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==Order of the main characters== |
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I am sorry if someone disagrees with my change but I changed the alphabetic order of the main characters to the order of importance and chronological order they had in the series. I don't think alphabetic order makes sense here in the template. Even the major villains are ordered chronologically, not alphabetically, so I think the main characters deserve a better criterion of order. Feel free however to change the characters after Angel, I wasn't sure in what order to put them.--[[Special:Contributions/177.134.2.172|177.134.2.172]] ([[User talk:177.134.2.172|talk]]) 00:22, 24 June 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::Even if you grant {{user|Buffyverse}}'s argument that the Buffyverse "benefits from a big template that can take you to any of the main articles", there are too many main articles. Compare {{template|Buffyversenav}} with {{template|Star Wars}} for example. Even {{template|Doctor Who}}, with a history going back over 40 years, has a more reasonable {{template|Navbox}}. I should think that these counter-examples, along with the [[WP:NAV]] guidelines, demonstrate the need for shrinking {{template|Buffyversenav}}. I've got a basic familiarity with the Buffyverse but it makes more sense for a big [[Joss Whedon]] fan to follow the lead of [[List of fictional universes|other pop culture universes]] and shrink their main navbox. Thanks. — {{useredits|67.100.128.85}} |
:::::Even if you grant {{user|Buffyverse}}'s argument that the Buffyverse "benefits from a big template that can take you to any of the main articles", there are too many main articles. Compare {{template|Buffyversenav}} with {{template|Star Wars}} for example. Even {{template|Doctor Who}}, with a history going back over 40 years, has a more reasonable {{template|Navbox}}. I should think that these counter-examples, along with the [[WP:NAV]] guidelines, demonstrate the need for shrinking {{template|Buffyversenav}}. I've got a basic familiarity with the Buffyverse but it makes more sense for a big [[Joss Whedon]] fan to follow the lead of [[List of fictional universes|other pop culture universes]] and shrink their main navbox. Thanks. — {{useredits|67.100.128.85}} |
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Since the characters tend to take too much room, can we at least have a separate template for the characters specifically? I've seen template splits before. Just look around the [[Star Wars]] articles of this site as an example. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
Since the characters tend to take too much room, can we at least have a separate template for the characters specifically? I've seen template splits before. Just look around the [[Star Wars]] articles of this site as an example. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 06:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:This is more than jjust about the characters. We have too many discussions taking place on the same subject. We don't need 3 different sections discussing this template being too large. We need to find one centralized location to discuss this. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 11:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC) |
:This is more than jjust about the characters. We have too many discussions taking place on the same subject. We don't need 3 different sections discussing this template being too large. We need to find one centralized location to discuss this. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 11:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:I think this is a helluva lot more cleaned up than the current version (which apparently, continues to grow as we talk). I like this set up (even though I believe that there shouldn't be a "Buffyverse" template given that we have systematically removed the name "Buffyverse" from article titles because of it's lack of professionalism and fan-initiated origin). [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 03:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC) |
:I think this is a helluva lot more cleaned up than the current version (which apparently, continues to grow as we talk). I like this set up (even though I believe that there shouldn't be a "Buffyverse" template given that we have systematically removed the name "Buffyverse" from article titles because of it's lack of professionalism and fan-initiated origin). [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 03:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::Since I made the character templates that you see below in the People section of this conversation, we should make the template in discussion that Matty bon made. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
::Since I made the character templates that you see below in the People section of this conversation, we should make the template in discussion that Matty bon made. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 15:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Well, I know of another editor that is making new templates for both ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'', splitting off the two shows (as should have been done in the beginning). My talk page has one of the templates. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 15:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
:::Well, I know of another editor that is making new templates for both ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'', splitting off the two shows (as should have been done in the beginning). My talk page has one of the templates. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 15:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Cool! Then we can put those templates to the proper pages and use the character ones for the Show's articles and character articles. :) [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
::::Cool! Then we can put those templates to the proper pages and use the character ones for the Show's articles and character articles. :) [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 16:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Okay, here's my version, exlcusive to ''Buffy'' only, we also need to make an ''Angel'' one. One thing is I'm not entirely satisfied with the "Series" section? I think maybe we need a better name? Also, I'd like the ''Buffy'' template to be shades of red rather than blue. The ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'' boxsets are red and blue respectively so I think it would make sense for the navboxes to match. I'm not sure how to change the colour though. If we're going to split the template into two, should we move [[Template:Buffyversenav]] to [[Template:Buffynav]] and create a separate [[Tempate:Angelnav]] page? [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 20:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
Okay, here's my version, exlcusive to ''Buffy'' only, we also need to make an ''Angel'' one. One thing is I'm not entirely satisfied with the "Series" section? I think maybe we need a better name? Also, I'd like the ''Buffy'' template to be shades of red rather than blue. The ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'' boxsets are red and blue respectively so I think it would make sense for the navboxes to match. I'm not sure how to change the colour though. If we're going to split the template into two, should we move [[Template:Buffyversenav]] to [[Template:Buffynav]] and create a separate [[Tempate:Angelnav]] page? [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 20:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Nice template. And yes go for the template. Also, if someone can help me get those same colors for the character templates, that would be great. So yeah. Make [[Tempate:Angelnav]]. :) [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
