page, it's clear that you're a troll at the very least. You clearly are not here for making contributions that are actually worth something. [[User:Ye9CYNMD|Ye9CYNMD]] ([[User talk:Ye9CYNMD|talk]]) 02:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

::I am not trolling I am just asking why the states aren't updated? [[User:Diepanzerwaffles|Diepanzerwaffles]] ([[User talk:Diepanzerwaffles|talk]]) 06:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

== Potential error regarding 01/24 Abbott statement ==

The article's second paragraph states, "On January 24, Abbott responded by stating that Texas would refuse to let federal authorities access the park, vowing to "protect the sovereignty of our state." However I can not find any statement Abbott made that features the quoted line "protect the sovereignty of our state". In the cited articles, that line is said by Texas national guard, in an unsigned statement. Further, the above line in the article claims Abbot's 1/24 statement stated that Texas would refuse to let federal authorities access the park. I can't find any evidence that that statement contained that assertion, either directly or implicitly. I read the statement itself from the Governor's website and the articles. So unless I missed something, I think this sentence should be rewritten. Would appreciate any thoughts or evidence to the contrary on this. Thank you. [[User:Firepengu|Firepengu]] ([[User talk:Firepengu|talk]]) 17:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:Texas NG are answerable to Abbott, so it ''could'' be construed that he is speaking through them, but I agree that it would be better stated as something akin to:

:"On January 24, Abbott responded by stating that Texas would refuse to let federal authorities access the park, ''while the Texas National Guard vowed'' to "protect the sovereignty of our state." [[User:Couruu|Couruu]] ([[User talk:Couruu|talk]]) 18:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

== [[WP:DNFTT]] ==

Please stop responding to obvious trolling. Just revert and ignore. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 01:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

== Fire-Eater rhetoric ==

Abbot's language around the standoff resembles that of antebellum slave owners and proslavery politicians, with their love of "states' rights" and "sovereignty". This should be included because it stands out like a sore thumb. [[User:ManOfDirt|ManOfDirt]] ([[User talk:ManOfDirt|talk]]) 17:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

:Are there any reliable sources making that connection? [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 17:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

== Please add background, timeline and reactions ==

The article needs a timeline and proper background to this. Reactions would also be really helpful.

Here are some sources and other wikipedia articles to source from.

Sources:

[https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/27/us/texas-eagle-pass-us-mexico-border/index.html][Https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/27/us/texas-eagle-pass-us-mexico-border/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/27/us/texas-eagle-pass-us-mexico-border/index.html]

[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eagle-pass-national-guard-texas-b2485416.html][Https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eagle-pass-national-guard-texas-b2485416.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eagle-pass-national-guard-texas-b2485416.html]

[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eagle-pass-national-guard-texas-b2485416.html]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eagle-pass-national-guard-texas-b2485416.html

[https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-faces-growing-calls-federalize-texas-national-guard-1863839]https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-faces-growing-calls-federalize-texas-national-guard-1863839

Wikipedia Articles:

[[Operation Lone Star]] [[User:Bigfatman8766|Bigfatman8766]] ([[User talk:Bigfatman8766|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 January 2024 ==

{{edit extended-protected|Standoff at Eagle Pass|answered=yes}}

You need to update who is supporting Texas ur missing half the country [[Special:Contributions/2607:F280:3024:9860:0:0:0:843F|2607:F280:3024:9860:0:0:0:843F]] ([[User talk:2607:F280:3024:9860:0:0:0:843F|talk]]) 22:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

== grammatical error ==

"In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's decision, '''other 25''' Republican state governors"

should probably be replaced by

"In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's decision, '''25 other''' Republican state governors" [[Special:Contributions/47.201.30.59|47.201.30.59]] ([[User talk:47.201.30.59|talk]]) 01:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

:Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out. [[User:Slamforeman|Slamforeman]] ([[User talk:Slamforeman|talk]]) 01:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

== Possible Misinformation Section ==

Like many conflicts, there has been a lot of misinformation that's being intentionally spread on social media, especially by many pro-Texan accounts. This includes a video of farmers in Germany protesting in 2021 being posted by many accounts, claiming that it was Texan protestors. Similar with a supposed trucker protest that was claimed by these accounts which was actually from 2022. [[User:Ye9CYNMD|Ye9CYNMD]] ([[User talk:Ye9CYNMD|talk]]) 02:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

== Please add Abbot's Jan 26 response to DHS demands ==

Please add:

On Jan. 26, Governor Abbott issued a written response to the DHS letter, denying the demand for access by Border Patrol agents to Shelby Park. Reference: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-refuses-federal-agents-access-shelby-park-eagle-pass-border/ (CBS News); the source contains a link to Abbott's letter, published on the Texas Attorney General's website. Thanks. [[User:ArielGlenn|ArielGlenn]] ([[User talk:ArielGlenn|talk]]) 14:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

