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''Archived discussion for [[May 2010]] from [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates]].''

==May 31==
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===ITN candidates for May 31===

====Sayeed al-Masri====
Number 3 al-Qaeda leader reported dead. [[User:Marcus Aurelius Antoninus|Marcus Aurelius]] ([[User talk:Marcus Aurelius Antoninus|talk]]) 02:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support'''. [[Sayeed al-Masri]] is reported to have been killed in a [[Drone attacks in Pakistan|Drone strike]] in Pakistan ( and confirmed by [[Al-Qaeda]]).[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/31/AR2010053103617.html (<span class="ltr">WP</span>)], [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/31/afghanistan.qaeda.death (CNN)], [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world/asia/01qaeda.html (NYT)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 03:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' per my "cockroach" standard- no matter how many of these types get killed, there's always another one ready to take up the job.  I honestly couldn't see myself supporting anyone but the confirmed death of Osama himself. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 20:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Courcelles. Al-qaeda leaders get killed all the time, and usually no-one has even heard they'd taken over until their assassination is announced. Bin Laden would be and al-Zakalwi was big enough, but al-Masri isn't. Al-Zawahiri would be debatable. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

====Lahore attack update====
The gunman in custody has been attacked. [http://www.geo.tv/6-1-2010/65946.htm Geotv]. We can update the previous article.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Adding here bcz June 1 is not being created.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:: this belongs to the article talk page not here--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 03:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Agreed, and there's no chance of tweaking the existing blurb since it dropped off the Main Page with the shuffling around at midnight UTC. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  03:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok Shifting to talk-page.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

====[[May 2010 Quebec wildfires]]====
I don't know the last time we had a Canadian story (or more appropriately a [[Canadien]] one).  There's int'l interest here because the smoke from the fires is reaching as far as [[Boston]] and beyond.  Article needs work though.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 19:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====Philippine congressional elections====
Most of the party-list seats have been filled up so the remaining seats in the House of Representatives (around 25) won't change the outcome. The results of the Senate election was earlier known but I wanted to join into one blurb:
*The [[Liberal Party (Philippines)|Liberal Party]] '''[[Philippine Senate election, 2010|has]]''' a plurality of seats in the [[Senate of the Philippines|Senate]], while [[Lakas Kampi CMD]] '''[[Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2010|wins]]''' a plurality of seats in the [[House of Representatives of the Philippines|House of Representatives]] in the [[Philippines|Philippine]] [[Philippine general election, 2010|congressional elections]]."
For those who are looking, the updates are in the "Aftermath" section in each article. The result of the presidential election may come later this week or next week. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:The senate elections were announced way back on 18 May; when were the representatives announced? Barring date issues, '''support''' per ITNR. Bodies of the articles have been updated but their leads could do with a once-over. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::I was waiting for the at least 90% of the House of Representatives' seats to have declared winners. While most of the winning district representatives (80% of the seats) were announced the week proceeding the election, more than half of the party-list seats (20% of the seats) were declared today so I waited for the party-lists to have declared winners. Plus, I think the people here won't like an article about elections in the Philippines going up thrice. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 19:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Heyyyyyy anyone? For reference this should go below the Gaza flotilla item since this occurred first. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]'''
*'''Support'''. ITN/R. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 08:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy it's been over a day already what else has to be added so I can ask the Wiki fairies to do their magic. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 14:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:It looks good to me, this should go up now. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posting''' before the template gets even more stale. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

====[[Horst Köhler]] resigns====
[[File:Horst Köhler.jpg|right|100x100px|Horst Köhler]]
Should be on ITNR I think as German President. Will try to update. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. First German president to resign (post-war). --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 12:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

*We'd really need more on why he resigned! As it is, there's just the one sentence in the article - but if we can get this updated, it certainly deserves mentioning. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] | [[User talk:Shimgray|talk]] | 12:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:It had just happened when I discovered it. Now I have updated it. <code> [[President of Germany|German President]] [[Horst Köhler]] ''(pictured)'' resigns with immediate effect. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 13:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Posting. Maybe we should include the reason? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 13:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the reason is more important than the "with immediate effect". How about "etcetc. resigns following criticism of his comments about overseas military operations." [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': this is certainly ''not'' an ITNR event. In the case of an elected head of state (ie that applies to germany), ITNR lists the results of elections for the head of state, ''not'' the resignation of an existing one. As it happens, I '''support''' posting this, but on it's own merits. However I think the blurb really has to have some information about ''why'' he resigned, reading it at the moment my immediate reaction is 'so?' [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's not my understanding of ITN/R. I thought we were clear that all ''changes'' of head of state should go up. I agree that we should find a wording that summarizes the reasons for his resignation (the reasons are not in dispute, but it's a rather complicated affair). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::[[WP:ITNR]] lists 'The results of the elections for head of state'. Nothing about resignations or other changes. That may well be worth modifying (in which case [[WT:ITNR]] would be the place to discuss it), but as ITNR currently stands this item is not included. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::As far I as I know, [[WP:ITNR]] exists to automatically include, rather than automatically exclude, potential ITN blurbs. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Indeed so. You'll note I even !voted support. My point is you can't say 'support per ITNR' when it's not actually on ITNR. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Noted. Perhaps "any change in head of state ''permanently''" should be an ITNR, while temporary changes should be left off. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 19:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Both points are included in "the succession of a Head of State", which is exactly what has happened in Germany. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::No-one has succeeded yet; his replacement hasn't been decided. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
(←) Shouldn't the fact that [[Jens Böhrnsen]], as [[President of the Bundesrat]]  assumes the powers of the Presidency be mentioned?  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 04:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Christian Wulff]] is designated by the government to succeed Köhler (and is certain to win, unless there's a two-digit number of "faithless electors" from the government parties in the Bundesversammlung). So this fact might be added to the blurb. --[[User:Roentgenium111|Roentgenium111]] ([[User talk:Roentgenium111|talk]]) 20:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

====Israeli child-abuse claims====
I think a major study. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 08:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:So would you perhaps like to provide us with some information? Any information at all? Is there an article? Has it been updated? What's the significance of the story? [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Oppose''' I think this is the story he is referring to.  claims of abuse based on some affidavits from people who hate Israel[http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201053082239109343.html]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 15:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think we may update this article [[Defence for Children International]]. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 16:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====Reports of Israeli forces killing flotilla passengers==== 
* Eh - [http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-world/at-least-10-killed-as-israel-storms-aid-convoy-israeli-tv-20100531-wqcf.html 10] at the moment. I believe there are notable people, including Nobel Laureates and politicians on board, but even without them... :-( --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:*Let's wait on <s>better</s> more sources, and for the story to settle a bit. Wikinews is over [[wikt:Main Page|there]]. [[User:Prodego|<span style="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</span>]] [[User talk:Prodego|<sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk</sup>]] 05:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Obvious Support''' but wait. There were some notable Pakistani passengers also.<s> I think this might bring it in direct conflict with Pakistan after [[Yom Kippur War| 1973's war]]. Then the ratio was 2:0, what will be this time.</s> At least for the story to to develop. It's gone be tricky. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::What are you talking about?  This cryptic trolling by yousaf465 is getting stranger by the day. [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 06:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::: '''Comment''' would recommend cutting Yousaf some slack. The excessive [[Pakistan national energy policy|Power cuts]] and the never ending violence in Pakistan there has got to be stressful.  It is admirable that he still finds the dedication to log on to WP.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 15:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::: '''Comment''' Somehow I don't think Yousaf is logging in from Pakistan, no matter what it says on his or her profile. [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 16:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::And that isn't cryptic trolling? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
'''Support'''. but help me in expanding the article--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 05:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 08:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Um, what article is being updated here? -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 08:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Gaza flotilla clash]]. <small>[[User:Jacoplane|<span style="color:#AE1C28;">JACO</span>]][[User_talk:Jacoplane|<span style="color:#21468B;">PLANE</span>]] &bull; 2010-05-31 08:20</small>
* '''Support'''. This is a massive news story; it's all over the front pages of every news site this morning. Needs to be in ITN asap. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] ([[User talk:ChrisO|talk]]) 08:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
*Ten people killed in an '''[[Gaza flotilla clash|attack]]''' by the [[Israel Defense Forces]] on [[Free Gaza Movement|flotilla of ships]] in [[international waters]] in the eastern [[Mediterranean Sea]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Support as above. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 09:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Looks good to go. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 09:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 09:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Belated '''support'''. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 30==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 30}}
===ITN candidates for May 30===
====2010 Indianapolis 500====
The [[2010 Indianapolis 500]] should be complete within the next half-hour or so.  This race is on ITN/R [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 19:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:We need to fix ITN/R then! Also, this article is as ugly as sin. '''Support''' if it is properly updated. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::I have done a prose update as it's been an hour since the race finished and none of the indy fans have arrived at the article. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
*Well it's on ITN/R so... '''posting'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Do you have the balls to put something in the blurb about it being an all-British podium? :) --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If you can work it into a decent blurb. You get used to the cries of admin abuse! ;) [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I'll go against expansion in this direction. The winner is enough. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::The update looks a bit lacking to me - there's a good bit of prose, but no results table. And an in-principle '''support''' per ITNR. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Oppose''' until the article is ready. It is tagged. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::The article should be ready, dunno why the tag is still there. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I removed it.  I've seen shorter FAs.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 04:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
There should probably be some mention that it's his 2nd victory. [[Special:Contributions/169.233.38.156|169.233.38.156]] ([[User talk:169.233.38.156|talk]]) 11:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:How about " Scottish race car driver Dario Franchitti wins his second Indianapolis 500"? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::'racing driver' is probably a better phrasing that 'race car driver', which sounds odd to BrE ears. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It ("racing driver") sounds odd to me too... how was the Monaco GP worded? We can copy that. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think we avoided the issue by saying 'mark webber wins in a red bull car' [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Or probably use "Scotsman." I was going to say follow what you guys did earlier but I doubt if anyone knows IndyCar cars. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 19:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====Cure for [[Ebola]]====
Cure has been found for [[Ebola]] in monkeys and a human version should be available within 5 years.[http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/100528/science/science_ebola_treatment]
--[[User:Everyone Dies In the End|Everyone Dies In the End]] ([[User talk:Everyone Dies In the End|talk]]) 17:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 17:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - After reading the book, ''Hot Zone'', I'm extremely happy that they've gotten this close to getting the cure for humans. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 18:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' The reliable sources indicate this is very significant. I am adding updates at [[Ebola#Treatment]].--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::''Comment''. The original peer-reviewed paper appeared in ''[[The Lancet]]'' [http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2960357-1/abstract here]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This is a major breakthrough. [[User talk:Malke 2010|<font color="green">Malke</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Malke 2010|<font color="#0000FF">2010</font>]] 00:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:20, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:A potential cure? I thought this had to be fact? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:: It says it works on monkeys. So let's modify the blurb, the current one is not following the ITN conventions. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral'''. Remission in four monkeys and we post it on ITN? That seems a bit like jumping the gun to me. I don't have any reason to doubt the efficacy, and it's certainly an interesting item, so I won't oppose but I'm not convinced either. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

