Hi Bishonen, hope you are fine. Wish you a very happy & prosperous new year! Deep singh kumawat has been involved in slow edit warring, trying to promote the communities (Kumhar & Kumawat) using unacceptable sources and mostly trying to remove sourced content from the article on Kumhar, see 1, 2, 3 & similar ones (in spite of warnings and discretionary sanctions alert on their talk page)! Now, after the recent revert, Deep singh kumawat is trying to threaten me saying they have admin friends in Hindi Wikipedia and some higher authority will 'prevent' me 'from getting promotion' (God knows what they mean)! But this is not the problem; the problem is when I reverted this edit along with a proper edit summary here, they have reverted my talk page edit (here)! I guess Deep singh believes that they would decide what I should allow on my talk page! Please intervene. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ekdalian,You are misinterpreting my statements.If you find my article threatening, I am willing to make corrections, that is, I will rarely write like this again.I was asking you to be a compassionate person like my admin friends.From which you have taken inappropriate meaning, perhaps,I am obliged to say sorry to you.
I had given a government reference in place of the removed reference to increase information/knowledge.
@Ekdalian has not given a proper reason for undoing this.1 I am not promoting any caste or community, I have just tried to publish the reliable information I get about them. Despite this, if you feel that I am wrong somewhere, please write with discretion. दीपसिंह10:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the List of converts to Hinduism from Islam article, I removed 4 as they did not had the WP:RS and WP:OR sources. First one: Nargis, in her article I cant see any info regarding her conversion to hinduism in fact opposite "she expressed her wish to be buried following the Islamic rites, Sunil and Sanjay eventually offering the Islamic funeral prayer" in the Personal section.
Another is Khusro Khan, his Religion section explicity states that "Barani's narrative is unreliable, and contradicted by more reliable sources. Khusrau Khan wished to be seen as a normal Muslim monarch, and had the khutba in the mosques read in his name." Hence including him on the list severely violates WP:NPOV and WP:RS and WP:Fringe.
Another case is of two brothers, Harihara I and Bukka Raya I, both articles explicity state that their early life is "unknown and most accounts are based on various speculative theories" the same paragraph that conjecture their religion. So we need stronger and more WP:Reliable sources to make them in the list.
Dearly platinate, please accept wishes for a cool and fruitful year.
I wonder if you could take a look at Neri Oxman and recent edit streams there, where it seems hard to maintain proportionality. I don't want to spar with the ornery, as it feels like care is warranted, and would welcome your perspective. – SJ +17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About the plagiarism allegations? Man, what a lot of editing. I suppose people basically agree that the plagiarism issue should be in the article, and that Business Insider is an OK source for it? The question is if it should be in the lead. I'll keep my opinion on that to myself, since I intend to protect the article. Daniel Case has semiprotected; that I don't understand, since there's an edit war on, not IP disruption. I've upped it to full protection. A good year to you too, little user! (Oops, that was Bishzilla getting into my head.) Bishonen | tålk18:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
<laugh> Yea, it seems a combination of PIA-fringe and politics is spreading to a range of academic articles this season. It's mainly a question of how quickly and prominently media cyclones propagate allegations into biographies. A wordy section with five separate BI cites is generous to news tails that may wish to wag article dogs. And here (as with the Rufo articles on Claudine Gay) the news outlet was making the news, not reporting on it. That feels like a different role than the one we usually evaluate in considering reliability. – SJ +19:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Bish! I've been looking into some Indian weirdness (lots of spam and UPE) but I'm coming across lots of weirdness that isn't what I'm looking for. Any chance you could have a look at this hyper-focused editor and decide if their contributions are good, bad, or indifferent? They're not what I'm looking for and I don't deal with Indian subcontinent topics. Thanks! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?14:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very focussed - either the subject or an acolyte. I am not bothered enough to start checking the sources, but if they do check out I suggest it should be left alone. It might not get the traffic of a minor anime character, but it might be a more worthwhile subject in the future. (yes, I do nose around India sub-continent issues - mostly ensuring that caste or religious affiliations to not overburden an article). LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, little LessHeard. I would figure an acolyte, for myself. Some of it isn't sourced at all, other than to Pattanaik's own words. You need my what, Harry? Honestly, it's true I've found myself somewhat pulled into Indian subjects, but it's not exactly because I understand them. Little talkpage stalkers? RegentsPark, Abecedare, Vanamonde93, SpacemanSpiff?Bishonen | tålk17:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
My guess would also be that this is an acolyte, possibly with a COI, but the low rate of edits and long time frame suggests to me this isn't UPE. I suspect this individual is notable, but substantive coverage is sparse, and someone will have to dig for reviews of his books to write a neutral article. I'd suggest a p-block from the page until they answer questions about their COI, and taking it from there. The page is full of puffery but I'm not immediately seeing a clean version to revert to, it may have to sit under a tag until someone else musters the energy to fix it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pattanaik is definitely notable but the article is weird. Having ruffled a lot of feathers, he gets a lot of criticism from both sides of the ideological spectrum and all that is clearly missing. That said, I'm not sure this would be UPE, more like a fan's edits (we get that a lot). Compare this article with Pema Khandu and this would even look like a candidate for a Pulitzer! —SpacemanSpiff01:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Bishonen. Do you think you could revision delete the latest contribution on the talk page of User:Peterzabriskie, labeled "redact"? It was me erasing my real name from several of his comments after he ignored my request to keep my identity anonymous after we go into a debate some months ago. Thanks in advance. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ps your timing is coincidentally curious: I no sooner hit submit to The US Copyright Office to register past works of mine. Making me possibly less "not noteworthy " but your resurrection of this ancient dispute surfaces again. Lol. 174.240.160.251 (talk) 22:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded response: That is a coincidence indeed. I'm not sure how you think I would know that you did that. And I did not resurrect it and am not making an attempt to continue it; I simply transcribed it to my Wikipedia page because I believe conversations pertinent to Wikipedia contributions should stay here. And there is no "pursuit"; I didn't even intend for you to get involved. Maybe we could carry this conversation to my talk page? Though I would prefer that it just gets discontinued, especially if we are both content with the way things turned out. Also, you didn't answer my first question. Just curious why you aren't logged in? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The name appears already in this edit, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse, and in every revision from then onwards, so I'd have to revision delete pretty much the entire page history. I'm not sure that's reasonable, and there's also the risk of a Streisand effect. As for you, User:174.240.160.251 / User:Peterzabriskie, you can either log in to your account or get lost from this page. If you act again to make your doxxing more prominent or otherwise disrupt Wikipedia, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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Hi, Someone who's wrong on the internet. I wanted to stop them from creating further accounts, but thinking about it, you're probably right that autoblocking wasn't the best idea (even though the main account isn't exactly behaving like god's gift to Wikipedia). I've changed it. Thanks for your vigilance! Bishonen | tålk18:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks for cutting the Gordian knot of my own design, Bish. I was about to routinely block them, but then got myself caught up with wanting to avoid the appearance of INVOLVED, and then that developed into paralysis about whether it was worth making an AE report...this is a much simpler solution. Writ Keeper⚇♔19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, IP. Sudarshanazhwan has been indefinitely blocked, so there shouldn't be any need for protection. Feel free to come back here if there should be more disruption at the article. Bishonen | tålk09:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hi Bishonen.. can you please take appropriate action against the user Elizabethhistoric77. Please check the revision history of the article on Das (surname) to get an idea of the kind of persistent vandalism by the user in spite of all forms of warnings! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bishonen . . . In November, I made an attempt to update the Herod the Great page. I made factual changes. I supported the changes with credible sources. And the changes were summarily reverted, and so quickly that it is difficult to believe that the changes were considered for credibility. As it happens, all the changes that were undone were either changes to remove biased and derogatory disparagement of the Bible, or to remove incorrect statements that attempted to champion an uncorroborated hypothesis supported by an academic minority. A hypothesis that is not in agreement with scholars of renown, like Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim.