:Nice template. And yes go for the template. Also, if someone can help me get those same colors for the character templates, that would be great. So yeah. Make [[Tempate:Angelnav]]. :) [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 21:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Would "Franchise" work in place of "Series"? Something along those lines, anyway?~<b |
Would "Franchise" work in place of "Series"? Something along those lines, anyway?~[[User:Zythe|<bstyle="color:purple;">Zythe</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Zythe|Talk to me!]]</sup> 10:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:After finally remembering about them, I created [[Template:Buffynav]] and [[Template:Angelnav]] and replaced the Buffyverse one on a few articles. Just commenting here to let people know in case there's any feedback. Should we redirect this template to the Buffy one or just delete it? [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 23:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
:After finally remembering about them, I created [[Template:Buffynav]] and [[Template:Angelnav]] and replaced the Buffyverse one on a few articles. Just commenting here to let people know in case there's any feedback. Should we redirect this template to the Buffy one or just delete it? [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 23:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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|list1 = [[List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters|Characters (main)]]{{·}} [[List of minor Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters|Characters (minor)]]{{·}} [[Big Bad|Villains]]{{·}} [[List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes|Episodes]]{{·}} [[q:Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Quotes]]<br /> <small>[[Buffy comics|Comics]]{{·}} [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVDs|DVDs]]{{·}} [[Buffy novels|Novels]]{{·}} [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight|Season 8]]</small> |
|list1 = [[List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters|Characters (main)]]{{·}} [[List of minor Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters|Characters (minor)]]{{·}} [[Big Bad|Villains]]{{·}} [[List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes|Episodes]]{{·}} [[q:Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Quotes]]<br /> <small>[[Buffy comics|Comics]]{{·}} [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVDs|DVDs]]{{·}} [[Buffy novels|Novels]]{{·}} [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight|Season 8]]</small> |
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|list2 = [[Angel (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)|Angel]]{{·}} [[Anya Jenkins|Anya]]{{·}} [[Buffy Summers|Buffy]]{{·}} [[Cordelia Chase|Cordelia]]{{·}} [[Dawn Summers|Dawn]]{{·}} [[Melaka Fray (Character)|Fray]]{{·}} [[Rupert Giles|Giles]]{{·}}[[Oz (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)|Oz]]{{·}} [[Riley Finn|Riley]]{{·}}[[Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)|Spike]]{{·}}[[Tara Maclay|Tara]]{{·}} [[Willow Rosenberg|Willow]]{{·}} [[Xander Harris|Xander]] |
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|list1 = [[List of Angel characters|Characters (main)]]{{·}} [[List of minor Angel characters|Characters (minor)]]{{·}} [[List of Angel episodes|Episodes]]{{·}} [[q:Angel|Quotes]]<br /> <small>[[List of Angel comics|Comics]]{{·}} [[Angel DVDs|DVDs]]{{·}} [[Angel novels|Novels]]{{·}} [[Angel: After the Fall|After the Fall]]</small> |
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|list2 = [[Angel (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)|Angel]]{{·}}[[Connor (Angel)|Connor]]{{·}} [[Cordelia Chase|Cordelia]]{{·}} [[Allen Francis Doyle|Doyle]]{{·}} [[Winifred Burkle|Fred]]{{·}}[[Charles Gunn|Gunn]]{{·}} [[Harmony Kendall|Harmony]]{{·}} [[Illyria (Angel)|Illyria]]{{·}} [[Lorne (Angel)|Lorne]]{{·}}[[Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)|Spike]]{{·}}[[Wesley Wyndam-Pryce|Wesley]] |
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I keep editing at the same time. Yeah that is enough of a loophole. She was in the opener, granted as a mean and cruel trick, and she was in more episodes than Oz or Riley. Also, can't forget Angel. He was a regular for two seasons. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 03:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
I keep editing at the same time. Yeah that is enough of a loophole. She was in the opener, granted as a mean and cruel trick, and she was in more episodes than Oz or Riley. Also, can't forget Angel. He was a regular for two seasons. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 03:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Was she really a "regular" though? When her name appeared on screen was it a "also starring" or a "guest starring" credit? I'm less tempted to include her because she really wasn't a main tune credit before that single episode where they killed her (which was probably just to throw everyone off and get them to think, "Yay, she's in the main theme she'll be here next season"). Riley was a main themer, really? Also, do we need to list Cordelia on both templates? I mean, maybe so, as we list ''Freddy vs. Jason'' on both the ''Nightmare'' and 'Friday the 13th'' templates. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 03:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
:Was she really a "regular" though? When her name appeared on screen was it a "also starring" or a "guest starring" credit? I'm less tempted to include her because she really wasn't a main tune credit before that single episode where they killed her (which was probably just to throw everyone off and get them to think, "Yay, she's in the main theme she'll be here next season"). Riley was a main themer, really? Also, do we need to list Cordelia on both templates? I mean, maybe so, as we list ''Freddy vs. Jason'' on both the ''Nightmare'' and ''Friday the 13th'' templates. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 03:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yes, I consider Tara a main character in the series, and the only reason she was not a main cast member was due to contractual issue (I forgot where I read that), and I consider that one episode loophole enough. Riley was in the opener for the last half of season 4 and the first of season 5. And Cordelia should be in both templates, as the character was ''created'' in ''Buffy'' but had greater presence in ''Angel''. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 03:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
::Yes, I consider Tara a main character in the series, and the only reason she was not a main cast member was due to contractual issue (I forgot where I read that), and I consider that one episode loophole enough. Riley was in the opener for the last half of season 4 and the first of season 5. And Cordelia should be in both templates, as the character was ''created'' in ''Buffy'' but had greater presence in ''Angel''. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 03:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Inside jokes== |
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Is there a page dedicated to [[inside jokes]] in the 'verse? There's no such thing as leprechauns, etc. [[User:Samwaltz|samwaltz]] 11:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC) |
Is there a page dedicated to [[inside jokes]] in the 'verse? There's no such thing as leprechauns, etc. [[User:Samwaltz|samwaltz]] 11:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC) |
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: Now I'm curious: what's the joke about leprechauns? —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 17:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I forgot what episode it was in, but in the third season Buffy commented on things that do not exist, saying leprechauns as an example, but, presumably because she had seen so many unbelievable things, she asked Giles if she was right about the leprechauns. His response was "As far as I know." |