====''Pigeon held  for spying''====
Yes you are reading it correctly a pigeon is being for spying.[http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/national/pakistani-pigeon-held-in-india-for-spying-950 Pigeon held  for spying]. This reminds me of captain [[Blackadder]]'s shooting of a pigeon, and the subsequent court martial, which also represents the world after 9/11.  As candlewicke said earlier many of you might not have been born when this series was aired. For those of you who haven't seen it is located here [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF0aLelukM8&feature=related blackadder - shooting of the carrier pigeon]. So lets have some fun.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 08:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - Wikipedia is not an outlet for sensationalist news stories.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. a) this is frivolous and b) there's no article update provided. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' for April 1st next year, and that's it. :-) --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::This is the response I needed, not the above ones. Take every story on it's merit. ;) For more serious response see below. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====perfect pitch after 1880====
rest you know.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:Huh? No, I don't know what you're talking about. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 07:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::I believe he is talking about the perfect game that Roy Halladay threw yesterday. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 08:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I saw it live in the morning on ESPN. It was a night game I think. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 08:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::*'''Oppose''' Non-championship sporting records generally don't go up and another perfect game was thrown about less than a month ago. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 16:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::*'''Oppose''' There seems to be a surplus of trolling this week from user yousaf465, who supports a pigeon story and the perfect game but not the Lahore attack, which killed 100+, from being placed on ITN. [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 17:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let's try and focus on the nomination rather than the nominator please. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::*<sub>(edit conflict)</sub>'''Oppose''' Criterion insufficiency. Nomination history by yousaf465 seems somewhat worrying.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 18:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::[[WP:AGF|Assume good faith]]. [[Mark Buehrle]]'s perfect game was posted last year, I think, and Dallas Braden's generated a lot of discussion, so a nomination is not out of line. (These things usually only happen every five years or so -- don't know why there's been 3 in a year and two in a month.) -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::: As [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]]  a similar record was nominated/posted previously , that is the reason for posting this one. For Lahore attack I had some reservation which I expressed, I think that was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_2010_Lahore_attacks&action=historysubmit&diff=364818001&oldid=364817979 not without reason]. Previously I not only nominated such attack but also supported posting. I think this will clear any confusion. :) --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::What is wrong with making a nomination? There aren't usually ever enough. And there will be even less if the nominators are discouraged. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree entirely, Candlewicke; further, there have only been, what, 20 of these in 120 years?  Two in a month is a statistical anomaly we may never see again, so it was worth the nomination. I think a) a better nomination statement, at least linking to the pitcher's article and including the term "perfect game" would have started this one on a better foot, and b) the uniqueness of the timing is also its downfall as a claim to importance.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 15:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, I think the rare event here is not a perfect game, but rather the second perfect game in one month. That in itself could be ITN-worthy. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 15:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Tropical Storm Agatha (2010)|Tropical Storm Agatha]]====
Six people have already been killed by the storm, which was declared early today, and forecasts anticipate upwards of 20 inches (500 cm) of rain falling in El Salvador, Guatemala (including around the Pacaya volcano) and Nicaragua. The government in Guatemala is fearing that this will turn into a huge disaster, "the severity of the storm could overwhelm the State's response capabilities" - [http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/rc/20100529/mundo/tormenta-tropical-agatha-guatemala-201005291951.html] as well as dozens of other Spanish and English news sources. The storm has now also made landfall near the Mexico-Guatemala border. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 00:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
*Update- 12 people are confirmed to have been killed in Guatemala and 11 others are missing. [http://wireupdate.com/wires/5819/heavy-rains-brought-by-tropical-storm-agatha-kill-12-in-guatemala/] [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 02:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Support''' works for me
:: The article is well-developed, please suggest a blurb. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Suggested blurb: [[Tropical Storm Agatha (2010)|Tropical Storm Agatha]] triggers widespread flooding across [[Central America]], killing at least 83 people.
:::Latest info states 83 fatalities from the storm now [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gVWjsPEiqe1tEu2mhBIRaxxGi8owD9G1FIM85] [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 00:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Comment''' death toll now up to 16. 
[[User talk:Yellow Evan|Leave Message]], [[User:Yellow Evan|Yellow Evan home]] 12:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
*Another update- 23 people confirmed killed and 24 more are missing, countries affected are Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 17:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Support'''. In addition, the storm could make it into the Atlantic basin. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 21:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. This has been nominated for a fair while and there has been no rush to oppose it. There's a decent article on the subject and it seems to be affecting a lot of people in a lot of places, which is why I put it up despite the relatively week consensus. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Update'''. Now at least 102 killed, 41 missing. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks, I'll update the template. You'll probably get a faster response at [[WP:ERRORS]] if further updates are needed. :) [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Colombian presidential election, 2010]]====
Elections for President of Colombia - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 15:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:It doesn't look likely that any candidate will win the required 50% of the vote.  In that case the run of will be on 20 June - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 08:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:: In this case let us wait. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 29==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 29}}
===ITN candidates for May 29===

====[[Czech legislative election, 2010]]====
Results announced but it is not clear who will form government.[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127260763] Article needs some work. I will try. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
: Support when updated. If it is not clear who'll form the government, we usually go with "X party wins plurality in the election." --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I've updated it to the most recent results in the "Results" section. If we go with a blurb of that kind I would suggest "The [[Czech Social Democratic Party|Social Democratic Party]] wins a plurality in a '''[[Czech legislative election, 2010|legislative election]]''' in the [[Czech Republic]]". But for context it might be worth including a bit about how they're unlikely to form government (eg their leader has resigned). --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Looking at the results, we should work on the blurb a bit. Saying it will be hard for them to form the government is rather speculative though apparently obvious. Maybe better to mention that 5 parties entered the parliament with big parties suffering huge loss of votes? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::"... but its [[Jiri Paroubek|leader]] resigns citing a poorer than expected result" is the best I can think of (for now). --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: Sounds reasonable. Let's leave it for a couple of hours to allow some more ideas to appear and the article to grow. Then, posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''support''' electoral results are always ITN. Can mention who won a plurality even if not a majority.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 10:12, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::: The article is much better now, posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

::'''Support'''. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 14:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Eurovision Song Contest 2010]]====
The 55th contest is taking place tonight (well, now), being broadcast to a television audience of 125 million across the world. Winner to be announced in around two hours time. ([http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10154401.stm BBC])([http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilhDXvmcQJW-zopVNhqsnJgoc_CQD9G0K9700 AP]) - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 20:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:This is ITN/R, so presuming we get an update, '''support'''. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Naturally support''' - Romania will win. – [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 20:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Seems to be correct the exit polls, i'm disgusted. Germany will win? - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 21:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Support, the results will be there in around half an hour. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
*Germany have won the contest. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 22:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
: Now the article needs to be updated. Some prose in the intro will suffice for posting, IMO. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
*{{ec}} '''Support'''. Germany wins. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
**Looks like it has already gone up without any update or sourcing. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&curid=482256&diff=364923311&oldid=364913442] --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::: This should be fixed in a couple of minutes. I'd suggest expanding the blurb to mention the singer and the song name. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::We have a free image of the winner, if anyone wants to update the current picture. [[:File:Lena Oslo3 cropped.jpg]] - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 22:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, agree, I think we know what the coat of arms of Trinidad and Tobago looks like by now! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Already been done! [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:27, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Ooh, someone was quick. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 22:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe [[:File:Lena Meyer-Landrut01.jpg]] would be a better picture. [[User:EnemyOfTheState|<font color="#646060"><font face="verdana">EnemyOfTheState</font></font>]]<sub>|[[User talk:EnemyOfTheState|<font face="verdana"><font color="#800517">talk</font></font>]]</sub> 03:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

