As you can notice, [[user:Avg|Avg]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia&diff=prev&oldid=47683281],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NikoSilver&diff=prev&oldid=47687559],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edwy/Active&diff=prev&oldid=47687970]) supported by two Greek editors [[user:Edwy|Edwy]] and [[user:NikoSilver|NikoSilver]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bitola&diff=prev&oldid=47677902],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TigerShark&diff=prev&oldid=47680452],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edwy/Active&diff=prev&oldid=47687724]) continued with using
As you can notice, [[user:Avg|Avg]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia&diff=prev&oldid=47683281],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NikoSilver&diff=prev&oldid=47687559],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edwy/Active&diff=prev&oldid=47687970]) supported by two Greek editors [[user:Edwy|Edwy]] and [[user:NikoSilver|NikoSilver]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bitola&diff=prev&oldid=47677902],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TigerShark&diff=prev&oldid=47680452],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edwy/Active&diff=prev&oldid=47687724]) continued with using
insulting terms like Fyromians, FYROM nationals etc. Is there any way to stop this madness? [[User:Bitola|Bitola]] 15:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
insulting terms like Fyromians, FYROM nationals etc. Is there any way to stop this madness? [[User:Bitola|Bitola]] 15:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
:I have not used any of those terms and NikoSilver and Avg have said they won't use "Fyromians" ever again. "FYROM nationals" OTOH is a legitimate term used by diplomats, so it can be used. FYROM nationals is not a personal attack. [[User:Edwy|''Edwy'']] <sup>([[User talk:Edwy/Active|talk]])</sup> 15:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, TigerShark, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop
Hey there. Congratulations, you've just been made a sysop! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except junk like "LALALALAL*&*@#@THIS_SUXX0RZ"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.
Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun!
Congratulations on the new bucket (and the mop too, if you absolutely must)! Wield it wisely!
Congratulations, but please never put milk in my tea, I beg you! :) And so long as you now consider yourself my house vandal fighter (whenever my other one can't attend to my needs in that respect) my vote was well worth it. --Mmounties (Talk) 04:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5)
Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll.
Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block.
Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology.
and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able.
Hello TigerShark: Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 77/3/0. I hope I can perform at the standards expected for administrators. If I make any mistakes, or you need anything, please let me know. Prodegotalk01:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Anonimous vandals
Can you semi protect my talk page from anonimous editing. It appears that either User:PSYCH or someone associated with him has posted to another site to get people to vandalise my page. Xtra07:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't attack me with BASELESS allegations, you have no evidence, and what you just said constitutes a personal attack. Please don't make me go to WP:PAIN again, it's very tiresome. PSYCH08:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
An anonymous editor said thet they were asked to vandalise my page and there is only one person i can think of who would make such a request. Xtra08:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You would know as a supposed lawyer, that "I think you are" is not enough, it is just suspicion, not based on any reasonable grounds, and as an asside, you aren't exactly impartial, and have a personal stake in the matter anyway. Please refrain from attacks, or WP:PAIN it is.....again. PSYCH08:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, try to block this guy right now, or keep his address on your list, because he is a chronic vandalizer, since Feb, he has disrupted too many articles by blatant, vulgar vandalism[1]. Zmmz00:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When to post on WP:AIV
When is it appropriate to post someone on WP:AIV because you removed my post [2]. Why do the Templates say "This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia" if they get another chance. I didn’t' want to post on WP:AIV but I also didn't want to put a blank warning on his talk page. When is it appropriate to post on WP:AIV?--E-Bod22:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Thanks for your note. Generally speaking they should not be listed if they have not vandalised in the last two hours or they stopped after a warning. In this case they had not vandalised (or even edited) in 7 hours, which is why I removed them. Blocks are designed to prevent further vandalism, so if it is not continuing they are generally not used. If they begin to vandalise again after a long break, it is good practice to issue at least another warning before listing. Cheers TigerShark01:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your interest in VandalProof! You've been added to the safe list, and I will do my best to notify you once a download becomes available. AmiDaniel (Talk) 05:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
swift
The code in the Swift aricle was showing through the text. There was no end to the tags so I could not figure out what it was so I deleted it. Will mark edit notes in future. Ronan
Hi TigerShark- thanks a lot for your support on my recent, (barely) successful rfa, and congrats on the success of your own. Please feel free to leave me any comments or criticisms on my talk page! --He:ah?22:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From the speedy tag: ...it is an article about a real person or group of people that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject. (CSD A7)
If you can explain to me how that explicit criteria doesn't fit, I'd be grateful -- or how it somehow escapes "...it is a very short article providing little or no context (CSD A1)". --Calton | Talk16:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Thanks for the note. To delete the article on the basis of A7 it would need to meet the criteria defined here. Specifically the fact that the article claims she wrote a song for Kelly Clarkson probably doesn't meet the criteria that "only those articles where there is no remotely plausible assertion of notability should be considered".