The person who reverted the changes was condescending, rude, and belligerent. I stood up for myself. I was considered "rude," and he was not. I was blocked from the page. He wasn't. And I got the distinct overall impression that some favoritism was taking place.
While I absolutely appreciate that a lot of hacks come onto this site and make ridiculous changes, and the content certainly has to be protected from people who would pollute it with disinformation, I have been researching the topic of Herod the Great and related New Testament history for almost thirty years. I'm not a hack. I do know the information of this topic, and probably better than most. The article in its present condition is rife with biased points of view, blatantly incorrect statements relative to the known facts, and minority conclusions generally dismissed by the academic majority, while the opinions of the majority are virtually non-existent.
I would like to edit the article with credible changes, based on credible sources. I would like to do so without having to fight with the self-appointed watchdog over the site. I can be a quality contributor on several articles surrounding this and related topics. I have a lot of years and a lot of knowledge to share. But there's no point if the changes are going to be summarily undone. I spent a great deal of time carefully wording things and looking up sources the last time, and the first change was undone before I finished the third. It was ridiculous. I won't spend time trying to provide the internet community with valuable information if that time is going to be wasted.
Furthermore, I would like to appeal once more to have the Matthew comment amended. The only relevance Matthew has to the topic of Herod is that Matthew is the source by which Herod is both famous and infamous. The integrity of Matthew's account is not germane to the topic of Herod the Great, only the existence of it. I was not the first person to try and amend it. I won't be the last. The content as it exists serves no purpose other than to disparage the Bible. That, "Herod is most famously known from the Bible's Gospel of Matthew," is as much as is relevant. The addendum that, "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred," only exists to discredit the Bible. It adds nothing to the Herod article, and the credibility of Matthew in this case is an opinion besides. I was told I couldn't add opinionated content (which I didn't actually do; I provided direct primary sources). And it's still an opinion, even if it's an opinion from a published book. Additionally, it is offensive content. And Wikipedia states that it is inclusive. If the content is offensive, not germane, and not established by any facts whatsoever, then it shouldn't be there.
Some guidance on these things would be appreciated. I would like to contribute without harassment, and since concise statements with quality source citations are apparently not adequate, I could use some help in understanding what I need to do to make changes that won't waste my valuable time.
Hello, AlexFrazier. In public is fine. I'm a little taken aback to see that being blocked from Herod the Great and its talkpage in November 2023 has meant that you have edited nothing since. Is Herod your only interest on Wikipedia, really? It seems unfortunate to me that you haven't used the time of your block to edit in other areas and make yourself more familiar with the culture and the policies here. I'm afraid your opinion, shown above, that the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" only exists to discredit the Bible, and is offensive, suggests to me quite strongly that Wikipedia may not be the place for you. The Bible is not considered a reliable source here. Yes, as you say, you provided primary sources (such as the Bible) and drew conclusions from them. That's not how it's supposed to work per our policies: articles are supposed to be based on reliable secondary sources. Drawing your own conclusions from primary sources is not allowed; please, if you read nothing else that I link to, look up Wikipedia:No original research. That Wikipedia is "inclusive" does not mean that you're free to ignore our rules and policies.
To summarize: if you expect me to rein in tgeorgescu and let you edit the article without anybody objecting or reverting, that's not going to happen. (Indeed, I couldn't do it if I wanted to.) Since you seem quite resistant to our rules, I do fear that you would in fact be wasting your time by going back to editing Herod the Great, and/or arguing about it on the talkpage. I don't like to tell anybody they're not a good fit for Wikipedia, but, well, since you appear to actively dislike our principles... I'm sure there are websites out there better suited to your work. You probably know more about them than I do. Bishonen | tålk19:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Are you suggesting that because I find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive that Wikipedia isn't the place for me? Am I understanding you correctly?
I haven't edited anything else because it seems to me that I'll run into the same problem.
Also, I didn't use the Bible as a primary source. I used reliable secondary sources, and they were ignored. I don't expect anyone to protect a page on my behalf. I just want some fairness.
But truth be told, you answered in such a biased and unrelated manner to my post that it's obvious the favoritism I suspected appears to be accurate.
If you folks care more about playing favorites and protecting garbage scholarship because heaven forbid someone should cite an actual primary source (which is what your secondary sources are using to form their "original research" conclusions), then you're probably right. This may not be the place for me. I sincerely thought this was a place where those who had the knowledge could contribute to make a great online encyclopedia. But with the way this is, you might as well just plagiarize a few books and be done with it. AlexFrazier (talk) 19:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim—they lived and died how many years ago? Stick to mainstream Bible scholarship published in the past 20 or at most 30 years. And we have a low opinion of those who try to give the lie to relatively recent works of Bible scholarship published by WP:CHOPSY. We're not Sunday school. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I came to him, not you, to resolve a problem because I feel I was treated unfairly. Your rude and condescending input wasn't needed. Nor did you say anything of worth. Secondly, Theodore Mommsen is a renowned scholar, responsible for numerous volumes of the CIL, the IG, and other volumes of epigraphy and Roman and Greek History, in addition to writing The History of Rome. He was educated at an Ivy League school. Emil Schürer was likewise educated at an Ivy League school, and has numerous publications. I read the rules. They don't say they have to be in the last twenty years or so. The topic concerns history from two thousand years ago. Their educated works have weight. Thirdly, I'm not treating this as Sunday School. There's no reason for you to insult me. I even kept your name out of my communication to keep it neutral. So do me a favor and just leave me be. AlexFrazier (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That person is consistently condescending and rude to me. I don't want anything to do with them. And I didn't plead to that person. I came here to contact the admin for advice on how to be able to participate when following the rules resulted in being blocked.
Firstly, no, I'm not suggesting Wikipedia isn't the place for you because you find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive — not at all. I'm suggesting Wikipedia isn't the place for you because you find the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" to be anti-Christian. Secondly, it's not for you to try to shoo tgeorgescu off this page — my user talkpage. They're welcome here. Bishonen | tålk21:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Indeed, we seek to refrain from offending Christians needlessly. But we still have to call a spade a spade. Actually, liberal Christianity made peace with that since long ago.