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::It is a poor example of an inside joke. Better ones include that there is a Santa Claus, but instead of leaving presents he disembowels children, and of the dimension of no shrimp and the dimension of nothing but shrimp, all of which were revealed by Anya. The Santa Claus one was only talked about at the beginning of "The Body", but the shrimp dimensions are mentioned throughout the series, having particular appeal to Tara who is allergic to shrimp, and by Illyria in season 5 of ''Angel'', who stated that she had been there and grew bored of it quickly. |
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::That was probably more information than you were looking for, but I got on a roll. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 17:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::: ''Faith Hope & Trick'': |
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:::* There's two things I do not believe in. Coincidence and leprechauns. |
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:::* Buffy, it's entirely possible they happened by chance to arrive simultaneously. |
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:::* Okay, but I'm right about leprechauns, right? |
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:::* As far as I know. |
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::: As it happens, I saw that episode recently; I was wondering what makes it an ''inside'' joke, i.e. whether there's something that a first-time viewer wouldn't get. Likewise the Santa Claus thing in ''The Body'' (which I had forgotten), where's the "inside"? Shrimp is a much better example. —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 02:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::They aren't so much "inside jokes" as they are "universe jokes" (copyright 2008: kingdom2). They are jokes concerning aspects of a fictional universe that one would not expect (one ''would'' expect leprechauns to exist in the Buffyverse, and while one may or may not expect Santa Claus to be real, they certainly would not expect him to disembowel childred). [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 03:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== People == |
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::I took the initiative[''no'' pun of course. ;)] and created two character templates for both shows. |
::I took the initiative[''no'' pun of course. ;)] and created two character templates for both shows. |
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{{Angel The Series Characters}} |
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I hope this will help out with the large template issue you have with the other one. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
I hope this will help out with the large template issue you have with the other one. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 19:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Also I've just added them to all character articles. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
:::Also I've just added them to all character articles. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 22:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Expanded universe == |
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...are redundant, and clutter up articles. Don't we have a characters list (let's try for featured list!) and some fairly useful categories already? I think the point of a new, slimmer navbox is to do away with the bulky clutter of listing every single important character in the series. If we ''have'' to list characters (by some massive consensus), should we not keep it to just credited cast?~<b |
...are redundant, and clutter up articles. Don't we have a characters list (let's try for featured list!) and some fairly useful categories already? I think the point of a new, slimmer navbox is to do away with the bulky clutter of listing every single important character in the series. If we ''have'' to list characters (by some massive consensus), should we not keep it to just credited cast?~[[User:Zythe|<bstyle="color:purple;">Zythe</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Zythe|Talk to me!]]</sup> 10:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:They are needed to navigate though the franchise characters. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
:They are needed to navigate though the franchise characters. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 22:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::To be honest, I'm not sure we do need character templates, although I appreciate the time Faith has spent making them. As Zythe said, we can link [[List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters]] in the navbox. Also, as for navigating through the pages, we have internal links in the articles themselves. We also have [[:Category:Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters]]. Character navboxes do seem redundant. [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 22:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
::To be honest, I'm not sure we do need character templates, although I appreciate the time Faith has spent making them. As Zythe said, we can link [[List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters]] in the navbox. Also, as for navigating through the pages, we have internal links in the articles themselves. We also have [[:Category:Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters]]. Character navboxes do seem redundant. [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 22:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::"Needed" is such a strong word. How so? TfD it is then.~<b |
::"Needed" is such a strong word. How so? TfD it is then.~[[User:Zythe|<bstyle="color:purple;">Zythe</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Zythe|Talk to me!]]</sup> 00:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC) |
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I've just created it for the actors template. |
I've just created it for the actors template. |
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{{Buffy and Angel cast}} |
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It's based off of the Star Trek DS9 Template: |
It's based off of the Star Trek DS9 Template: |
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Like that one. It's used for the articles of major cast members who appeared in the opening credits of both series. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i>< |
Like that one. It's used for the articles of major cast members who appeared in the opening credits of both series. [[User:FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer|<i><span style="color:#000;">FaithLehaneThe</span></i><b><span style="color:#f00;">Vampire</span></b><i><span style="color:#000;">Slayer</span></i>]] 12:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:It's unnecessary if you have a link to their character pages already on the ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'' templates. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 17:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
:It's unnecessary if you have a link to their character pages already on the ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'' templates. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 17:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The point of this template is to represent the franchise as a whole, not every little detail and aspect of it. That is exactly what happened with the old Buffyverse template and exactly what we want to avoid with this one. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 16:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
The point of this template is to represent the franchise as a whole, not every little detail and aspect of it. That is exactly what happened with the old Buffyverse template and exactly what we want to avoid with this one. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 16:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Redirect == |