:One could add the fact that it's the first German victory since [[Eurovision Song Contest 1982|1982]]. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 13:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Ah, that's statistics, we don't feature statistics unless they are really special (which I don't think is the case here).--'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 13:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Huh? Why not? It's the first German win in 28 years, and second overall. Being German, I can tell you that ''is'' a notable stat. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 14:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Being a non-German, I can tell you that most certainly is NOT a notable stat. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:For a well-supported candidacy, the prose update for this blurb, was... minimal. And that says a lot. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::The suite of articles (on the song, artist and competition) were all in pretty decent shape, partly because of the national selection a couple of months ago. Given that the basic info on the song, venue etc. had already been added, it's hard to think what more information there can be than 'so and so won, with x many points, and here's a scoreboard'. The one unexpected event (stage invasion) has a prose update, albeit currently uncited. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah the articles are in better enough shape, but the "ITN rules" say that "the <u>update</u> must but a five sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) has generally been considered more than sufficient, while a one sentence update is considered extremely questionable." Now the update about the ''blurb'' per se on the article, not the side events such as the stage invasion, is only a single sentence. If only a single sentence can be added for everything that occurred in this event, I dunno why it's up there. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Dennis Hopper]]====
- Nom - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. A famous actor but not notable enough for ITN treatment. And his death was expected. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 18:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:In general, ITN only features obituaries for heads of state, former heads of state and other extremely important people. As a rule of thumb, most "celebrities" won't get on and nor should they in most cases. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:05, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry but Dennis Hopper is not a simple celebrity, he is a key figure in the history of cinematography, as a director, actor and generally as an artist. The LEAD of the article is simply not good enough at the moment to establish his importance, but I would say his notability is very high. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 22:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I agree that he was important enough within his field to meet that part of the guideline; ''Easy Rider'' alone warrants that. However, the guidelines also say that the death has to be "unexpected or tragic". I'm not sure what "or tragic" means, surely a death is always tragic for those closest to the diseased. But his death was certainly not unexpected; he was 74 and diagnosed with terminal cancer months ago. [[User:Lampman|Lampman]] ([[User talk:Lampman|talk]]) 23:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I've thought about this and was expecting to oppose but now I've changed my mind. After reading about him I would agree with Elekhh as he doesn't sound like a "simple celebrity". He seems very highly regarded internationally as an artist/actor/director/photographer and so on (I don't know how many careers this man had but the focus is certainly more on these than his personal life).
**He has obituaries by [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/entertainment/2010-05/30/c_13322950.htm Xinhua], [http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1992869,00.html ''TIME''] and [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/05/201053021921349512.html Al Jazeera].
**[http://www.france24.com/en/20100529-us-actor-counterculture-icon-dennis-hopper-dies France24] describes him as "an iconic big-screen emblem of US counterculture".
**[http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2010/jan/08/dennis-hopper-career-in-clips ''The Guardian''] describes some of the roles he had (they seem quite diverse) and [http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/gallery/2010/jan/07/dennis-hopper-life-in-pictures calls him] "one of the movie world's great outlaws".
**[http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2010/05/29/hopper-obit.html CBC] describes him as "the Hollywood elder statesman".
**[http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article7140190.ece ''The Times''] calls him an "icon of counterculture cinema".
**[http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/;kw=%5B36893,161103%5D ''Rolling Stone''] says he "put his fingerprints on a series of iconic, era-defining pictures".
The age and "expected death" has not counted against others in the past if they are important enough. Many have been diseased and much older than 74. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=340382649 J.D Salinger] is a good example of someone who was older (<span class="ltr">91</span>) and of an artistic nature. Who are the other top people in Hopper's professions whose deaths would feature on ITN? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
: Knock on wood, but how about [[Steven Spielberg]], [[Clint Eastwood]], [[Sean Connery]], [[Al Pacino]], [[Robert De Niro]], [[Jack Nicholson]], [[Michael Caine]] & [[Paul Newman]]?  IMO, Hopper doesn't cut it for ITN.  Might've been more supportive if he had died in an accident while filming and his death killed a high profile project. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:: What you're saying just demonstrates the Wiki article is not good enough to presents Hopper's notability. According to my readings he has a much stronger place in the history of cinematography than all those you mentioned. Particularly as a director you cannot compare him to "only" actors. Finally, I don't understand why premature, accidental or violent death would add to his notability. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 08:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Hmmm, the first name on my list is obviously not an actor. The second one is both a director and actor, and much more notable than Hopper in either role. BTW, it's not just based on the wikiarticles, but also my decades of watching movies. IMO, Hopper is notable but not ''that'' notable.  If you want a sports analogy, he would get a few votes to get to the Baseball Hall of Fame, but not enough to actually get voted in. Just my two cents. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: BTW, "premature, accidental or violent death" would ''not'' add to his notability, but add to the newsworthiness of the death.  A death of significance is more likely to get my support for ITN. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' per Elekhh. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 10:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''', not really notable enough IMO. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Support''' Not notable? He was an extraordinarily iconic cultural figure...and his manner of death is not important. ITN is ''not'' a news service. Train wrecks that effect hardly anyone go right in, but an iconic figure whose article is in decent shape is blocked. ITN is really losing the plot. [[User:RxS|RxS]] ([[User talk:RxS|talk]]) 18:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' A clear case where, whatever guidance suggests his death should not feature in ITN, that guidance should be ignored. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 18:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Neutral''' Frankly, the fact that still now, well after the event in Wikipedia terms, his article still has nothing to say about the reaction to, or impact of, his death other than the pure mechanics of it, carries more weight as to whether it should go up on ITN or not, than any subjective ideas about whether he really was in the top echelon of his field or not, which, when compared even to [[Jack Nicholson]] who is just one year younger, I am not so sure of at all. I could be persuaded to support if/when anybody writes a half decent paragraph to this effect, but as it is now, it's an oppose. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::He seems to be mentioned alongside [[Jack Nicholson]] in some of the sources so if Nicholson is notable enough then why not Hopper? And [[Paul Newman]] is already dead. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Nicholson won three Academy Awards, three BAFTAs, has an AFI Lifetime Achievement award. Hopper had exactly zero. Not to mention that Nicholson is the most nominated actor in the history of the Academy Awards and has received nominations in 5 different decades. That is not remotely an apt comparison. --[[User:Smashville|'''Smashville''']][[User Talk:Smashville|<sup style="color:#03F">talk</sup>]] 21:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::That's not remotely an apt way to measure the achievemenets of an "icon of counterculture cinema". --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 21:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also not an apt way to measure the volume of motor oil in a balloon. Neither one was what I was doing. --[[User:Smashville|'''Smashville''']][[User Talk:Smashville|<sup style="color:#03F">talk</sup>]] 21:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

====[[Pacaya]] eruption====
- The Guatemala Volcano causes 2 deaths [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/28/guatemala-volcano-pacaya-_n_593583.html] - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 13:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' except I would also mention the volcano erupting in Ecuador as well. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/latin_america/10189801.stm] I suggest the headline: The [[Pacaya|Pacaya volcano]] in [[Guatamala]] and the [[Tungurahua volcano]] in [[Ecuador]] [[volcanic eruption|erupt]], forcing thousand to evacuate.
::They are entirely unconnected events, so even if both are featured, they should have separate blurbs. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 15:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If they both erupt now couldn't we just mention in addition that they are separate events? __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 15:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That would work too, I guess. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 15:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Pacaya seems to have sufficient global coverage (it's near the capital), Tungurahua less so. Both articles need updating but, in principle, I support. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Support Pacaya, for now. Update required. Combining the blurb with the Agatha storm would be a nice thing to do. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Pacaya's update could use more sources, as well. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 28==
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===ITN candidates for May 28===

====Cancellation of [[External debt of Haiti]]====
Can't get any more international than this.  Article needs an update, though. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 07:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' once updated. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 07:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually now that I've put a short update in the article, I'm not sure. The value of the debt waiver was only $36 million. That's not exactly much. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 07:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', tiny amount actually cancelled in this event. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''(<span class="ltr">!</span>) Come on! :-( The amount depends on your perspective. Haiti wouldn't exactly refuse $36 million at this time. It is amazing how 36 million of anything could be considered a "tiny" amount. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::36 million US dollars isn't really that much. That's roughly the cost of one hospital, a supermarket's worth of stock, or for a worrying bit of perspective one major sporting star. In business or international aid terms, it's nothing. A larger debt than this was waived by Italy alone in the immediate aftermath of the quake, whilst. Approximately 100 times as much was pledged in post-earthquake aid according to our article, and that doesn't even include all the charitable appeals. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Deforestation in Indonesia|Moratorium on logging in Indonesia]] announced====
*Updated the article on [[Deforestation in Indonesia]] but could be further improved. I believe is a quite significant international agreement with global implications. [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/05/201052754340992340.html (Al Jazeera)], [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/world/asia/28indo.html (NY Times)], [http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/27/2910410.htm (ABC)], [http://www.norwaypost.no/news/deforestation-agreement-with-indonesia.html (The Norway Post)], [http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/03/09/%E2%80%98protected-forests%E2%80%99-now-grabs-mining.html (The Jakarta Post)] --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 04:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. It seems significant enough. It involves Norway. And it is $1 billion. And with 300 football fields of rainforests disappearing every hour in Indonesia this must be quite an important development. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. [[User:Thue|Thue]] ([[User talk:Thue|talk]]) 18:27, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', seems significant. However, the blurb needs to state this is a moratorium on ''new'' logging permits, not on all logging. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', an important step forward for improving the world's climate. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 14:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' Why hasn't this been posted? -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:*The update is three sentences long.  For me, that's why I haven't posted it. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 17:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::*Ditto. give me a paragraph and a blurb and I'll put it up if Brad doesn't beat me to it, but 3 sentences isn't sufficient. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. Suggested blurb: "[[Indonesia]] agrees to a [[moratorium]] on '''[[Deforestation in Indonesia|logging]]''' in the country in a [[letter of intent]] signed with [[Norway]] to curb [[palm oil]] production". ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 21:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Instead of the palm oil I would rather mention the $1 billion. This is a major precedent where a country pays a large sum to another country to avoid deforestation. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 23:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' with any blurb is about time to be posted. The article has been substantially improved over the last days. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 05:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 18:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Gary Coleman]] Dead====
He was quite famous so i will nominate him. i believe this will be big news at least in North America and any country where [[Diff'rent Strokes]] ran one time or another. He did make "What'choo talkin' 'bout" famous. Also this was an unexpected death -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 20:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Does not in my view meet the narrow criteria for deaths. I would call him a "very important figure" in his field. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Untimely death, but non-notable outside of his specific stardom.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 20:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Sad, but not ITN material. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Suppose'''. As an actor who attained fame as a child, and with the media focus that has been on him throughout, I think this nomination deserves the ITN spot. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 09:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Haha..! I meant to write "support". __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 15:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - don't think he was quite notable enough. Sad, though. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#660000;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 09:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong Oppose''' Does not reach the level of notability. Reporting deaths on ITN is rightfully reserved for heads of state/government and takes an extremely high level of notability if a person is not. [[Martin Luther King, Jr.]] would be notable enough. Gary Coleman most certainly is not. Save it for his blurb on Current Events. --[[User:Kitch|Kitch]] <sup>([[User talk:Kitch|Talk]] : [[Special:Contributions/Kitch|Contrib]])</sup> 14:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', not sufficiently notable. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