Hi Bish.. Sourin666 and Aceofalljackofnone are caste warriors; I have warned both of them multiple times on their respective talk pages. You may please check i) this, Sourin666 initiating a new section along with legal threat, ii) Sourin666 recently saying that three editors (including me) are "nothing more than goons" in this edit, iii) Aceofalljackofnone supporting such a personal attack here! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly tangentially, I just blocked the morning crop of spammers that showed up in edit filter 499, and a lot of them have an AI feel to them. I foresee an avalanche of one-off camelcased names spouting five paragraphs of prosy AI-speak about rubber band importers. With a thoughtful spammer and the right software it could become a real problem. Acroterion(talk)13:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thriftycat, hehe, always fun blocking whole schools! Kidding. I will block you as requested, starting in 24 hours (or a bit more in case I'm AFK). But I'll make it simply "one month" — fitting it to a particular time of day is bothersome. Not sure, either, whether the software counts February as a proper month. Please let me know if you care about those details. Bishonen | tålk17:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
I just started using Twinkle, so sorry about the unnecessary 4th warning. I seemed to have issued the warning right after you banished the user. Is there any way I could have did better? AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 14:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You did fine, AlphaBetaGammsh. Your warning and my block have the same timestamps, so, even though I was probably a smidgeon earlier, you couldn't very well have seen the block before you warned. I didn't mean to blame you by removing your fourth warning — I just thought it didn't look right on the page, just below the block notice. Thank you for warning vandals! Bishonen | tålk14:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hi, Melrorross. I'm afraid accounts can't be deleted, as such. But it looks from the conversation on your talkpage as if what you want is to get rid of the account — to immobilize it, so to speak — and henceforth to use only the older account User:Melroross (note the different spelling). That would be a good thing, since one person isn't supposed to have more than one account. I can take care of it by blocking Melrorross and blanking its userpages, or redirecting them to the Melroross pages. Would that suit you? Please respond below. Bishonen | tålk21:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
And it still doesn't show up on Google, Mr Fröding. (I wouldn't have known, as I use DuckDuckGo. Use DuckDuckGo, don't get tracked!) But you're after a wise and crafty Wikipedian. I'm pretty sure I've got some of those watching this page. Also, might not Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) be the best place to ask? Whatever the problem is, it's surely of a technical nature. Bishonen | tålk09:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Usedtobecool tried something (turn off and turn on again), we'll give it awhile and see what happens. The mission is to get the WP-article to appear above her entry on wikifeet.com in a search like this:[2]. I'm now considering adding that site as an EL, just to see how long it lasts. Maybe in early April. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have been recommended by a friend as a fount of all wisdom on Wikipedia - or at least someone who might know the answer to the question "how do I turn off a peer review request?" I have tried to remove it twice, and it has been replaced both times by an editor who says I can't do that. Do you know the secret handshake? If so, please tell me! The article is History of Christianity. They hated the middle section and I am having to redo it, so it doesn't need more reviewing at this time. Or am I missing something? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for looking out for me, Alexf. Actually, using Twinkle, I ticked the "Block the /64 instead" box, which I generally like to do, and in this case there was also similar vandalism from other IPs in the /64 range, which had been blocked before very recently. (Hence my 72 hours.) See the block log for the /64. Bishonen | tålk22:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Well, strike them if you like. I see OwenX has tagged a few with {{sockvote}}. There are more that Spicy caught, so feel free to tag those as well. Iamcapobroquard, for example, and Capogeezy90, and the IP 130.18.104.156 (partially blocked from the AfD by Isabelle Belato). And since you mentioned the possibility of an SPI, why not add a note + link for that?
So, an IPv6 removing the AfD template? Yes, that's interesting. Maybe give them a little more rope, since the SPI is closed anyway. Bishonen | tålk21:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hi, Ekdalian. Well, according to WP:MISLEADNAME it's not a good idea, but the user has been getting away with it for some time, and I find it hard to get worked up about. Perhaps we can go with WP:BADNAME: "If the name is not unambiguously problematic, it may be sensible to ignore it." Bishonen | tålk21:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hello Bishonen, sorry to bother you again so soon, but maybe you could look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manny Cid, especially the talk page? I don't know if I sound overzealous and I don't think it's really a big deal yet but something doesn't settle right with me. May be a lot of reading again, though you don't have to read the whole AfD, but MEAUSA's and LadyBugFlorida's bits may be worth reading. Any input would be greatly appreciated. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again, AllTheUsernames. Yes, the warning from Schrodinger's jellyfish seems about right. LadyBugFlorida is obviously someone who has read the somewhat paranoid blog about how Cid's page was "suddenly" put up for deletion, and who is unfamiliar with the culture here. So they express themselves poorly and say the wrong things — no surprise there. I'm actually more surprised at the experienced editor who accused you of "bludgeoning". And I notice even the OP, who is on that person's "side", disapproves. If you read WP:BLUDGEON, it's downright ridiculous. But it's not something that requires me to say something adminny, I don't think. It makes a poor impression, which is surely worse for them than you. (Mind you, if people don't want to engage, it's better not to ping them repeatedly.) Bishonen | tålk14:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Ah, that is understandable - no worries! With 20/20 hindsight, it was mighty stupid of me to wade in though the section stayed almost unperturbed for a year. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a confirm rollback script? Not that I need one, I don't rollback much, nor use a touch screen (the horror). But it does show that we have scripts for everything. Bishonen | tålk17:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hi, Bishonen, I just mentioned your name somewhere. So I thought to drop some wiki love here to acknowledge your efforts in dealing with sock puppets. Happy editing! Regards. Maliner (talk) 08:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[4] I had the same hunch, but not strong enough to comment on it. The amount of text, the surprisingly quick reply, etc. How does one "know"? Do we some EARWIG-like AI-detector around, and if we don't, can we get one? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Bish, @Doug Weller and @AndyTheGrump for all the helpful and uplifting input. I'm keeping the AI-tools. To quote Doug's tool, "This result should not be used to directly punish students."