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::Can you really claim to represent the fanchise as a whole if you don't include such important characters as Joyce? Yes, I agree, too many characters is a bad thing, but right now, I would argue that there's too few. Can't you make separate catagories like "Minor characters" or "Major Villians" (or "Big Bads" might be more fitting) that include more characters but still make it easy to read? [[User:J52y|J52y]] ([[User talk:J52y|talk]]) 13:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Joyce is a supporting character, not a main one. If we open the door for "important" characters like Joyce and Dru and Faith, then we end up including everyone. That's what happened with the old template. Minor character articles are accessible through [[Joyce Summers|in-prose links]], [[:Category:Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters|categories]], and [[List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters|character lists]]. There's no point in clogging up the template. [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 15:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Redirect, the 600+ Disambigulation links, and Franchise Categorizing == |
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I redirected all of the other templates to this template. At first users tried that but they were just redirecting the Slayernav page and that was it instead of redirecting all of the templates that were redirecting to Slayernav. So you were seeing the "REDIRECT:" on many pages. That shouldn't happen anymore. If you guys decide to change the name again, remember to change all of the template redirects or else the same issue will happen again. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere&target=Template:Buffynav&namespace=10 Here] is a listing of the templates that redirect here for future reference. --[[User:Woohookitty|''Woohookitty'']]<sup>[[User talk:Woohookitty|Woohoo!]]</sup> 13:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)" |
I redirected all of the other templates to this template. At first users tried that but they were just redirecting the Slayernav page and that was it instead of redirecting all of the templates that were redirecting to Slayernav. So you were seeing the "REDIRECT:" on many pages. That shouldn't happen anymore. If you guys decide to change the name again, remember to change all of the template redirects or else the same issue will happen again. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere&target=Template:Buffynav&namespace=10 Here] is a listing of the templates that redirect here for future reference. --[[User:Woohookitty|''Woohookitty'']]<sup>[[User talk:Woohookitty|Woohoo!]]</sup> 13:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)" |
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::Buffyverse is a fan-generated term that refers to a fictional universe, encompassing both ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'', which is what we do not want to do. The old Buffyverse template was far too big, and as ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'' are separate shows, we decided that they each needed their own nav box. Buffyverse cannot go as the title of this template because we removed everything ''Angel'' from it and gave it its own nav. The reason why I put the disam link there (I knew what I was doing) is because there is nothing on that page that is not related to ''Buffy'', and as this navbox is representing the franchise of BtVS, not the show, we felt that we couldn't just make the link to the show. I know it is usually something that is to be avoided, but it is not entirely forbidden, and because Buffyverse is absolutely not an option (not the topic of the nav) there was nothing else I could think of that would be better. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 13:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
::Buffyverse is a fan-generated term that refers to a fictional universe, encompassing both ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'', which is what we do not want to do. The old Buffyverse template was far too big, and as ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'' are separate shows, we decided that they each needed their own nav box. Buffyverse cannot go as the title of this template because we removed everything ''Angel'' from it and gave it its own nav. The reason why I put the disam link there (I knew what I was doing) is because there is nothing on that page that is not related to ''Buffy'', and as this navbox is representing the franchise of BtVS, not the show, we felt that we couldn't just make the link to the show. I know it is usually something that is to be avoided, but it is not entirely forbidden, and because Buffyverse is absolutely not an option (not the topic of the nav) there was nothing else I could think of that would be better. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 13:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::re: disambigulation, How about a full-fledged BtVS page, describing the general universe, its various other media incarnations and spin-offs, thus eliminating the disambigulation. Kind of like the [[Star Trek]] page and template. As the current Buffyverse category stands, it doesn't seem to reference the Swanson film, which I think is correctly referenced in the Buffynav template, based on Kingdom2's comments. The Buffyverse category would need to be updated to include film references then. This BtVS main page would then be within Buffynav, Jossnav, and possibly Angelnav -- or at minimum, the Buffyverse (which it already is linked) and Angelverse. It seems the Star Trek wiki-people split off the various series and movies based on era. The existing BtVS page can then be moved to a real BtVS (disambigulation) page via the 'otheruse' template. --[[User:Vorik111|Vorik111]] ([[User talk:Vorik111|talk]]) 00:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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There is no such thing as the "Angelverse". "Buffyverse" applies to both ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'' TV shows and all media based on them, including the film. While I like the idea of the franchise page, I do not know who will make it, and I do not think that there is enough information to make one. With 40 years of Star Trek, it is easy to have a franchise page. If you include the film, Buffy has only been around for 16 years, and 11 without the film. I think that, while it is not a perfect solution, we should just have the title link be to the TV series page. That is where most of the subjects stem from and it is obvious that having the disam link is going to be divisive. I'll go ahead and change it. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 16:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:A franchise article would probably be a good idea since we have a lot of articles that probably shouldn't exist (see the '''Auxilary''' section of this navbox to see what I'm talking about). The majority of those article aren't particularly notable and, with with a bit of summarisation, would work a lot better merged into a larger franchise article. That's what was done with [[Friday the 13th (franchise)]], and I think it turned out pretty good. [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 17:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Film in 'Series' Section== |
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OK, I think the debate has to happen. Why is it in the series section I ask? |
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This is what is written in the nav: ATTENTION! DO NOT MOVE THE FILM TO EXPANDED UNIVERSE. THE ENTIRE BUFFY FRANCHISE IS DERIVED FROM THE FILM, SO, WHILE IT IS NOT CANON, IT IS HARDLY EXPANDED UNIVERSE. THANK YOU. |