====Lahore attack====
Almost as close in count (though still ongoing) to today's India attack. ITN-worthy. although it is still ongoing and stuff will change, more sources will come in due course. After than (say a few hours) it should be ripe for ITN[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 10:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Noting special, unfortunately another one long series of such events. Saw it live. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 13:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:That seems quite a high death toll for such an event. I might support if someone were to write a decent article. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' - approx. same death toll as Indian train derailment. --[[Special:Contributions/92.19.110.236|92.19.110.236]] ([[User talk:92.19.110.236|talk]]) 13:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Oppose? omg--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually I'm concerned about the numbers of vandal edits it will generate, this attack is a really sensitive issue. It not just another attack which can posted without generating any controversy. First of all you can't call these place of worship as "[[Mosque]]" under the definition of Mosque. Pakistani media called it "[[Ahmadiyya]]'s place of worship. If we do it here they will complain and that will be just a tip of ice berg. You may compare it with Judaism vs Christianity issue. So I think we can leave it for the wikinews only. Avoid any controversial content on Main Page. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 15:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Vandalism is not a good motive for not posting something. If it was, we'd have to scrap the TFA altogether. Besides, it would be like giving into them and it can always be semi protected if need be. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::It not only the Vandalism, nor semi protection only will do, it such a controversial topic I think we should avoid on Main page. [[Abortion debate]]  ''might'' be close enough. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 16:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::User above insinuating implied fatwa. [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 20:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' [[May 2010 Lahore attacks]], but ''only'' after sourcing improves (i.e, URLs or titles must be provided for citations; it is not enough simply to identify the news outlet and the date). -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 17:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''  big attack. definitely ITN worthy--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 18:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. "Just" another terrorist attack, but a big one. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 23:26, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' given that the article has been improved and the nomination has near-unanimous support. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Attabad lake]] is going to spill over today====
So lets prepare the article. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It was going to spill over the other day. Can we refrain from nominating events that haven't happened? Especially when there's no guarantee it's even ''going'' to happen. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:21, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::At '''6 in the morning''' water was '''2 feets''' from the spillway, currently the time is '''8 in the evening''', so if estimates are correct it is just 4 inches from the spillway. It has already displaced a very large population. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 15:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*I checked the websites of CNN, the BBC, and Al Jazeera, and none had information on this event.  '''Oppose''' [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Although there was no need for links for these sites, I think local media has enough material on this, but anyway I found these [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8674915.stm Pakistan villages 'at risk' of lake flooding Dated Tuesday, 11 May 2010], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8686035.stm Pakistan Hunza lake 'to overflow within days' Monday, 17 May 2010] and for Aj [http://blogs.aljazeera.net/asia/2010/05/14/new-lake-threatens-havoc-pakistan New lake threatens havoc in Pakistan May 14th, 2010]. '''Update''' Lake is now overflowing form the spillway.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:*yousaf465 merely urges us to prepare for a likely ITN item. I did the same when the first ash clouds from Iceland started to approach Northern Norway, and perhaps some of you remember that we did mention that ash thing on ITN subsequent to that. On the other hand I also nominated Everybody Draw Mohammed Day preemptively which didn't make it. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 09:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

===='''[[2010 Gyaneshwari Express derailment]]'''====
*'''support''' as per such big terror attacks being ITN-worthy.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 04:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Nominated under yesterday's date. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It happened today (1:30am)([[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 06:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*Maoists blasted rail tracks in West Bengal, derailing 13 coaches of a train. Later, a goods train hits 5 of the derailed coaches, killing scores of people and injuring hundreds. This was the second attack on civilians by the rebels this month. The last one was the [[2010 Naugachia train derailment|Naugachia Incident]] [(Hindu) http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article440228.ece (Hindu)] ---- [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as the BBC are now reporting at least [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/10178967.stm 65 deaths].  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*The article is wrong. the main article is : [[2010 West Bengal Train Derailment]]. I recommend a merge of these articles.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tatiraju.rishabh|contribs]]) 07:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
**The article has been moved, and is now at [[2010 Gyaneshwari Express derailment]]. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' major story, and would certainly be worthy had it occurred in the US or Europe. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 07:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*:Can we please stop responding to biased arguments that no one makes? It certainly would be worthy no matter where it happened; no one has opposed this item, let alone opposed it because it didn't happen in the U.S. or Europe. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 09:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*::Can we please post things that happen outside the US and Europe as promptly as those that do. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 16:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*:::We do our best. As soon as we have an item with sufficient support and an update in accordance with ITN criteria and an admin is available to post it, it goes up. I try to make myself as available as I can, but I can't be on 24 hours a day. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*::::There are several steps for an item getting onto ITN. First, the event has to happen (May 27, 20:30 UTC). Then, someone has to nominate it (didn't happen until May 28, 04:12 UTC). Then people have to support it (first support didn't seem to come until May 28, 06:15 UTC). The article has to be updated somewhere in there, and then someone has to post it (came at 09:15, May 28). So, essentially, I posted it three hours after the first corroborating support. On the other hand, no one, including yourself, nominated the event until eight hours after it happened. No one, including yourself, supported it until two hours after the event was nominated. And you didn't lend your support until three hours after the event was nominated and 10+ hours after the event happened. ''But'', I got the item up within three hours of some decent support coming in. So... I'm not sure what you're complaining about. That ''is'' timely. And if the event had been nominated during the daylight hours of the UK or the US, I'm sure it would have gone up even faster. If there's a geographical problem here somewhere, it's that much of the Anglosphere was asleep when the item was nominated. But even that wasn't an issue, because it was posted within the acceptable amount of time that a non-ITNR event would be put on ITN. The geographical bias claims you're making here are demonstrably false. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 17:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*:::::The crash actually happened sometime in the middle evening UK time, late afternoon in USA - the delay is more down to the time it took for news of it come in if anything, due to it happening in the middle of the night local time and in the middle of nowhere. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*::::::Yes, I recognized that. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 00:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as above, as terrorism was involved it looks to be more ITN worthy than the recent derailment in China, which was posted. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 07:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Just another vote, otherwise it's quite obvious. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:49, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. make it quicker--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 08:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 09:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 27==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 27}}
===ITN candidates for May 27===

==== [[Boeing X-51]] sets record====
[[Boeing X-51]] an unmanned [[scramjet]] sets [[hypersonic]] speed record by flying at [[Mach number|mach]] 6 for 200 seconds.[http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gmPC1pS0uSI-lxwvqhe1FL1FvRyA (AFP)], [http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/0527/Scramjet-powered-X-51A-Waverider-missile-breaks-Mach-6-record (CSM)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 02:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

*Are you sure its a speed record? [[NASA X-43]] seems to have gone much faster. I believe the record here is 'longest', and that doesn't sound nearly as impressive, as this thing is meant to travel for an hour apparently, and the X-43 already went for 12 seconds. Given the testing program, there will be records like this all the time methinks. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 03:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:: the record was duration of the flight at hypersonic speed.  I took them 10 years to go from 10 s flight to 200 s flight.  methinks we wont have records like this all the time.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 13:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Gyaneshwari Express train bombing]]====
*15 dead, many more feared dead, in a suspected [[Naxalite]] train bombing, derailing an express sleeper which was then hit by a goods train. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 01:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' ITN worthy - good quick work with the article although suggest using a [http://news.google.com.au/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=au&cf=all&ncl=d_rHesGDBpKDk4MsK9LllZvNR6YyM few more sources]. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 01:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. The Russian theatre bombing is ready if anyone wants to post it. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

====Barack Obama adopts a new [[National Security Strategy of the United States|National Security Strategy]]====
Article needs some work but it seems to be a topic of international significance. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I don't see any evidence offered of international significance, and reading the article, it's a 'meh' from me. I'm sure that the international community isn't that surprised really, and it seems the media are far more interested in slamming him for not comforting in person the out of work fishermen down in old miss. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 22:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*Eh, "''national'' security strategy"? Therefore, opposing. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:first line in article says ''a document prepared periodically'', hence oppose. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 01:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Vanuatu earthquake]]====
7.2 magnitude earthquake - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Opppose''' The article and news sources don't say anything of interest has even happened yet. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 22:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Deepwater Horizon oil spill]] stopped? ====
According to the government official in charge, the oil has stopped spewing [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10174861.stm].  It may be diligent to wait for confirmation of some kind though (by BP or the Obama administration). [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 15:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. A close reading of the article indicates that this solution is not permanent and may fail over the next few days.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' It is a big and ongoing news story, but I don't think it deserves reposting. We would be featuring the same article as last time. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'll support, but only when there's a permanent solution and everyone's certain it's fixed. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'd support a sticky link for the oil spill until it disappears from the news. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 22:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

==== [[Apple, Inc.]] overtakes [[Microsoft]] ====
Pretty big business story. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10168684.stm BBC report: ''Apple passes Microsoft to be biggest tech company'']. [[User:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOWR</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:TFOWR|<span style="color:#f00">propaganda</span>]]</sup> 14:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::i would have supported if the numbers were based on revenue. these are based market capital hence share prices. which dont mean squat. volkswagen couple years ago became biggest company in the world because its shares jumped over 1k for few moments. a simple multiplication of share value doesnt show how big a company is... its always inflated for tech companies anyways '''oppose''' -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' a very big technology story, Apple and Microsoft have been rivals for years and for Apple to take the lead in market cap is impressive. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose''' Do we put this up every time shifts in the market reverse this?  They're close enough now- 3 billion USD before today, less now- that this could easily oscillate over the next month many times. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Support'''. No need to put this up every time (and nobody would suggest we do that). Just once per Eraserhead1. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 00:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Oppose'''. But if we publish it this one time, what would make it more significant than - say - Microsoft overtaking Apple about one year into the future?--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 05:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
{{outdent}}
Because Apple has been the underdog for 20 years, and 10 years ago was only worth $5 billion or something. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 07:21, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==== [[Tom Cruise]], Twilight saga win big in London ====
Tom Cruise poses for photographers with his Screen Icon award at the [[National Movie Awards]] at the Royal Festival Hall in London on Wednesday. The actor was presented with the award by Gwyneth Paltrow. [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 10:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Actors posing for photographers with awards is not newsworthy! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Come on, people. --[[User:Smashville|'''Smashville''']][[User Talk:Smashville|<sup style="color:#03F">talk</sup>]] 14:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Don't even try to bring that here.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*I'm not sure I understand this. Is it the photo? The award? The presenter of the award? The Royal Festival Hall? Or just because it is Tom Cruise? Either way I can see nothing to support at the moment. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

