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1 Deletion review for Moroccanoil  
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2 Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment  
1 comment  




3 Enforcement of community ANI-based ban at ITN  
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4 Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C  
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5 Question  
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6 TheSagar  
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7 Shravan Tiwari  
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8 Sent you a mail again  
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9 Private evidence blocks  
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10 Çankaya Mansion  
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11 Got Milked  
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12 A cup of tea for you!  
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13 Peranakans  
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14 Request to receive response for my claims in the discussion although I am not "qualified"  
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15 redirect of the page: String Quartet No. 4 (Ichmouratov)  
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16 TPA removal and rev/del request  
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17 Re: Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions: Heart Throb  
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18 Progressive Zionism  
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19 Rev Del Request  
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21 May 2024 NPP backlog drive  Points award  
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23 Socking IP (belonging to Bensebgli)  
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24 Suspicious IP address accounts  
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25 User:Benicaverra  
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26 So I was chatting with Barkeep49...  
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== Deletion review for [[:Moroccanoil]] ==

== Question ==

An editor has asked for [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#Moroccanoil|'''a deletion review''']] of [[:Moroccanoil]]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.<!-- Template:DRV notice --> [[User:Kapitan110295|Kapitan110295]] ([[User talk:Kapitan110295|talk]]) 04:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)



Hello! Could you please check [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Swalors|this request of mine at WP:AN]]? Thank you! Best regards, [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|WikiEditor1234567123]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|talk]]) 05:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:I haven't done a deletion review before, I hope I'm doing this properly :) [[User:Kapitan110295|Kapitan110295]] ([[User talk:Kapitan110295|talk]]) 04:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

::{{u|Kapitan110295}}, as the people who have responded to the discussion have already pointed out, DRV is appropriate if there was an issue with the prior deletion discussion/closure itself. In this case, the situation is that you are asserting that there is now a notable topic by this name, unrelated to the discussion at RfD 3 years ago, so you would have been better off skipping DRV and just drafting a new article since there’s nothing for DRV to evaluate. You can still do that by withdrawing the current discussion (if you’re not sure how to do that, just leave a comment saying that you want to withdraw and someone will do the rest) and then proceeding to start working on the article. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 13:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)



== Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment ==

:Hello @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]]! It seems that a bot archived the request. What should I do, if the request didn't get any attention despite clear evidence of edit warring and got archived? [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|WikiEditor1234567123]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|talk]]) 14:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

::{{u|WikiEditor1234567123}} If it didn't get any attention before archiving it's fine to unarchive. But, in this case, you also posted it in the less-than-optimal forum--AN is more for backlog notices and other admin chatter, [[WP:ANI]] is the official board for reporting problematic behavior (and as this involves Chechen topics, [[WP:AE]] is also an option as that falls under [[WP:ARBEE]], broadly construed). So at this point I would just make a post at AE or ANI, noting that it had previously been posted at AN. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:::Oops, I completely forgot that WP:ANI is the one where I should make that type of reports... Thanks for noting that! [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|WikiEditor1234567123]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|talk]]) 16:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

::::Okay, the same request at WP:ANI received no attention and was archived despite clear evidence. What should I do now? Best regards, [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|WikiEditor1234567123]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|talk]]) 22:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::If no one replied to the report, you're justified in just unarchiving it and asking for admin attention. Alternatively, AE may provide a quicker response. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 22:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

::::::Hello! The report has been archived for the 4th time and no admin has replied so I was wondering if you could take a look. Best regards, [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|WikiEditor1234567123]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|talk]]) 09:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::::{{Done}}. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 15:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

::::::::Thanks! [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|WikiEditor1234567123]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|talk]]) 16:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::I'm honestly a bit surprised that this last round didn't receive admin attention before me, given that uninvolved editors were very clearcut about what needed to be done. I suppose some people just see that Russian topics are involved and immediately skip past to the next problem. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::Yeah, people don't want to be involved with a dispute related to the topic they're not familiar with. Furthermore, Swalors indicated his intent to do sockpuppetry: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1189263824 "Time to make new accoubt"] which is concerning. [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|WikiEditor1234567123]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|talk]]) 10:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)



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== Battle of Shimbra Kure ==



== Enforcement of community ANI-based ban at ITN ==

Hi Rosguill, there's a user who is removing cited content on this article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Shimbra_Kure&diff=1189305013&oldid=1189304919] even after I had warned them. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMatan_ibn_Uthman&diff=1186631920&oldid=1186626992] [[User:Magherbin|Magherbin]] ([[User talk:Magherbin|talk]]) 15:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)



Hello, I'm coming back into Wikpiedia after a long break to cool down from life in general and Wikipedia to a degree. As I was on my way out of the door I gained an indefinite ban at ITN, enforced by you per the logs. So as a reminder to me, what is required for me to appeal against this, is it simply a thread at ANI or some other request? Thanks in advance. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Been a while, I know......]])</small> 22:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

:He’s peddling false information [[User:Matan ibn Uthman|Matan ibn Uthman]] ([[User talk:Matan ibn Uthman|talk]]) 17:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

::Then it should be very easy for you to make your case to uninvolved editors via [[WP:3O]] or [[WP:RFC]]. Alternatively, if you have obvious evidence that another editor is misrepresenting sources, you can open a thread at [[WP:ANI]]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:50, 11 December 2023 (UTC)



:{{u|The Rambling Man}}, community bans should be appealed at [[WP:AN]] by opening a thread. I'd maybe recommend taking a few months of on-wiki editing before rushing to appeal though, I would expect that to greatly increase chances of succeeding. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 03:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Parish]] ==



::Yes of course. Thanks for your response. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Been a while, I know......]])</small> 11:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi!



== Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C ==

I noticed that you had closed this discussion as "no consensus" and left the page live. [[WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE]] notes that, in AfDs on entries about relatively unknown non-public figures, the closing admin ''may'' be closed as delete if the article subject would prefer the article be deleted. I understand that this language leaves it open to admin discretion, and requires so I'm left to inquire:



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#Was it your reading of the situation that this individual is not a relatively unknown, non-public figure? If so, my questions would end there, since BLPREQUESTDELETE would not plausibly apply. However, if not,

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#Would you be willing to expand upon your thought process around how you exercised discretion in keeping this in the no consensus outcome rather than deleting this?



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:{{u|Red-tailed hawk}}, to be honest my initial reading was that there is no consensus on the very question of whether Parish is sufficiently non-public. While I still think this is an accurate description of the extent to which participants disagreed, on reviewing [[Wikipedia:Who is a low-profile individual]] I'm now inclined to believe that editors arguing that Parish is low-profile are on shaky evidentiary ground, and would consider discounting their opinions somewhat in reevaluating consensus. Now, [[Wikipedia:Who is a low-profile individual]] is a supplementary essay so I don't think it's appropriate to a priori discount !votes that are contrary to it, but I think its advice is sound (in particular {{tq|high-profile:... Need not be a "household name", simply self-promotional.}}) and suggests that Parish is not low profile due to his self-publication in relation to his legal notoriety.

:I'm further disinclined to cite BLPREQUESTDELETE and delete because of the way in which the AfD came to discussion. This came to AfD because of a legal threat raised at a noticeboard, which led to editors investigating and questioning its notability. While it's valid to question the notability, the underlying request from the subject is a demand for censorship backed with a legal threat. And yes, [[WP:DOLT]], but this was hardly overlooked: there was an entire AfD about it, in addition to the noticeboard discussion. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 20:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hello Rosguill, there's a user showing up in other articles I edit after a dispute I had with them on one article namely [[Imamate of Aussa]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imamate_of_Aussa&diff=1178518362&oldid=1178394454]. They've since been undoing my edits on other articles [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aw_%28father%29&diff=1178396144&oldid=1178013674] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garad&diff=1178397088&oldid=1178136271]. I notified the user about the policy of hounding a couple months ago [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAurelius5150&diff=1178518087&oldid=1178517959]. The user had also been blocked for similar violations of ‎Matan ibn Uthman which was not following BRD and simply resuming edit warring [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imamate_of_Aussa&diff=1183588196&oldid=1183588063]. The second edit since their block has been lifted is entering a content dispute im involved in. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABattle_of_Shimbra_Kure&diff=1190648176&oldid=1189219888] [[User:Magherbin|Magherbin]] ([[User talk:Magherbin|talk]]) 18:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)



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:I think that their edits in October do look like hounding, but their recent activity doesn't quite follow the same pattern, and they were blocked for an edit war at [[Imamate of Aussa]] in November, so I'm not sure there's any further action that would be appropriate at the moment. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 21:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)



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Hi Rosguill, hope you're doing well. I was thinking about make a section about this topic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_205#User%3AAtakhanli%2C_a_sysops_from_Az.Wikipedia]. Where do you think it will be most appropriate, [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:ANI]]? I feel like the latter doesn't pay much attention to these kind of issues, but I'm not sure. [[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) 18:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

== Page created by mistake ==



:{{u|HistoryofIran}} Presuming that your intent is to investigate the other suspected sockpuppets/collaborators, I think ANI is most appropriate. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Could you please delete pg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojira_vvv, created by mistake.

==TheSagar==

Tks [[User:Caiaffa|Caiaffa]] ([[User talk:Caiaffa|talk]]) 21:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

A redirect [[2024–25 SA20]] that [[:User:Thesagar75]] had created twice, and whom you had blocked in Jan, has been recreated by [[:User:Sagar Singh 9]], account created in March.<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 20:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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:Blocked as obvious sock, noting that they'd already been pinged for various disruptive edits as well. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 15:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Shravan Tiwari ==

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Hi Rosguill. [[:Shravan Tiwari]] has been moved back to the mainspace. I noticed in the page history that you draftified it in January citing UPE/block evasion concerns; so, I'm just letting you know as a couresy. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 06:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

== Happy Christmas ==



:{{u|Marchjuly}}, this ended up being quite the rabbit hole, see [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Maheshworld]]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 15:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

{{User:Joseywales1961/Holidays 2023}}

::Thank you for looking into this. I didn't realize things were that messy. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 21:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)



== "hyperbolic demand" ==

== Sent you a mail again ==



Really hoping you have the time right now. Only the private evidence is private. So, we can talk about the rest of it on wiki. Have you considered becoming a CU? If anyone needs it, that's you. Best,<span id="Usedtobecool:1715346935105:User_talkFTTCLNRosguill" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;'''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 13:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</span>

Really? As you know, it's standard to propose remedies on AN. Not a demand. That wording is hurtful. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 22:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

:Get well soon, Rosguill. Sorry to have put you in the position. I default to you cos of the NPP connection. Best,<span id="Usedtobecool:1715365339417:User_talkFTTCLNRosguill" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;'''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 18:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</span>

::All good {{u|Usedtobecool}}, it was an honest mistake on both our parts and I don't think anyone's planning on throwing the book at us yet (just y'know, opening the book and pointing to a page). <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]] {{+1}} I was thinking the same for a while now that Rosguill would become a good CU. Since SPI has a backlog now and needs a few helping hands, I think this will be the right time to apply if they feel it is interesting. Regards! [[User:Maliner|Maliner]] ([[User talk:Maliner|talk]]) 17:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)



== Private evidence blocks ==

:Demanding a warning in response to {{tq|Any reasonable third party would consider your reverts as irresponsible and borderline harassment of a new editor.}} halfway down a rabbit hole thread in an AN report is silly. The quoted text doesn't particularly help DMH43's case, but it is Kafkaesque to demand a sanction in response to it. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 23:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

::It was not a demand but a proposal for a warning. Really, you think that's ok to call it a demand? I thought better of you. This whole event has been extremely eye-opening. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 23:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

:::Demand, proposal, I don't think that makes a major difference in this context. You're hounding a new editor, that's the issue. Mild hounding, before you take issue to that wording as well. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 23:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