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a. The nav isn't about Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a universe, it's even linked in the title as Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV Series), the television series is the basis on the nav. |
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b. The film does not equal the series, this has been stated time and time and time and time and time and time and time again |
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c. If it is indeed part of the 'series' then why isn't Pike, Merrick and those lame vampire antagonists in the 'characters' section? Credited cast? |
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d. The film is related to the television series and season eight, but it is not part of the 'series, therefore film = expanded universe. Can we please move it? Thankyoubye. [[Special:Contributions/58.164.112.194|58.164.112.194]] ([[User talk:58.164.112.194|talk]]) 00:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::'''No!''' Absolutely not no! We cannot move it and this debate is NOT one that needs to happen, and here is why: |
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::'''A:''' the title link is to the series because there is no other, better link (Buffyverse is not acceptable as it includes ''Angel'', which has its own template). If you look in the above section of the talk page, you will notice that there has already been a discussion on the creation of a ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' franchise page in order to put in the title link. |
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::'''B:''' "Expanded Universe" is described in its [[Expanded Universe|article]] as: "the 'extension' of a media franchise (i.e. a television show, series of feature films, etc.) with other media (generally comics and original novels)", and, since the ''entire'' freakin' ''Buffy'' franchise is derived from that one, awful movie, then, if anything, ''everything else'' is expanded universe, but since that would be ''absolutely ridiculous'', we lumped it together with the series section. |
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::'''C:''' The film was never considered not part of the series, just not canon. The canon version of the events of the film - including the characters Pike, Merrick, and Lothos - can be found in the ''Origin'' comics. |
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::'''D:''' The reason why the template is so heavily biased towards the series (the character section for example) is because the series is the most readily recognized incarnation of the franchise by the public. Not many people could tell you who played Buffy in the film (Kristy Swanson), but almost anyone who grew up in the late 90's could tell you that Sarah Michelle Gellar played Buffy on the show. |
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::The point of all the above points is that, while the film is not in anyway canon (or even decent, for that matter) it is an ''intrinsic'' part of the Buffy franchise. Every single little Buffy thing comes out of that movie, which is why, while it is rather separated from the series, it is by no means and in no way, shape, or form, in any way "expanded universe". [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 02:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::: I would be cool with it if the nav was a ''Buffyverse'' type nav, but it's not, it's a television series nav. "Although there are some exceptions, Expanded Universe works are generally not accepted as canon, or part of the 'official' storyline." - The film is not part of the canon of the series, Season Eight, Angel, After the Fall, Fray, Tales of the Slayer or Tales of the Vampires, henceforth film = expanded universe. The franchise of the nav's basis doesn't begin with the film, and the nav itself is for the television series, so until such time as the nav actually becomes about Buffy as a franchise, move. It's completely in the incorrect position at this point in time. thankyoubye. [[Special:Contributions/58.164.112.194|58.164.112.194]] ([[User talk:58.164.112.194|talk]]) 09:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::The nav already is about the franchise, we just don't have a franchise article and, as the primary aspect of the franchise, the TV show got the link. If that link is the basis for your whole argument, we could just unlink it (the TV show is linked below anyway). You need to get your head out of the "Buffyverse" canon and [[WP:IN-U|stop thinking from an in-universe perspective]]. Canon has nothing to do with a film's role in a franchise. Look at the [[Halloween (franchise)|''Halloween'' franchise]]; that series has 3 movies that were retconned from continuity, as well as a remake. The films have separate continuities and canons, but it's still classed as one franchise. Same with the Batman movies or James Bond or whatever. The ''Buffy'' movie may not be canon, but it's still a legitimate and important part of the ''Buffy'' franchise, whether the fanboys like it or not. [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 15:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::To 58.164.112.194: Have you ever heard the statement "Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square". It is a basic concept of geometry that states that, as anything with four sides and four 90 degree angles is defined as a rectangle, only a rectangle with equal length sides is considered a square. Well, that is the basic format for you expanded universe/canon argument. If something is expanded universe, then it is generally not considered canon, but just because something is not canon in ''no way'' instantly classifies it as expanded universe. Expanded universe is a product that "springs forth" from another concept, and the only place that the film "sprang forth" from was Joss Whedon's magnificent cranium. There are also ''several'' non-canon things in ''Buffy'' that are not considered expanded universe ([[Unaired Buffy pilot]], [[Corrupt (Angel)]], and [[Angel pitch tape]] just to name a few). This argument is so absolutely ridiculous that it is actually making my head hurt. You are trying to argue that a piece of work which an ''entire franchise'' is based on is, in fact, part of the expanded universe of that franchise. In biological terms, the franchise gave birth to its own mother. I am sorry, but there is absolutely no way that the film belongs in the Expanded Universe section. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 19:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Of what you both say is meaningless, as the nav was of the television show, but thank you! Now that you've de-linked the title, the whole thing actually makes sense, rather than being retarded! There are still a few lingering issues however... for one, the 'episodes' link shouldn't be there if the nav is, in fact, about the franchise. Since it is in the second-tier of the nav, it assumes the position of making the nav about the television series. [[Special:Contributions/58.164.112.194|58.164.112.194]] ([[User talk:58.164.112.194|talk]]) 12:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC) |
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The title has been delinked, but the film is still staying in the Series section. We have reached a decent compromise, so accept your losses and gains and go home. [[User:Kingdom2|kingdom2]] ([[User talk:Kingdom2|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Weee!! How I love Wikipedia so. It's just the epitome of democracy at work! And not at one point do we ever think, "what's the point?" Thankyoubye. [[Special:Contributions/58.164.112.194|58.164.112.194]] ([[User talk:58.164.112.194|talk]]) 08:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::We listened to your opinion and removed the link (which seemed to be your main complaint), now do you actually have anything more constructive to add to the discussion at this stage? [[User:Paul730|<small>'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> Paul </span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Paul730|<small>730</small>]] 17:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Color issue == |
