Talk:Whooping cough: Difference between revisions

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== NEJM on cellular vs. acellular vaccine ==

There was a good case in NEJM 372:775 about a 16yo boy who got pertussis despite being vaccinated with the acellular vaccine, and a good well-documented discussion about acellular vs. whole cell vaccine. Summarized in NOW@NEJM: http://blogs.nejm.org/now/index.php/a-boy-with-coughing-spells/2015/02/20/ --[[User:Nbauman|Nbauman]] ([[User talk:Nbauman|talk]]) 01:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

== Unexplained revert ==

{{ping|Doc James}} reverted my edits without explanation. That's not good form. What's up? [[User:Lfstevens|Lfstevens]] ([[User talk:Lfstevens|talk]]) 21:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

:You edits broke some refs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pertussis&oldid=659018683], caused improper formatting, added some no wiki tags, added " that were not needed. There was no justification for the edit in the edit summary. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 07:27, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks for the comments. Looks like VE put in some junk. I made the edit again, without the noise. FWIW, I've never seen refs converted to comments as in this article. Don't understand the purpose.

:::I have restored the lead back to 4 paragraphs per [[WP:LEAD]]. You changed it to 6.

:::Every sentence in the lead contains a reference. Otherwise people will come and add "citation needed" tags. If two sentences in a row are supported by the same ref than the ref supporting the first sentence is hidden.

:::Many of your changes go against [[WP:MEDMOS]].

:::Also our leads are being written to follow the body of the text per WP:MEDMOS, thus the ordering of content in the lead [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 15:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

::::I reviewed the section of WP:MOS and think I didn't really stray, so I'd appreciate if you could be more specific. I'm always happy to fix any problems I cause. On the lead, I always opt for clarity over paragraph counts. That's why I made those changes. [[User:Lfstevens|Lfstevens]] ([[User talk:Lfstevens|talk]]) 23:11, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

So two main points 1) the lead is laid out to follow the body of the text 2) the lead is 4 paragraphs per WP:LEAD [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 10:38, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

:Agree that the previous lead layout was better and should be maintained. The edits making it a larger number of short choppy paragraphs weren't improvements. <code>[[User:Zad68|<span style="color:#D2691E">'''Zad'''</span>]][[User_Talk:Zad68|<span style="color:#206060">''68''</span>]]</code> 13:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

:I have no plans for further changes. Let me know if I broke anything else and I'll pitch in. [[User:Lfstevens|Lfstevens]] ([[User talk:Lfstevens|talk]]) 15:33, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

== Diagnostics ==

[[doi:10.1128/CMR.00031-15]] Review in CMR. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 14:17, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Revisions and edits ==

The sentence "For most adults and adolescents, who often do not seek medical care until several weeks into their illness, serology may be used to determine whether antibody against pertussis toxin or another component of B. pertussis is present at high levels in the blood of the person." had no citation and seemed to plagiarize this article http://www.eurodiagnostica.com/index.php?headId=4&pageId=4&langId=1&diseaseId=8#nr2-tab , so I cited it and changed up the wording. [[User:ChaKeSeLiAl|ChaKeSeLiAl]] ([[User talk:ChaKeSeLiAl|talk]]) 01:45, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Added information on the shift of affected age group , a reason for the shift, and a citation to a scientific journal in the Vaccine section. [[User:ChaKeSeLiAl|ChaKeSeLiAl]] ([[User talk:ChaKeSeLiAl|talk]]) 02:37, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Replaced inaccurate death statistic and citation in the Epidemiology section. I attempted to search for the previous numbers in the citation, but was unable to find them. [[User:ChaKeSeLiAl|ChaKeSeLiAl]] ([[User talk:ChaKeSeLiAl|talk]]) 02:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

::Ref was not inaccurate. Just came to different conclusions. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 03:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikilinked "zoonotic disease" in cause to the Zoonosis page. [[User:ChaKeSeLiAl|ChaKeSeLiAl]] ([[User talk:ChaKeSeLiAl|talk]]) 03:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