::::It makes a huge difference, I'm very offended and upset by your comment, coming from a long-time admin, and it's quite beyond the pale to double down on it. I object strenuously that I am hounding that editor. All I did was propose that he be warned for incivility and for gaming the system. That is within a reasonable range of what can be said on an AN thread, which I remind you, that editor himself started as an appeal. I find your comments extremely troubling. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 23:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::The intent was not to hurt you, but it should serve as an attitude readjustment. In the absence of actual diffs that demonstrate NOTHERE behavior, a new editor's sanction appeal is not the appropriate time to nitpick their tone (barring you know, actual slurs and over the top ad hominem). <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 23:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

::::::[[WP:NOTHERE]] is already shown in the diffs and SFR's original action, which talks extensively about gaming the system, battleground behaviors and so on. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 23:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::A little AGF would go a long way here. Keep in mind, they're a new editor who has stepped feet first into historical Byzantium which is currently at war with dozens of sockpuppeteers. Without the context of why this is being treated as such a big deal I'm sure it looks much different. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 23:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

::::::I am AGF; did I accuse the user of being a sockpuppet or a POVwarrior? I asked the user to read gaming the system and RGW. Instead they are doubling and tripling down on their problematic behavior and showing lack of clue or understanding why it's an issue. They also accused Dovidroth of harassment - which is incivil, inappropriate, and unsupported here. Other users are piling on saying that Dovidroth should be sanctioned which is absolutely ridiculous and problematic. I stand by my comments, and I continue to be extremely troubled by Rosguill putting their finger on the scale in a way that is deeply hurtful and inappropriate, and which they have shown no self-reflection towards. It is not appropriate whatsoever to characterize my comments as a hyperbolic demand or to attempt to turn this around to sanction me or Dovidroth. Quite inappropriate indeed. As I said, this whole event, the Byzantium as SFR says, has really opened my eyes on a lot of things and not in a good way at all. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 23:32, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

==Topic ban removal==



Hi, per [[WP:BLOCKEVIDENCE]], related to [[Special:Diff/1206604402]] and [[Special:Diff/1223193298]], please make sure you are reporting UPE and other private evidence blocks so that they can actually be reviewed. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 16:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I had appealed the topic ban which you had imposed more than two years ago.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ratnahastin&diff=prev&oldid=1029733961] The appeal is yet to be formally closed.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Closure_requests#Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive357#Topic_ban_appeal_2] I hope you will help me out here. Thanks! <span style="font-family:'Forte';">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#d93634;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</span> 04:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

:In fact, administrators who are not Checkusers or Oversighters should not make private evidence blocks at all, per [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Confidential evidence]], which states {{tqq|The community has rejected the idea of individual administrators acting on evidence that cannot be peer-reviewed.}}

:Please send cases like this to either a CU, OS, or to ArbCom. I for one am more than happy to take 'private evidence' referrals from admins in my functionary capacity. [[User:Firefly|<span style="color:#850808;">firefly</span>]] <small>( [[User talk:Firefly|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Firefly|c]] )</small> 17:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Primefac}}, {{u|firefly}}, noted! I hadn't been aware of that clause. I will collect the relevant emails and send them along. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

::Might be a good idea to include a reminder in the next Admin Newsletter. [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 17:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

:::It's been in [[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter/2022/10|there before]]. Any sort of reminder might make more sense when the new [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_14#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict_of_interest_management_closed|paid editing queue]] launches (something I hope Rosguill gives serious thought about applying for). [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 18:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

::::I'll look into it when it's time, although my first impulse regarding this (and the encouragement to pursue CU status in the section above) is that for as long as actual new page patrolling makes up a significant portion of my editing, taking on these additional roles might make me more judge-jury-and-executioner than is really appropriate (at least from the vantage point of anyone on the receiving end). <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

::I believe that the only relevant materials I have actually acted on are related to the QuadriSayedSahab case; I have not reviewed anything related to the second diff concerning Annuarif although I believe I did receive an email this morning (I have been sick recently and have thus been applying less than my usual diligence in responding to requests). {{u|Usedtobecool}}, please forward relevant further correspondence to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org and/or firefly per their volunteering here. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

:::It's done. Thanks firefly. I did often wonder if it's functionaries I should be contacting but that wasn't the practice that I learned when I was learning, and missed that RFC as well.<span id="Usedtobecool:1715365232666:User_talkFTTCLNRosguill" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;'''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 18:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</span>

:::For the record, I don't believe any of my previous emails included private evidence. They numbered two or three and were sent for a more frank/comfortable communication and/or for communicating sock tells that I had shared more cryptically onwiki.<span id="Usedtobecool:1715365630110:User_talkFTTCLNRosguill" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;'''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 18:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</span>

::::The QuadriSayedSahab case involved private evidence sent to me by a different editor. Your description of our past off-wiki communication is accurate to my recollection: it's mostly been about calling out patterns of editing between accounts that would amount to spilling the beans if repeated on-wiki but which did not include anything actually private in nature. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)



== [[Çankaya Mansion]] ==

:I don't have time to action the request at the moment, but I've gone ahead and de-archived the discussion and tagged it so that it will not be re-archived before a formal closure. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 15:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)



Is there anyway we can protect this article per WP:GS/AA enforcement action? An IP has been removing referenced information since 3 May. --[[User:Kansas Bear|Kansas Bear]] ([[User talk:Kansas Bear|talk]]) 12:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== Season's greetings ==

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:{{u|Kansas Bear}}, yes, Armenian Genocide-related material is plainly within scope of those restrictions. {{Done}} and logged at [[WP:AELOG]]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

''<span style="color:lightyellow;">'''Hello Rosguill:''' Enjoy the '''[[Christmas and holiday season| <span style="color:yellow;">holiday season</span>]]'''&#32;and '''[[winter solstice|<span style="color:yellow;">winter solstice</span>]]''' if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 20:47, 26 December 2023 (UTC)</span>''

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::Thank you. Stay safe, Rosguill. --[[User:Kansas Bear|Kansas Bear]] ([[User talk:Kansas Bear|talk]]) 15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== Happy New Year! ==

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Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary [[blister]]s.<br><br>[[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 22:18, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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==Happy First Edit Day!==

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== Got Milked ==

== Recent AFD Decline and Autopatrolled removal ==



Hi. Following that user's block from the specified 2 articles, could I ask you to glean through his other ones in the related subject? He has a history of warnings. From what I've seen, his style is inflammatory, and his contributions are large chunks of barely-relevant, poorly sourced and badly written text. [[User:AddMore-III|AddMore-III]] ([[User talk:AddMore-III|talk]]) 23:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, you removed my autopatrolled and declined my AFD request in this edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=Special%3ADiff&diff=1194431866]



:There appears to be a consistent pattern of COATRACK editing, yes, although now that the active disruption has been dealt with, nothing that rises to the level that would make it appropriate for me to deliver a sanction as a bolt out of the blue. If you think that the quality of their edits is of such a consistently poor quality that it has become disruptive in general, you can bring a case to [[WP:AE]], but I doubt such a request will be successful unless/until there are examples of 6+ articles where this has happened or new examples of disruptive editing since the p-block. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 01:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Please in good faith reconsider your position and see it from my POV.



== A cup of tea for you! ==

I recalled a specific day that I wished to apply for NPP again because of my denial for not doing enough AFD's, so after doing some, I applied for it again without the intention to game the system whatsoever. I also continued to do AFD's after it as well.



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What you said about casting multiple delete votes was because of my honest opinion on these votes, including to delete articles that failed common requirements such as [[WP:GNG]].

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | thanks for your contributions! :) [[User:XRozuRozu|xRozuRozu]] ([[User talk:XRozuRozu|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/XRozuRozu|c]]) 04:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I believe the removal of such permissions (specifically autopatrolled), without a warning that something like this was not permissible to do per [[WP:GAME]] may have not been the correct decision, as it says to assume in good faith.


"A warning from an administrator is usually the best way to prevent gaming, because a clear warning should help correct both good-faith mistakes and bad-faith games. If an editor ignores a warning and repeats their behavior, or if they find new creative ways to achieve the same disruption, it is likely that editor is gaming the system in bad faith."


There also seems to be nothing regarding on "gaming the system" for AFD's, especially towards NPP, so I am asking you to reconsider your decision, thanks for reading. [[User:Noorullah21|Noorullah]] ([[User talk:Noorullah21|talk]]) 06:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


:{{u|Noorullah21}}, I understand your frustration, but ultimately I have to consider this from the perspective of protecting the broader Wikipedia project. When it comes to advanced permissions like autopatrol or new page reviewer, it is not enough for me to simply AGF and back off when there is a plausible cause for concern.

:Further, the intent in originally recommending that you participate more in AfD the first time around was that you build up a track record of participation that can be evaluated. Jumping into a half dozen discussions right before requesting the permission doesn't do that: as admins considering permissions applications, we wanted to see you participate over an extended period of time so that we could also see the discussions come to a conclusion, and to see your evaluations of sources in a variety of contexts including when editors make counter-arguments against them. Even setting aside the gameing concerns, quickly leaving several comments the same day that you apply for the permission doesn't do that, and essentially leaves the reviewing admin in the same position as the first time around, with insufficient data to assess your relevant skills.

:Now, again, I can see how this could have all been a good faith misunderstanding, and for that reason I ask that you don't take these decisions personally. With full AGF-goggles on, you simply mistook what we were looking for and thus unintentionally prepared your edits in the wrong way. But given that these are advanced permissions with high potential for abuse, there needs to be a high bar for receiving the permissions. To that end, if you spend the next three months engaging in the kind of thoughtful, slow participation in AfD that we're actually looking for, I think you will likely receive the permission then. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]] I see, I apologize for anything that might've caused confusion and definitely on my part for what happened.

::May I at the very least request my autopatrolled back given that the situation has been relatively cleared up? [[User:Noorullah21|Noorullah]] ([[User talk:Noorullah21|talk]]) 20:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

:::I believe I have proven myself non-abusive in those permissions, and quite contributing per the pages I've created such as [[Khalji Revolution]], [[Durrani Campaign to Khorasan (1754–55)]], etc. [[User:Noorullah21|Noorullah]] ([[User talk:Noorullah21|talk]]) 20:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

::::No, I stand by my decision, for the reasons already explained. It is unfortunately all too easy for someone to make good contributions only long enough to avoid scrutiny. Further, having the permission confers no special advantage to you (unless you're trying to skirt scrutiny), so there's really no reason to request it. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 21:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::Its to cut down on backlog while creating articles. Am I never allowed to request for it again then on [[Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Noorullah21|Noorullah]] ([[User talk:Noorullah21|talk]]) 22:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::While there is no formal sanction against you seeking the reinstatement of permissions, I personally do not recommend seeking it, as that is going to look like [[WP:Hat collecting]]/gaming behavior in itself and it confers no actual benefit to you. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 22:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol|NPP]] Awards for 2023 ==


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== Question2 ==

== Peranakans ==



You don't know about the whole Perakans! As a Malaysian, I still know everything about Peranakan ,you don't know how many ethnicities Peranakan are out there, do you know the difference between Peranakan Chinese Baba Nyonya , Baba Yaya , Kiau Seng ? [[Special:Contributions/2405:3800:84B:1E32:91A6:951B:7279:2F04|2405:3800:84B:1E32:91A6:951B:7279:2F04]] ([[User talk:2405:3800:84B:1E32:91A6:951B:7279:2F04|talk]]) 17:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]]! I'm not sure if you're the right person to ask but did I understand it correctly that under [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution 4.0] I can upload non-free images as long as I attribute the author? Best regards, [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|<b style="font-style:italic;font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman,serif;color:#87b4a7">''WikiEditor''</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|<b style="color:#87b4a7">123…</b>]]</sup> 21:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)



:As a Wikipedian, you need to provide reliable sources to back your claims. Also, on English Wikipedia, you need to write in comprehensible English, which your article-space contributions have thus-far fallen short of. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|WikiEditor1234567123}}, no, CC 4.0 means that you can upload images posted by someone else under CC 4.0 as long as you attribute them. Maybe the following example will clear it up:

:Also, I'd draw your attention to the hatnote already at [[Peranakan Chinese]]: {{tq|This article is about Peranakans with Chinese ancestry. For Peranakans with Indian ancestry, see [[Chitty]]. For Peranakans with Eurasian ancestry, see [[Kristang]]. For Peranakan Muslims of Indian, Malay and Arab descent, see [[Jawi Peranakan]].}} <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

:*If someone publishes their original work Foo '''without invoking CC4.0''', it cannot be reused in any context without their express permission.