Andy, you're now on my wall:[7]. Best I've heard since "I'd also add from an intellectual standpoint that I'm not really sure how we should deal with people who's claim to notability comes from us not considering them notable." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are many AI detectors, though I've also read somewhere a rather depressing test of how reliable they are (not very). Anyway, I didn't use one, I just thought it was completely obvious. Now, I've tried this one at random from Google's various suggestions, and it says Pedro's first post at WP:COIN has "100% AI content". Doug is using another one. And note that Pedro says to me, or his chatbot says, that he uses it because it makes his text better, so his use of it improves Wikipedia. Bishonen | tålk11:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
A philosophical question arises. Is it even possible to make a personal attack on a chatbot? I've have to say no, since a bot isn't a person... AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, Andy. Also, when I complained about Pedro's use of AI, he told me "I want to clarify that my use of AI tools is solely to enhance my text, leveraging it as the valuable resource it is". A similar argument applies to your use of bad language (and mine): it's solely to enhance our text with a valuable resource. I mean, we could have said "go away", but we chose to enhance it. Bishonen | tålk11:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Aargh! 'Leveraging'! Management-speak flinflam at its most odious. Give me a lever and I'll gladly beat the binary bits out of the server node or whatever that generates such gloop... AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now there's a bullshit-bot, if ever I saw one. Though per stopped clocks it must get things right occasionally. After many attempts, it cam out with this gem: "Making tea imparts reality to personal molecules". Indeed. I rarely feel more real in my personal molecules than when I've got a steaming mug of tea in front of me. And then, the tea and I become one... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, quite a fascinating read. How many policies can one account violate in just two weeks? I count COI, PAID, copyvios, use of AI, CIR, and possibly a few more. I've spent a lot of time lately trying to remove corporate-speak from what is now a 10-page document (it started out at 19), and I loved the way you leveraged the language of heightened concern. Risker (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, provided you condone with me, JoJo. (Condole?) The user had some reason to be uncertain of their English, which was presumably why AI seemed like such a boon to them. You too can sound like a corporate drone! Bishonen | tålk10:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Well, they're insisting that text needs to be changed without recognizing that they need to support that with RS. But they're not engaging in PAs any more that I can see. I'd suggest a little more rope, but an indef could be justified on the basis that competence is required, and they don't have it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'd say they have half of a legitimate grievance buried in there; the cited source clearly supports what's in the article at present, but it also says that they (like many other Dalit groups) attempted to claim a caste identity for themselves. I don't really want to do a caste warrior's work for them, but the movement at least seems worthy of coverage, even if it's hasn't had the results they'd want. And it doesn't obviate the untouchability claim, of course. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanamonde93: Ofcourse, their movement is worthy of coverage but Sourin666 seeks that our article (1) stop using the term 'Pod', (2) mention the caste as a Kshatriya, and (3) remove the fact of the Pods/Poundras being historically subject to untouchability. I can perhaps see where they are coming from — though with some skepticism in light of increasing attempts by certain political factions to downplay aspects of a deeply unegalitarian past — but Wikipedia is not the place for it. Also, I am also reminded of Janaki Nair's incisive essay (p. 243 - 246); esp. the third challenge. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, absolutely! Just another caste warrior, not here to build an encyclopedia, but only agenda is to promote this particular caste! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 17:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And for their achievements achieved throughout the year. A real pleasure to block that one, Fritter. Well, a pleasure tinged with anxiety: I'm not used to having to trust Google Translate quite so blindly. Suppose the Arabic merely meant something like "yo, motherfucker". Bishonen | tålk03:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
I hope you don't mind me bothering you with this again, but I think I may have found another Iamcapogeezy sockpuppet, Bobbyjean97, who has a similar username to many of the blocked sockpuppets and recently created Draft:Gianni Broquard, which is an essential copy of the deleted article. I would open an investigation if I were remotely familiar with the process. What do you think? Also, some recent activity by User:130.18.104.156atCapo, one of the IPs that spammed the AfD–not sure that this matters though. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I'll look into that. On an additional note, I found this casepage from December 2023. Apparently some of the accounts go back to early 2020. There's also the account Capogeezyinc, which is probably a sleeper as Netherzone said, and Jreidray, which is less suspicious but recreated Draft:Capo Geezy a little while ago, which has been deleted 7 times. Do you think that's worthy of salting? Not sure if there would be sufficient evidence to block or not. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's surely evidence, but they haven't really been active. As for salting Draft:Capo Geezy, Oshwah creation protected it in August 2023, though only limiting creation to autoconfirmed users, which seems a little weak to me. But it hasn't in fact been recreated since, so I guess I'll leave it at that. Bishonen | tålk22:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Not affiliated with Capo Geezy, but I will say he is the type to create multiple accounts. Willing to verify however possible. Jreidray (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am a student at his university and he stands around promoting his self and his fame and I thought it a shame he wasn't on Wikipedia. The printouts he handed out said he had tons of listens and followers so I trusted that and other sources. I wouldn't say I have nothing to do with him, we've spoken, but he also has to the thousands of passerby who will stop for a second to let him spill about himself. 130.18.119.125 (talk) 22:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I noticed that. They also changed "Soiler" to "Solier". I don't know if these are deliberate changes or if they just have poor spelling skills. Thanks for handling it! CodeTalker (talk) 20:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Drmies, but I don't think I'm supposed to tag using any of the "CU confirmed" tags, such as {{blockedsockpuppet|username}}. A CU should do that, is what I've been told. (I already tagged with the "suspected and blocked" tag.) Bishonen | tålk23:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
(edit conflict) Oh... well, thanks for the thought, NoobThreePointOh, but I can't say I care. Venting against the blocking admin is something I tend to allow, at least when the blocking admin is me. And I see somebody has reverted it, too. I'm going to bed now; if the venting is too persistent, I expect I'll wake up to see some other admin has revoked TPA. Good night, guys! Bishonen | tålk01:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
I didn't know that he left Wikipedia after your block. He created so many featured and good articles. After the DBigXray episode, there is a bias in favor of editors such as Tranga Bellam Tayi Arajakate, and Venkat. All these CIVIL POV pushers are more problematic. Tranga Bellam has less experience in how film articles are edited. Tranga Bellam's behavior is borderline harassment. they bite newbies, and wiki hounds other's edits. 2409:40E1:10C5:5906:6D9E:F6F2:440D:CACE (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The user left Wikipedia because of a two-month page block? A pretty mild sanction for severe disruption, IMO (compare this ANI thread). And you have found it necessary to log out from your account to come here and complain about it? OK. I'm afraid I would take that more seriously if you weren't hiding. Bishonen | tålk17:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hi, hope this comment finds you well. To be honest, I think the reaction shown to my report may make the attackers bolder. Making numerous instances of personal attacks, which is usually taken seriously, and going with no cautions or warnings. Thanks anyway. --Mhhosseintalk21:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mhhossein, I'm sorry, but the offenses were too old for admin action when you reported them at ANI, and they're even older now. There's nothing I can do. When I told you that at ANI, you said the (old) diffs you had given were merely examples, but you still to this day have not offered anything recent. Do you have anything from the last 10 days? If not, I suggest you'll feel better if you let it go. Bishonen | tålk23:26, 30 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hi there, I see you contributed a minor edit at the page for Antioch International Movement of Churches. Would you consider helping out on that page? Totally ok if not, but you have a lot more experience than I or the other involved editor Austin613 and we're having a hard time agreeing on how the article should be developed. Your feedback might be helpful since you have more experience. But totally ok if you don't have time; since you made a minor edit I thought it was worth asking you. Shinealittlelight (talk) 19:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Shinealittlelight. I no longer remember how I came to make the small correction, but I'm sorry - the subject lies pretty far from my interests and knowledge. Maybe you'd like to use the Wikipedia:Third opinion form of dispute resolution? It's lightweight and easy to use, and perfect for a disagreement where only two people are involved. Bishonen | tålk21:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]