==Cough syrup/lozenges==

Given that the article states that whooping cough is more prevalent in the developed world, I think it might be worth discussing the effectiveness - or lack thereof - of common cough remedies that most people in Canada, US, etc might turn to in lieu of seeing a doctor or getting any other remedy. Are cough syrups such as Buckley's (I mention that one as it's supposed to be the strongest non-prescription remedy) at all effective or are they perhaps even dangerous? [[Special:Contributions/68.146.233.86|68.146.233.86]] ([[User talk:68.146.233.86|talk]]) 21:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

== Review in CMR ==

[[doi:10.1128/CMR.00083-15]] [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 13:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

== "Leaky" vaccines ==

I have self-reverted a recent edit, since an identical edit to [[Pertussis vaccine]] was challenged. I have started a [[Talk:Pertussis_vaccine#.22Leaky.22_vaccines|discussion]] there.

== History section ==

The article's 'history' section opens with the discovery of ''B. pertussis'' in 1906 but the following source can be used to add some earlier history:

{{citation |last=Rennie |first=Claire |url=https://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/media/universityofexeter/collegeofhumanities/history/exhistoria/volume8/Rennie_1-33.pdf |format=PDF |journal=Ex Historia |title=The Treatment of Whooping Cough in Eighteenth-Century England |year=2016 |volume=8 |pages=1&ndash;33}} {{openaccess}}

[[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell|talk]]) 20:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

::Sure agree. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 00:51, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

== Requested move 20 April 2018 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''moved''' per consensus. —<span style="font-size: 104%; letter-spacing:1.5pt;"><span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 13:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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[[:Pertussis]] → {{no redirect|Whooping cough}} – "Whooping cough" is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]], especially in English-speaking countries: [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Pertussis,Whooping%20cough]. Note that the [https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/whooping-cough/symptoms-causes/syc-20378973 Mayo Clinic], [https://www.webmd.com/children/whooping-cough-symptoms-treatment#1 WebMD], and [https://medlineplus.gov/whoopingcough.html Medline Plus] also title their articles "Whooping cough" rather than "Pertussis". [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 03:31, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

*Google Books disagrees with Google Trends: [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=whooping+cough%2Cpertussis&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1900&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwhooping%20cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwhooping%20cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWhooping%20cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWhooping%20Cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWHOOPING%20COUGH%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cpertussis%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bpertussis%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPertussis%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPERTUSSIS%3B%2Cc0 ngram]. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 05:25, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

:*I will go ahead and '''oppose''' this change. Though "pertussis" may be a more technical term as argued below, it is also well-known, particularly because it is referred to as "pertussis" in the names of various vaccines ([[DPT vaccine|DPT and DTaP vaccines]], etc.). I'd also note that relevant related pages, such as [[Pertussis vaccine]] and [[Pertussis toxin]], are currently at consistent titles. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 23:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

*'''oppose''' - Usage evidence based on [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Pertussis%2CWhooping+cough&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2CPertussis%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bpertussis%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPertussis%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPERTUSSIS%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2CWhooping%20cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwhooping%20cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWhooping%20cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWhooping%20Cough%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWHOOPING%20COUGH%3B%2Cc0 Google Ngrams] leads me to believe that the current title and primary redirect are the best way to handle this. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 05:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

*'''oppose''' per Netoholic rationale--[[User:Ozzie10aaaa|Ozzie10aaaa]] ([[User talk:Ozzie10aaaa|talk]]) 22:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

*'''Support''' I think "whooping cough" is the common name. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 19:38, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

*'''Support''' Sites for the general public generally use whooping cough.[https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/whooping-cough/symptoms-causes/syc-20378973] Pertussis is a more technical term. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 11:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

*'''Support''' You can add [https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/whooping-cough/ the NHS] to the list of organisations that use 'whooping cough' rather than 'pertussis'. It looks like whooping cough is used in general texts, perhaps what Google books is doing is showing what the academic literature tends to use. Since Wikipedia's audience is essentially the general public, I think it makes sense to use a common term they're more likely to have heard of. [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell|talk]]) 14:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. We are a general encyclopedia, and should use the common name known to the general readership. A classic case of statistics being a good guide but a very poor arbitrator. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 17:39, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

