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Can I use the templates in Template:AN3orTemplate:RFPP?—AE (talk • contributions) 14:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus - Sure. I would take the source code out of the AN3orRFPP templates that you want to use and then copy them to new pages within your user space and use those as your templates (in case the AN3 or RFPP response templates also generate statistics, are tracked or monitored elsewhere, or also do other things that I don't know about). This way, there's no chance that using the template at your leisure could cause any unintended disruption or other things ;-). I'm sure that all they do is provide an easy and consistent way for admins to respond and nothing more, but that's what I did (and for the same reason - just in case). Let let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will just memorize them all (or transclude the template into my userpage) :) My username is too looooooooooooooong! —AE (talk • contributions) 15:03, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus - HA! That is one unfortunate drawback to having a long username... when you want to make your own templates, calling them can be a pain ;-). Again, I could be completely wrong with the thought that those templates might also do other things. I've never seen them do anything else in my experience - you might just be okay with using them. I would substitute them instead of transcluding them when you want to use them, and this should also avoid any possible issues (if any even exist). Let me know if you have questions or need help in understanding the difference between substitution and transclusion (they are indeed very different), and I'll be happy to answer them and help you. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:10, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you find SPI clerking Interesting? I don't know if I am using the correct term lol, because this is one of the only things on Wikipedia that I am not much aware of. But I want to know if it can interest me too :-) Knightrises10 (talk) 15:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiKnightrises10! SPI clerks are users who are approved and have been trained to help with open reports filed at Wikipedia's sock puppet investigation noticeboard. Other than performing "backstage" duties such as moving and combining pages, fixing errors, updating or changing report and page titles, and other "behind the scenes" maintenance and upkeep, their main purpose is to use their experience and training to investigate open cases and, using the information and evidence provided (alongside their own investigation), decide what actions are needed. If the reporting user requested a CheckUser, the SPI clerk could either endorse the request or decline it. If the evidence is obvious, the SPI clerk would simply request blocking of some or all of the accounts listed and explain the obvious or behavioral evidence warranting such action. In a nutshell, they keep the SPI noticeboard running smoothly by doing the "maintenance and page move work" and by investigating cases and responding with recommended actions that should be taken. You can read through all of the SPI clerk procedures here. SPI is certainly a place that can be both interesting, fun, and rewarding to participate in. However, clerks need to be approved and trained first, and being approved as a clerk requires extensive background experience in locating and reporting long-term abuse and sock puppet accounts, as well as extensive knowledge of relevant policies and processes. With time, experience, interest, and desire - you can certainly become an SPI clerk someday. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to let me know. I'll be happy to answer them if you do. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems interesting but difficult :P What is this training about? Who trains? Knightrises10 (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - The training is typically done by an experienced SPI clerk or CheckUser whose approved to train. The training consists of being given questions to answer, and SPI reports to handle while under supervision, so that the trainer can provide feedback and point the trainee to any mistakes or corrections needed. It basically helps them to learn the ropes, how to handle situations and maintenance/upkeep needs properly, and prepares them for being a full clerk that doesn't require such supervision and is approved to work and clerk in SPI on their own. Let me know if you have any more questions. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks :-) I would like to get trained one day :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightrises10 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - Awesome! It's definitely an interesting project area to participate in :-). When you've become experienced and have mastered the tasks involved with reverting vandalism and disruption, warning users, reporting repeat disruption to the proper noticeboards (AIV, AN3, ANI), catching and reporting users who abuse multiple accounts (this comes naturally when you become a master at patrolling pages and spotting disruption), and creating good sockpuppet investigation reports - you'll then be ready to consider applying. It's definitely a project and position that requires good experience in the areas I mentioned, but it's definitely a good long-term desire or goal to have for yourself. It usually takes quite some time in order to gain the experience required and looked for (one year from today at a minimum, typically 2 years or so average), but it's time that'll pass by quickly if you're doing the right things, and it's experience that you'll benefit from greatly as you grow and learn. Who knows... during the time that you gain experience and grow, you might find yourself interested in another project, area, or pathway on Wikipedia. A lot can happen and change in a year (which is a good thing!) ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's more than possible ;-) Initially, I was never interested in countering Vandalism, but now I am a regular RC patroller. I'm sure and hope I will get interested in more and more, but will never lose interest in anything :-) Knightrises10 (talk) 16:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Oshwah! I’m just wondering if you could review my new draft! (Although it says that it was published) I was wondering if you could help me improve the page, because it’s the church that I go to! Here’s the link to the article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:White_River_Christian_Church DabitDodo 16:13, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