No, this is not a single post. It's three posts — a little conversation — which you restored. I've already asked on ANI where you apologized, purely because the diff you originally provided for it does not contain an apology. I see you have replied there with another diff, where you say『Let’s take it down a knotch. I’m sorry how that was received.』That is actually what's known as a Non-apology apology (please click on my link there), a statement which expresses "I didn't do anything wrong, but you took it the wrong way". The mere words "I'm sorry" can't turn that into an actual apology. Please see also WP:NOTSORRY. But that is by the way, purely because you now mention it. My "allegation", as you call it, wasn't about objecting to your non-apology — hardly worth it, IMO — but purely about restoring some posts. Bishonen | tålk18:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Ok great. I wanted to say thanks for the help in managing the community. I know it is a volunteer effort and we appreciate that. I know you mean well despite any differences we may have had in the discussion. I hope we get to work together sometime soon. Tonymetz💬22:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Bishonen, I know you are busy and I hate to trouble you, but – User:DrKC MD – has been slinging insults/attacks at me and edit warring. I noticed you issued a warning a few days ago, but now the behavior is directed at me. When you find a moment, could you please have a look and at the situation? Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aunva6, you are mistaken, not sure you are looking in the right places which is the article Women in punk rock and associated talk page Talk: Women in punk rock and also their user page. I am more concerned about the insults/attacks than the edit warring, which is simply annoying. In actuality they did make their last edit today by yet again restoring their disputed content on the article, this is the 4th time (along with insults in a couple different venues.) This started a week ago. Netherzone (talk) 17:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do have an opinion about the disagreement, Netherzone, but I won't share it (in order to remain able to "admin" the article in case it's needed). It's a problem that there are only the two of you arguing. You obviously need more eyes on the article. Try Wikipedia:Third opinion, perhaps? As for the personal attacks, DrKC MD is being fairly rude, yes, but I don't think it rises to where I warn them about personal attacks. Better focus on getting the conflict resolved. As for being the fourth revert, as you tell Aunva... no. What counts is how many reverts they've made after you warned them about edit warring. By my count that's only one. All their edits are not reverts, some are merely additions of new sources. Bishonen | tålk17:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hello @Bishonen, hope your doing well. An editor is adding questionable pov-pushing edits here [12], [13], as well as using religious sources with[14],[15] and additions that are looking like those of a troll account[16].
I reverted a few edits and asked him to gain consensus. However, as is typical with such accounts, he left me a message[17] attributing vandalism to me. Currently, he is engaged in an edit war, reverting my changes instead of first seeking consensus on the talk pages, as I advised. Could you please look into this? StarkReport (talk) 07:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two problem editors there. The one being discussed, and also see their edit to this new problem editor [18] "As for you adding contents, please use contents supported by peer reviewed sources. Kawrno Baba (talk) 09:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)". Kawrno Baba thinks Hadith's are reliable sources for fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 10:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the message you left on my talkpage. You could have a taken stronger action and it would have been in your right to do so, but you acted in good faith and gave me the benefit of the doubt, thinking that as it has been years since I left, I must have forgotten, and you were right. I totally forgot. Thank you for that, and my sincere apologies. I used to work on many African related articles and not just Serer, but agree that I spent a huge time on Serer related articles. No disagreement there! There was a reason for that. And please don't assume I'm looking for a pity party, because that's not my character and that's not the point of writing the following. Apologies in advance for the long essay. I'm long winded (lol). I just want you to understand so you see where I was coming from. My tribe are a minority group throughout the Senegambia region. Even worse, my people have been persecuted for centuries because of our religious beliefs and ethnicity. Even today, my tribe is disenfranchised, and viewed as the scorn of society and suffer prejudice. Due to our turbulent history, a huge chunk of our history has been lost because of what our ancestors went through for centuries. Despite what our ancestors went through, including being driven from their lands because of their religious beliefs and ethnicity, genocide, rape, slavery, confescation of their properties, jihads, appropriation of their culture, etc., our ancestors still survived and preserved what they could of their identity to pass it down to their descendants so that their descendants never forget where they came from. Whilst the other tribes of Senegambia are more numerous, my tribe is not. Hence why you are more likely to find articles about the Wolof, Fula, Mandinka, etc, than about the Serer. I have been fortunate enough to spend decades studying the history of the Serer, as well as the history of the Senegambia region and its people, and West Africa. And through the years, I have acquired a large number of books on the subject, many of which are now out of print. The history of the Serer people of Senegambia is practically been wiped out of the general history of the Senegambia by some of the dominant groups, and what was historically regarded as part of Serer culture and history is now being taken for themselves. For that very reason, over a year ago, the president of Senegal appointed one of Senegal's historians to write the general history of Senegal, with strong ties to one of the dominant group. When that was published, it was as if the Serer never had a stake in Senegal or the Senegambia region to be exact. The Serer associations of Senegal took a strong stance against it. Historical figures, terms, etc., that you can only decipher by referring to Serer (the original source), and not any other language, etc., made historians to question the credibility of the book. The author had to concede and agreed to re-work the book. This is what my people have been going through for years. Now, our persecution and disenfranchisement is more sublte than direct like what our ancestors faced. Our ancestors used to assign Serer names and meanings to things they created so that, only those who know the language and the symbolisms can decispher them. That was to help their descendants never forget who they are and where they came from. Due to the materials I've accumulated over the years, which is a priviledge, as many from my tribe do not have access to those materials, I thought it useful to document my people's history on Wikipedia which is free and the most used for finding out things. Maybe someone else might have later created or edited a particular article about the Serer, maybe they might not. I don't know. However, I felt it would be very selfish of me, to sit on a huge collection of materials without sharing it with the world, especially knowing that some of my people will not have access to those materials. In my passion and attempt to put the history of my people on Wiki's pages of history, I offended many people and Wiki policy, and for that, I sincerely apologise, because that was never ever my intent. Respectfully, I was not even planning of coming back to Wiki due to work and family life, but had another grandson earlier this year. When I looked at his little face, I remember how lucky he is and what his ancestors went through to make sure he is here. I could have simply passed on my collection to his father to make sure he gets it and know where he came from, but what about the other Serer babies who might not have access to it? What about the other generation? What about others who might not even be Serer but simply wants to learn? These are the reasons I decided to come back, in order to help the project in the area I know more about, and do whatever I can to the best of my ability to advance this great project for the next generation of Wiki editors. I do not doubt that I might make mistakes. We are all humans and we all make mistakes. The best thing we can do is to learn from those mistakes, and improve, because