====Lee Dewyze wins the [[American Idol]] title.====
It was a very close contest but Lee Dewyze walked away with the American Idol title, beating fellow contestant Crystal Bowersox. Lee, a paint salesman, became the American Idol Finale 2010 Winner with 51% votes. [http://entertainment.oneindia.in/music/international/2010/lee-dewyze-american-idol-winner-270510.html (OneIndia)][[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 10:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. We don't feature domestic contests. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 10:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not supporting but I wanted to register my opposition to any kind of fixed rule like "We don't feature domestic contests." We have more readers in the US than in Europe, so if Eurovision gets on I don't think American Idol should be rejected out of hand. Nonetheless, Idol doesn't get the kind of attention it used to, so I won't support for now. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 22:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::I really don't see any similarity between a TV show and an international contest of any kind which has occurred annually for more than 50 years. The article on [[Eurovision Song Contest]] even states <code> "Eligibility to participate is not determined by geographic inclusion within the continent of Europe, despite the "Euro" in "Eurovision" — nor does it have any relation to the European Union. Several countries geographically outside the boundaries of Europe have competed: Israel, Cyprus, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan in Western Asia, since 1973, 1981, 2006, 2007 and 2008 respectively; and Morocco, in North Africa, in the 1980 competition alone. In addition, Turkey and Russia, which are both transcontinental countries with most of their territory outside of Europe, have competed respectively since 1975 and 1994.[<span class="ltr">26</span>]" </code> The inclusion of Russia in particular ought to solve any dispute between the two concerning population size and land area. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:::And all those countries put together contribute far fewer readers of this page than do the US and Canada. That's not to say Eurovision shouldn't go up, only that we shouldn't dismiss its closest North American relation out of hand. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
****Eurovision is a cultural icon with 50+ years; Idols are spam-driven from the broadcaster, the other thing is that only uncontracted people can do Idols. '''Oppose''' we don't need tons of Indian or Chinese Idol all over the place '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  00:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I '''oppose''' as it's not significant enough, however it compares with Eurovision; but I'd point out that the statement that 'we don't post domestic contests' is simply wrong--e.g. we post the Super Bowl.  Also, American Idol certainly has fans outside the U.S. so saying it's a mere domestic concern understates its significance.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 06:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah. International interest in this "domestic" contest is [http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/tv/simon-cowell-bows-out-of-american-idol-delta-goodrem-song-used-lee-dewyze-is-winner/story-e6frf9ho-1225872574136 way] [http://www.headlinerwatch.com/899/simon-cowell-american-idol-preview-finale.htm too] [http://www.malaya.com.ph/05282010/ent5.html under][http://story.argentinastar.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/88176adfdf246af5/id/640166/cs/1/ stated][http://story.zimbabwestar.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/dd8845aa60952db2/id/640166/cs/1/ .] &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 07:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I did the same search for "2010 Eurovision" in those same countries (replaced Ireland w/c participates in Eurovision with the U.S.) and [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=en_ph&hl=en&q=%222010+eurovision%22+location%3Azimbabwe I] [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=en_ph&hl=en&q=%222010+eurovision%22+location%3Aargentina came]  [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=en_ph&hl=en&q=%222010+eurovision%22+location%3Aphilippines up] [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=en_ph&hl=en&q=%222010+eurovision%22+location%3Aaustralia with] [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=en_ph&hl=en&q=%222010+eurovision%22+location%3Aunited+states this]. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 07:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe that is because the 2010 Eurovision song contest hasn't happened yet, Howard. Then again, best not to let the truth get in the way of a good argument... --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 18:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::i didn't know that the semifinal wasn't a part of the contest. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 02:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Just a reality show with declining ratings. Depending on the ratings results, may not even have been the highest rated results show ''that night''. --[[User:Smashville|'''Smashville''']][[User Talk:Smashville|<sup style="color:#03F">talk</sup>]] 18:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

====Russia Bomb Blast - [[2010 Stavropol bomb blast]] - ====
6 killed and 16 critically wounded in a bomb blast in [[Stavropol]], [[Russia]].[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64P48I20100527 (Reuters)], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/10169258.stm (BBC)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 08:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' when expanded. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::Article is now sufficient imo, but if i were to post it, I'd like to see a few more supports. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  19:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Eh, how likely is it that this will be noticed? Two days have passed. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. It is definitely time to start demanding the existence of ITN valid content before nomination - never mind evidence of international significane, this 'article' is ''two sentences long'' and has not even been touched in ''over 12 hours''. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 23:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe it has not been touched because it is not very visible? Hopefully it is more valid now, though it might not have been if it hadn't been nominated here. '''Support''' because it is an unusual incident, on a theatre in an area which is not used to such bombings. <code> At least 7 people die and at least 40 others are injured after '''[[2010 Stavropol bomb blast|a bomb explodes]]''' before a performance in [[Stavropol]]. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

====Another extinction====
Another victim of Iraq war, [[Iraqi Airways]] will be classified as extincted form now onwards. Saddam had it at least running. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. We don't generally run airline bankrupcies, as they are far too common. You would need to show some sort of global significance for this to go up. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I would say [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7658857/First-flight-from-Baghdad-to-London-in-20-years-ends-in-farce-with-plane-impounded.html this] and [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10162501.stm this] is ample evidence that this was no ordinary or run of the mill airline failure. And it unsurprisingly getting cross continental news coverage. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 13:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::The article to update would be [[Iraq–Kuwait relations]] which is, at the moment, pathetic. I stand by my opposition. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:::They are all pathetic, at least the ones that haven't been dragged kicking and screaming through Afd anyway, only to emerge the other side resembling just a laundry list of trivia. Most of these relations articles have only been created recently, by one editor, and not for any reason that they were needed, and it frankly really shows in most of them. Argentina - Britain is an other chuckle-fest of 'wtf is this?'. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 23:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[TV Brasil Internacional]]====

*[[Brazil]]ian [[President of Brazil|President]] [[Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva]] ''(pictured)'' launches '''[[TV Brasil Internacional]]''', a [[Portuguese language]] television station aimed at 49 African nations. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:16, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak oppose'''. A new TV station is not really newsworthy. I realise that TVBI is meant to become the next Al-Jazeera, but it's a bit [[WP:CRYSTAL|CRYSTAL-balling]] to say that it will. Until then, it's just another international TV station, of which there are dozens. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Targetted at half of Africa, that's pretty ambitious and encompassing without the need for speculations. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Propaganda stations like [[Vietnam Television|VTV4]] are nothing out of the ordinary. These ones are always free and you can catch them with a strong antenna, so 1 or 200 countries, it is nothing remarkable '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  00:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 26==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 26}}
===ITN candidates for May 26===
====[[Alaotra Grebe]] is extinct====
The [[Alaotra Grebe]], a [[grebe]] [[endemism|endemic]] to [[Madagascar]], is declared extinct. ([http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8702000/8702598.stm BBC]) The article has been updated, but not significantly expanded. I think this is worth posting (the last confirmed extinction of a bird species was in 2008) once the article is expanded more. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 19:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Excellent choice for an ITN. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' All mammal and bird extinctions should go on ITN. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 20:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support''', this is a type of encyclopedic news that is fit for ITN. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Concur with above. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posting''', but it would be nice if someone could add a little more detail than "it's extinct". I think that's outweighed by the staleness of ITN, though. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:One more '''support''' (just in case). An extinction is a good enough reason. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support''' for the story, but '''strong oppose''' for an article with so little new materials added to it. Would've preferred that we waited till after the article has grown a bit more. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

====''Atlantis'' completes final mission====
*[[Space Shuttle]] [[Space Shuttle Atlantis|''Atlantis'']] completes '''[[STS-132|its final scheduled mission]]''' after landing at [[Kennedy Space Center]], [[Florida]].
**Ends of manned space missions are typically notable enough, this one even moreso. --[[User:Kitch|Kitch]] <sup>([[User talk:Kitch|Talk]] : [[Special:Contributions/Kitch|Contrib]])</sup> 16:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. There are two more scheduled final launches and landings, all for this year, and it is not even a certainty that this was this Orbiter's final mission. At this rate, nobody is actually going to give a monkeys when the final final mission happens. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', because we already posted the fact that it was the final mission when it was launched last week. No need to post it again. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' The Space Shuttle era is coming to an end. Let's salute it 'til it's all gone. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 20:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Oppose''', let's mention it when the last shuttle completes the mission. Atlantis was mentioned at the launch already. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 25==
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===ITN candidates for May 25===
====[[Surinamese legislative election, 2010]]====
Parliamentary elections in Suriname - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 15:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:Article is obviously sub-par at the moment, I will attempt to take a look at it some time today.  Don't know when the results will be out yet - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 09:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::Preliminary results show former dictator [[Dési Bouterse]] winning a plurality of seats.  No news on when final results are to be expected - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 19:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Results are [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Surinamese_legislative_election,_2010&diff=364517968&oldid=364352195 in] now. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[North Korea]] is to [[2010 Korean crisis|cut all relations]] with [[South Korea]]====
Pyongyang's official news agency reports that the North was also expelling all South Korean workers from a jointly-run factory north of the border. South Korea says it plans to refer North Korea to the UN Security Council, and is seeking a unified international response to the incident. ---- [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 15:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10156834.stm ---- [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 15:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:The source has problems, it's not a single factory.--[[User:Nutriveg|Nutriveg]] ([[User talk:Nutriveg|talk]]) 15:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[2010 Korean crisis]] - we need a new article. Those developments can't go all into the sinking article--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 16:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::: How about updating/expanding [[North Korea – South Korea relations]]? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 00:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That article should cover a lot of ground... and considering its current state, it would require a lot of work to get it up to ITN standards IMHO. I like DAI's idea. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 02:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

====Severe [[heat wave]] sweeps [[Maharashtra]], [[India]]. 28 deaths reported.====

At least 28 deaths were reported in Maharashtra as temperature reach 50 degree Celsius. ---[[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 14:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 
====[[Air India]] services halt as workers strike====

13,000 Air India workers strike halting all services. All domestic flights after 12:00 IST (UTC+5:30) have been cancelled. All except some international flights of [[Air India Express]] have been cancelled. Air India officials say that soon the conditions would get better and the services will run smoothly.The strike woke up after the recent [[Air India Express Flight 812|Mangalore Air Crash]] -- [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 13:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Industrial disputes are not uncommon by any measure- the same thing is currently happening to British Airways. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Kingston unrest]]====
Deaths are reported in [[2010 Kingston unrest|'''fighting''']] in [[Kingston, Jamaica|Kingston]], [[Jamaica]], as authorities try to arrest [[Christopher Coke]], an alleged [[drug lord]].--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 12:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the BBC has just reported that at least 27 civilians have been killed there [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/latin_america/10156140.stm]. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is a pretty major government operation taking place. --[[User:Kitch|Kitch]] <sup>([[User talk:Kitch|Talk]] : [[Special:Contributions/Kitch|Contrib]])</sup> 18:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:For the record, this can't go up with that orange tag on it. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well it's not postable anyway atm- it needs expanding and I'm sure the sourcing issues will be addressed with that. I took the yellow tag off though. Then got annoyed with it and sent it to TfD! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - article still needs work but seems to have been expanded with more sources. [[User:Scanlan|Scanlan]] ([[User talk:Scanlan|talk]]) 21:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is looking a lot better, and the situation continues to be in the news as the siege continues. [[User:Random89|<span style="color:#3B9C9C;">Random</span>]][[User Talk:Random89|<span style="color:#F87217;">89</span>]] 00:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Hopefully I have improved it further. <code> At least 44 civilians are killed and at least 37 others are wounded during '''[[2010 Kingston unrest|unrest]]''' in [[Kingston, Jamaica|Kingston]], [[Jamaica]]. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