HiDabitDodo! I took a look at your draft, and so far it seems like you're doing well with building it. I wouldn't be doing my due duty and diligence, though, if I didn't mention to you that creating an article about the church you attend and are a regular member of will probably represent a conflict of interest (since you have a relationship with the article subject as a member of the congregation). I'm not saying that you did anything wrong (you most likely didn't know about 'conflict of interest' here), but I want to let you know so that you're not left feeling surprised and frustrated if someone else brings this to your attention or it is the reason behind a decision or response that you don't agree with. Since you're new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you. Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them, and led to them being saved hours of time and frustration. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else. Have a great rest of your day, good luck, and happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for your work in anti-vandalism! Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 20:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiDreamy Jazz! Thanks for taking the time to leave me this barnstar - it really means a lot! I've been running into you quite a bit out on the battlefield - keep up the excellent work, and please know that you're welcome to message me here any time you need anything and I'll be than happy to help. Awesome signature, by the way! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah! Can you take a look here. Since the creator and the subject are same, it seems like an autobiography. Thanks, Knightrises10 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - Can do. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - I deleted the user page per U5 since the user appears to either be using it for self-promotion, as a host, or as if it were for social networking. I'll leave the user's sandbox alone for now, since it's generally okay to have test edits and whatever content in there (so long as it isn't used against policy of course). Please let me know if I can do anything else for you. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I hadn't seen the user page. And doubted if the sandbox should be CSDed. That's why I decided to ask you instead ;) Knightrises10 (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - No problem ;-). The user page was exactly the same as the user's sandbox. Depending on how they're using their sandbox, it can be tagged for speedy deletion, but we're generally more loose when it comes to user sandboxes. It just depends on what they're using it for and what their intent seems to be focused on. Come back any time you run into any more questions; you're always welcome here. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah! Can you please Semi-Protect Cyclone Mahina? This article has been persistently vandalized by IPs over the last month. Most of the IPs appear to be the same person, but since the IPs involve multiple, distantly-related ranges, I'm not sure how effectively a block can be implemented for that person. The edits by anons to that article have been persistently non-constructive, and I believe that the article could benefit from some protection. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:51, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiLightandDark2000 - It looks like the IP editing has only occurred a few times over the past few months, so I'm going to hold off on applying semi-protection. However, I'll apply pending changes protection to keep things from appearing readable to the public until after they're approved. If the disruption picks up in frequency or severity, let me know and I'll gladly take another look and reconsider the protection that's needed. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Thanks for the message and I wish you a great rest of your day. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - thank you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The User is again being very disruptive. Block? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thegooduser - The user has been blocked. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:29, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:50, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Thanks again ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:54, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thegooduser - Responded. Also, this didn't need to be emailed to me privately. Please keep in mind that messages that don't contain sensitive diffs or edits or messages that are not urgent or emergencies should be posted publicly on my user talk page here. It keeps discussions public and collaborative, and is what the community expects to be done by default so that others can view and provide input (if needed). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:29, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry! Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 03:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's okay; we just need to keep messages that should be pubic, public ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How does it work???? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 03:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thegooduser - OneClickArchiver is a set of scripts operating alongside a bot. In a nutshell, it provides you with a link next to each discussion section, and by clicking the "Archive" button the tool creates, the bot will edit the page and move the discussion and append it to an archive page for you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need a source to prove Thomas Andrews was Irish. My source is already on the page. He was born in Comber, County Down 'IRELAND', that makes Andrews 'IRISH' not British. You wouldn't refer to someone from Scotland as British, you would call them 'SCOTTISH'. The same for someone from Wales - 'WELCH', and Australia - 'AUSTRAILIAN'. But it is a typical way of an Englishman, if they're successful, they are automatically British, whereas if they're unsuccessful, they're their true nationality - Welch, Australian, Irish and Scottish. So allow me to correct Thomas Andrews' nationality to 'IRISH' — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronAj 96 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiAaronAj - Oh, then please accept my apologies. If this information and content is already referenced elsewhere within the article, then you're fine - feel free to make the changes that fix and make it accurate :-). Thanks for letting me know, and please don't hesitate to message me if you have any questions or need any help. I'll be happy to lend a hand should you ever need it :-). Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Oshwah. Yesterday you suggested me to substitute those AN3 or RFPP templates. However, It doesn't seem to work if I do it like {{subst:RFPP|d}}. It still shows {{RFPP|d}} in the source code. Do you know how to fix it or just leave it alone? —AE (talk • contributions) 09:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus - I can fix it for you, sure. Where is your copy of the template located? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No I didn't copy it. I use the default {{RFPP}} templates —AE (talk • contributions) 09:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah okay, that's fine. In order to substitute the template, simply add {{subst:tlx|RFPP}} to the page you wish to use the template, and it will do so.