life is about learning, and learning never stops. After serving this project for over a decade, I think I have learnt a lot, moreso, in the last 5 years which has given me opportunity to reflect and be the best I could possibly be. Thank you for taking the time to read this long essay, but just to thank you and to give you some perspective. Have a great weekend.Tamsier (talk) 18:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tamsier, I feel I'm not getting through, but I'll try one more time. This will be your last chance of not being blocked. You are topic banned from all edits related to the Serer people. That applies on all Wikipedia pages. This page, my talkpage, is a Wikipedia page. Writing a long text here about the importance of Serer history is a violation of your topic ban. Will you do something for me? Please read WP:TBAN to see the official definition of what a topic ban is and what it means. It's only short. Bishonen | tålk19:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Hello Bishonen, if you're not too busy, do you think I could trouble you to look at this weird vandalism ring I found? The edits primarily concern the IP 170.55.41.66 and are mostly targeted at the articles Daniel Coronell, schools and institutions in the South Florida area and various sportspeople. Basically this IP has been adding hoaxes and changing random information. They have added non-existent awards to Daniel Coronellinthis edit and the several edits following it, as well as this edit, and several edits in the past few weeks, which you could check the page history if you want to see those. They added information about a non-existent town to Chazz Woodsoninthis edit and linked a Google Sites about the made-up town. They've also added the names of people who appear to be students of Ransom Everglades School to various articles, such as here, here, here, here, and here. They've also committed random vandalism like this, this, this, this, this, this, whatever this is, this, this, this fiasco, this, and this. This account, Koolio Kat, also seems to have partaken. There's probably more but this is the obvious stuff. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it appears that their most recent three edits violated the final warning given by Muboshgu on their talk page. Sorry if it's a lot but I've had my eye on them for about a couple months now. If I had to guess I'd say it's probably a bored Miami-area teenager who thinks that Wikipedia is their playground. Not sure though. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 03:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse. Yes, it's formally an unexplained content removal, but I'm not sure the text they removed should have been there in the first place. People ought to use edit summaries, yes, but I wouldn't call that vandalism. Bishonen | tålk12:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]
@Ratnahastin: Scholars and historians have mentioned Graharipu as Yadava and Abhira[1][2][3][4][5][6] but you people have problem only with Abhira word. It is clearly visible from your editing that you promote casteism. I don't know why you people feel that the present Ahirs are the ancient Abhiras. Hcsrctu (talk) 03:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The version you were trying to restore had been rejected by @Utcursch:[19] in past, inspite of this you participated in a slow edit war to restore your preferred version multiple times [20][21]. You have been notified about active sanctions in this topic area,I would suggest you to be more careful on how you conduct yourself.Ratnahastin (talk)02:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bishonen: You look at the Graharipu article where it is showing that The Chudasamas began to rule in Sourashtra from the second half of the 10th century A.D but the sources mention Abhiras not Chudasamas. And there it is also showing that Hemachandra in the Dvyashraya-Kavya describe Graharipu as a Yadava. But the Source mentions Graharipu as an Abhira and a Yadava. Hcsrctu (talk) 09:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
^Enthoven, Reginald Edward (1990). The Tribes and Castes of Bombay. Asian Educational Services. p. 25. ISBN978-81-206-0630-2.
^K. V. Soundara Rajan (1985). Junagadh. Archaeological Survey of India. The Chudasama dynasty, originally of Abhira clan [...] An illustrious ruler of this clan in the 10th cent. was Graharipu or Grahario I
^Sen, Sailendra Nath (1999). Ancient Indian History and Civilization. New Age International. p. 324. ISBN978-81-224-1198-0. After consolidating his position, he turned against Graharipu, the Abhira chief of Saurashtra and his ally Laksha or Lakha, the ruler of Cutch
^Sailendra Nath Sen (1 January 1999). Ancient Indian History and Civilization. New Age International. p. 344. ISBN978-81-224-1198-0. Retrieved 3 January 2011. The Abhiras began to rule in Southern and western Sourashtra from the second half of the 10th century A.D their capital was vamanshtali, modern vanthali nine miles west of Junagadh. They became very powerful during the reign of Graharipu who defeated the Saindhavas and the Chaulukyas.
^Majumdar, Ramesh Chandra (1964). Ancient India. Motilal Banarsidass. p. 303. The Abhiras grew very powerful during the reign of Graharipu in the middle of the 10th century A.D. He had his capital at Vāmanasthali, now represented by Abhiras the village Vanthali, 9 miles west of Junagadh.
Hi Bishonen, hope everything is fine! Please have a look at this POV-pusher Rahul pal jadoun's edit here! Since they couldn't remove sourced content, they are abusing and using unacceptable language; 'chutiye' in Hindi means 'fu**er'! Would request you to warn/take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 15:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bsherr, insofar as they were ever needed, they certainly aren't now. I find the discussion in my archive that you link to rather heavy going; I can only hope that deleting those cats won't lead to them appearing in red on my pages, making me again a mark for complaints. Johnuniq, you took care of it, right? Do you think deleting them will have any deleterious (ha!) effects? Bishonen | tålk21:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Very good. I have tagged them for speedy deletion with an edit summary linking to this section. (I have also removed the empty category templates, since I think it is actually inapplicable to these categories.) Thank you. --Bsherr (talk) 16:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Bishonen.. would request you to check the revision history of Varna (Hinduism). An apparently new user Parsikan is edit warring in spite of all possible warnings on their talk page! Moreover, you may have a look at this edit summary, where the user has also engaged in personal attack labelling me as a 'caste propagator'! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 12:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it is a most felicitous and happy day. What a jubilee for you to celebrate, so many long years of service to this esteemed project, I think a Wikipedian Damehood is called for, then you’ll be almost (but not quite) as elevated as me. I doubt I was old enough, or even born, at the time of your elevation to vote, but you continue to amaze those of us not even half your age. Now do take care and don’t overtax yourself (although, I doubt anyone is more over taxed than me, it’s blatant robbery, I blame that Mrs Truss and that dreadful Trump man). I’ll post you a nice blanket and some vitamin pills to ensure your continued dedication to this fine project. Avec beaucoup d'amour comme toujours as we say on Monte Carlo were I’m exiled to live in near penury. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 21:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, please block me for six months. I'll probably have cheered up a bit by then. If you want to wait 24 hours that's fine. Tewdar 21:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only see a few edits from February 2021 revdel'd because they were purely disruptive, and one from April 2020. No revision deletion has been undone (if that was what you meant); if such an action had been performed, it would have shown up here. Why do you care after all this time? Bishonen | tålk22:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
I wanted to better understand Wikipedia's rules/polices, given what I remembered.
Hi Bishonen, I saw the recent developments surrounding Festivalfalcon and while the connection between Alvin and him is obvious, I think his connection to HaughtonBrit is being neglected. Further, if you take into account RangersRus's actions and case, it's pretty clear that all 3 accounts are being used by the sockmaster to vote stack in AFDs, suppress articles in which their religious side was defeated/promote articles which valourize their religion. The evidence for Festivalfalcon's connection to HB can be seen here-[23]
I don't think an obvious sock of an extremely deleterious sockmaster should be given any consideration whatsoever. In fact, I think all his blocked sock accounts should have their TPAs revoked for repeated attempts to deceive. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 10:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bishonen, the comment by RR further bolsters my case that all 3 accounts are working in tandem to achieve the aforementioned goals laid out above. All 3 accounts have made obvious attempts to hinder my edits, all 3 accounts have clearly been shown to be following me around, all 3 accounts have sabatoged my AFDs (with significant overlap between RangersRus and Festivalfalcon) and voted in the same AFDs to promote their religion's military achievements/surpress articles in which they were defeated-[26].