== "This article can be expanded by translating from Belarusian" - really? ==

{{Expand Belarusian|date=January 2024}} ...was inserted a few edits ago; although I don't claim to speak the language, I somewhat doubt that. Given one of the primary sources in that article is a site that said "USA on brink of civil war", I doubt its veracity a tad. [[User:Couruu|Couruu]] ([[User talk:Couruu|talk]]) 20:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

:What [[User:Explodingtnt30|Explodingtnt30]] ([[User talk:Explodingtnt30|talk]]) 06:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

::You should problably remove that [[User:Explodingtnt30|Explodingtnt30]] ([[User talk:Explodingtnt30|talk]]) 06:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:Looks like it was removed by [[User:Paris1127|Paris1127]]. Glad we agree, and thanks! [[User:Couruu|Couruu]] ([[User talk:Couruu|talk]]) 13:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

== The Belarussian Article is horribly sourced. ==

Claims that the US is close to devolving into civil war, or unsubstantiated claims that Texas is deploying tanks and IFVs to fight the border patrol is propaganda. There are countless other poorly sources claims see [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|WP:V]]. Personally, it looks like a amalgamation of sensationalist Russian/Belarussian propaganda on a supposed start of a US collapse. Sourcing fails almost every credibility check, writing is bent to skew what certain sources are saying (see the claims on tanks moving to the border). I honestly feel like I would expect more from Belarussians and Russians, but perhaps not. I just want to bring this to everyone's attention. [[User:MarkusDorazio|MarkusDorazio]] ([[User talk:MarkusDorazio|talk]]) 04:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:Different Wikipedias are edited independently, so this talk page isn't particularly relevant -- but you can remove false stuff from that article. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 04:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

::There was a tag on this article saying it could be improved from Belarusian language wiki. That tag has now been removed. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

== Update "Supported by" section ==

25 states have signed a statement saying that they stand with Texas. Only two of those states - Florida and Oklahoma - are placed in the "Supported by" section. All 25 states should be placed in that section. [[Special:Contributions/174.130.221.145|174.130.221.145]] ([[User talk:174.130.221.145|talk]]) 20:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:Florida and Oklahoma appear to be the sole states sending the National Guard to assist Texas, hence their inclusion. Other states only vocally support Texas in a joint statement, which is not worthy of inclusion. They could be included if they do the same as FL & OK. - '''[[User:Presidentofyes12|presidentofyes]]''', the '''[[User talk:Presidentofyes12|super]] [[Special:Contributions/Presidentofyes12|aussa]] [[User:Presidentofyes12/sandbox|man]]''' 11:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== It doesn’t make sense to list FL and OK as supporters with 25 signatories [source] ==

https://www.rga.org/republican-governors-ban-together-issue-joint-statement-supporting-texas-constitutional-right-self-defense/

Signatories include: Governor Kay Ivey (AL), Governor Mike Dunleavy (AK), Governor Sarah Sanders (AR), Governor Ron DeSantis (FL), Governor Brian Kemp (GA), Governor Brad Little (ID), Governor Eric Holcomb (IN), Governor Kim Reynolds (IA), Governor Jeff Landry (LA), Governor Tate Reeves (MS), Governor Mike Parson (MO), Governor Greg Gianforte (MT), Governor Jim Pillen (NE), Governor Joe Lombardo (NV), Governor Chris Sununu (NH), Governor Doug Burgum (ND), Governor Mike DeWine (OH), Governor Kevin Stitt (OK), Governor Henry McMaster (SC), Governor Kristi Noem (SD), Governor Bill Lee (TN), Governor Spencer Cox (UT), Governor Glenn Youngkin (VA), Governor Jim Justice (WV), and Governor Mark Gordon (WY). [[Special:Contributions/136.32.93.95|136.32.93.95]] ([[User talk:136.32.93.95|talk]]) 14:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:Florida and Oklahoma appear to be the sole states sending the National Guard to assist Texas, hence their inclusion. Other states only vocally support Texas in a joint statement, which is not worthy of inclusion. They could be included if they do the same as FL & OK. - '''[[User:Presidentofyes12|presidentofyes]]''', the '''[[User talk:Presidentofyes12|super]] [[Special:Contributions/Presidentofyes12|aussa]] [[User:Presidentofyes12/sandbox|man]]''' 11:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== Incorrect date given, please update: ==

The article says "On January 26, the Department of Homeland Security issued a second deadline for Texas to agree to fully reopen disputed parts of the Shelby Park area", but this is inaccurate. The deadline was indeed Jan 26th but the issuing of that second deadline was on January 23rd in a letter from DHS General Counsel. Please see [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/2814985/biden-administration-demands-texas-grant-dhs-access-border/] (referenced in the article) and the DHS letter itself, embedded in the article and showing the date of Jan 23rd. In the Texas Attorney General's reply dated Jan 26th (see [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-refuses-federal-agents-access-shelby-park-eagle-pass-border/] linking to his reply at [https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/press/OAG%20Response%20to%20Second%20DHS%20Demand%20Letter%201262024%20_2032407913.pdf]), he explicitly states "I have received your second demand letter dated January 23, 2024". There are to my knowledge no later demand letters. [[User:ArielGlenn|ArielGlenn]] ([[User talk:ArielGlenn|talk]]) 15:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:ArielGlenn|ArielGlenn]]: Fixed. [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])^{<span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span>} 14:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 January 2024 ==