Let me know if you have any questions, and let me know if you're unsure of the difference between substitution and transclusion and I can explain that as well - it's confusing for many until it's explained in a TL;DR fashion ;-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:14, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The result you mentioned above in the cbox is only for {{RFPP}}, how about substituting {{RFPP|d}} which shows Declined. (d is the parameter) —AE (talk • contributions) 09:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Abelmoschus Esculentus - Ahhh, so I didn't realize something. Looking at the code when I added that substitution, we have another step to do first. That template takes a parameter, which substitutes another template depending on what you chose (in this case, you added 'd' as the parameter). Hold on, I'll write you some instructions... stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus - You know what? I just realized... there's a better template you can use if you're looking to use the "denied" response. Use Template:Declined instead of Template:RFPP. This way, you just need to add {{subst:Template:Declined}} to substitute it:

That should be what you're looking for. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. But that series doesn't have Already blocked :(. Maybe I just transclude it. Thanks for your help again and hope you have a good day. —AE (talk • contributions) 09:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus - No, don't be silly :-). Let me locate the template for that particular response and give it to you. If it doesn't exist, I'll just make one for you - easy peasy ;-). Give me a few and I'll respond here with the location. Stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus -  Done, here you go :-). The template I just created for you is located at Template:Already blocked. Let me know if I can help you with anything else and I'll be happy to do so. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! <3 I'll try to do others. Cheers —AE (talk • contributions) 09:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus - No problem. If you get stuck or need more help, you know where to find me ;-). Good luck - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:44, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What skills I should have to become software engineer at Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4070:2288:73B2:7638:2E55:9739:BDC2 (talk) 09:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your question :-). For most editors on Wikipedia who are proficient with software, adding and fixing scripts and code, and editing templates and other site-wide and project code pages on Wikipedia - they brought their experience and skillset to Wikipedia with them from outside experience and education. They didn't learn the basic fundamentals of software engineering, scripts and coding, and how to build, troubleshoot, maintain, and improve code pages from here. What exactly are you wishing to do on Wikipedia when you ask what skills you should have to become a "software engineer at Wikipedia"? What would you like to be doing exactly? This information will help me to understand what you're asking exactly, as well as set you in the right direction. Let me know when you can and I'll be happy to continue helping you. Hope to hear back from you soon - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help with the above article. Just in case you didn't have time to look at the context I came across the article when reviewing NPP and despite it being an obvious COI or PAID article as per WP:POLITICIAN he was presumed notable but the original source saying he denied being disqualified made me curious. I scraped around and found confirmation of this so it was a pleasure to add this information and see the COI editor hoist with his own petard. --Dom from Paris (talk) 11:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiDomdeparis! No problem. I ran into it while I was patrolling recent changes, and I noticed the ongoing dispute and what was clearly an obvious COI issue and edit war. If any shenanigans continue on that article, let me know and I'll be happy to take a look and step in if needed. Thanks again for keeping eyes on it and for making the edits and reversions with the project's integrity and best interest in mind :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:57, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! This page is in my watchlist and I usually come across IP edits, most of which are either unsourced or personal views/commentary. Since the page is not frequently vandalised, semi-protection is not needed. But will it be useful if it is protected as Pending Changes? Thanks, Knightrises10 (talk) 12:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiKnightrises10! Welcome back :-). To answer your question: Yes, I think this situation is perfect to where applying pending changes protection is useful over applying semi protection, and I have applied such protection to the article for two months. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Hope to speak to you again soon, maybe on IRC? (Not sure if you ended up liking IRC or chatting on the English Wikipedia channel or not) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:19, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :-) Yup, I liked IRC, though I don't use it frequently. Hope to talk to you there soon. Knightrises10 (talk) 12:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - You bet. I'm on IRC 24/7 and usually active - stop by whenever you're feeling up to it; you're welcome back any time :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please also see this draft, if it meets the criteria for deletion. Knightrises10 (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - Yup, G11 definitely applies here. Keep up the excellent work :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah, The Shah Salim Khan page has content written that he's disqualified. However, he isn't disqualified and is a sitting member of the Gilgit Baltistan Assembly after re-election. The official website content will be updated also. Please let me know how can I update that information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassankhanonline (talk • contribs) 12:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiHassankhanonline, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your concerns. If the content within the article is not correct, you should add a discussion to the article's talk page with your explanation and any references you can provide to show otherwise. This will allow your information to be discussed and (if determined to be correct) added to the article for you. Please add a discussion there, as this is the proper way to address your concerns. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any additional questions or concerns and I'll be happy to help you further. Thanks again for the message and I wish you the best of luck and a peaceful discussion with the information you add to the article's talk page :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah, I don't have any links available for that information at the moment. Until or unless I get the information please delete that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassankhanonline (talk • contribs) 12:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jeez Oshwah, what'd you do to really get that IP mad. He was probably just misunderstood :) . I'm just curious, can you warn people for vandalism in talk pages or just for edits to articles?