It's strange that RangersRus decides to come here, in what strongly resembles the emotional, impulsive reaction of Festivalfalcon here-[27]. It's a very common theme with HB, he can't help but to make it obvious that he's socking. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also bizarre how he put the "talk page stalker" notification, despite this being the first interaction he's had with you-[28]. It strongly suggests that he was trying to preemptively downplay his obvious following by suggesting that he's been tracking your t/p for a while. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"talk page stalker" is "considered polite to announce one's intention to stalk another's talk page, perhaps through some creative means, or an amiably worded self-invitation to the talk page's owner using as many weasel words as you can manage." RangersRus (talk) 13:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) x 3. Please take a look at Southasianhistorian8's top post if you have time, Abecedare. But imo, Southasianhistorian8, it's not about giving the sock/meat accounts of a notoriously deleterious sockmaster, as you say, as harsh sanctions as possible so as to express our indignation against them. In practical terms, that doesn't do much, since it's fatally easy to simply create more socks. It's about trying to flush them out, or even re-educate them (said she with manic optimism). And frankly, I don't think my offer of an alternative sanction to Festivalfalcon is much of a "consideration"; if they accept it (a big if), it's at least conceivable that they'll understand they can be here provided they edit more constructively. And it can't do any harm, that I can see. (Possibly not much good either, but we try.) RangersRus, reading the SPI and its archives, I notice several Checkusers opining that it's too hard to evaluate technical evidence in these cases, and they will have to be evaluated on behavioral evidence. Therefore, I'm quite unimpressed by your statement that Checkusers "found no connection" (=they found no technical connection, iow they found no connections as checkusers). As for you being a "talkpage stalker" of my page, that's surprising. How come? Bishonen | tålk13:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Yeah, I understand, but retaining the sock block for Festivalfalcon would allow for future cases for more notorious, integrated sock accounts which are creating disruption but have a long, convoluted edit history, to go more smooth as it would establish precedence and editing/voting overlap. It also kinda sends a message that sock accounts can stay on Wikipedia as long as they edit "constructively" (but with this particular sockmaster, they'll exploit any opportunity they get to ensure their religion comes out on top no matter what, they're fanatically and exclusively devoted to that cause, whether it be through "legitimate" means, though it's almost always through illegitimate means) whereas my stance is that sockpuppets should be blocked regardless, especially since it'll allow the sockmaster to hide his vast list of indiscretions and indef blocks.
Basically, the account being unblocked would hinder what is an obvious sock puppet from being invoked in any future or other sockpuppetry cases, which are usually conducted by establishing similarities between a suspected account and blocked/confirmed socks. I'm also concerned that if Festivalfalcon were to somehow appeal his topic ban, we'd be back at square one, having to deal with his relentless tendentious edits, and it would have to be escalated again with admin involvement.
And yes, HaughtonBrit has a very, very long history of evading CU blocks, CUs not only found no evidence of MehmoodS block evading despite the fact that he himself admitted that he was doing so for 7 months straight and operating a sock account behind the scenes, Finmas and Dazzem, two other sock accounts were deemed "Unrelated", "Inconclusive" and "Possible" by CUs despite being very obvious socks (they were block evading through proxies, as was his other sock, Dekhoaaydon according to Ponyo). During the summer last year, they were hounding me non stop with logged out editing; Abecedare blocked multiple IPs and ranges and HB would come back the very next day as if nothing happened. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bish, as you probably know CU is difficult for this part of the world and pretty much everything is just Inconclusive or Possible. The only thing we can really go on is behavioral evidence, and in this case it's long, complex and frankly gives me a headache (Southasianhistorian8's gish gallop-like evidence doesn't help). At the first SPI for RangersRus I noticed some key differences in their writing style, grammar, edit summaries, and topic areas which I won't go into for WP:BEANS reasons, but they were behaviors I hadn't observed in the confirmed socks. I also noticed some similarities; they could just be the result of speaking Indian English and being interested in India-related topics or they could be more. The evidence seemed too much like reasonable coincidence, so I closed it that way. I said the same on SAH8's second bite at the apple on my talkpage, and the third when I was taken to ANI over it. Since then I've tried to stay out of it, but it seems like nobody else is eager to dive in either.
If you could take a look at the new evidence and give a second opinion, I'd owe you one. I haven't checked it all out, but one thing that caught my eye is that RangersRus was created one hour after suspected HB sock Gubara90 was indeffed. That information wasn't given at the first SPI (and there was no other SPI logged for Gibara90); it could change things if the rest of the new evidence shakes out. Either way, it would be great to not keep getting pinged every few weeks for another round of this. The WordsmithTalk to me21:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, The Wordsmith. Unfortunately I'm far from well-informed concerning this complicated sockdrawer; there's probably plenty of evidence I haven't read. My involvement so far has merely been to "take over" Abecedare's indefinite block of Festivalfalcon873 as a meatpuppet, per Abe's block rationale here, after Abe realized he might be considered involved. I'm sorry, this is spread over so many pages: where is this new evidence of which you speak (new since when?)? Is it evidence against RangersRus that you're particularly interested in? Bishonen | tålk19:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
RangersRus is the one that keeps popping up in discussions by Southasianhistorian8, so that's really the only outstanding thing I'd appreciate a second opinion on. There's so much "evidence" spread out everywhere, but specifically what I'm concerned with is at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HaughtonBrit#10 May 2024 in the collapsed section for RangersRus. It looks like a reasonably concise presentation of all the evidence I originally reviewed in March 2024 and some new things I haven't, so if there is enough to justify a block it'll be there. And if there isn't enough, I'd hope that's the final word on the issue. The WordsmithTalk to me21:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Wordsmith, I took a look at the SPI section you indicate, and here are my thoughts.
Gubara is a blocked sock of HB. One hour after Gubara was blocked by Discospinster, RR created their account. Somewhat suggestive, yes, but nothing much.
HB's IP 24.154.112.204 was blocked for a month on 3 June 2023 by Abecedare for block evasion, with a reference to the SPI. When they returned, they inflated figures for Sikhism in the United States and RR went on to add more after just a few hours. I don't see that that matters.
Southasianhistorian8 gives examples of edits aggrandizing the Sikh side and being particulary against the Marathas by MehmoodS and Javerine and IPs. Then one example (a good one) of RR doing the same at Special:Diff/1173320549.
SAH has examples of RR voting in AFDs to delete articles about victories by Marathas and defeats of Sikhs and to keep articles about Sikh victories. Then SAH also admits that RR makes "65-70 votes in a span of two months ... The obvious conclusion to draw from that is that he knew he messed up and the numerous votes help to disguise himself; making DUCK-like AFD votes more legitimate at face value." SAH's point is that the duckish AFD votes were made first, and then the 65-70 unrelated votes were made to mask the significance of the duckish ones. Possibly, but it seems pretty tenuous to me. I'm disinclined to accept this argument as evidence.