Change:<br>

<blockquote>... commending Governor Abbott's and Attorney General Paxton's work in safeguarding the border against the invasion facilitated by Biden's failure to adhere to federal statutory law.</blockquote>

To:<br>

<blockquote>... commending Governor Abbott's and Attorney General Paxton's work in securing the border against "[the] invasion, encouraged by Biden’s refusal to follow federal statutory law [...]."</blockquote>

Rationale: the article as written reads as though the author is agreeing with the letter rather than reporting its contents. The letter as quoted in the cited CNN page uses neither the words "safeguard" (instead uses: "secure") nor "facilitated" ("encouraged") nor "failure" ("refusal") nor "adhere to" ("follow"). Though these replacement words are ''similar'', they carry slightly different connotations that somewhat modify the underlying tone of the original letter. Additionally, the lack of direct quotes makes it appear as though the author is reporting these terms as accepted fact (that the letter just so happens to coincide with), rather than as the ''contents'' of the letter. [[Special:Contributions/128.244.11.15|128.244.11.15]] ([[User talk:128.244.11.15|talk]]) 16:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])^{<span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span>} 21:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 January 2024 ==

{{edit extended-protected|Standoff at Eagle Pass|answered=yes}}

Create a page called『Mexico–United States border crisis of 2023-24』and merge this current page into that page. [[Special:Contributions/174.130.221.145|174.130.221.145]] ([[User talk:174.130.221.145|talk]]) 03:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

* {{notdone}} That would need be done through a [[WP:PCM|move request]] and not an edit request. [[User:Philipnelson99|Philipnelson99]] ([[User talk:Philipnelson99|talk]]) 03:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

*:My apologies. I have never made an edit request before. I just think that a current event such as this needs more information and discussion, and renaming this page would cause more people to read it. [[Special:Contributions/174.130.221.145|174.130.221.145]] ([[User talk:174.130.221.145|talk]]) 03:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move 31 January 2024 ==

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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.''

The result of the move request was: '''not moved''' and per SNOW. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]} 18:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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[[:Standoff at Eagle Pass]] → {{no redirect|Mexico–United States border crisis of 2023–24}} – Create a page called『Mexico–United States border crisis of 2023-24』and merge this current page into that page. [[Special:Contributions/174.130.221.145|174.130.221.145]] ([[User talk:174.130.221.145|talk]]) 03:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. This is one specific aspect of a broader crisis - and notable in itself. [[User:StAnselm|<b>St</b>]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 04:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' We have articles on the [[Mexico–United States border crisis]] and [[Operation Lone Star]] already, which this article is an individual portion of. [[User:Generalissima|Generalissima]] ([[User talk:Generalissima|talk]]) 04:14, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' - This particular confrontation is [[WP:NOTABLE]] in itself, independent of the broader disagreements. [[User:Garnet Moss|Garnet Moss]] ([[User talk:Garnet Moss|talk]]) 06:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' current name is clear [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Oppose''', and consider [[WP:SNOW|SNOW]]. Current title is concise, succinct, and the common name. [[User:Couruu|Couruu]] ([[User talk:Couruu|talk]]) 14:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:*:'''Oppose''' and [[WP:SNOW]] close. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 18:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 January 2024 (2) ==

{{Edit extended-protected|Standoff at Eagle Pass|answered=yes}}

Where it says they issued a second deadline on the 26th, there is no mention of when that deadline is. [[Special:Contributions/34.104.0.82|34.104.0.82]] ([[User talk:34.104.0.82|talk]]) 20:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> Clarified. Jan.26 was when the deadline passed, not when they issued another deadline. [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])^{<span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span>} 14:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== DeSantis sends 1000 troops to southern border ==

Yesterday, Florida governor Ron DeSantis announced that he is sending 1,000 members of both the Florida National Guard and the Florida State Guard to the southern border to assist Texas. [https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4442713-desantis-national-guard-troops-texas-border/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral] Should this news be added to the page? [[Special:Contributions/174.130.221.145|174.130.221.145]] ([[User talk:174.130.221.145|talk]]) 17:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2024 ==

{{Edit extended-protected|Standoff at Eagle Pass|answered=yes}}

decapitalise the "R" in the "[[States' Rights]]" link in the "See also" section [[User:Alisperic|Alisperic]] ([[User talk:Alisperic|talk]]) 05:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])^{<span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span>} 18:31, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

== can someone add missouri to the support list ==

https://krcgtv.com/news/local/parson-missouri-will-send-national-guard-troops-to-texas-southern-border [[Special:Contributions/2601:87:8300:27F0:BDCC:48F4:F138:15A2|2601:87:8300:27F0:BDCC:48F4:F138:15A2]] ([[User talk:2601:87:8300:27F0:BDCC:48F4:F138:15A2|talk]]) 03:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)