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Just bring up an issue here that's been nagging me for a bit now... and it also affects {{tl|Angelnav}}. |
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In light of [[WP:COLOR]] and [[WP:ACCESS]], the background of the title bar really needs to be changed. As it stands, the deep blue makes ''all'' the default text colors hard, if not impossible, to read. |
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Is there a washed out version of the blue that would be acceptable to use instead? |
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- [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 17:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC) |
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==Angel== |
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Should their be mention to the related show angel in the template? Angel the TV show has many charters from Buffy The Vampire Slayer and has a plot based off Buffy the vampire slayer. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.54.34.61|173.54.34.61]] ([[User talk:173.54.34.61|talk]]) 22:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Faith == |
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Why is Faith not in this box? I think she is a notable enough character, certainly moreso than some of the others included [[Special:Contributions/67.246.14.41|67.246.14.41]] ([[User talk:67.246.14.41|talk]]) 03:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:The template contains hidden text, visible if you click edit, which explains that "THIS SECTION IS FOR MAIN CHARACTERS ONLY, SPECIFICALLY THOSE WHO APPEARED IN THE OPENING CREDITS." [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 05:02, 28 November 2015 (UTC) |
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== Requested move 1 November 2017 == |
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section. '' |
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The result of the move request was: '''moved'''. <small>[Insert whinge about the pointlessness of moving templates when you can just create redirects.]</small> [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 09:11, 9 November 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', and this could probably be an uncontested move as it reflects the visible title, which, to me, is the sole important aspect of the name of a template. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 12:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''; we've been moving to plain-English instead of gibberish template names for years, especially for templates used in mainspace. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ><sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>< </span> 20:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' this would have been a good thing to [[WP:BOLD]]ly do. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 06:50, 3 November 2017 (UTC) |
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I am sorry if someone disagrees with my change but I changed the alphabetic order of the main characters to the order of importance and chronological order they had in the series. I don't think alphabetic order makes sense here in the template. Even the major villains are ordered chronologically, not alphabetically, so I think the main characters deserve a better criterion of order. Feel free however to change the characters after Angel, I wasn't sure in what order to put them.--177.134.2.172 (talk) 00:22, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Aren't Buffy the Vampire Slayer adult parodies relevant to the Buffyverse (and therefore it's template)? -- Buffyverse 15:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I changed "harm" to "harmony", "dru" to "drusilla", etc. I understand that an attempt has been made to make the infobox look perfect for one particular editor's monitor. As different people will have different screen sizes and have their text sizes set differently as well, there's no point in attempting this. --Xyzzyplugh 05:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is ridiculously large and, in some cases, fills relatively brief, pithy articles with a mountain of unnecessary material. At most there should be a link to List_of_Buffyverse-related_topics. --Tony Sidaway 03:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since the characters tend to take too much room, can we at least have a separate template for the characters specifically? I've seen template splits before. Just look around the Star Wars articles of this site as an example. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 06:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, here is my opinion on what the template for the Buffyverse should change to:
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Comic Series | After the Fall • Buffy Season 8 • Fray • Tales of the Slayers • Tales of the Vampires |
Expanded Universe | Buffy the Vampire Slayer (film) • Comics • Novels • Undeveloped productions • Video Games |
Auxiliary | Academia • CCG • DVDs (Angel) • DVDs (Buffy) • Guidebooks • Magazines • Music • RPGs |
Universe | Characters (Angel) • Characters (Buffy) • Locations • Monsters • Powers • Slayer timeline |
If would be better if you could merge the Characters links into one and we can have a list of ALL characters from not only the TV shows but from the canon comics also, but I would create this page once it's accepted.
This makes it nice, compact and functional. More importantly, it recognises the changing face of the Buffyverse, with the new direction in canon comics. You can also then go on to have specific Buffy or Angel nav boxes as well. Matty bon (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Auxiliary | Academia • CCG • DVDs • Guidebooks • Magazines • Music • RPGs |
Universe | Characters • Minor characters • Sunnydale • Monsters • Powers |
Okay, here's my version, exlcusive to Buffy only, we also need to make an Angel one. One thing is I'm not entirely satisfied with the "Series" section? I think maybe we need a better name? Also, I'd like the Buffy template to be shades of red rather than blue. The Buffy and Angel boxsets are red and blue respectively so I think it would make sense for the navboxes to match. I'm not sure how to change the colour though. If we're going to split the template into two, should we move Template:BuffyversenavtoTemplate:Buffynav and create a separate Tempate:Angelnav page? Paul 730 20:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would "Franchise" work in place of "Series"? Something along those lines, anyway?~ZytheTalk to me! 10:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Except it's not two distinct series, it is the two distinct series, all spin-offs, and all related and expanded media. While some of the expanded universe and comics can be attributed to their own parent shows, there are still some things which are born from both and some articles which touch on both (music, academia, and awards to start with). Not to mention that Angel, one of these "two distinct" shows, is itself a spin-off of Buffy, and one which draws heavily from the parent at that. Throughout the whole series of Angel, the main cast list never fell below a 50/50 ratio of Buffy alums. These two television shows and their related articles are intertwined so deeply that they cannot be separated, and, personally, I like the template the way it is. If you want to make it look smaller and prettier, though, the key seems to be to follow the trend of the other navboxes and make everything left justified. I don't know how much good it will do, but it is a start. kingdom2 (talk) 03:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Main | Angel · Connor · Cordelia · Doyle · Fred · Gunn · Harmony · Illyria · Lorne · Spike · Wesley |
Supporting | Andrew · Darla · Drusilla · Eve · Faith · Groo · Hamilton · Holtz · Kate · Lilah · Lindsey · Willow |