TLDR: Obviously RR is a Sikh promoter like HB and his socks. No doubt about that. But there are surely independent Sikh promoters knocking about Wikipedia. The million-dollar question here is whether the other similarity, that of having a particular beef with Marathas, is significant. I'm not sure it is. RR is a tendentious editor, but I don't believe we can say, from the evidence by SAH that I've reviewed, that they're a sock. Bishonen | tålk12:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
@Bishonen, @The Wordsmith, I think one critical area of the SPI is being neglected and that is RR's hounding and undeniable parallel AFD campaign which only began as a reaction to my first AFD nom of the year (detailed in the first 3 AFD votes part + 1000 edits, 5 months part). There's only one user who throughout the entirety of my Wikipedia experience that has been hounding me- starting with MehmoodS and I (there's far too many content disputes we had but it was well into the hundreds), then Rivanawam, Elifanta23, Supmanager, Finmas, his proxy trying to get me banned as a SPA, *2, *3, *4, trying to get me in trouble by stalking a disagreement on my t/p, comparing me to a convicted criminal, the hundreds of logged out edits trying to inhibit my work last year, the whole Alvin1783 and Festivalfalcon accounts trying to ruin my PRODs; these diffs are the very tip of the iceberg, probably just 1/1000th of the actual situation, and don't really get across just how intense and overwhelming the hounding is. When you take that + all the other things into context, his very obvious parallel AFD campaign that started as a reaction to me, the consistent sabotaging of my AFDs, the other following examples in the AFD, and his POV pushing, I think it's a open and shut case. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's just no way the Gubara90 connection, the same mass movie edits, the close proximity editing to HB's blocked IPs, the timing and POV of his first 3 AFD votes one of which had 4 of his IP votes, his mass AFD votes beginning right after my nom, the constant sabotage of my AFDs, same promotion of articles which valorize Sikhs/suppression of articles which mention their defeat + vice versa for Afghans/Marathas, obvious following, including following me to his SPI-[29], [30], [31], his votes in tadem with Festivalfalcon and Alvin1783, and the fact that HB and RR have the exact same writing style can all be chalked up to coincidence! Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The overwhelming trend for RR is to valourize the Sikh side and vitiate the Marathas/Afghans, a consistent and idiosyncratic (in regards to the Marathas, as I've not seen any other "Sikh promoter" engage in such in the past 3 years) pattern for HB's socks. The few opposite votes (most of them are in May of this year, around the same time I started working on the RR SPI case on my user page-[32] ) are an obvious attempt to create some plausible deniability, as are the mass edits to movie topics which HB socks (HB + Gubara90) employed as well.
A sock account is obviously going to try tactics which help demarcate themselves from the master, it's not like every sock is going to announce that they're a sock. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 15:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bishonen: Thank you, that roughly matches my assessment but I owe you one for giving a second opinion. RR could be a HB sock, but the more likely explanation is just someone with a similar POV. The Gubara90 connection was the strongest piece of evidence so far. @Southasianhistorian8: It seems like you've gotten to a point where any similarities are evidence of sockpuppetry, but any differences are evidence of covering up sockpuppetry. I strongly suggest you leave RR alone and move on, several admins now have concluded the evidence is not strong enough to justify a sockpuppetry block. Between the multiple reports and contacting multiple admins on their talkpages, we're approaching WP:HOUNDING territory if not already there. The WordsmithTalk to me16:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Wordsmith, well there's nothing more I can do, somehow a user created 1 hour after an indeffed sock with the same POV of said sockmaster running an obvious parallel AFD campaign against my noms, also consistent with sockmaster doing such things for years on end, wasn't convincing enough. I tried my very, very best, but now it's to move forward. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 16:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bishonen.. hope you are doing well. Would request you to please check the revision history of the article on Dhadhor and the warnings on the user talk page, User talk:Praveenkaveer24! The user is engaged in persistent vandalism (caste related POV) and edit warring in spite of all possible warnings! Would like to request you to take appropriate action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 09:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sheesh, that's gotta be one of the worst articles I have seen on wikipedia. The lead plagiarizes from one one 1845 work by an East India Company administrator who in turn simply regurgitates the opinion from an 1825 work by a British soldier and adventurer (naturally that simple plagiarism has 8 "supporting" references appended to it). And neither the writing nor the sourcing of the article improve from thereon. See also comments comments by Sitush and WikiDan61 on the talkpage
What a cute little article it is now, Abecedare. I've semi'd for two years, in consideration of the editing that has already taken place. But you realise that the stub template encourages rebuilding? "You can help Wikipedia by expanding it". No, I don't think you can. Bishonen | tålk13:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Thank you so much, Bishonen. Great to see you back, Abecedare; indeed it was a poor article to say the least, thanks for reverting it to the version by Sitush! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 17:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'm reaching out to you because you blocked rollinginhisgrave a few years back for "persistent edit warring supported by wikilawyering on the talkpage". It appears that the disruptive editing is back. I try to assume good faith, but this editor is making dozens of edits to the page every day that I feel are disruptive and is at the same time advocating at AFD for the article to be deleted. It seems like this editor is trying to demonstrate why the article should be deleted by providing dozens of examples of why the article is problematic. Again, I try to assume good faith and accusing someone of disruptive editing may run afoul of that, but I feel like I'm drinking from a firehose to preserve the article's integrity in the face of a deluge of edits.
Hi, Mr. Swordfish. I'm unsure about this. Both Rollinginhisgrave and you yourself clearly feel very strongly about the article, but I don't see either of you as editing in bad faith. Then again, there is just so much editing by Rolling that checking all of it is too much for any one admin, so ANI may be your best bet. (Though I'm afraid it might be too much for the ANI regulars also.) In my sampling of their edits, I did notice what I thought a few pedantries, such as tagging the statement that Santa was already fat and clad in red "by the late 19th century" with citation needed, even though just a little good faith can get it from the Snopes reference. Bishonen | tålk18:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks for looking into this. For the last several weeks I have been treating their edits in good faith and trying to engage to improve the article. But when I saw that they were advocating for deletion of the article I began to question whether these edits were being made in good faith when the very same material added by this editor is used to support the deletion. The argument is basically "the inclusion criteria is too loose and allows too many entries - just look at all the entries I have just made to prove my point." Why would someone take the time to make literally hundreds of additional entries when they want the article to be deleted? I can't think of a good faith reason.
Do you think this is a good candidate for ANI or should I just let the AfD discussion play out? If this editor is successful at deleting the article via arguments on AfD and tendentious editing there's not much else to discuss. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 20:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Bishonen.. I believe you are fine and must be doing great! Would request you to have a look at the user talk page of King of karkota! The user is here to promote Kayastha caste and has been violating all forms of warnings including DS alert & level 4 warning. The user is also trying to add caste related POV using misleading edit summaries! Please help! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]