:*If someone publishes their original work Foo '''invoking CC4.0''', it can be used in any context as long as you give attribution to the original and do not attempt to impose restrictions on who can then share the original work.

:<sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 22:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)



== Request to receive response for my claims in the discussion although I am not "qualified" ==

==Recent draftifications==

Hi Rosguill, thank you for your work reviewing redirects and articles. I just wanted to point out that the Wikipedia community decided to disallow draftification of old articles (i.e., articles older than 90 days). I'm quoting the guideline [[WP:ATD-I]] {{nq|Older articles—as a rule of thumb, those older than 90 days—should not be draftified without prior consensus at AfD.}} So, could you please revert the moves that are against this consensus and bring them to WP:AfD (so that it is not seen as soft deletions). I've identified some of them that trigerred [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1076 1076 filter (6 months or older)]. There might be more because rule is 3 months or older while filter only captures 6 months or older. You may check your move log please.

* [[Draft:Childhood Yawn]]

* [[Draft:Athar Amin Zargar]]

* [[Draft:Akbar Nasir Khan]]

* [[Draft:Drumeo]]

* [[Draft:Medynsky family]]

Thank you. Have a great day. [[Special:Contributions/2.29.138.75|2.29.138.75]] ([[User talk:2.29.138.75|talk]]) 01:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)



hey, did you had a chance to read the discussion before looking it?

:As the guideline says, that's a rule of thumb. In most of these cases we're talking about articles that made it to the back of the NPP queue without anyone signing off on them, and where there are fairly apparent COI concerns--I stand by my decision to draftify them pending clarification of the editors' COI status. In the case of [[Draft:Athar Amin Zargar]], that was primarily, possibly exclusively, edited by a sockpuppet that engaged in widespread abuse and UPE; draftification there was an anti-UPE measure. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 01:19, 14 January 2024 (UTC)



I would appreciate if I could get an answer to my questions regarding the request for enforcement in that topic, specifically regarding the policy I have quoted regarding re-instating of content in dispute.

== Thanks for your action on [[125 kilometer]] ==



I hope you cold see I am coming with good fait and instead of fighting we could have a fruitful conversation...

An editor prodded [[125 kilometer]], and the prod was removed. I was just about to check for Russian language sources as that was called out by the de-prodder, but I see that you found that 125 kilometer was duplicative. I think the redirect is a good move. [[User:Bruxton|Bruxton]] ([[User talk:Bruxton|talk]]) 18:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

:I still cannot find anything so it was a good move. [[User:Bruxton|Bruxton]] ([[User talk:Bruxton|talk]]) 18:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, in Russian I find stations in Sverdlovsk and Irkutsk that appear equally prominent (i.e.: only in timetables and databases, less than notable) to the Vitebsk station that the article was written about. There also appear to be at least two stations in Ukraine by the same name. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

::It seems like a rather non-descript rail stop. Sigh, so much to do but thanks for all you do. I was working on a Russian reltated article about a [[Hanging Stone]]. And I have to do quite a bit of online translating. [[User:Bruxton|Bruxton]] ([[User talk:Bruxton|talk]]) 18:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)



"Many users believe that unregistered users' sole contributions to Wikipedia are to cause disruption to articles and that they have fewer rights as editors compared with registered users. Studies in 2004 and 2007 found that although most vandalism (80%) is generated by IP editors, over 80% of edits by unregistered users were not vandalism."

== Gepind2024 and others ==



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Welcome_unregistered_editing

I felt filing an SPI would take too long. I came across through these speedy deletion request on Commons: [[:c:File:Gepind P. Requierme.jpg]] and [[:c:File:Gepind Panganiban Requierme.jpg]], uploaded by User:Gepind2024. The files were used at five identical sandboxes of different users: [[User:Samarthvohra/Sample page]], [[User:Fellydino/Sample page]], [[User:Republic of west nelwon/Sample page]], [[User:IFreezeALot/Sample page]] and [[User:Itcpeproject/Sample page]]. ─ [[User:TheAafi|<span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span>]] [[User talk:TheAafi|<span style="color:#80A0FF">(talk)</span>]] 06:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)



Hope that you will address my concern regarding the policy instead of choosing the easy route of calling me disruptive and dismiss my request for rules to be enforced equally :) [[Special:Contributions/109.64.78.25|109.64.78.25]] ([[User talk:109.64.78.25|talk]]) 18:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

:I did it [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gepind2024|here]]. ─ [[User:TheAafi|<span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span>]] [[User talk:TheAafi|<span style="color:#80A0FF">(talk)</span>]] 13:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

::Just seeing this now. In general I think going to SPI is the right move, as even if the behavior is obvious enough for me to block on that basis, a CU will be able to potentially link it to a longer-term sockmaster. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 13:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)



:IPs are not allowed to edit these topics per [[WP:ARBCOM]]'s rulings, which are endorsed by the community. This is a necessary measure to address sockpuppetry and persistent bad faith editing in the topic area. End of discussion. Persistent attempts to challenge this as an IP is itself a violation of the ruling, and will result in a loss of editing privileges if continued. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

== Draft:Sudipto Sen ==



== redirect of the page: String Quartet No. 4 (Ichmouratov) ==

You mentioned that I may have COI with the subject, But I wanna ask how it is possible to have contact with such big director. This isn't first time I facing this issue, tired of giving clarification on COI. How a ordinary guy get in touch with such people. [[User:IVickyChoudhary|iVickyChoudhary]] ([[User talk:IVickyChoudhary|talk]]) 19:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)



Dear Rosguill,

:Your choice of topics and patterns of editing thus far are consistent with that of an [[WP:UPE|undisclosed paid editor]]. You have not adequately justified how you have come to choose the various topics you write about in response to prior COI inquiries. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I just noticed that you redirected the page about [[String Quartet No. 4 (Ichmouratov)|String Quartet No. 4, Op. 35]]. I realize that I probably didn't address the notability concerns properly and later forgot about it. Now, the page is deleted, and I believe this work by this Canadian composer is important and notable for Wikipedia readers, as it has been performed on multiple occasions in several countries, including Europe, Canada, and Australia. I would like to ask if you could restore the deleted page and give me a chance to improve it and prove its notability with reliable sources.

::Damnnn again the same COI thing, if my work seems like Paid editor than can you guide me how to choose topics :) I'll surely follow that. As per my recent discussion with an admin, I come to know about Paid contribution tag, I'll use that if I will do any Paid work or COI thing in future. But all of sudden you take action on this page with the same COI thing, @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]] [[User:IVickyChoudhary|iVickyChoudhary]] ([[User talk:IVickyChoudhary|talk]]) 13:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, [[User:Patrick0506|Patrick0506]] ([[User talk:Patrick0506|talk]]) 13:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

:::In general, I would recommend focusing on subjects that are historical, or which otherwise have no possible promotional motive. Biographies of still-active entertainment industry professionals are the most [[WP:UPE]]-prone topic, and you will raise people's suspicions if that is the focus of your editing (especially if your subjects of choice are not clear-cut cases for notability). <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

::::I'll choose topics of my interest, how can I work on thing I don't have any knowledge? I'll try to focus more on historical subject as of now. But all my work is not fully based on entertainment inudstry, and that guy Sudipto sen is seems notable as He directed many films some of are well known too and also he has few upcoming project. Kindly re look into that page, rest choice is yours as you have more knowledge about Wiki. <3 [[User:IVickyChoudhary|iVickyChoudhary]] ([[User talk:IVickyChoudhary|talk]]) 14:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC)



:{{u|Patrick0506}} Nothing has been deleted, you should be able to access everything in the page's history, here's a link for convenience to the last revision before redirection [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=String_Quartet_No._4_(Ichmouratov)&oldid=1220044286]. I would have merged information to the article about Ichmouratov himself, except that said article was comprehensive enough that it wasn't clear if it would be appropriate. My concerns regarding the No. 4 article is that the cited sources appeared to praise the album that the No.4 appears on, but dedicate virtually no attention to the No.4 piece itself. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Dmytro Kushneruk]] ==

::I understand. Thank you for your input, it's appreciated. I will work on making this page more informative about the composition itself. [[User:Patrick0506|Patrick0506]] ([[User talk:Patrick0506|talk]]) 18:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

::I have one more question. I want to ensure I'm following Wikipedia's rules correctly. After adding more information, if I understood correctly, I cannot remove the "Notability" tag myself since, as the creator of the page, I have a conflict of interest. Should I approach you for this task? Sorry for asking so many questions, this is my first time dealing with this issue, and I want to do everything according to the rules. Thank you in advance for your advice.[[User:Patrick0506|Patrick0506]] ([[User talk:Patrick0506|talk]]) 18:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

:::Eh, it's a gray area to be honest as long as you don't have an actual [[WP:COI]] with the subject itself (i.e. while it's natural for you to be somewhat biased towards the state of the article given that you started it, unless you have an actual external relationship with Ichmouratov or this work it's not a full-blown COI). In this case, since we've already discussed it here and I'm confident you're approaching this in the right spirit, I wouldn't object to you removing it yourself (and if I still think there are serious notability issues even then, I would just progress to opening an [[WP:AfD]] so that the community can weigh in and come to a consensus. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

::::That makes sense. Thank you for the quick response. I will do my best to get it right. All the best. [[User:Patrick0506|Patrick0506]] ([[User talk:Patrick0506|talk]]) 19:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

::::Dear Rosguill, I just wanted to keep you updated in case you would like to check. I have worked on the page over the last few days, adding more information about this composition, including music samples, external audio, and image files. Thank you again for your advice and contributions. it's much appreciated. I feel that I learn something, and I am grateful.

::::Best regards, [[User:Patrick0506|Patrick0506]] ([[User talk:Patrick0506|talk]]) 15:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)



== TPA removal and rev/del request ==

Hello @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]]! You wrote "Ukrainian consul generals in the US are not heads of mission; the head of mission is Ambassador Oksana Markarova" - can you please back up this assertion? Intuitively, a consulate is a mission, and Markarova - being 3 timezones away - isn't its head. Of course, this intuition may be wrong, but we need some evidence or rationale. Thank you [[User:Qq8|Qq8]] ([[User talk:Qq8|talk]]) 16:47, 20 January 2024 (UTC)



Hi Rosguill, see the unblock request at [[User talk:Make Way For The King]]. I have already sent an OS request for their edit summaries at [[Kolkata Knight Riders]]. Pinging @[[User:K6ka|K6ka]] who blocked them for their awareness. [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 19:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Qq8}}, head of mission typically means the head of the entire diplomatic mission, i.e. the top dedicated representative from Country A to Country B. For foreign relations where an ambassador is appointed, that top representative is the ambassador. In situations where there aren't full bilateral relations the top official may be a consul general (e.g. [[Taiwan–United States relations]]), but that is not the case for US-Ukraine, which have full ambassadors appointed bilaterally. It's also worth noting that [[WP:DIPLOMAT]] only has essay status, and thus is not an ironclad argument for keeping an article that otherwise falls short of GNG (although in my experience, ambassadors are routinely kept per that essay without any issue) <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you for explaining, @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]]. I don't know if the Kushneruk article falls short of GNG (it has refs about Kushneruk and his official work). But that's a different issue, ofc. [[User:Qq8|Qq8]] ([[User talk:Qq8|talk]]) 01:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)



:Looks like K6ka already (correctly) removed TPA. I've gone ahead and performed the revdel. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 20:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

== About the Dutch-Indonesians page ==

::Thanks Rosguill. [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 20:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)



== Re: [[Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions: Heart Throb]] ==

Hi, I see you've redirected the page 'Dutch-Indonesians' to Indos. Would you like to explain why? [[User:Sazhetsky123|Sazhetsky123]] ([[User talk:Sazhetsky123|talk]]) 03:53, 21 January 2024 (UTC)



I'm confused. Where is the evidence there was "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Love,_Chunibyo_%26_Other_Delusions:_Heart_Throb&action=history extensive copyvio of the original English episode summaries]" in [[Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions: Heart Throb]]? Now that the history has been deleted, I can't check them for myself to verify your claims. You've also inadvertently left [[List of Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions episodes]] with half of its content now gone without any episode list whatsoever for the 2014 series, which is not exactly helpful.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|<b style="color: black;">十</b>]][[User talk:Juhachi|<b style="color: red;">八</b>]]</span> 20:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:As can be seen from the page's history, the article was created by a [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppet]] evading a block, and their contributions are thus not welcome on Wikipedia. The article further appears to be a [[WP:CFORK]] of the current target, [[Indo people]], so any good-faith recreation of the article would also need to explain why a separate article is warranted. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

::Hi @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]],

::Under good-faith, I'm considering recreating the article under the article creation clause for a proper review. I believe it could be a valuable addition, given its relevance. I would ask permission first before I could go forward. What are your thoughts on this, and do you have any advice or insights?