Kyle Bryant (talk) 13:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kb03, You can warn IPs for vandalism on talk pages, especially when it violates the talk page guidelines. Usually this involves deleting or editing other's comments. In those cases, I usually use {{uw-tpv1}}. However, I tend to use the {{uw-vand1}} templates for the instances when the vandal blanks the entire talk page and replaces it with nonsense. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 13:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)[reply]

HiKb03! Heck if I know, but I'd much rather them make their threats toward me than toward other editors. So if they want to trash my talk page, threaten to kill me, or whatever troll things they usually do, I say as long as they're doing it to me and not someone else - let em ;-). Also, as AntiCompositeNumber said above - you can warn users for disruption and violations of policy that are made to any page on Wikipedia where you discover it. You certainly are not limited to just patrolling and warning users for disruption just to articles ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know. I need to create a banner for my Talk page telling these "poor misunderstood" people to please vandalize your userspace, threaten to kill you, call you names, and otherwise adorn your Talk page with flowers and pretty baubles. One well-known sockmaster keeps saying I'm deceased (one step beyond threatening to kill me), but I'm fairly certain he's wrong.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23 - HA! Good idea! And how dare they spread such lies about you! I'd be fairly certain that they're wrong as well if I were in your shoes... at least fairly certain though ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:35, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23 Sounds like some first world admin problems to me :) . I haven't gotten mail that could be considered 'hateful' yet, I'm a lowly recent changes patroller. I'm cracking up though that Mr. Sock-puppeteer thinks that saying you're deceased is a good way to get revenge. "Oh yeah, see this random admin on Wikipedia, I'll show him!" Kyle Bryant (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not mail - my Talk page. It isn't random, either.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not even admin problems. I get occasional hate mail, and there's a guy (about whom it was relatively easy to find PII, though I don't plan to share it here) in SoCal who likes to make fairly regular death threats on my page, and even resorts to making death threat usernames, which amuse me to no end. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one he does it to, but he does seem to like me a bit more than the others. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'm just lucky then, or don't have enough edits to encounter someone like that. It makes you wonder what people hope to accomplish by leaving threats. Kyle Bryant (talk) 15:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To strike fear or cause anger, usually. It's worth noting that people who presume others will react that way almost inevitably do so because that's exactly how they would react. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:02, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's simpler than that... they're trolls. What do trolls typically do? They troll. lol ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:03, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I like to troll the trolls, personally. Not on wiki (mostly on 4chan and reddit because the butthurt potential is just so strong there). But I wouldn't consider myself a troll. Although I do like bridges, and I'm large and occasionally smelly... And ugly... Holy crap I think I need to go reevaluate my life. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MPants at work - HA! I probably look and smell more like one than you do :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:12, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that. I fit both the "fat slob nerd" and "backwoods hick" stereotypes. Although I'll admit that you do have the hair for it. ;) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:19, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We doing a death threat thread are we? GMG^talk 16:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! Myself, I like to critique their style. Anyone who knows enough about me to actually follow through should also already know that I'm better armed, trained, a better shot and probably meaner in general. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:36, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		You are a joy to talk with both on the Wiki and on IRC! Even when being threatened by vandals, you still are able to keep a good sense of humor. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMinersClick Here To Talk To Me! 15:25, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiLakesideMiners! Thank you for the barnstar and for the very kind words. I appreciate it very much and it means a lot :-). Hey, no matter what happens on Wikipedia, you can't let trolls and LTA users get you down - else you're just giving them exactly what they want, right? ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, you are right. The thing is, they don't make me feel down, most of the attempt are so outrageously funny, they end up doing the exact opposite of what they want to do. and also, the Scottish Wiki is one of the best things I have ever seen. https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 16:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is this Counter Vandalism Network?Knightrises10 (talk) 19:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiKnightrises10! Really, it's just a group of editors and people who perform recent changes patrolling and reverting of vandalism. There are IRC channels listed where people can chat, etc. It's comparable to the Counter-Vandalism Unit located here on Wikipedia - it's nothing "official" that requires participation, nor does it give you "exclusive" or "special" things by being part of the group. Heck, I've been performing recent changes patrolling for over 10 years, and I've visited the Counter-Vandalism Unit pages maybe a dozen times and long ago. I don't think I've ever visited the Counter-Vandalism Network page you've pointed out to me - at least not in a very long time. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey-o! I have few questions about Revdel and Oversighting. First of all, what is the difference between the two? They both seem to do the same thing. Second, in extreme cases, will revisions be completely removed from the wiki? Like as in it is not visible by ANYONE? Thanks! Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 22:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) At least according to WP:OSFAQ, RevisionDeletion and Suppression are functionally the same, except that Administrators cannot see or revert something that has been Suppressed. Oversight is deprecated in favor of Suppression, but when it's used, it's nigh-impossible to revert, requiring a database change. Ravensfire (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiLakesideMiners! Sure, I can explain that for you no problem. Revision deletion allows for administrators to hide revision text, edit summaries, and the performing username/IP of edits from public view. They can also remove the action/target, log summary, and the performing username/IP of an event log from public view as well. When they do this, such information is only viewable to other administrators. Oversighters have the same exact abilities as administrators do and they use the exact same special page to perform the same actions. The difference is that Oversighters have (literally) one extra checkbox available to them there that administrators don't. When they check this box, the information becomes visible only to other Oversighters. Think of it as "hiding the information more" (if that makes sense). Oversighters also have an extra checkbox they can select when they block user accounts indefinitely, allowing them to instantly suppress the username of that account from all logs and edits in a single click. They also can change the visibility of Abuse Filter logs. Aside from those things, the main answer you're looking for is that Oversighters can do what admins can do, only they can set edit and log information to be hidden even from administrators. Yes, I believe there are situations where the WMF will actually remove content from Wikipedia where it's actually gone. One example would be child pornography. Let me know if you have any more questions about revision deletion or suppression and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On a more opinionated note and while I'm talking about it, I believe that the checkbox available to Oversighters when blocking user accounts indefinitely (automatic suppression the username from all edits and logs) should also be available to administrators (only their use of the option would revDel the username from all logs and edits instead of suppress them). I find that option to be a very useful and powerful tool that would save me a significant amount of time if only I had it available to me. Because I don't, I'm forced to manually redact BLP, libelous, or threatening/attack usernames from each log manually - the block log, the user creation log, the page deletion log, UAA, and more places. I've got it down to a science and process where I can do have a username manually redacted from all logs in about 15 seconds. It would just be nice if I didn't have to do that though ;-). Anyways, thought thought I'd share... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:34, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Applogies for bad spelling, spell check dosen't work well with the mobile app)I assume that you know what spawned me asking this :p. and ouch. Couldnt you proprose that that be added to the adminastairs toolkit or what ever it is? or are you confdent that your request for OS perms will be approved?Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 23:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Because you rock!! ^-^ Wikiequus210 (talk) 08:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please verify other edits of the editor. Xx236 (talk) 13:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Xx236 - Are you looking for assistance? What do you need "verified" exactly? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not feel that my edit was in anyway political, but just pointed out the fact that collecting repayments under the current loan system and using a graduate tax both have the exact same problems; Under the current system, UK/EU Nationals (who have gone to university in the UK) abroad are legally supposed to declare their income so that SLC can send a bill/invoice for that month/years payment to pay off the loan. Under a graduate system, there would similarly (probably) be a legal requirement to declare their income to SLC (/Government if they change where it's paid to) so that the SLC can send a bill for that month/years payment to pay off the loan.