====warsaw floods====
'''oppose''' already had a c. Europe on the ITN page, and its also not news if they "prepare" for anything. nothing had happened.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 06:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

==== Train Derails in [[Naugachia]], [[India]]. No fatalities reported.====

A train derails in [[Naugachia]], India. No fatalities reported. Train derailed as the driver applied emergency brakes after he heard a loud explosion. 14 coaches of [[Delhi]]-[[Guwahati]] Rajdhani Superfast Express derailed. - [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 08:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Main Article: [[2010 Naugachia train derailment]] - [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 08:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

: '''Oppose''' unless there's some major new development in this story it's closer to AfD than ITN. [[User:Ed Cormany|—Ed Cormany]] ([[User talk:Ed Cormany|talk]]) 10:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose''' India has the world's largest rail stock and it also has disproportionally many accidents. This seems like a minor incident. We even had a similar derailment here in Norway during the last week which no one has even bothered writing a Wikipedia article about. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 10:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose'''. Very minor incident. Nominated for deletion, see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Naugachia train derailment]]. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 24==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 24}}
===ITN candidates for May 24===

====Egyptian archeologists unearth 57 ancient tombs====
[http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/ancient-egyptian-tombs.html Discovery], [http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=dbA3qpPESaqkdkME12_REfvgyJoVM Google News]-- I can't find an article but it seems to be an interesting find and might be an interesting history-related posting.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
: [[Lahoun]]?  I can't find the article, either. [[Faiyum]], [[Faiyum Oasis]] and probably [[Second dynasty of Egypt]] could use some new materials, I suppose. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

====[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10144059.stm South Korea halts trade with North Korea]====
As a development on the sinking of the [[ROKS Cheonan]] the South has frozen trade.  Trade between the two is responsible for 13% of the North's GDP ($1.68 billion).  The measures have been described as "about as tough a response as the South could take, short of military action", Japan is also considering sanctions.  [[Foreign_relations_of_South_Korea#Economic_relations]] would seem to be the place but that article is poor, perhaps there is somewhere else? - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - [[Trade embargo]]s are a big deal, and as you said, it's the most severe sanction that can be imposed short of an invasion. Knowing that North Korea vowed war in response to punishment, this could unfold into some greater calamity.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 14:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''.  The are massive interests in S Korea that suffer from any flair up in intra-peninsular relations (the stock markets suffer, Korean currency is hit, etc).  Thus a major action by S Korea is a big deal.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 14:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
My suggestion:
*[[South Korea]] [[embargo|suspends all trade]] with [[North Korea]] as a response to the '''[[ROKS Cheonan sinking|sinking]]''' of the [[ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772)|ROKS Cheonan]].
The [[ROKS Cheonan sinking#Reaction|"Reaction" section]] of the bolded [[ROKS Cheonan sinking]] article is the obvious place to put it IMO, but it needs to be updated first. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 15:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''' this is a strong response from South Korea that could lead to something really big. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 18:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} I'm not seeing much of an update... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

It's "most" not "all" the [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQydsIWmNQZpwRriADac51u5rx8gD9FTB3OG0 Kaesong industrial area] near the DMZ that's excluded from this.--[[User:Nutriveg|Nutriveg]] ([[User talk:Nutriveg|talk]]) 18:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I've put an updated in [[ROKS Cheonan sinking#Reaction]]. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::Note for posting - none of the reliable sources say that "all trade" has been suspended so we can't say it in the blurb. I would suggest something like "South Korea restricts trade with North Korea and announces joint naval training exercises with the United States in response to the sinking of the [[ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772)|ROKS Cheonan]]." --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
*Update looks good, so '''posting'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  19:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} '''Support''' as above. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 19:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
*Er... '''posted'''. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 19:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

====Attabad lake going to overflow in a few days/ hours time====
My third nomination in a single day. The lake is going to overflow any time soon, we don't have article yet, but it is a major disaster in making. A large number of people have been displaced. [http://www.google.com.pk/search?q=attabad%20lake&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn Google news] --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 08:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
*I would like to support the news for [[Attabad lake]] but there is not even an article for this newly created natural lake. I think this newly created natural lake on January 4, 2010 should have had an article by now. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 10:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
**I have started the article for the same. Maybe you can join in and add some more stuff to make it ITN-ready. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 10:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Wait''' till the lake actually bursts ( but get the article ready)--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I'm not so sure we should wait. May 27 is the predicted date the dam will yield. This is probably a news story people will want to follow from now and until the breach. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::Article needs to update, anyone interested may contact me for any info required. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 16:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' nothing's happened.  Wait til something happens that most people care about.  This isn't [[Lake Michigan]] or [[Lake Como]] bursting.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 17:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. As I keep repeating, 'going to' is NOT a story. Wait until something actually happens. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::That is what we are saying, prepare the article and then wait for it's bursting, although it's not [[Lake Michigan]] already it has displaced enough people. It been regarded as major disaster here.  --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:It is not correct that nothing has happened. Dozens of upstream villages have already been inundated. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 10:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''FFS''' if you have reliable info the add it to the articles! at present, there is minimal WP content to flag on the main page. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Trinidad and Tobago general election, 2010]]====
*Seems like a no-brainer for ITN, as long as the article gets properly updated with official voting data (not exit polls) and some referenced prose on the outcomes.  (Ditto for yesterday's [[Ethiopian general election, 2010]], but someone should work on it.) --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''strong support''' as per the 3 elections yesterday too. Although the Philippines elections for some reason was overlooked. Really that hould be up there too.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 22:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::The "official" result for the Philippine election will be known at mid-June at the latest. It's almost certain that there'll be a good enough update by then. This was what I was talking about when I said that will take a long time before the result would be known.  &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 16:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not about support, it's about having an article of sufficient quality. Once the results are in and the article is adequate, it's almost certain to go up, but it won't go up if nobody updates the article. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Hence my post here, hoping to get the attention of editors interested in current events-related wikiarticles.  PM [[Patrick Manning]] has conceded defeat, and [[Kamla Persad-Bissessar]] is slated to take office as the <u>first female PM of T&T</u>. This story should be ITN material. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes OK, it does need an update though before it can go on the Main Page. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::With the first Trinidadian female Prime Minister, this is probably more notable than the Dominican election. But the article definitely requires at least a table typically found in legislative election articles with vote totals and changes by party. --[[User:Kitch|Kitch]] <sup>([[User talk:Kitch|Talk]] : [[Special:Contributions/Kitch|Contrib]])</sup> 18:15, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I've done an update so it might be ready to go up. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::Do you happen to have a blurb in mind? -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 21:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::How about... "The [[People's Partnership]] wins a '''[[Trinidad and Tobago general election, 2010|general election]]''' in [[Trinidad and Tobago]]; [[Kamla Persad-Bissessar]] is set to become the country's first female [[List of Prime Ministers of Trinidad and Tobago|Prime Minister]]." The catch is that she doesn't become Prime Minister until she's sworn in, but the sources are happy to say she has been "elected". --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:17, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 21:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

====Asian Baseball Cup====
Final is taking place between Pakistan and Hong Kong. Rest is gibberish to me. [[User:Howard the Duck]] understands better.[http://baseballdeworld.com/2010/05/22/pakistan-eyeing-asia-baseball-cup-crown/ BaseballdeWorld]--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 06:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
: ''Oppose'' as this is not a premier event in the world of baseball. For ITN, let's stick with the [[World Series]], the [[World Baseball Classic]] and maybe the [[Baseball World Cup]].  Where's the wikiarticle, anyway? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::Can't say anything, don't know more. Should I create one similar to [[Asian Baseball Championship]] ? . --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You'd know it's a crappy tournament if an Asian baseball final didn't include teams from among Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 10:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Oppose''' Can't add anything to the above. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 10:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Oppose''''.  My first thought was Howard's.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Hey at least it's more "international" than the "World" Series... ;) &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 13:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::: At least the World Series is actually a top-tier event in baseball.   Considering the players' nationalities instead of the teams' addresses, the World Series is more international than the Finals in the *National* Basketball Association. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 19:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Gotta blame the [[Boston Celtics|Celtics]] for having an all-American roster. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::: Gotta love the [[Toronto Raptors#Current roster|Raptors]] for having 3 European starters! --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yeah but they suck so bad they haven't even reached the Conference Finals so they can't be at the "N"BA Finals... &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::: The [[Philadelphia Flyers#Current roster|Flyers]] suck, too, but they're going to the [[2010 Stanley Cup Finals|"N"HL Finals]]! --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 04:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::: I think teh Flyers have more Canadians than Americans on their roster so for the non-initiated that seems international. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

====Australia gets into action====
Expels diplomats on charges of passport forgery.[http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/israeli-diplomat-to-be-kicked-out-of-australia-over-passport-forgery-row/story-e6frf7jo-1225870510101 Herald Sun].[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64N0EW20100524 reuters] --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' As happy as I am to see this decision made, it's not in my view significant enough to ITN. Asking Israel to withdraw ''a'' diplomat is fairly low down the "we're angry with you" scale of diplomatic messages. It's not like the ambassador was kicked out. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 03:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be turning into [[Lillehammer affair| Lillehammer affair II]]. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' certainly not ITN worthy. diplomats getting expelled is not that notable.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::Comment:' [[Spy|Diplomat]] ' ?, what [[Diplomat]]? Not exactly the [[Petrov Affair]] is it? '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 20:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)'''
*'''Oppose''' Token gesture. Countries withdraw their own ambassadors all teh time '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  00:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 23==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 23}}
===ITN candidates for May 23===