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Academia · Cast & crew · Parodies and references in popular culture · Undeveloped productions · Awards and nomination |
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Angel Investigations · Circle of the Black Thorn · Jasmine · Monsters |
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Okay, you have swayed me (which is not something that is easily done). However, as for the wikiquote, what reason do you give for not putting it in. It seems like a perfectly reasonable inclusion to me. As for Paul's template, because the characters pages have all the people listed in them, I can see why listing them would be redundant. I would like to point out that there are separate pages for Buffy and Angel novels and comics, so we should change that on Paul's template. I would like to ask, though, if there is a reasonably easy way to put these two templates in the individual pages without having to go through each one by one. Also, Willow was in three episodes of Angel, saving the day in the third, but I can see what you mean. kingdom2 (talk) 21:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, 'cause most Buffy articles only have the Buffyverse template. I would like to ask, even though this is the wrong discussion page, if these new templates make the Angel and Buffy characters ones redundant. These templates are only found on the actual character pages, and in the crossover characters both are found, making for some unnecessary stack-up. I was just wondering if we should get rid of or redirect the Buffy character one and make the Angel character one redirect to the new Angel nav. This would save a couple of pages worth of work and make the whole subject area more uniform. Besides, as I said, the character templates seem redundant. Just a thought. kingdom2 (talk) 02:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I keep editing at the same time. Yeah that is enough of a loophole. She was in the opener, granted as a mean and cruel trick, and she was in more episodes than Oz or Riley. Also, can't forget Angel. He was a regular for two seasons. kingdom2 (talk) 03:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like that idea, and I think that all of the controversy that Paul mentioned would start can be subverted by simply saying "If they were listed in the opening credits at any time, then they go in." Tara was in, so she goes. Joyce was not, so she does not. Simple as that. With Bignole's idea, the only people listed in Buffy would be Buffy, Xander, and Willow, and the only ones for Angel would be Angel and Wesley, which is a pathetic character section. There would be no conflict or edit warring, it is a simple rule. Also, when I listed the Angel characters to go on the list, I forgot Illyria. kingdom2 (talk) 16:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Characters | Angel · Anya · Buffy · Cordelia · Dawn · Giles · Oz · Riley · Spike · Tara · Willow · Xander |
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Auxiliary | Academia • CCG • DVDs • Guidebooks • Magazines • Music • RPGs |
Universe | Characters • Minor characters • Sunnydale • Monsters • Powers |
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Characters | Angel · Connor · Cordelia · Doyle · Fred · Gunn · Harmony · Illyria · Lorne · Spike · Wesley |
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Universe | Characters • Minor characters • Los Angeles • Monsters • Powers |
I don't see anything wrong with the way it looks. The character lists are even practically the same length. What do you think? kingdom2 (talk) 18:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
After a couple of tries, I got the move, but I can't figure out what to do with the character templates. I want this nav to replace the Buffy character nav and the Angelnav to replace the Angel character template, but because you can only replace code and cannot merge articles into each other with moves, something is going to have to be deleted and there will be a lot of fallout and cleanup. Otherwise we are going to have duplicate templates, like we already have with this template and Template: Buffynav. kingdom2 (talk) 01:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It might be good to create a new section to separate the canon Buffy comics from those that are not. It might make things less confusing in the long run --220.238.175.38 17:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I Agree, it has been stated by Joss that he reguards canon as very important, so this should be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.103.78 (talk) 18:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a page dedicated to inside jokes in the 'verse? There's no such thing as leprechauns, etc. samwaltz 11:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the list of people in the box is getting excessively long. Several of the characters are very minor, and are really just cluttering things up in my opinion. I'm thinking specifically of people like Clem, Groo, Scott (who?), and Senator Brucker (seriously, she was in three episodes). Villains who weren't actually the "Big Bad" of their season, like Caleb, are also borderline in my eyes. Jeff-El 05:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Does Angel's hairy girlfriend really belong here? Paul730 01:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are we going to see any chacters from season 8 in there, like Generall Voll or satsu etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.103.78 (talk) 17:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We already have Major and minor character links for both Buffy and Angel. Do we really need a list of all these people? And by first name only? It's not that useful for navigation right now, in my opinion. Maybe if we trimmed it down to just people who actually appeared in the opening credits? -Chunky Rice (talk) 01:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For Angel: {{Angel The Series Characters}} For Buffy: {{Buffy The Vampire Slayer Characters}} I hope this will help out with the large template issue you have with the other one. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 19:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In Expanded universe, we have a comics link, but then links to a comic (Fray) and two comics series (Tales of Slayers/Vampires). Same with novels. Is there a reason these are bumped out? WOuldn't it make more sense to have: Novels, Comics, Video Games, Fan Films - maybe borrow the RPG and card game from Auxilliary.
For that matter, I'm not really sure what the Auxilliary category is. -Chunky Rice (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
...unless you know where to look, or see the character in the template, you will not know that a wikipedia article exists about the character. Say I am new to the series, go onto Wikipedia, find Spike, like reading about Spike, want to know more about others around Spike, where do I look ? Just use the faulty wikipedia search engine ? Oh, wait, there is a Template:Buffyversenav template with more names and information linking directly to the articles I am looking for. Yippie. Thank you for reading and considering rkmlai (talk) 06:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
...are redundant, and clutter up articles. Don't we have a characters list (let's try for featured list!) and some fairly useful categories already? I think the point of a new, slimmer navbox is to do away with the bulky clutter of listing every single important character in the series. If we have to list characters (by some massive consensus), should we not keep it to just credited cast?~ZytheTalk to me! 10:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some people are now listed under both "characters" and "villains".
The "Angel" link in the villains section could probably be made to link to the Angelus section of the article, as he's noth a villain and a main character, but otherwise people like Holtz should just be in one or the other.