In both cases, it can be evaded relatively easily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.155.15 (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your explanation. Your edit heretoTuition fees in the United Kingdom included the statement, "the repayment system is basically a tax that just happens to have a ceiling" - which seemed to be opinionated to me. This aside, you didn't citeareliable source with your changes. These concerns put together are why I reverted your edit. Please review the policies and guidelines I linked you to and let me know if you have any questions about them. I'll be happy to answer them if you do. Best - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you reverted the physical geography spheres. The cryosphere describes frozen water while the hydrosphere describes liquid water. The list "atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, and geosphere" is awkward because the geosphere describes the lithosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, and atmosphere. That is, repeating two of the previous spheres in the list. My edit of "including the atmosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, biosphere, and lithosphere" is more accurate because the listed items are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.201.254.113 (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I'm not sure what article and what edit you're talking about - can you tell me which one so that I can take a look? Thanks - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:41, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, thanks! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:59, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Knightrises10 - Replied. Thanks for the email :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IsJonmiahaLong-term abuser?AbuseLog Edit  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  23:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiMr. Guye! Thanks for the message - it's great to talk to you again! I hope you're doing well :-). At first glance, it looks to be a false positive. I need to make some adjustments to my edit filter and remove old entries and conditions that are no longer needing to be looked at - this is why I think some false positives are coming back. Thanks for the heads up; I'll keep looking into refining the filter further and making things, so stay tuned. Thanks again for the message and I wish you happy editing :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah, many thanks for your kind words and patience. The way you said it honor you. I did what you reccomended and re-structured the whole article so now I think is ready for your revision. You'll notice the super-neutral content only showing facts with credit references. Filmography tables are not mixed anymore making difference between stand-alone films/programmes, Series and Films/series/programmes created not as director but as Director of the channel. I don't explain any more. Simply check it with your own point of view and please tell me whatever you think. I'd prefer if you tell it to me or discuss in stead of revert things directly :-). I'm sure you'll help a lot to improve the article. Have a nice day. Enrique Nicanor (talk) 11:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiEnrique Nicanor! Thanks for following up and for letting me know that you modified the article. One question: has anyone talked to you about the guidelines regarding autobiographies? Have you reviewed the behavioral guidelines regarding conflict of interest? Looking at your username, I assume that you're the person that you're writing about (which is yourself)... I just want to make sure that you understand that what you're doing is highly discouraged behavior and that your work may be highly modified, shortened, or even removed by other editors because of this. I just want to make sure that I've this expectation with you before - and if I haven't, that I do so now. I'd also highly recommend that you contact the volunteer response team and follow their instructions to have yourself verified if you're the person you're writing about (and have your username changed to something else if you're not). Knowing these guidelines and following these recommendations will save you many hours of time and frustration. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:14, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What wikicode should I use to add emojis to signatures? —Eli355 ( 👄 talk 👄 • 📜 contribs 📜 • 🍩 logs 🍩 ) 20:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) You should not. See WP:SIGIMAGE —AE (talk • contributions) 12:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abelmoschus Esculentus - Emojis are different than images. Images are uploaded files that you use wiki links to transclude and display. Emojis are actual text characters that you'd type or paste into text just like any other letter, number, or symbol. The difference is that images are a drain on server resources and take up space due to having to load them for everyone, and take up unnecessary edit space due to the links being pasted every time you sign your signature. Emojis (if entered correctly and as text) don't do this and aren't explicitly disallowed by Wikipedia's signature policy. Even though they're not disallowed, I still don't recommend them (read my response below for more details). Just figured I'd respond here and let you know ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiEli355! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your question. Emojis aren't used by calling any "wikicode" - they're actual characters that you type or paste into text just like any other letter, number, or symbol. If you use any wikicode to link to what appears to be emoji, then you're actually linking to files or images - which isn't allowed as explained by Abelmoschus Esculentus above (per this section of the signature policy). While Wikipedia's policies on signatures doesn't explicitly mention emojis and doesn't forbid the use of them (images are different than emojis), I generally tell other users who ask me about them that I don't recommend them. Not all browsers and Operating Systems will translate and display them properly, and some won't display them at all. This can lead to unnecessary confusion by other editors that could have just been avoided by not using them at all. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for the message, and I wish you happy editing :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How should I cite PDFs (such as this)? —Eli355 (👄👄👄👄 • 📜📜📜📜 • 🍩🍩🍩🍩) 23:47, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I usually just used the Cite template to do it (either as a report or whatever seems closest to what it is). See the template documentation here, as well as Wikipedia's guideline page on citing sources in-line for more information and examples - those pages should provide you with exactly what you're looking for. I also explain this more and with an example here as well. Let me know if you have any more questions about this after reading through the documentation and examples I linked you to and I'll be happy to help you further. My talk page is always open to you and you're welcome here any time. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I will open an RfC about disallowing emojis in signatures :) —AE (talk • contributions) 11:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah, I'm posting a link to this misplaced rant here as it's more humorous than anything offensive, and thus doesn't need to be handled privately, and probably doesn't need to be redacted. It looks like just another person mistaking Wikipedia for Facebook or the company's website. I also thought you might want to leave one of your trademark understanding messages on the IP's talk page explaining that Wikipedia isn't the proper forum for this, though given the unfortunate nature of open editing and dynamic IPs, the user will probably never see the message. Thanks for whatever you deem necessary. - BilCat (talk) 20:48, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Now I'm tempted to respond using a fake signature like "BET (Official)" thanking the IP for their suggestions and promising to take it under advisement. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My temptation was to write: "If you don't like what's on the channel, watch another channel." - BilCat (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HA! Thanks funny, but don't do that :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiBilCat! Sure, I'll take a look and leave the IP user a message if the need is still warranted. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BilCat -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks as always. - BilCat (talk) 00:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah! When you have a moment, could you take a quick look at Hamilton, Texas? A new user doesn't want to get off the soapbox about a news story, and I'm not quite sure what to do next... Thanks! --IamNotU (talk) 03:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I’ve reworded it and removed a significant portion of the content in question. I personally don’t think it deserves a mention in the article, but for now I’ve removed contentious bits which should not remain as discussion ensues over whether to include the section. Vermont (talk) 03:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vermont, thanks for that. I never know what to do when an editor demonstrates that they're willing to edit war, not follow BRD, and are not willing to stop and discuss on the talk page. After I revert for the second time, I'm stuck. I don't want to continue with a third revert and edit war, but I don't want to just give in and let it stand. I can't force them to discuss, but without that I can't go to dispute resolution. And I can't report them for edit warring, if they've only reinstated twice. In this particular case they've now shown up at the talk page now, so at least we can move forward... but it seems like there's a bug in the system there, that favors editors who are willing to edit war over those who aren't. --IamNotU (talk) 07:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Vermont - that's clearly not encyclopedic content per WP:NOT. And page protection is how you control that...go to RPP and request full protection for an edit war. Even if protection isn't granted, it will attract enough attention that the party pushing the content will be able to be blocked at ANEW for edit warring, especially with content as clearly unencyclopedic as this. John from Idegon (talk) 11:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vermont, IamNotU - I removed it again. John from Idegon (talk) 11:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

John from Idegon, thank you. Vermont (talk) 12:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks John from Idegon for the support. You're right that page protection is useful for controlling an edit war. One thing I'm trying to learn from Oshwah's style is that staying open and positive and asking for discussion - especially with new users - can be just as useful, before going ahead with protection and blocks. If it works then there are less toes stepped on, and if it doesn't work, at least you tried - and they failed. Evidence of failing to communicate despite being given ample opportunity strengthens the case for blocking... --IamNotU (talk) 19:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IamNotU - It makes me happy to see that you're doing your best to try and talk to the user directly about potential issues first and in a positive, civil, and understanding manner. It's really important to try and do as a first step; it helps new users to learn and understand policies and be open and receptive to feedback by others when we do this. Editors bite newcomers more often than many think they do, and this is exactly the thing that will reverse the trend. I mean, otherwise, if just tell them to stop what they're doing and in an authoritative manner, and then run to noticeboards to have them blocked before they get a chance to ask questions or discuss things, we just leave the impression that we're a bunch of uncivil editors trying to remove content and push out viewpoints. When we frustrate and bite new editors, they will think these things and it only adds to the negativity that you see in blogs and the media about how we're trying to push our views, which obviously isn't true at all. Plus, like you said: even if it doesn't work and the user ignores us and keeps on with the disruption, we now have more documentation to show when we do make a report to a noticeboard that attempts were made to talk to the user, warn them, ask them to discuss the dispute, and they were ignored ;-). I just wanted to commend you for doing this and encourage you to keep it up! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vermont, IamNotU, John from Idegon - Thanks for working to resolve the matter with the new user. I left a good faith warning about edit warring and 3RR - hopefully this will help the user to take the recommendations and instructions given to them and discuss them matter if they feel that the removal isn't appropriate. Let me know if disruption continues and I'll be happy to take another look and step in if needed. Thanks again, everyone, for your dedication and for attempting to be civil and helpful to the user. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah

I am hosting a wikieditathon on Ada Lovelace day tomorrow - I created a my page, or so i thought last week and made 5 edits. However I am not sure why it has been deleted and i am still in red. Please advise Thank you WikiZebraCarol WikiZebraCarol (talk) 18:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)HiWikiZebraCarol, it looks like Oshwah is a little busy at the moment, maybe I can help? I don't know what was on your user page, but the reason given for deleting it was "U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host: Also G11" - G11 is "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I imagine that extra scrutiny was given because it seems your account was just created and hasn't ever edited a Wikipedia article before, which is sometimes a sign of people who just want a free web page, without being part of the community. You're welcome to create your user page again, but please be sure that it doesn't contain advertising or promotion. User pages are to let other editors know something about yourself and your activities on Wikipedia, and uses outside that are normally not allowed. Please see WP:UPGOOD for more information. Hope that helps... --IamNotU (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiWikiZebraCarol! Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for leaving me a message here with your request for assistance. I'll be happy to explain Wikipedia's policies on user pages and expand on what IamNotU said above. The reason I deleted your userpage was because it contained information solely about yourself, your affiliation with the Zebra Partnership organization that you appear to be employed by, and the purpose of the organization. While your user page referenced Wikipedia regarding the organization and goals, I felt that the text read as if it was written with the purpose of advertising the organization and your position within it, and much more so than anything "Wikipedia-related". You also did not make any edits outside of your userpage, which an indication that the purpose of the text was to promote yourself and the organization - a behavior that many editors whose purpose is solely to promote are observed doing. This is why I deleted your user page under the U5 and G11 sections of the speedy deletion guidelines. Please see Wikipedia's policy on user pages (namely this section and this section) for more information regarding what is allowed on user pages and what is not. Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for the message, I welcome you to Wikipedia, encourage you to bring more people to the project to participate, and I wish you a great day. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah Do I have to create a new page? I innocently thought that was just an account profile. I had performed some small edits and had confirmations. I’m trying encourage others to join Wikipedia especially contacts in the community that are immobile. Please advise if I need to start again. Regards WikiZebraCarol — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiZebraCarol (talk • contribs) 14:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Isthis a BLP violation? Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 22:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiAdam9007! It's good to talk to you again! I hope things are going well for you and that you're having a great day. I mean, yes it is, because the user didn't cite any references per WP:BLP after mentioning two people that appear notable, but the user's message was clearly intended to troll and cause disruption, and obviously should be removed (which you did). Is it serious enough to warrant RevDel under RD2orWP:RD3? I'd say no... it seems like silly childish trolling and nothing that would be considered a serious BLP violation compared to the libelous and very severe things we've both seen many times before ;-)... certainly not to a level of severity to warrant any kind of redaction. Let me know if I can help you with anything else and I'll be more than happy to do so. My talk page is always open to you and you're welcome here any time :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Oshwah, hope all is going well for you my friend, just a little message to thank you for your intervention in order to stop the edit war at Saudi Arabia. Take care.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiWikaviani! I appreciate the message and the gratitude very much :-). You're quite welcome! Please don't hesitate to message me if I can help with anything and I'll be more than happy to do so. My talk page is always open to you and you're welcome here any time. Cheers :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations. I hope you could succeed CU next year Hhkohh (talk) 09:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Hhkohh. I appreciate it very much :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:46, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did this edit, cheers Hhkohh (talk) 15:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HA! I saw that. Thank you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:53, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, IA diff Hhkohh (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:37, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trijnstel_talk 10:17, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trijnstel - I just responded to you :-). Let me know if you need anything else. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Thanks for accepting my name request, please can you help me with what I need to do next as I am a but unsure

Thanks Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by BDP Agency (talk • contribs) 10:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiBDP Agency! Sure, I'll be happy to help you out. Just click here to send a request to have your username changed. Enter the new username you put in your unblock request (AdamMiddleton) and just state under the reason that your current username needs to be changed in order to comply with policy, and that you're being asked to do so by an administrator. That should be all you need to do! Someone will perform the rename of your account, and you'll be notified when this is done. Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:00, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, you need to have an email address added to your account (if you didn't already do so when registering) before you can file that request. So if you receive an error regarding an email address and your account, that's why. You'll just need to click here to add one. Then try filing the username change request again. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations for being selected to be an oversighter! I hope you can become a CheckUser next year. For now, however, you can put the OS in OShwah!^Semi_Hypercube ✎ 11:17, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

SemiHypercube - HA! That made me chuckle. Thank you for the congratulations and the best wishes. Hey, I'm just happy that I was appointed for one functionary role... both would've been nice, but at least this way I only have one new change to get used to and become 100% proficient with instead of both of them. Yup, like you said: there's always next year. Thanks again ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]