::Cheers, [[User:Kaliper1|Kaliper1]] ([[User talk:Kaliper1|talk]]) 03:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC) <small>Edits: added @ and "a"</small>

:::{{u|Kaliper1}}, you can go ahead, but my two suggestions would be:

:::*While you may want to use some sources cited in the pre-existing revision, I would recommend starting with new prose written from scratch rather than restoring any of the sock's text.

:::*Before you begin in earnest, make sure that high-quality sources actually make a distinction between Indo people and Dutch-Indonesians; the current framing of the articles suggests that while Indo can technically refer to other European-Indonesian groups, in practice it refers primarily to Dutch-Indonesians. If that framing is accurate with reference to high quality sources and Indo predominantly refers to people of partial Dutch descent, creating a separate article is likely not warranted.

:::<sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 13:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)



:The text came up in a copyvios.toolforge.org report that matched the text to www.themoviedb. org/tv/45501/episodes?credit_id=55525564c3a3683d3b001960&person_id=4c85cb465e73d66b5b00006e&language=es-es (n.b. that website is on Wikipedia's blacklist, hence the non-functional link). My guess is that the summaries were likely the original first-party summaries provided by the publisher of the anime, but that is still under copyright and not material we can include on Wikipedia. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

== Permission ==

::Is it possible for me to see which summaries were potential copyvios? Was it all of them, or just some of them? Seems kind of pointless to discard all of them if only some of them were in violation.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|<b style="color: black;">十</b>]][[User talk:Juhachi|<b style="color: red;">八</b>]]</span> 21:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:::About 80% of them were matches, and in my experience when that's the case it's usually all of them and the non-matched ones just match to a different page on the site and thus don't get identified in the report. What I can do for you though, is restore the page and bring back the template and all of the other metadata other than the summaries. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 22:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

::::I appreciate that, thank you.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|<b style="color: black;">十</b>]][[User talk:Juhachi|<b style="color: red;">八</b>]]</span> 22:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)



== Progressive Zionism ==

@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], I hope you're doing well. I saw you protect and redirect the page [[Solanki (Gurjar clan)]]. Against IP [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|disruption/vandalism]], I would like to get your permission to restore this page to the last version when I move the page from the inaccurate title [[Solankis]] to the accurate title Solanki (Gurjar clan), thinking that Solankis is more close to the Disambiguation page [[Solanki]]. and I did this because the subject was well sourced in accordance with [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:GNG]]. I'd like to expand and improve this page further, so if you will allow me, I'll restore it with your permission, ''{{Xt|but if you think I don't have the permission or it is against Wikipedia's guidelines, do let me know so I'll not insist.}}''[[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 16:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)



Currently [[Progressive Zionism]] forwards to [[Reform Zionism]], where it is claimed that "Reform Zionism (is) also known as Progressive Zionism" but there is no source supporting this claim. This is a misleading claim in the US and in much of the rest of the world. I suggest that this sentence be changed to "Reform Zionism (is) sometimes known outside the US as Progressive Zionism." In the United States, and in the global Zionist movement, Progressive Zionism often refers to a non-religious successor to non-religious Labor Zionism. It is misleading to say that Reform Zionism is also known as Progressive Zionism.

:Can you address the concerns raised by {{u|DreamRimmer}} and {{u|Chariotrider555}} that the content of the page was poorly referenced hoax material added by a sock farm? <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

::Nowadays, I notice numerous IPs and new users creating pages about Gurjar clans. Based on my experience, these articles seem to be hoaxes, created by copying existing clan names and connecting them with Gurjars. There are many LTAs trying to push Gurjar POV on Wikipedia by using primary sources published by Gurjar authors. The list is extensive, but I'd like to mention some for reference: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Anujror]], [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bensebgli]], [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PakistanHistorian]], [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Chauhan1192]]. In my experience in the [[Wikipedia:GSCASTE|GSCASTE]] area, I want to emphasize that almost all new creations using the term 'Gurjar clan' are likely hoaxes. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b>]] ('''[[User talk:DreamRimmer|talk]]''') 17:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:::@DreamRimmer, But how are you so sure that this should be related to any sock? We can check through Global Contributions or any related platform to confirm the facts. And I was the one who moved page '''Solankis''' to '''Solanki (Gurjars clan)''' and I did not take any further edits there, even though I had not made any edits there. I saw this page after a few days, but I don't understand if we don't have proof that this was actually a LTA or not, just as we thought.? It can be. I guess [[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]] can fix this matter. [[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], as not make any edits on the page except a move yet and yes I read

::* '''Chariotrider555''' concern that page was poorly sourced but that's not the fact I guess overall there were reliable sources one of them might not be reliable but without mentioning such source hard to understand and

::* '''DreamRimmer''' raised a concern that content might be posted by IP or by sock but he/she not mentioned the place were we could understand where it's a fact or not and I don't know how last concern can be addressed it's up to you.[[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Rosguill, I kindly ask for your assistance in deleting [[Solanki (Gurjar clan)]] since it was recently created by [[Special:Permalink/1196808294|moving]] [[Solankis]]. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b>]] ('''[[User talk:DreamRimmer|talk]]''') 17:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], I am leaving it to you as I addressed all the issues and I was the one who moved the page a week ago, and I guess '''DreamRimmer''' is not quite right here because all the links about random [[WP:SPI]] did not prove that such an IP that posted content on '''Solankis''' page was actually a sock or related to any sock according to the provided SPI links, but it's up to you whether you want to delete the page moved from Solankis to '''Solanki (Gurjar clan)''' or you want to use any trick to find out what the fact was thank you.[[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*{{u|DreamRimmer}}, I'm not sure I see the need to delete the page, as there does appear to be some relevant information at [[Chaulukya dynasty]] where it currently redirects. That having been said, to {{u|Kokaabi}}'s points there are broad, valid concerns of [[WP:SYNTH]] and unreliable sources in the prior revisions of the page, in addition to the underlying context of pervasive sockpuppetry. If you believe that there is encyclopedic information to write on this topic, I would encourage you to start an article in draft space. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*:@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], This is my first ever talk with any user or editor here, and I always try to maintain distance from edit wars, etc. Before doing anything, I asked your permission. Even here, I respect DreamRidersl's concern, but he has not yet succeeded in proving or explaining whether such an IP was genuinely linked to any sock or not, but in any [[WP:SPI]] provided links, such a fact has not been proved, so I would request that you, if you have any spare time, please look into this case and take your decision. I trust you, whatever you think is right would be acceptable for me. [[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*::I would like to emphasize that the [[Chaulukya dynasty]] and [[Gurjar|Gurjar tribe]] are distinct entities. The Chaulukyas ruled over the regions of old [[Gujarat]] and [[Rajasthan]], collectively known as ''[[Gurjaratra]]''. This is why they were referred to as『Gurjararāja』and『Gurjareśvara,』meaning "ruler of Gurjara." This information can be verified via sources in the article. They belonged to the [[Solanki (clan)|Solanki clan]] of [[Rajputs]]. I hope this helps. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b>]] ('''[[User talk:DreamRimmer|talk]]''') 17:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*:::{{u|DreamRimmer}}, understood; given the context of the underlying sockpuppetry, I'm going to treat the initial move from [[Solankis]] to [[Solanki (Gurjar clan)]] as a controversial move that should be proposed through [[WP:RM]], which Kokaabi can propose if they so choose. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*::Kokaabi, I've already looked into it and stand by what I've already said. The fact that there has been widespread sockpuppetry relating to "Gujjar clan" articles being created with very weak sourcing is not up for debate, I've seen plenty of examples first hand without even needing to look through the examples DreamRimmer has noted here. If you want to add content in relation to these topics, you should scrutinize every source and claim in keeping with [[WP:ARBIPA]] and [[WP:GSCASTE]]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*:::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], alright, so now I should propose the transfer of Solankis to [[Solanki (Gurjar clan)]]. Should I start with the draft, or should I write a separate article?. In addition, I will obey the policies of [[WP:ARBIPA]] and [[WP:GSCASTE]].[[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 18:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], I don't know why DreamRimmer is quite possessive for [[Rajput]] or related topics. If I am wrong, sorry in advance, but I want to say that on the [[Solanki (clan)]] page, it is said that the Solanki clan is found in more than ten Indian communities. Even on the [[Rajput]] page, it is clearly mentioned that the [[Rajputs]] are descendants of Gurjars, Jats, Tribals, Shudras, Meena, and Ahir/Yadas. When in the Chaulukya dynasty page in the origin section, it is mentioned that Chaulukya and Solanki were [[Gurjar|Gurjars]]. How can DreamRimmer not accept the fact that many communities have the same clan names as Rajput? Even on the Solanki (clan) page, it is clearly mentioned that this clan is found in many communities. Why can Gurjar not have Solanki (Gurjar clan) on a separate page when [[Solanki (Mer clan)]] is also another community that has the same clan name.?[[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 17:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*:::See last reply. You should expect sourcing in this topic area to be held to a very high standard, and are welcome to contribute so long as you can maintain that standard of quality. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*::::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], alright, so now I should propose the transfer of Solankis to Solanki (Gurjar clan). Should I start with the draft, or should I write a separate article?. In addition, I will obey the policies of [[WP:ARBIPA]] and [[WP:GSCASTE]] and thank you very much for giving us a nice solution. [[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 18:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*::::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], please respond to my last query, if you don't mind.[[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 18:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*:::::{{u|Kokaabi}} I would start work in draft space. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*::::::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], Okay, thank you very much. Have a great day. [[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 18:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*:::Yeah, I have a deep interest in all pages related to [[Wikipedia:GSCASTE|GSCASTE]] and Indian history. Indian history was my chosen subject. Also I've actively participated in several SPI reports addressing Gurjar POV pushers. Through this involvement, I've gained a close understanding of the cases. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b>]] ('''[[User talk:DreamRimmer|talk]]''') 18:11, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

*::::@[[User:DreamRimmer|DreamRimmer]], I appreciate your hard work and dedication throughout the past three years that you have been actively serving here. As a novice, I'm always eager to learn from veteran editors here.[[User:Kokaabi|<span style="color:#00FFFF;">Kokaabi</span>]] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#F4A460;">[[User talk:Kokaabi|talk]]</span></small></sup></b> 18:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)



The only part of the Reform Zionism opening paragraph that alludes to this claim is the last sentence, which reads "In Israel, Reform Zionism is associated with the Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism." But Progressive Judaism is not ordinarily another term for Progressive Zionism, Progressive Judaism is another term for Reform Judaism. If you go to the website for the Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism and do a search for "Zionism" - https://reform.org.il/en/?s=zionism - you will get no responses. It does not use the term "Progressive Zionism" to describe itself. I looked at all of the available sources cited in this article and almost none of them refer to the term "Progressive Zionism."

== A kitten for you! ==



It seems that only outside of the US, Progressive Zionism sometimes used to mean Reform Zionism.

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Arza (Association of Reform Zionists of America) Canada almost exclusively uses the term Reform Zionism, and occasionally uses "Progressive Zionism" on their website. As one moves further from the US, the term Progressive Zionism is more commonly used to mean Reform Zionism. Arza Australia https://arza.org.au/about-us/ uses "Progressive Zionism" and Reform Zionism and the World Union for Progressive Judaism uses the term "Progressive Zionism" to mean what in the US is Reform Zionism.