*'''Support''' as per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Heck, the only reason I know what pertussis is is because I'm in medical school. [[User:Waddie96|Waddie96]] ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]]) 11:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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== Category title ==

I created [[:Category:Pertussis]]. At the time, this article had the title "Pertussis", so i used said category title. However, now that the article title has been moved, i think the category should also be retitled "Whooping cough", for consistency.--[[User:Solomonfromfinland|Solomonfromfinland]] ([[User talk:Solomonfromfinland|talk]]) 16:00, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

== Foundations 2 2019, Group 3C Goals ==

Goals:

1. Addition of global statistics of pertussis outbreaks

2. Addition of the difference between clinical presentation of pertussis in "Signs and Symptoms" portion.

3. Find information regarding the use of counter medication such as cough suppressants/lozenges with whooping cough in "Treatment"

== Foundations 2 2019, Group 3B Peer Review ==

Respond to peer review prompts on the ARTICLE talk page, following the statement made the group about its planned edits.

1. All group members should respond to the following prompts, with specific examples:

''· Do the group’s edits improve the article as described in the Wikipedia peer review “Guiding framework”?''

-- Yes, Kim's addition of statistics about India and other countries helps to add validity and expands on the gravity and prevalence of whooping cough in the world despite the fact that there is an existing vaccine. --[[User:Dannymrowr|Dannymrowr]] ([[User talk:Dannymrowr|talk]]) 20:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

-- The group's edits improve the article by providing more recent and accurate information about the prevalence of whooping cough in several countries.--[[User:Mparagas18|Mparagas18]] ([[User talk:Mparagas18|talk]]) 21:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

-- Improved article by adding in statistics for Germany, China, and India from a reliable secondary source. Language is neutral and edits are balanced with respect to the overall structure of the article. --[[User:Alexuang|Alexuang]] ([[User talk:Alexuang|talk]]) 16:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

''· Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement? ''

-- Yes, I believe group 3c's goal of adding statistics to the page was achieved --[[User:Dannymrowr|Dannymrowr]] ([[User talk:Dannymrowr|talk]]) 20:47, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

-- Yes, the group achieved their goal of adding accurate, relevant statistics about whooping cough prevalence.--[[User:Mparagas18|Mparagas18]] ([[User talk:Mparagas18|talk]]) 21:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

-- Global statistics added in for three countries. U.S. statistics already present in the article. Treatment section only contains information on prescription medications. --[[User:Alexuang|Alexuang]] ([[User talk:Alexuang|talk]]) 16:56, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

2. Each group should divide up the prompts below so that a different person responds to each question. Please sign your comments with your name and account name so that you receive credit.

· Person A: Does the draft submission reflect a neutral point of view? If not, specify…

-- Yes it does, the statistics are cited and straightforward with no opinion attached. It is simply the statistic of the prevalence of whooping cough. --[[User:Dannymrowr|Dannymrowr]] ([[User talk:Dannymrowr|talk]]) 20:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

· Person B: Are the points included verifiable with cited secondary sources that are freely available? If not, specify…

--Overall yes. Fixed statistic for China (10340 -> 10390). Good review article. --[[User:Alexuang|Alexuang]] ([[User talk:Alexuang|talk]]) 21:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

· Person C. Are the edits formatted consistent with Wikipedia’s manual of style? If not, specify…

-- Yes, the edits are formatted consistent with Wikipedia's manual of style.-- [[User:Brendado425|Brendado425]] ([[User talk:Brendado425|talk]]) 21:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

· Person D. Is there any evidence of plagiarism or copyright violation? If yes, specify…

-- No, the statistics Kim added are appropriately cited and do not show any evidence of plagiarism or copyright.--[[User:Mparagas18|Mparagas18]] ([[User talk:Mparagas18|talk]]) 21:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

==Airborne versus droplet==

Per https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3501154/ may be airborne. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 00:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

== Health education ==

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