====[[Nagorno-Karabakh parliamentary election, 2010]]====
:'''support''' as per all election results on the front page. if little mauritus/maldives gets on then these little states too. (with the results obviously) [[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 21:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Non-recognized country.  The ''only'' partially-recognized states I'll support are the Republics of [[Republic of China|China]] and [[Republic of Kosovo|Kosovo]]. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Not sufficiently recognised as independent to warrant ITN treatment. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'd like to note that a Maldives one went up because they were the first democratic elections since the country gained independence. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 22:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Never mind the fact that both the Maldives and Mauritius are widely (universally?) recognized as independent countries. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. It thinks it is independent and who am I to argue. "More than 70 international observers are supervising the polls" and there is enough interest for several countries to call it "illegal". [http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/05/23/8314608.html Source] --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::By the way, what is the reason for supporting the Republics of China and Kosovo but not others (out of curiosity)? :-) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I can't speak for BJB, but in my view: Taiwan is massive and its elections always get significant international coverage; and Kosovo's independence is well-recognised internationally.--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 01:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Ah but Kosovo declared independence only two years ago and is not recognised by a significant proportion of the world, including several states in the [[European Union]], several states in [[NATO]] and one of its neighbours. ROC is recognised by even less. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Mkativerata got it pretty well.  Kosovo is recognized by three of the permanent five UNSC members, the Republic of China is de facto recognised by most major countries, though it is with a wink and a nod to please the People's Republic. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Does Wikipedia favour the UNSC? What is the definition of a major country and what is the alternative? I am missing why [[de facto]] applies in certain cases and [[de jure]] in others and who decides this. Perhaps there is a lot of winking and nodding? ;) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Nagorno-Karabakh is actually recognised according to [[list of states with limited recognition]]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::It is recognised by one other "state", Transnistria, which isn't independent itself. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 01:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::But Transnistria declared independence 20 years ago and is itself recognised. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Only be two, also barely-recognized states. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:09, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::The two that recognise Transnistria are themselves recognised by (among others) Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Nauru. Russia is certainly quite big (particularly if one considers Taiwan as "massive" - though I am not sure if this was a geographical reference by Mkativerata) and it's quite a bit bigger than Kosovo. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::IMHO the bigger distinction is both Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh are "Recognized by UN non-members only" regardless of who those UN non members are recognised by. Personally I would have no problem listing all "UN non-members recognized by at least one UN member". I'm actually not opposed to listing this either (I'm somewhat a believer in recognising the reality regardless of whether it is a good thing, e.g. thats one of the number of the reasons I support naming the article Myanmar not Burma) but IMHO there's a clear distinction between this and Kosovo, Taiwan and others like Abkhazia, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, South Ossetia, Northern Cyprus and the Palestinian Authority. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 12:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

This debate reveals the ludicrousness of trying to determine what is news based on fixed rules, like "national elections are always newsworthy." The fact is, the article is crummy, there is very little interest among Wikipedia readers in the subject matter, and this election will get hardly any coverage in Anglosphere media. Whether this entity is a real country is not the issue. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 02:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' - non-recognised state, poor article, no widespread international interest. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Cannes Film Festival]]====

Thai film [[Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives]] wins the [[Palme d'Or]]. This is [[WP:ITN/R]]. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Plus, it's the first Asian movie to win the Palme d'Or since 1997. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 20:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as above. Its a good news story too. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} a bit more prose would be nice. There's currently a short paragraph just before all the tables start, if that could be expanded (and possibly put in its own section) then it should be postable. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:I've added some more prose and separated into its own section. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Looks OK to me. I suppose a free image would be overly optimistic? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::We have an [[:File:Apichatpong Weerasethakul.JPG|image]] of the film's director, but it isn't really usable due to quality.  Nothing else I can find. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::(<span class="ltr">ec</span>) I suppose we could use the release poster for the movie under fair use but I wouldn't know where to get that. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::We can't use fair-use images on the main page, sorry. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Don't apologise, I think that's a good thing. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I quite like that image- I think the low quality makes it strangely artistic- so I cropped it and put it up. I prefer it to having a picture of a trophy up there anyway, but if it's no good, I can switch back. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::The image looks good: it is rubbish in its full size but is quite ok when cropped. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::That proves what rubbish my eyes are.  That actually looks good at 100px. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Dominican Republic parliamentary election, 2010]]====
The final results came in yesterday with the [[Dominican Liberation Party]] winning a majority in senate and the lower house.  The article could use some more prose, I'll try to add some later today - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 10:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as [[WP:ITN/R]]. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Blurb: "The [[Dominican Liberation Party]] '''[[Dominican Republic parliamentary election, 2010|retains a majority of seats]]''' in the [[Senate of the Dominican Republic|Senate]] and [[Chamber of Deputies of the Dominican Republic|Chamber of Deputies]] of the [[Dominican Republic]]"? - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 21:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::How about "increases its majority" - perhaps a bit more informative. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
*I'm prepared to post this per ITN/R, but any chance of one more person commenting- especially on the vlurb- before I do so? [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
**Well, I just got an edit conflict saying I was going to post it. It would be nice to get the words "general election" in there, but I can always tweak it after it goes up once I've thought of a better way of doing it! Just for the record, '''support'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
***Posted- I tried to get those words in there.  Tweak to your heart's content. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::(Sorry because I suggested it) Should "increases its majority" be "increases its majorities"? --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::You're probably right, I'll tweak it that way.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::"increases its majority" -- could we change the main page because ''majorities'' doesnt make sense. [[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 22:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the plural is required here. The government has two majorities: one in the Senate and the other in the Chamber of Thingies. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

====Cargo Ship MV Dubai Moon sinks in Gulf of Aden====
: Moved to [[#ITN candidates for May 21]]. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Fuzhou train derailment]]====
A passenger train derails in China - at least 10 deaths, scores are injured in critical condition. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10143258.stm] - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 06:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:<s>'''Weak oppose'''</s>. Doesn't seem particularly ITN-worthy to me but others might let us know if derailments of this kind are regularly included. In other news, a bus crash in China killed 32 people.[http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/05/201052345333149480.html] --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 07:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' the [[Halle train collision]] and [[2010 Merano train derailment]] were posted on ITN, and according to [[List of rail accidents (2000–2009)]] its the most serious rail accident, in terms of passenger deaths, in China since [[2008_China_Railway_train_T195_accident|2008]] and the second most serious since 2000. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 08:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' if the examples above went up this should too. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 08:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Definitely. The one in Washington killed only four people and was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=298019720 included]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 09:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:No problems posting it, but as is, it is currently too short.  Can it be expanded more?  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 09:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Done. <code> A passenger train travelling from [[Shanghai]] to [[Guilin]] '''[[2010 Fuzhou train derailment|derails]]''' in a mountainous area near [[Fuzhou]], [[Jiangxi]]. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 10:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::You've got the piping to the city wrong - it should be: <code> A passenger train travelling from [[Shanghai]] to [[Guilin]] '''[[2010 Fuzhou train derailment|derails]]''' in a mountainous area near [[Fuzhou, Jiangxi|Fuzhou]], [[Jiangxi]]. </code>. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 10:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Great catch.  '''Posted'''. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 10:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Um... the layout of the article is a bit odd. There are seven consecutive one-line paragraphs (consisting of one sentence or two very short sentences each). Sure, the article is long enough, but it doesn't look like an article at all. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 10:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the last couple edits have taken care of that, but if you want to remove it, I won't object. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 10:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've made some further improvements along those lines. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 10:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think it's okay now. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 10:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
{{outdent}}
For grammar shouldn't it be Jiangxi province rather than just Jiangxi? -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 12:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
: If there's a need to disambiguate from "Jiangxi the city", or "Jiangxi the waterfall", etc., maybe. But I won't call this a grammar-related issue. And I think the blurb in MainPage is OK as is. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Ethiopian general election, 2010]]====
Being held today. Nominate for posting once it is confirmed whether the government has been returned or defeated. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 06:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''', when a referenced results section of prose is added. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 21:55, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''support''' ditto spencer[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 21:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' too. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' once the article is updated with the results [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Note''' The chairman of the election board has announced that the government has definitely won the election. Final results won't be announced until late June [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iSHBg7py9zNwB1BSHa7FAZgD32lwD9FTD8L80]. I'm not sure what the precedent is here, but I don't think waiting for full results is warranted. ALl reliable sources are saying the government has won. What is newsworthy is that the government won the election and the article has been updated accordingly. Although I do think waiting a fewmore hours wouldn't hurt as the BBC etc are still saying the government "won" in inverted commas so they're hedging their bets. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Football League Championship play-off Final|"The biggest windfall in global sport from the outcome of a single event"]]====
I saw this item in the portal, wondered why it was there and on further examination [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article7134027.ece Times Online] suggests this is generates more money than the Champions League (now on the Main Page) and the World Cup.

<code> "That outstrips any previous prize on offer to a team or individual from a football match, including the Champions League final or World Cup final, any boxing match, horse race, golf tournament or tennis event, or any single event in the major sports in America, home to four of the world’s richest sports leagues". </code>

This sounds astonishing to me. That it is the most lucrative game in one sport maybe but all sports? America? "£88m guaranteed [...] in the worse-case scenario". Can that ''possibly'' be accurate? I am unable to locate the catch here - there must be one somewhere. [http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/reality-dawns-in-golden-glow-of-16390m-windfall-1980572.html ''The Independent''] calls it "the most lucrative game in the history of British sport" and says a quarter of a town's population was there. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you're a real estate agent and you;re selling me a shanty, I'd think you'd be selling me a  castle. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 01:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