Fantastic job spotting that LTA again! I was also on the lookout for clues, but you beat me to it. Thanks a bunch!



But in the US and in some English media in Israel, Progressive Zionism has a different meaning. It means Progressive in the political sense, not the religious sense. Progressive Zionism in the US has nothing to do with Reform religious Judaism. For example, the 1st hit in a Google search is https://ameinu.net/about-ameinu/progressive-zionism/ . Ameinu is a non-religious organization with a historical connection to Labor Zionism. The 2nd hit is a Hadassah interview with Nomi Colton-Max, the VP of Ameinu. After the Wikipedia article about Reform Judaism, the 4th hit is a Jewish Currents article called "Progressive Zionists Choose a Side." This is not an article about Reform Jews, the Progressive Zionists in the article are『the Peace Bloc—Americans for Peace Now (APN), T’ruah, J Street, the New York Jewish Agenda, the National Council for Jewish Women, Ameinu, Reconstructing Judaism, and Habonim Dror, many of which operate as a loose coalition called the Progressive Israel Network (PIN)』 The 5th hit is https://www.habonimdror.org/progressive-labor-zionism/ , which is part of the Progressive Israel Network and affiliated with Ameinu. Even in American Reform Synagogues, Progressive Zionism is not equated with Reform Zionism. The guest speaker at a Stephen Wise (one of the largest Reform temples in Los Angeles" program about Progressive Zionism is Ken Bob, the president of Ameinu. https://swfs.org/calendar/progressive-zionism-in-light-of-october-7-%F0%9F%99%8B/ This demonstrates that in the US, even Reform Zionists don't think that Reform Zionism is also known as Progressive Zionism.

– [[User:DreamRimmer|<b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b>]] ('''[[User talk:DreamRimmer|talk]]''') 01:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Internationally, when the official American Zionist Movement presents itself to Israel and the rest of the Zionist world, Progressive Zionism is distinct from Reform Zionism. See https://azm.org/elections/ . The "Reform Zionist" slate is Vote Reform: ARZA Representing the Reform Movement and Reconstructing Judaism. In its [https://azm.org/wp-content/uploads/2020-ARZA-Platform-and-Slate.pdf description], it calls itself "the largest constituent of ARZENU, the umbrella organization of Reform and Progressive Religious Zionists." Note - "Progressive Religious Zionists," NOT "Progressive Zionists." The Progressive Zionist slate is Hatikvah: Progressive Israel Slate. Its [https://azm.org/wp-content/uploads/2020-Hatikvah-Platform-and-Slate.pdf description] is "proudly supported by Aleph, Ameinu, Americans for Peace Now, Habonim Dror, Hashomer Hatzair, J Street, Jewish Labor Committee, New Israel Fund, National Council of Jewish Women, Partners for Progressive Israel and T'ruah ..." - these are the same Progressive Israel Network organizations that are what Americans generally mean when they say Progressive Zionism. The only religious group in the bunch is T'ruah, which is non-denominational - it is not affiliated with Reform Judaism.

== Peter's Sister ==



In English-speaking Israel as well, Progressive Zionism generally means left-wing political Zionism, not Reform Judaism Zionism. If you look at the articles in [[The Times of Israel]] tagged "Progressive Zionism - https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/progressive-zionism/ - most of the articles are about what in the US is considered Progressive Zionism, for example this [https://www.timesofisrael.com/left-wing-zionist-groups-americans-for-peace-now-and-ameinu-to-merge/ article] about the merger between Ameinu and Americans for Peace Now.

That episode was actually important as it gave a reason to Peter's abuse towards Meg. [[Special:Contributions/96.242.83.43|96.242.83.43]] ([[User talk:96.242.83.43|talk]]) 19:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)



Please make that correction in the Reform Zionism article, and restore the article I started writing about Progressive Zionism as it is commonly known in the US, in the modern-day global Zionist movement, and in the English-language Israeli press. Of course the "Progressive Zionism" could include the fact that outside the US, some English-speaking countries use the term "Progressive Zionism" to mean what in the US is known as Reform Zionism. [[User:Tysonsahib|Tysonsahib]] ([[User talk:Tysonsahib|talk]]) 16:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

:An article should not be created unless there is enough coverage in independent [[WP:RS]] to meet [[WP:GNG]]. Episode reviews in entertainment magazines are the most common form of RS for television episodes. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:55, 24 January 2024 (UTC)



:{{u|Tysonsahib}}, please make a formal [[WP:ER|edit request]] at [[Talk:Reform Zionism]] for consideration. I'd also recommend trying to make briefer arguments. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Question ==

::Sorry for the long argument. I was trying to document the validity of my claims. I was bummed the article I started writing was deleted. I made an edit request as you suggested. Thank you. [[User:Tysonsahib|Tysonsahib]] ([[User talk:Tysonsahib|talk]]) 16:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)



== Rev Del Request ==

Hello @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]]! I have a question: there's a free image of an Ingush writer [[Idris Bazorkin]] in the 1928-29 when he was young but can a non-free image under fair use be added into the article to depict what he looked like when he was old? [[User:WikiEditor1234567123|<b style="font-style:italic;font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman,serif;color:#87b4a7">''WikiEditor''</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:WikiEditor1234567123|<b style="color:#87b4a7">123…</b>]]</sup> 20:09, 28 January 2024 (UTC)



Hi there,

:I would lean towards "no" on the basis that the younger image of him is sufficient illustration for a short biography. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 21:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)



Is this "allowed" to be rev-del'd? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oi!&diff=next&oldid=1226101870 Thanks! [[User:Myrealnamm-alt|Myrealnamm&#39;s Alternate Account]] ([[User talk:Myrealnamm-alt|talk]]) 15:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Anointed One (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)]] for deletion ==

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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article [[:Anointed One (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)]] is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].



:Eh, it's obvious vandalism but I think revdel is unnecessary here. It's juvenile, but it's not really ''offensive'' per-se and the article in question isn't a BLP and I don't see this being a serious defamation concern. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 15:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anointed One (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

::Ok, thanks! [[User:Myrealnamm-alt|Myrealnamm&#39;s Alternate Account]] ([[User talk:Myrealnamm-alt|talk]]) 15:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)



== HELP ==

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.<!-- Template:Afd notice --></div> [[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] ([[User talk:Mika1h|talk]]) 14:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)



Hi'' [[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]]'', I saw you reverted someone [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources&diff=prev&oldid=1226449392 here] adding a site on perenial sources page with a reason ''"rv addition, 3 discussions all of them small, one of them not at RSN, none of them formally closed, and discussion looks like more of a "no consensus" balance than "generally reliable" to me."''

== Presidential provincial delegate of Cardenal Caro ==

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While I am not related to the case, I just would like to know the steps I should take so that the site [[The Nation (Malawi)|The Nation]] (weblink: https://www.mwnation.com/) could be added there or on the list of reliable sources.

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I tried posting this [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: The Nation (Site)|here]] but don't know if the outcome will be the same.

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Another thing is that I frequently create articles using this source, so I really need the community's input on it.

Thanks.

--[[User:Tumbuka Arch|Tumbuka Arch]] ([[User talk:Tumbuka Arch|talk]]) 10:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)



:Hi {{u|Tumbuka Arch}}, [[WP:RSP]] is not a list of reliable sources per se, it is a list of sources that have been repeatedly, exhaustively discussed. Most sources used on Wikipedia are not listed there. If you are uncertain about a source’s reliability and want the community’s input, you can start a discussion at [[WP:RSN]]. Alternatively, if there’s been disagreement in whether or not it’s reliable enough to be used in the contexts you have been relying on it, you can open an [[WP:RFC]] at RSN to hopefully get a clearer consensus. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The post of governor has been superseded. While it is true the article is not in great shape, I think it is notable and could be improved. There is plenty of coverage. I just haven't got the time to update it. Have a great day. [[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 01:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)



== May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award ==

== Oversight ==



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There's some activity from an account which is removing sources from the article [[Mousiotitsa]] without any explanation or arguments and is personalizing the discussion because they think other editors are admins. I thought that an actual admin might need to step in [[User talk:DHyperion#January 2024]] as they don't seem to realize that they can't just remove content based on their own personal views.--[[User:Maleschreiber|Maleschreiber]] ([[User talk:Maleschreiber|talk]]) 01:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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== May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Streak award ==

== Gabe Simon and Harlow16! ==



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I noticed early this morning that you removed the [[Gabe Simon]] page for a multitude of reasons (rightfully so) and left a COI warning on Harlow16!'s page (I don't want to ping him). However, he has repeatedly reverted bot and human edits and keeps bringing the page back, removing maintenance tags, and ignoring warnings from you and bots. I am not an admin, and not even sure how this process works, but it is not hard for me to notice that this user's activity is problematic. [[User:Akyyka|Akyyka]] ([[User talk:Akyyka|talk]]) 21:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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==Socking IP (belonging to {{noping|Bensebgli}})==

Hi, you mentioned in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pors&diff=prev&oldid=1227398360 this edit] that [[Special:Contributions/2404:3100:18a9:69ea:1:0:fe6c:aa0b|this IP]] has behavioural similarities to a [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bensebgli|sockfarm]] , they still seem to be socking using the [[Special:Contributions/2404:3100:1800::/40|same range]] , and have personally attacked me multiple times. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rajput_Mughal_marriage_alliances_(2nd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=1226273371] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rajput_Mughal_marriage_alliances_(2nd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=1227667773] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liz&diff=prev&oldid=1227669844][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rajpur&diff=prev&oldid=1227665190] <span style="font-family:'forte'">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] <b>([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</b></span> 15:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)



:{{u|Ratnahastin}} Given how much the IP jumps around, I'm not seeing a range that we could block. I would offer to remove or strike messages with personal attacks, but it seems like that's essentially been taken care of already. You can request page protection if they make disruptive edits. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:I saw your blocks and deletions. You're quick. Have a great rest of your day<br>

::Just to let you know, their range ([[Special: Contributions/2404:3100:1800::/40|2404:3100:1800::/40]]) has been blocked by {{noping|Spicy}} as a checkuser block. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3A2404%3A3100%3A1800%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%2F40&type=block] <span style="font-family:'forte'">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] <b>([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</b></span> 12:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

:- [[User:Akyyka|Akyyka]] ([[User talk:Akyyka|talk]]) 23:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Akyyka}} For future incidents, I would say that:

:*If the issue is ''only'' COI without any other problematic editing behavior, raise the issue at [[WP:COIN]] if you are not able to resolve the issue after leaving a relevant template.