With regard to deleting it on the basis of A1 - I would say that, although the article provides little content, it does provide sufficient context to provide expansion (i.e. it describes the individual and her claim to notability enough that she could be researched and the article expanded). Thanks TigerShark16:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Admin help
Hi, now that you're an admin, you assistance is required. User:Avg has been listed at WP:PAIN for something and a very large discussion thread has been going on for quite some time. Could you please see to it and either remove it or ban Avg, because I want to go to bed and I'm afraid to leave the discussion :P Edwy(talk)22:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Edwy. I am a little confused, as your comments on the WP:PAIN thread seem to be supporting User:Avg and you appear to claim that you do not think that they are making personal attacks. Could you please clarify who you think should be banned and try to sum up why (with diffs if possible). Thanks TigerShark22:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone should be banned. If I'm wrong, please feel free to ban, it's just that the atmosphere there is extremely unpleasent and I wanted to have a word with Bitola so that we could stop this bitterness between Greek and Macedonian editors and as long as that discussion is there, I don't think that it is going to happen. Bitola seems very upset (and I understand him), I tried to have a word with Avg about it and he agreed to take a step back. In my opinion, now no one is acting improperly, but I just don't like the intense dislike some of them seem to show (the same is true vice versa). Essentially, I'm asking you to decide if a ban is needed and to do it as soon as possible. If it isn't, delete (or archive) that debate. Edwy(talk)22:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Thanks for raising this to me. It looks like more of a content dispute than a true personal attack, but these kinds of issues can be a gray area. Anyway, it seems to have calmed down now and User:Avg seems to have agreed not to use the term anymore, so I have removed the item. Cheers TigerShark23:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick response to the alert. The user in Wisconsin is playing a live trivia contest and is trying to sabotage the other teams by providing false information. The contest started 6 pm CDT yesterday and will run until midnight CDT 09 April Jafree00:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi TigerShark and thanks for your involving in the problem.The reasons why I'm so insisting about this on WP:PAIN is because using a terms we (Macedonians) consider insulting become a common practice here on WP. I admit that this issue is highly controversial, but if we stick to the solutions already adopted here (for example, the article about the country is under Republic of Macedonia and the article about the people under Macedonians (ethnic group), I think nobody will feel offended. My biggest concern at the moment is that Avg announced that he will stop using the term Fyromians, but now it declares that he will use another insulting term that is nothing else than variation of the same thing (FYROM nationals):[3],[4]. I'm determined to clear this to the end and I'm not certain what should I do at the moment. Anyway, I put a note at his talk page hoping that he will stop insults:[5]. If he/she is still insisting on using the second (or other) offensive term, I will contact you and report him on WP:AN). Do you have any suggestions? Thanks. Bitola07:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
FYROM nationals is not a personal attack and this was fully demonstrated at the deleted WP:PAIN discussion. Don't try to pull wool over people's eyes, it'll take a lot of imagination to force what's going on here under the definition personal attacks. I find this whole affair childish and wouldn't oppose the banning of both you and Avg for WP:POINT disruption. Edwy(talk)11:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My position is clear an firm on the matter: "FYROM nationals" it is. After all, a PA would be "Sh** nationals" or verbal abuse of the sort. I am not going to discuss with Bitola how correct it is to use a term, that has been adopted by UN, EU, EBRD, IMF, one third or so of the countries in the world and my homeland. If he is insulted it is his problem, his bias, and his POV. You are free to ban me and erase the UN article as well. NikoSilver(T)@(C)10:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
TigerShark at WP:PAIN, right below Bitola reporting me, I had reported Bitola for abusing WP:POINT and WP:NPA and today he sent me this[6], which resulted in me leaving at his page this[7]. It is obvious that he is not genuinely insulted by "Fyromians" and he fails to accept even good faith. Perhaps you could also leave him a message about what abuse means. For further insight, please have a look again at yesterday's discussion at WP:PAIN (the one you removed). I'm willing to be as amicable as possible and he's continuing to push his POV. --Avg10:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have stopped to and will desist in the future. My new adopted term is Fyrom nationals, which is neutral, descriptive and unambiguous.--Avg13:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have not used any of those terms and NikoSilver and Avg have said they won't use "Fyromians" ever again. "FYROM nationals" OTOH is a legitimate term used by diplomats, so it can be used. FYROM nationals is not a personal attack. Edwy(talk)15:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]