Doesn't Jasmine qualify as a Villian big enough to be listed on the template? It's been a while, but it seems like she was a pretty big deal, what with her connection to Cordelia and all... Certainly bigger than some on the template, like Veruca, who was only in three episoes, or Jinx, who was a sidekick... Nerrolken (talk) 01:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Having characters divided into essentially "goodies" and "badies" is a very conjectural approach and borders original research. Looking along the list of "People", there's plent that could be also considered villains at some point in the show (Andrew, Angel, Anya, Connor, Cordelia, Faith... and I'm just up to F here). Plus, the label of "People" is rather vague also - denoting that the villains are all non-humans, which of course many are but some aren't. Let me know your thoughts on this one so I can judge consensus. As it stands however I feel very uncomfortable about the groups being divided this way. Tphi (talk) 23:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I actually totally agree, it's not black & white - for instance, Darla is under 'Recurring' in the Angel characters template, but under 'Villians' in the Buffyverse template. I think we should switch it to 'Main' and 'Supporting' or 'Regular' and 'Recurring' and just differentiate by that 124.181.102.9 (talk) 23:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Main | Angel · Anya · Buffy · Connor · Cordelia · Dawn · Doyle · Fred · Giles · Gunn · Harmony · Illyria · Lorne · Oz · Riley · Spike · Tara · Wesley · Willow · Xander |
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Supporting | Adam · Andrew · Amy · Caleb · Darla · Drusilla · Eve · Faith · Fray · Glory · Groo · Halfrek · Hamilton · Holtz · Jenny · Jinx · Jonathan · Joyce · Kate · Kennedy · Lilah · Lindsey · Mayor Wilkins · Prof. Walsh · Snyder · The Master · Twilight · Veruca · Warren · Wood |
Main | Angel · Anya · Buffy · Connor · Cordelia · Dawn · Doyle · Fray · Fred · Giles · Gunn · Harmony · Illyria · Lorne · Oz · Riley · Spike · Tara · Wesley · Willow · Xander |
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Supporting | Adam · Andrew · Amy · Caleb · Darla · Drusilla · Eve · Faith · Glory · Groo · Halfrek · Hamilton · Holtz · Jenny · Jinx · Jonathan · Joyce · Kate · Kendra · Kennedy · Lilah · Lindsey · Mayor Wilkins · Prof. Walsh · Snyder · The Master · Twilight · Veruca · Warren · Wood |
Why are Kendra and Veruca included? Seriously... if anyone can give any reasonable argument as to why they should stay they should be removed. 124.181.102.9 (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've just created it for the actors template. {{Buffy and Angel cast}}
It's based off of the Star Trek DS9 Template:
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Like that one. It's used for the articles of major cast members who appeared in the opening credits of both series. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 12:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The title of the template currently links to the page Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The problem with that is that the link takes readers to a disambiguation page, which is strongly discouraged. Ideally, the link at the top of this template should take the reader to an article that provides an overview of the whole "BtVS" fictional concept and pointers to more specific information. The closest thing to such an overview is in the article Buffyverse, but this template does not link to it, and in any case that article focuses more on the setting of the fiction than on the characters or plots. I think the ultimate problem is that Buffy the Vampire Slayer should not be a disambiguation page, but an introductory/summary article that provides readers with an overview of the topic and directs them to more detailed articles on particular aspects. Anyone want to write such a thing? --Russ (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
These rules are already stated in the "Too big" section, but I decided to write them again in a new section so that they are clear and readily available. The rule is as follows:
This rule was chosen because of its complete objectivity. While people can debate for hours on the relative importance of characters, there is not debate on what actors appeared in the opening sequence. This rule also means that, because of her one appearance in the opening credits, Tara Maclay is included on the template.
The point of this template is to represent the franchise as a whole, not every little detail and aspect of it. That is exactly what happened with the old Buffyverse template and exactly what we want to avoid with this one. kingdom2 (talk) 16:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I redirected all of the other templates to this template. At first users tried that but they were just redirecting the Slayernav page and that was it instead of redirecting all of the templates that were redirecting to Slayernav. So you were seeing the "REDIRECT:" on many pages. That shouldn't happen anymore. If you guys decide to change the name again, remember to change all of the template redirects or else the same issue will happen again. Here is a listing of the templates that redirect here for future reference. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 13:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)"[reply]
There is no such thing as the "Angelverse". "Buffyverse" applies to both Buffy and Angel TV shows and all media based on them, including the film. While I like the idea of the franchise page, I do not know who will make it, and I do not think that there is enough information to make one. With 40 years of Star Trek, it is easy to have a franchise page. If you include the film, Buffy has only been around for 16 years, and 11 without the film. I think that, while it is not a perfect solution, we should just have the title link be to the TV series page. That is where most of the subjects stem from and it is obvious that having the disam link is going to be divisive. I'll go ahead and change it. kingdom2 (talk) 16:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I think the debate has to happen. Why is it in the series section I ask?
This is what is written in the nav: ATTENTION! DO NOT MOVE THE FILM TO EXPANDED UNIVERSE. THE ENTIRE BUFFY FRANCHISE IS DERIVED FROM THE FILM, SO, WHILE IT IS NOT CANON, IT IS HARDLY EXPANDED UNIVERSE. THANK YOU.
a. The nav isn't about Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a universe, it's even linked in the title as Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV Series), the television series is the basis on the nav. b. The film does not equal the series, this has been stated time and time and time and time and time and time and time again c. If it is indeed part of the 'series' then why isn't Pike, Merrick and those lame vampire antagonists in the 'characters' section? Credited cast? d. The film is related to the television series and season eight, but it is not part of the 'series, therefore film = expanded universe. Can we please move it? Thankyoubye. 58.164.112.194 (talk) 00:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The title has been delinked, but the film is still staying in the Series section. We have reached a decent compromise, so accept your losses and gains and go home. kingdom2 (talk) 19:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just bring up an issue here that's been nagging me for a bit now... and it also affects {{Angelnav}}.
In light of WP:COLOR and WP:ACCESS, the background of the title bar really needs to be changed. As it stands, the deep blue makes all the default text colors hard, if not impossible, to read.
Is there a washed out version of the blue that would be acceptable to use instead?
- J Greb (talk) 17:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Should their be mention to the related show angel in the template? Angel the TV show has many charters from Buffy The Vampire Slayer and has a plot based off Buffy the vampire slayer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.34.61 (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why is Faith not in this box? I think she is a notable enough character, certainly moreso than some of the others included 67.246.14.41 (talk) 03:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the move request was: moved. [Insert whinge about the pointlessness of moving templates when you can just create redirects.] Jenks24 (talk) 09:11, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Buffynav → Template:Buffy the Vampire Slayer – This and Angel are the only television series that use "nav" in the template and are not just named after the show itself. Aspects (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've notified Wikipedia:WikiProject Buffyverse about this discussion --Netoholic @ 09:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC) [reply]