:*If the issue is primarily [[WP:Edit war|edit warring]], you can file a report at [[WP:AN3]]

:*If the issue is primarily petty vandalism, you can file a report at [[WP:AIV]]

:*If the issue is none of the above, and is in a [[WP:CTOPS]] topic, you should file a report at [[WP:AE]]

:*For anything else, [[WP:ANI]]

:In this case, the edit warring against multiple editors on a single page, from an account [[WP:SPA|with no other constructive edits]], involving the repeated addition of copyright violations, is a slam dunk case for an indefinite block. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 23:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you. Not sure if you've checked my edit history, but most of my contributions are surrounding music artists and New England history/infrastructure. I only found this user because of a random edit to [[Noah Kahan]] where s/he linked to [[Gabe Simon]], and immediately noticed red flags. In the past, I've submitted protection requests for [[Zach Bryan]] following vandalism from IP editors surrounding his arrest, but I was unaware of the procedure for dealing with autoconfirmed editors. Thank you for the resources.<br>

::- [[User:Akyyka|Akyyka]] ([[User talk:Akyyka|talk]]) 23:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)



== Barbara Capponi page edit ==

== Suspicious IP address accounts ==



Hello i was just wondering what could be done about suspicious accounts such as this one @[[User:77.87.98.59|77.87.98.59]] which does nothing but revert articles in order to remove mentions of Chechens? Can it be blocked or could the articles they spam be locked so only people with a certain amount of edits can access them? because this account does nothing but remove mention of Chechens like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orstkhoy&diff=prev&oldid=1228478832 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Durdzuks&diff=prev&oldid=1227817460 here], my rollbacks to original versions (which me, Wikieditor and others agreed upon) are still being removed and i don't want to edit war. [[User:Goddard2000|Goddard2000]] ([[User talk:Goddard2000|talk]]) 21:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Rosguill,



:Looks like they took a break from editing shortly before you left this message. While their pattern of edits is concerning, I'd like to see more concrete evidence that their edits are clearly tendentious--there's one or two where they give a completely misleading edit summary, but the majority indicate justifiable reasons for changes (e.g. removing unsourced material or material not verifiable with the cited source). If you can demonstrate to me that these justifications were false a block would be in order, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort at this moment given the chance that the IP goes dormant. If disruption continues at these pages it's a basis for protection. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 22:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I have received your message you left for me on your talk page. I am not directly or indirectly compensated for the edits made on Barbara Capponi page. I am just translating the information left on the Italian wikipedia page on her to the English version with appropriate references and sources. [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 18:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

::The two examples i provided are not enough evidence? the IP is literally just removing any mention of Chechens in the intro from articles such as Orstkhoy (a major Chechen tribe) and Durdzuks (an ancient exonym for Chechens). I am sure you remember how me and Wikieditor/Muqale debated about various sections in these articles but nowhere did any of us disagree that both Orstkhoy and Durzuk are related to Chechens, the talk pages are testament to that if we disagreed on something it was rather who the tribe/exonym was related to most. The removal of unsourced material is fine but again it seems to have been done due to it having mentions of Chechens but the main issue with his edits (the most recent ones) is the removal of the sentence about the Chechen ethnicity of Argun district and the villages transferred to it. This part: '''"due to them belonging to the same nation as the locals (Chechen) and geographically closer to the central governance of the Okrug."''' He removes it despite it existing in the source on page 3 in the bottom, again it was already accepted by other editors who usually disagree with me. Only the IP addresses seem to be disagreeing, in my opinion it is enough to ban. [[User:Goddard2000|Goddard2000]] ([[User talk:Goddard2000|talk]]) 01:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

:::I see your perspective, and I hadn't realized on the first glance how much sourced text concerning Chechen ancestry was included in the rest of the [[Orstkhoy]] article and had just been paying attention to the sections they changed, which were unreferenced. I also hadn't realized that the "return to stable version" (which it in no way was) was their second edit, out of the blue, which to me signals that they both a) clearly have edited Wikipedia before and b) fully understand how disruptive and misleading their editing is. I'm going to go ahead and block for a month or so, given that the IP has about a week of stable history. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 02:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)



== User:Benicaverra ==

:Please respond on your talk page so that the discussion is kept in one place. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

::Apologies for responding here again but I have a left a response to your question on my talk page incase you didn't receive that notification on your end. [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 21:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)



In February, you gave [[Special:Contributions/Benicaverra|Benicaverra]] a UPE warning, which they ignored. On 6 June, they reappeared, removed your warning from their talk page, and made several drive-by "votes" at AfD, all deletes except two keeps at [[WP:Articles for deletion/Matt Hunt (journalist)]] and [[WP:Articles for deletion/MacGregor (filmmaker)]], both SPA-created articles. This smells like a UPE network, but I'm not sure how best to proceed except raising it at [[WP:COIN]], which probably won't achieve much. I already emailed the CU mailing list with the concerns, given that it wasn't obvious enough to build SPI case on, but no action seems to have been taken. Do you have any suggestions? --[[User:Paul_012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul_012|talk]]) 03:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

==[[WP:AE]]==

Hi, Rosguill, thanks for reporting Sudhansu7. As for not noticing their legal threat, perhaps you were too fascinated by the waist and buttocks stuff to take note of anything else? It made me blink all right. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 20:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC).



:Haha,tobe honest, I didn't realize that Google Translate could handle latinized Hindi and ignored it beyond noting itasanother potential sign of CIR. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 20:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

:The ignored warning followed by AfD disruption seems like enough for metojustify a block. You may want to also file an [[WP:SPI]] between this account and the two accounts that created those AfDs,asthey're both SPAs with less than 50 edits, and a CU check may turn up more accounts as well. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 03:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks. I've filed an SPI at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Benicaverra]]. --[[User:Paul_012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul_012|talk]]) 04:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)



== So I was chatting with Barkeep49... ==

== NY International FC ==



...and we were talking about the need to develop better information on Afro-centric reliable sources. Barkeep49 pointed me to [[Wikipedia:New_page_patrol_source_guide#Africa|this page]] and, on looking at its history, it seems you started it and have been constantly improving it. Thank you for your work here! It is a hidden gem that just highlights how knowledgeable editors like yourself do so much to help improve the project quietly, consistently, and professionally. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 02:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Dunno why I wasn't alerted to your "notability" header. I do not want to get into an edit war and would love to discuss it here. [[NY International FC]] has been mentioned by reliable sources, both for on the field performances and unfortunate tragedies. It was named in an international magazine ([[World Soccer Magazine]], June 2023 issue - I'd love your help sourcing that and should be able to show you the article). Its not perfect but I don't see why that's worth removing/redirecting the entire page. It plays in a historic league and has enough of a history that it merits being categorized. Also, there's Division 9 teams in England with less sources (I know that's WP:OTHERSTUFF but you need to understand how silly it is). Also, we can move this to the page's TALK page if that's better for record keeping. [[User:ColeTrain4EVER|ColeTrain4EVER]] ([[User talk:ColeTrain4EVER|talk]]) 02:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)



:{{u|Risker}}, ironically, when I saw the RSN thread bemoaning a lack of assessments of African sources last week my first thought was "oh I've tried and failed to fix that". A few years ago I made an effort to try to launch RfCs assessing the media landscapes of countries obscure to English Wikipedia, but it ended up being a bit of a bust for the same reasons that we lack these assessments in the first place: our editors by and large are not familiar with them. The problem is resistant to proactive solutions within the sphere of English Wikipedia, but at least by documenting the discussions we do have (despite whatever shortcomings and biases they may have) we can incrementally assemble what we think we know in a format that is conducive to further correction, critique and expansion. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 15:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|ColeTrain4EVER}}, yes let's discuss. I think here is fine, since the paths forward from here are either a) we agree and implement the outcome b) we disagree, in which case it would be appropriate for you to revert my blanking of the page and discussion would proceed at AfD.

:This was my assessment of the sources cited:

:*[https://www.protagonistsoccer.com/underthelights/2020/1/19/new-york-international-fc Protagonist Soccer] - interview without additional analysis

:*[https://web.archive.org/web/20210410233019/https://www.cosmosoccerleague.com/going-beyond-it-s-roots-new-york-international-f-c-looking-to-kick-off-first-year-with-success/ Cosmo soccer league] - primary source from the league itself

:*[https://web.archive.org/web/20210410233019/https://www.cosmosoccerleague.com/going-beyond-it-s-roots-new-york-international-f-c-looking-to-kick-off-first-year-with-success/ World Soccer] - paywalled, could be good but I can't access it

:*[https://www.onceametro.com/2021/6/11/22529071/cosmopolitan-soccer-league-playoff-preview SBNation/OnceAMetro 1] - not entirely sure what to make of this source. The coverage is decent, but the branding on the page suggests a community website rather than a professional publication, and both the Staff link and the profile for the article's author lack additional information.

:*[http://elements.demosphere.com/74021/MatchReports/99119043/9065307.html Match report] - stats without analysis

:*[https://digital.abcaudio.com/news/columbia-university-student-stabbed-death-near-campus-way-home-soccer-practice ABC News] - Coverage of the death of Davide Giri but no more than a mere mention of the club

:*[https://nypost.com/2021/12/03/who-is-davide-giri-the-columbia-student-fatally-stabbed-in-nyc/ NYPost] - Ditto

:*[https://www.onceametro.com/2021/12/14/22833648/first-on-the-team-sheet-friends-and-league-remember-davide-giri SBNation/OnceAMetro 2] - similar situation as the first SBNation article, and it's the same author, which raises concerns that the author is affiliated with the club.

:*[https://www.onceametro.com/2022/6/15/23169342/lower-league-round-up-june-15-2022#:~:text=NY%20International%20FC%20Wins%20League%20Title%2C%20Organizes%205K%20for%20Fallen%20Teammate SBNation/OnceAMetro 3] - ditto

:*[https://nysoccertimes.com/2022/10/new-york-international-fc-president-nick-platt-on-the-clubs-progress-future/ NY Soccer Times] - interview without additional analysis

:*[https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesnalton/2023/03/28/new-york-international-fc-supports-ev-loves-nyc-bid-to-tackle-food-insecurity/?sh=8ef67fd35df1 Forbes contributor] - [[WP:FORBESCON]], not reliable

:*[https://qns.com/2022/06/ny-international-football-club-late-teammate-5k/ QNS] - ok coverage (more about Giri than the team, but it does mention the team in some detail), but the source looks like a community bulletin board more than a professional publication: no masthead, no about us, but there are submission forms.

:*[https://www.stevenson-school.org/blog/soccer Stevenson] - local school blog with minimal coverage of the team

:So, all told, it comes down to whether Mike Battista at SBNation/OnceAMetro is a reliable source. The most recent RSN discussion I found has a small consensus that it should be used only on a case by case basis, when the specific author is a recognized professional journalist or for completely uncontroversial details like match reports. My sense is that this bar isn't met here. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 15:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

::@[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]] So first off, I have a copy of the World Soccer article (PDF). What would the best way to show that to you be (website or service where I can put it up for you to review)? I'm hoping to follow [[WP:Offline sources]] with this, especially with it being paywalled. But if you don't mind assuming good faith I would love to show it to you and you could help me cite it. I've never cited offline stuff before and want to do it correctly.

::As for Mike Battista, if we count him as a source it looks like he's written for [https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2023/03/appalachian-fc-sasquatch-open-cup-the-power-of-belief U.S. Soccer] itself. See the bottom where it says "regular contributor to TheCup.us, Once A Metro, & New York Sports Nation". Though [https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2023/10/bonding-growing-under-the-banner-of-sharktopus-fc a recent article] says he writes for Hudson River Blue now. Both of which are soccer websites for the New York area. If it comes down to SB Nation/Once A Metro being reliable, one of his articles there [https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/united-soccer-coaches-announces-2022-media-contest-winners/ won a national award] from [[United Soccer Coaches]]. Would USC being reputable and awarding Once A Metro give the website or author more credence? That makes sense on paper to me. [[User:ColeTrain4EVER|ColeTrain4EVER]] ([[User talk:ColeTrain4EVER|talk]]) 17:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

:::Regarding the offline source, I'm ok with accepting that on good faith. I'm not sure I find the examples bolstering Battista's case to be particularly strong, unfortunately. I'd rather see recognition from a journalistic body than a US Soccer body, as the latter isn't really independent. The media award seems to be an [https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/awards/association-awards/media-contest/ open-submission contest] hosted by a coaches' organization rather than a professional award for excellence in the field, and being a "regular contributor" doesn't sound like an actual staff journalist position. Can you find any [[WP:USEBYOTHERS]] for Battista's work? <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

::::I don't fully understand [[WP:USEBYOTHERS]] so apologies if I'm off base here. I'm not finding anything about them being staffed anywhere. Just articles at other websites for various different levels of soccer. Though there is one at [https://www.protagonistsoccer.com/coverage/nisa-valleyunited-immigration-issues Protagonist Soccer] (since that popped up before). But it calls him a guest contributor. Though at the very least I think that would eliminate the concerns that they are affiliated with the club? [[User:ColeTrain4EVER|ColeTrain4EVER]] ([[User talk:ColeTrain4EVER|talk]]) 17:41, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::By USEBYOTHERS, I mean examples of established RS (e.g. ESPN, Sports Illustrated prior to the current meltdown, or any reputable non-sports newspaper) citing Battista's work in another publication. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


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Deletion review for Moroccanoil

An editor has asked for a deletion reviewofMoroccanoil. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Kapitan110295 (talk) 04:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't done a deletion review before, I hope I'm doing this properly :) Kapitan110295 (talk) 04:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kapitan110295, as the people who have responded to the discussion have already pointed out, DRV is appropriate if there was an issue with the prior deletion discussion/closure itself. In this case, the situation is that you are asserting that there is now a notable topic by this name, unrelated to the discussion at RfD 3 years ago, so you would have been better off skipping DRV and just drafting a new article since there’s nothing for DRV to evaluate. You can still do that by withdrawing the current discussion (if you’re not sure how to do that, just leave a comment saying that you want to withdraw and someone will do the rest) and then proceeding to start working on the article. signed, Rosguill talk 13:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Enforcement of community ANI-based ban at ITN

Hello, I'm coming back into Wikpiedia after a long break to cool down from life in general and Wikipedia to a degree. As I was on my way out of the door I gained an indefinite ban at ITN, enforced by you per the logs. So as a reminder to me, what is required for me to appeal against this, is it simply a thread at ANI or some other request? Thanks in advance. The Rambling Man (Been a while, I know......) 22:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, community bans should be appealed at WP:AN by opening a thread. I'd maybe recommend taking a few months of on-wiki editing before rushing to appeal though, I would expect that to greatly increase chances of succeeding. signed, Rosguill talk 03:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes of course. Thanks for your response. The Rambling Man (Been a while, I know......) 11:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C

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Question

Hi Rosguill, hope you're doing well. I was thinking about make a section about this topic [1]. Where do you think it will be most appropriate, WP:ANorWP:ANI? I feel like the latter doesn't pay much attention to these kind of issues, but I'm not sure. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HistoryofIran Presuming that your intent is to investigate the other suspected sockpuppets/collaborators, I think ANI is most appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 19:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TheSagar

A redirect 2024–25 SA20 that User:Thesagar75 had created twice, and whom you had blocked in Jan, has been recreated by User:Sagar Singh 9, account created in March. Jay 💬 20:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked as obvious sock, noting that they'd already been pinged for various disruptive edits as well. signed, Rosguill talk 15:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shravan Tiwari

Hi Rosguill. Shravan Tiwari has been moved back to the mainspace. I noticed in the page history that you draftified it in January citing UPE/block evasion concerns; so, I'm just letting you know as a couresy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marchjuly, this ended up being quite the rabbit hole, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Maheshworld. signed, Rosguill talk 15:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for looking into this. I didn't realize things were that messy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sent you a mail again

Really hoping you have the time right now. Only the private evidence is private. So, we can talk about the rest of it on wiki. Have you considered becoming a CU? If anyone needs it, that's you. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Get well soon, Rosguill. Sorry to have put you in the position. I default to you cos of the NPP connection. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All good Usedtobecool, it was an honest mistake on both our parts and I don't think anyone's planning on throwing the book at us yet (just y'know, opening the book and pointing to a page). signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Usedtobecool +1 I was thinking the same for a while now that Rosguill would become a good CU. Since SPI has a backlog now and needs a few helping hands, I think this will be the right time to apply if they feel it is interesting. Regards! Maliner (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Private evidence blocks

Hi, per WP:BLOCKEVIDENCE, related to Special:Diff/1206604402 and Special:Diff/1223193298, please make sure you are reporting UPE and other private evidence blocks so that they can actually be reviewed. Primefac (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, administrators who are not Checkusers or Oversighters should not make private evidence blocks at all, per Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Confidential evidence, which states The community has rejected the idea of individual administrators acting on evidence that cannot be peer-reviewed.
Please send cases like this to either a CU, OS, or to ArbCom. I for one am more than happy to take 'private evidence' referrals from admins in my functionary capacity. firefly ( t · c ) 17:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, firefly, noted! I hadn't been aware of that clause. I will collect the relevant emails and send them along. signed, Rosguill talk 17:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Might be a good idea to include a reminder in the next Admin Newsletter. S0091 (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's been in there before. Any sort of reminder might make more sense when the new paid editing queue launches (something I hope Rosguill gives serious thought about applying for). Barkeep49 (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll look into it when it's time, although my first impulse regarding this (and the encouragement to pursue CU status in the section above) is that for as long as actual new page patrolling makes up a significant portion of my editing, taking on these additional roles might make me more judge-jury-and-executioner than is really appropriate (at least from the vantage point of anyone on the receiving end). signed, Rosguill talk 18:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that the only relevant materials I have actually acted on are related to the QuadriSayedSahab case; I have not reviewed anything related to the second diff concerning Annuarif although I believe I did receive an email this morning (I have been sick recently and have thus been applying less than my usual diligence in responding to requests). Usedtobecool, please forward relevant further correspondence to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org and/or firefly per their volunteering here. signed, Rosguill talk 18:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's done. Thanks firefly. I did often wonder if it's functionaries I should be contacting but that wasn't the practice that I learned when I was learning, and missed that RFC as well. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I don't believe any of my previous emails included private evidence. They numbered two or three and were sent for a more frank/comfortable communication and/or for communicating sock tells that I had shared more cryptically onwiki. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The QuadriSayedSahab case involved private evidence sent to me by a different editor. Your description of our past off-wiki communication is accurate to my recollection: it's mostly been about calling out patterns of editing between accounts that would amount to spilling the beans if repeated on-wiki but which did not include anything actually private in nature. signed, Rosguill talk 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anyway we can protect this article per WP:GS/AA enforcement action? An IP has been removing referenced information since 3 May. --Kansas Bear (talk) 12:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kansas Bear, yes, Armenian Genocide-related material is plainly within scope of those restrictions.  Done and logged at WP:AELOG. signed, Rosguill talk 14:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Stay safe, Rosguill. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got Milked

Hi. Following that user's block from the specified 2 articles, could I ask you to glean through his other ones in the related subject? He has a history of warnings. From what I've seen, his style is inflammatory, and his contributions are large chunks of barely-relevant, poorly sourced and badly written text. AddMore-III (talk) 23:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be a consistent pattern of COATRACK editing, yes, although now that the active disruption has been dealt with, nothing that rises to the level that would make it appropriate for me to deliver a sanction as a bolt out of the blue. If you think that the quality of their edits is of such a consistently poor quality that it has become disruptive in general, you can bring a case to WP:AE, but I doubt such a request will be successful unless/until there are examples of 6+ articles where this has happened or new examples of disruptive editing since the p-block. signed, Rosguill talk 01:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of tea for you!

thanks for your contributions! :) xRozuRozu (tc) 04:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peranakans

You don't know about the whole Perakans! As a Malaysian, I still know everything about Peranakan ,you don't know how many ethnicities Peranakan are out there, do you know the difference between Peranakan Chinese Baba Nyonya , Baba Yaya , Kiau Seng ? 2405:3800:84B:1E32:91A6:951B:7279:2F04 (talk) 17:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a Wikipedian, you need to provide reliable sources to back your claims. Also, on English Wikipedia, you need to write in comprehensible English, which your article-space contributions have thus-far fallen short of. signed, Rosguill talk 17:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'd draw your attention to the hatnote already at Peranakan Chinese: This article is about Peranakans with Chinese ancestry. For Peranakans with Indian ancestry, see Chitty. For Peranakans with Eurasian ancestry, see Kristang. For Peranakan Muslims of Indian, Malay and Arab descent, see Jawi Peranakan. signed, Rosguill talk 17:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request to receive response for my claims in the discussion although I am not "qualified"

hey, did you had a chance to read the discussion before looking it?

I would appreciate if I could get an answer to my questions regarding the request for enforcement in that topic, specifically regarding the policy I have quoted regarding re-instating of content in dispute.

I hope you cold see I am coming with good fait and instead of fighting we could have a fruitful conversation...

"Many users believe that unregistered users' sole contributions to Wikipedia are to cause disruption to articles and that they have fewer rights as editors compared with registered users. Studies in 2004 and 2007 found that although most vandalism (80%) is generated by IP editors, over 80% of edits by unregistered users were not vandalism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Welcome_unregistered_editing

Hope that you will address my concern regarding the policy instead of choosing the easy route of calling me disruptive and dismiss my request for rules to be enforced equally :) 109.64.78.25 (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IPs are not allowed to edit these topics per WP:ARBCOM's rulings, which are endorsed by the community. This is a necessary measure to address sockpuppetry and persistent bad faith editing in the topic area. End of discussion. Persistent attempts to challenge this as an IP is itself a violation of the ruling, and will result in a loss of editing privileges if continued. signed, Rosguill talk 18:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

redirect of the page: String Quartet No. 4 (Ichmouratov)

Dear Rosguill, I just noticed that you redirected the page about String Quartet No. 4, Op. 35. I realize that I probably didn't address the notability concerns properly and later forgot about it. Now, the page is deleted, and I believe this work by this Canadian composer is important and notable for Wikipedia readers, as it has been performed on multiple occasions in several countries, including Europe, Canada, and Australia. I would like to ask if you could restore the deleted page and give me a chance to improve it and prove its notability with reliable sources. Thank you, Patrick0506 (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick0506 Nothing has been deleted, you should be able to access everything in the page's history, here's a link for convenience to the last revision before redirection [2]. I would have merged information to the article about Ichmouratov himself, except that said article was comprehensive enough that it wasn't clear if it would be appropriate. My concerns regarding the No. 4 article is that the cited sources appeared to praise the album that the No.4 appears on, but dedicate virtually no attention to the No.4 piece itself. signed, Rosguill talk 14:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. Thank you for your input, it's appreciated. I will work on making this page more informative about the composition itself. Patrick0506 (talk) 18:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have one more question. I want to ensure I'm following Wikipedia's rules correctly. After adding more information, if I understood correctly, I cannot remove the "Notability" tag myself since, as the creator of the page, I have a conflict of interest. Should I approach you for this task? Sorry for asking so many questions, this is my first time dealing with this issue, and I want to do everything according to the rules. Thank you in advance for your advice.Patrick0506 (talk) 18:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, it's a gray area to be honest as long as you don't have an actual WP:COI with the subject itself (i.e. while it's natural for you to be somewhat biased towards the state of the article given that you started it, unless you have an actual external relationship with Ichmouratov or this work it's not a full-blown COI). In this case, since we've already discussed it here and I'm confident you're approaching this in the right spirit, I wouldn't object to you removing it yourself (and if I still think there are serious notability issues even then, I would just progress to opening an WP:AfD so that the community can weigh in and come to a consensus. signed, Rosguill talk 19:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense. Thank you for the quick response. I will do my best to get it right. All the best. Patrick0506 (talk) 19:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Rosguill, I just wanted to keep you updated in case you would like to check. I have worked on the page over the last few days, adding more information about this composition, including music samples, external audio, and image files. Thank you again for your advice and contributions. it's much appreciated. I feel that I learn something, and I am grateful.
Best regards, Patrick0506 (talk) 15:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TPA removal and rev/del request

Hi Rosguill, see the unblock request at User talk:Make Way For The King. I have already sent an OS request for their edit summaries at Kolkata Knight Riders. Pinging @K6ka who blocked them for their awareness. S0091 (talk) 19:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like K6ka already (correctly) removed TPA. I've gone ahead and performed the revdel. signed, Rosguill talk 20:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Rosguill. S0091 (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. Where is the evidence there was "extensive copyvio of the original English episode summaries" in Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions: Heart Throb? Now that the history has been deleted, I can't check them for myself to verify your claims. You've also inadvertently left List of Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions episodes with half of its content now gone without any episode list whatsoever for the 2014 series, which is not exactly helpful.-- 20:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The text came up in a copyvios.toolforge.org report that matched the text to www.themoviedb. org/tv/45501/episodes?credit_id=55525564c3a3683d3b001960&person_id=4c85cb465e73d66b5b00006e&language=es-es (n.b. that website is on Wikipedia's blacklist, hence the non-functional link). My guess is that the summaries were likely the original first-party summaries provided by the publisher of the anime, but that is still under copyright and not material we can include on Wikipedia. signed, Rosguill talk 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible for me to see which summaries were potential copyvios? Was it all of them, or just some of them? Seems kind of pointless to discard all of them if only some of them were in violation.-- 21:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About 80% of them were matches, and in my experience when that's the case it's usually all of them and the non-matched ones just match to a different page on the site and thus don't get identified in the report. What I can do for you though, is restore the page and bring back the template and all of the other metadata other than the summaries. signed, Rosguill talk 22:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that, thank you.-- 22:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive Zionism

Currently Progressive Zionism forwards to Reform Zionism, where it is claimed that "Reform Zionism (is) also known as Progressive Zionism" but there is no source supporting this claim. This is a misleading claim in the US and in much of the rest of the world. I suggest that this sentence be changed to "Reform Zionism (is) sometimes known outside the US as Progressive Zionism." In the United States, and in the global Zionist movement, Progressive Zionism often refers to a non-religious successor to non-religious Labor Zionism. It is misleading to say that Reform Zionism is also known as Progressive Zionism.

The only part of the Reform Zionism opening paragraph that alludes to this claim is the last sentence, which reads "In Israel, Reform Zionism is associated with the Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism." But Progressive Judaism is not ordinarily another term for Progressive Zionism, Progressive Judaism is another term for Reform Judaism. If you go to the website for the Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism and do a search for "Zionism" - https://reform.org.il/en/?s=zionism - you will get no responses. It does not use the term "Progressive Zionism" to describe itself. I looked at all of the available sources cited in this article and almost none of them refer to the term "Progressive Zionism."

It seems that only outside of the US, Progressive Zionism sometimes used to mean Reform Zionism. Arza (Association of Reform Zionists of America) Canada almost exclusively uses the term Reform Zionism, and occasionally uses "Progressive Zionism" on their website. As one moves further from the US, the term Progressive Zionism is more commonly used to mean Reform Zionism. Arza Australia https://arza.org.au/about-us/ uses "Progressive Zionism" and Reform Zionism and the World Union for Progressive Judaism uses the term "Progressive Zionism" to mean what in the US is Reform Zionism.

But in the US and in some English media in Israel, Progressive Zionism has a different meaning. It means Progressive in the political sense, not the religious sense. Progressive Zionism in the US has nothing to do with Reform religious Judaism. For example, the 1st hit in a Google search is https://ameinu.net/about-ameinu/progressive-zionism/ . Ameinu is a non-religious organization with a historical connection to Labor Zionism. The 2nd hit is a Hadassah interview with Nomi Colton-Max, the VP of Ameinu. After the Wikipedia article about Reform Judaism, the 4th hit is a Jewish Currents article called "Progressive Zionists Choose a Side." This is not an article about Reform Jews, the Progressive Zionists in the article are『the Peace Bloc—Americans for Peace Now (APN), T’ruah, J Street, the New York Jewish Agenda, the National Council for Jewish Women, Ameinu, Reconstructing Judaism, and Habonim Dror, many of which operate as a loose coalition called the Progressive Israel Network (PIN)』 The 5th hit is https://www.habonimdror.org/progressive-labor-zionism/ , which is part of the Progressive Israel Network and affiliated with Ameinu. Even in American Reform Synagogues, Progressive Zionism is not equated with Reform Zionism. The guest speaker at a Stephen Wise (one of the largest Reform temples in Los Angeles" program about Progressive Zionism is Ken Bob, the president of Ameinu. https://swfs.org/calendar/progressive-zionism-in-light-of-october-7-%F0%9F%99%8B/ This demonstrates that in the US, even Reform Zionists don't think that Reform Zionism is also known as Progressive Zionism.

Internationally, when the official American Zionist Movement presents itself to Israel and the rest of the Zionist world, Progressive Zionism is distinct from Reform Zionism. See https://azm.org/elections/ . The "Reform Zionist" slate is Vote Reform: ARZA Representing the Reform Movement and Reconstructing Judaism. In its description, it calls itself "the largest constituent of ARZENU, the umbrella organization of Reform and Progressive Religious Zionists." Note - "Progressive Religious Zionists," NOT "Progressive Zionists." The Progressive Zionist slate is Hatikvah: Progressive Israel Slate. Its description is "proudly supported by Aleph, Ameinu, Americans for Peace Now, Habonim Dror, Hashomer Hatzair, J Street, Jewish Labor Committee, New Israel Fund, National Council of Jewish Women, Partners for Progressive Israel and T'ruah ..." - these are the same Progressive Israel Network organizations that are what Americans generally mean when they say Progressive Zionism. The only religious group in the bunch is T'ruah, which is non-denominational - it is not affiliated with Reform Judaism.

In English-speaking Israel as well, Progressive Zionism generally means left-wing political Zionism, not Reform Judaism Zionism. If you look at the articles in The Times of Israel tagged "Progressive Zionism - https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/progressive-zionism/ - most of the articles are about what in the US is considered Progressive Zionism, for example this article about the merger between Ameinu and Americans for Peace Now.

Please make that correction in the Reform Zionism article, and restore the article I started writing about Progressive Zionism as it is commonly known in the US, in the modern-day global Zionist movement, and in the English-language Israeli press. Of course the "Progressive Zionism" could include the fact that outside the US, some English-speaking countries use the term "Progressive Zionism" to mean what in the US is known as Reform Zionism. Tysonsahib (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tysonsahib, please make a formal edit requestatTalk:Reform Zionism for consideration. I'd also recommend trying to make briefer arguments. signed, Rosguill talk 16:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the long argument. I was trying to document the validity of my claims. I was bummed the article I started writing was deleted. I made an edit request as you suggested. Thank you. Tysonsahib (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rev Del Request

Hi there,

Is this "allowed" to be rev-del'd? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oi!&diff=next&oldid=1226101870 Thanks! Myrealnamm's Alternate Account (talk) 15:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, it's obvious vandalism but I think revdel is unnecessary here. It's juvenile, but it's not really offensive per-se and the article in question isn't a BLP and I don't see this being a serious defamation concern. signed, Rosguill talk 15:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks! Myrealnamm's Alternate Account (talk) 15:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HELP

Hi Rosguill, I saw you reverted someone here adding a site on perenial sources page with a reason "rv addition, 3 discussions all of them small, one of them not at RSN, none of them formally closed, and discussion looks like more of a "no consensus" balance than "generally reliable" to me."

While I am not related to the case, I just would like to know the steps I should take so that the site The Nation (weblink: https://www.mwnation.com/) could be added there or on the list of reliable sources.

I tried posting this here but don't know if the outcome will be the same.
Another thing is that I frequently create articles using this source, so I really need the community's input on it. Thanks. --Tumbuka Arch (talk) 10:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HiTumbuka Arch, WP:RSP is not a list of reliable sources per se, it is a list of sources that have been repeatedly, exhaustively discussed. Most sources used on Wikipedia are not listed there. If you are uncertain about a source’s reliability and want the community’s input, you can start a discussion at WP:RSN. Alternatively, if there’s been disagreement in whether or not it’s reliable enough to be used in the contexts you have been relying on it, you can open an WP:RFC at RSN to hopefully get a clearer consensus. signed, Rosguill talk 14:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

Special Edition New Page Patroller's Barnstar

This award is given in recognition to Rosguill for accumulating at least 200 points during the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions helped play a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Streak award

Rack and pinion Award

This award is given in recognition to Rosguill for accumulating at least 15 points during each week of the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Socking IP (belonging to Bensebgli)

Hi, you mentioned in this edit that this IP has behavioural similarities to a sockfarm , they still seem to be socking using the same range , and have personally attacked me multiple times. [3] [4] [5][6] Ratnahastin (talk) 15:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ratnahastin Given how much the IP jumps around, I'm not seeing a range that we could block. I would offer to remove or strike messages with personal attacks, but it seems like that's essentially been taken care of already. You can request page protection if they make disruptive edits. signed, Rosguill talk 19:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to let you know, their range (2404:3100:1800::/40) has been blocked by Spicy as a checkuser block. [7] Ratnahastin (talk) 12:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicious IP address accounts

Hello i was just wondering what could be done about suspicious accounts such as this one @77.87.98.59 which does nothing but revert articles in order to remove mentions of Chechens? Can it be blocked or could the articles they spam be locked so only people with a certain amount of edits can access them? because this account does nothing but remove mention of Chechens like here and here, my rollbacks to original versions (which me, Wikieditor and others agreed upon) are still being removed and i don't want to edit war. Goddard2000 (talk) 21:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like they took a break from editing shortly before you left this message. While their pattern of edits is concerning, I'd like to see more concrete evidence that their edits are clearly tendentious--there's one or two where they give a completely misleading edit summary, but the majority indicate justifiable reasons for changes (e.g. removing unsourced material or material not verifiable with the cited source). If you can demonstrate to me that these justifications were false a block would be in order, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort at this moment given the chance that the IP goes dormant. If disruption continues at these pages it's a basis for protection. signed, Rosguill talk 22:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two examples i provided are not enough evidence? the IP is literally just removing any mention of Chechens in the intro from articles such as Orstkhoy (a major Chechen tribe) and Durdzuks (an ancient exonym for Chechens). I am sure you remember how me and Wikieditor/Muqale debated about various sections in these articles but nowhere did any of us disagree that both Orstkhoy and Durzuk are related to Chechens, the talk pages are testament to that if we disagreed on something it was rather who the tribe/exonym was related to most. The removal of unsourced material is fine but again it seems to have been done due to it having mentions of Chechens but the main issue with his edits (the most recent ones) is the removal of the sentence about the Chechen ethnicity of Argun district and the villages transferred to it. This part: "due to them belonging to the same nation as the locals (Chechen) and geographically closer to the central governance of the Okrug." He removes it despite it existing in the source on page 3 in the bottom, again it was already accepted by other editors who usually disagree with me. Only the IP addresses seem to be disagreeing, in my opinion it is enough to ban. Goddard2000 (talk) 01:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see your perspective, and I hadn't realized on the first glance how much sourced text concerning Chechen ancestry was included in the rest of the Orstkhoy article and had just been paying attention to the sections they changed, which were unreferenced. I also hadn't realized that the "return to stable version" (which it in no way was) was their second edit, out of the blue, which to me signals that they both a) clearly have edited Wikipedia before and b) fully understand how disruptive and misleading their editing is. I'm going to go ahead and block for a month or so, given that the IP has about a week of stable history. signed, Rosguill talk 02:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Benicaverra

In February, you gave Benicaverra a UPE warning, which they ignored. On 6 June, they reappeared, removed your warning from their talk page, and made several drive-by "votes" at AfD, all deletes except two keeps at WP:Articles for deletion/Matt Hunt (journalist) and WP:Articles for deletion/MacGregor (filmmaker), both SPA-created articles. This smells like a UPE network, but I'm not sure how best to proceed except raising it at WP:COIN, which probably won't achieve much. I already emailed the CU mailing list with the concerns, given that it wasn't obvious enough to build SPI case on, but no action seems to have been taken. Do you have any suggestions? --Paul_012 (talk) 03:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ignored warning followed by AfD disruption seems like enough for me to justify a block. You may want to also file an WP:SPI between this account and the two accounts that created those AfDs, as they're both SPAs with less than 50 edits, and a CU check may turn up more accounts as well. signed, Rosguill talk 03:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I've filed an SPI at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Benicaverra. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I was chatting with Barkeep49...

...and we were talking about the need to develop better information on Afro-centric reliable sources. Barkeep49 pointed me to this page and, on looking at its history, it seems you started it and have been constantly improving it. Thank you for your work here! It is a hidden gem that just highlights how knowledgeable editors like yourself do so much to help improve the project quietly, consistently, and professionally. Risker (talk) 02:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Risker, ironically, when I saw the RSN thread bemoaning a lack of assessments of African sources last week my first thought was "oh I've tried and failed to fix that". A few years ago I made an effort to try to launch RfCs assessing the media landscapes of countries obscure to English Wikipedia, but it ended up being a bit of a bust for the same reasons that we lack these assessments in the first place: our editors by and large are not familiar with them. The problem is resistant to proactive solutions within the sphere of English Wikipedia, but at least by documenting the discussions we do have (despite whatever shortcomings and biases they may have) we can incrementally assemble what we think we know in a format that is conducive to further correction, critique and expansion. signed, Rosguill talk 15:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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