*The Times lays it out pretty clear - with the new TV deal, the new parachute payments, the increased revenues etc., this one win is notionally worth this amount 'guaranteed', although accrued over a few years. I do doubt Bloomfield Road's capacity for the prawn sandwich brigade, and Olly seems a bit of a hippy and was actually wanting to lower ticket prices, but they aren't the big chunks. The reality is though, the nature of the league is that, for any club not in it for the mere money, is that most if not all is already spoken for. Realistic scenario, they could spend £40 over the season and still not be sure of staying up. At worst, they will blow it on doubling the size of their stadium, only to still get relegated and never see the ROI, or chase the dream and end up [[doing a Leeds]]. But is absolutely not realistic though to even begin to compare it to say Roger Federer's one match prize pot - for one, that will not be his only revenue that year as a consequence of winning, what with endorsements etc., plus, he does not basically have to spend 95% to even have a chance of staying at the same level next year. When you think of what Schumacher et al. actually earn, as one person, they clearly have in relative terms, much more riding on single outcomes. Anyway, this is ITN, you have about as much chance of this being posted as if you had just told the simple truth - it should go up because it was simply a better game to watch than that overhyped rubbsh that is the Champions League, and Olly is a one of a kind lunatic. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 02:27, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:Eh... so are either of those a support or an oppose? I genuinely don't know what to think. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::I guess he means that "The biggest windfall in global sport from the outcome of a single event" isn't worth it since at worst you'll get bankrupt and at best you'd lose everything that you've won? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. I Like the sales pitch but its just a promotion playoff. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 06:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Mkativerata.  In terms of football, this isn't very important. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 10:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 IIHF World Championship]]====
[[Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team|Czech Republic]] [[2010 IIHF World Championship#Gold medal game|'''wins''']] in [[Ice Hockey World Championships|ice hockey worlds final]] in [[Germany]] when defeats [[Russia men's national ice hockey team|Russia]] 2–1. [[Sweden men's national ice hockey team|Sweden]] takes third place beating [[Germany men's national ice hockey team|home team]].--[[User:Sevela.p|Sev]][[User talk:Sevela.p|ela]][[Special:Contributions/Sevela.p|.p]] 22:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Nom''', as soon as the finale ends. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 19:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:I would support this item, but it was decided that the World Championship would not go on ITN in Olympic years. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 20:29, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''strong support''' if the european soccer championship (CL + UEFA Cup) can go on then this is certainly bigger. (and even before the above windfall comment[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 21:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC))
:::I wonder if it would be possible to post this due to its (somewhat) surprising result. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 22:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Suprising or not, I think this is notable sport event. Maybe I'm not objective because I'm Czech but Russian won should be post just the same in my view.--[[User:Sevela.p|Sev]][[User talk:Sevela.p|ela]][[Special:Contributions/Sevela.p|.p]] 22:35, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' The World Championships in a genuinely international sport. In my view, that's ITN worthy. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:29, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I was the one who originally wrote the guideline suggesting that the wc be replaced by the olympics in applicable years. However, since then the number of events on ITNr has increased, and the general ITN threshold has lowered. Those two things together result in my support vote. Also, there was some amount of support for the KHL final a couple weeks ago, which ultimately didn't go up, but that does suggest there is some support for an additional hockey item. [[User:Random89|<span style="color:#3B9C9C;">Random</span>]][[User Talk:Random89|<span style="color:#F87217;">89</span>]] 22:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Some prose would be nice. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
*In [[ice hockey]], the [[Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team|Czech Republic]] win the gold medal in the '''[[2010 IIHF World Championship]]''', defeating defending champions [[Russia men's national ice hockey team|Russia]] in the final. [[Dennis Endras]] of [[Germany men's national ice hockey team|Germany]] is named MVP. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 23:29, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', because it was my understanding that the Olympic ice hockey was replacing this in winter olympic years (see the note on ITNR for example). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:35, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::I thought that was the idea as well, but like Random says, there has been an increase in ITNR events. I don't believe that three items every four years is too much for an international sport like hockey. I do believe that this tournament itself is newsworthy in itself since it is the second-most attended in the championship's history and it had a somewhat surprising result.  --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 00:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posting'''. I believe MG raises a valid point. However, there is obviously a clear majority in support but more importantly, I believe Random89's argument is a strong one against MG's point and there is a decent update to the article. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Belated support for this, but do we really need the MVP in the blurb?  It's making this a four-line story on my screen. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:It should be shorted to MVP, in my opinion. Everyone knows what it means. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 02:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::They most certainly do not, that term is only common in north american sports. Putting MVP with a link to [[most valuable player]] is probably fine though. (also, currently a six line story in my browser, mostly because of the adjoining picture) [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 03:17, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' and remove from ITNR, at least on Olympic years.  This tournament doesn't nearly have the best players in the world (an argument that was used quite strongly with the IPL).  For example, Canada and the US (the Olympic finalists) had one player each from the Olympic teams on their roster.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:And on the other hand, Russia almost had all of its best players (and they lost). This event is not comparable to the IPL because this is a world championship and the IPL is a domestic league. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 03:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::If anything the fact that Russia lost with a mostly intact team is evidence that this tournament means less than the Olympics.  This 'world championship' has a severe lack of top players.  Russia has most of its top players mainly due to the randomness of NHL teams being knocked out of the playoffs.  Anyway, I certainly support getting rid of bit about the Most Valuable Player completely.  It's five lines on my computer. Is [[Dennis Endras]] really notable enough for ITN?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 05:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 22==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 22}}
===ITN candidates for May 22===
====Apa breaks his own record====
[[Apa Sherpa]] has made it to the top for the [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sports/2010-05/22/c_13309941.htm twentieth time]. This seems more of a landmark event than the nineteenth time (and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=291399137 same blurb as last year] can be used). <code> '''[[Apa Sherpa|Apa]]''', a [[Nepal]]ese [[Sherpa]] [[mountain climber]] who holds the world record for summiting [[Mount Everest]] more than any other person, breaks his own record. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:46, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the first time he broke the record was perhaps somewhat significant but this one is not. I know some people have objected to putting it up the 100m every time Usain Bolt beats it but other then the far greater attention, that's a record which requires a significant achievement every time to beat. While climbing Everest is no small feat (as I think someone pointed out last time) now that he has the record he'll beat it every time he climbs akin to say Muralitharan beats the world record for most number of test wickets in a career everytime he gets one (although I appreciate it's easier to get a test wicket then to climb Everest). While something like when Schumacher was winning the WC for the 7th time or whatever may seem the same, those are usually things we put up whoever wins not solely because of the record (and I don't believe we're likely to put something we wouldn't put up otherwise everytime just because of a record). In terms of the 'nice round number' aspect which I presume is what you mean by 'landmark event' while I appreciate humans do use the decimal system and so people do tend to make a fuss about round numbers, even I do sometimes, I obviously still feel taking the record was more significant and particularly so hot on the heels of that, this just seems inconsequential. Perhaps try again at 25 or 30 or 50 or something. Edit: Actually I didn't read carefully and just realised we were doing the same thing last year. Well even more good reason not to repeat that mistake (which received several opposes in WP:Errors). Perhaps putting this one up would have been okay if we hadn't already put something up we shouldn't have. To put it a different way, we were never going to put Apa Sherpa up every time he climbs Everest so if we really wanted to put him up this time, we shouldn't have already put him up last time for no good reason. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 12:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

====Famous Indian [[Telugu]] Poet [[Veturi Sundararama Murthy]] dies at the age of 74====
Famous Indian [[Telugu]] Poet [[Veturi Sundararama Murthy]] dies at the age of 74. Veturi was a famous poet who won many awards for his lyrics in many movies in Southern India. He died on 22nd May 2010, 9:30 PM (IST) in [[Care Hospital]], [[Hyderabad]] due to cardiac arrest after being in ICU for two days.[[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 17:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. 1) Standard death from old age. 2) Not that well known internationally. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 17:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. He is one of the most famous poets in India.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tatiraju.rishabh|contribs]]) 17:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:'''Oppose''' per Thue's argument, + 3) Circumstances of his death amount to merely a single sentence of updating with no ref.  If there's not much to write about, I question how significant this death is. 4) Most of the wikibio has no footnotes.  Poorly referenced articles should be avoided, esp. when there is a {{tl|contradict}} tag. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Jordan Romero]]====
Thirteen-year-old American  becomes the youngest person to reach the summit of Mount Everest. - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 16:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This is a nice topic to post.[[Special:Contributions/117.195.36.94|117.195.36.94]] ([[User talk:117.195.36.94|talk]]) 17:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:It seems like everyone is climbing Mount Everest nowadays. Really diminishes the effect of that old idiom. I'd feel like a jerk opposing this, though.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 17:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. IMO, ITN should be news which has some significance for world history, and not Guiness Book of Records. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 17:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' this is pretty impressive and would be of interest to many people.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 19:09, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose'''. He went up with his family and three local guides and, according to the wikiarticle, was [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/12/should-teenager-climbing-mount-everest described as a "token passenger" in a newspaper article].  Would be more supportive if he went up there by himself using his own mountaineering tools and skills. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 19:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. The headlines are very misleading. "He just needs to scale the Vinson Massif in Antarctica" [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10141547.stm (source)] and then I might support because a 13-year-old conquering the highest mountains on all seven/eight continents might be unique enough to be recognised. If it is posted now he would be nominated/posted again when he does this anyway. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

====Champions League final====
*The final of the [[2009–10 UEFA Champions League]] takes place in Madrid. Its on ITNR and once an update is made, should be a formality --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 21:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
::Its worth noting that whoever wins this will become only the sixth club in European footballing history to win the [[Treble (association football)|the 'Treble']], something which I think should be included in the blurb --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 10:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The Treble is probably still worth noting but these trebles are becoming more commonplace (that's two in a row now) and less significant as a result.  It's still worth a mention.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 06:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per ITNR. As for the 'treble' thing, I don't think that's particularly important - they are indeed much easier these days, primarily because changes to the entry requirements to the european competitions mean teams don't have to win their league twice in a row. Keep it short and simple. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I think completing the [[Treble (association football)#Continental trebles|continental treble]], the first for either club, would still be highly notable, despite people's perceptions to the contrary. If its not included, then we can at least include the date of their last European Cup/Champions League win -  [[2001 UEFA Champions League Final|2001]] for Bayern, [[1965 European Cup Final|1965]] for Inter. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and I would like to see the treble included (that the winner won it, not necessarily how many have won it before) because it is a significant factoid that adds a bit of colour to what would otherwise be a dry blurb. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::Note I suggest ITN link to 2010 [[UEFA Champions League Final]] as a final-specific article that has a lot more prose than the League article. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The article has a fair bit of prose about the match now - I suggest it's ready to go up. For a blurb, how about [[Inter Milan]] defeat [[Bayern Munich]] in the '''[[2010 UEFA Champions League Final]]''' to win a [[Treble (association football)|treble]]. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
*{{ec}} '''Support''' per ITNR. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8697017.stm BBC front page] says [[José Mourinho]] is "the third man in history to win it with two clubs", calls it important ("wrote his name into the history books"), suggesting that even if this is posted every year that this no ordinary event. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:16, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Posting''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

====Deep Depression ARB 1 (JTWC:01A) upgraded to a Tropical Storm, may hit somalia or Yemen anytime in 48 hours.====

Deep Depression 01A has been upgraded to a tropical storm by JTWC and IMD. It has been named as Cyclone Bandu. The cyclone is now moving towards Yemen with wind speeds of 45 to 50 miles/hour. Nationwide warning is issued in Somalia and Yemen. Evacuation of coastal areas is going on.[[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 04:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

'''Oppose''' For the record this cyclone has been named as Bandu but is not forecasted to make landfall as a tropical cyclone http://www.usno.navy.mil/NOOC/nmfc-ph/RSS/jtwc/warnings/io0210.gif.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 04:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

'''Support''' Sorry, I did not include the name of the Cyclone. The JTWC has issued warnings for Somalia and Yemen. The course of this cyclone predicts that it may landfall Yemen or Somalia by the next two days.[[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 04:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

: '''Oppose''' at least till this cyclone does something significant. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 04:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose''', per PFHLai's argument. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 17:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. 'May hit' is not important - what matters is what actually happens. If there is major damage and loss of life, I'll change my mind, but right now this is a non-story. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Air India Flight| Plane skids off the Runway]]====

Plane has skidded off the runaway in India, deaths are feared. Source later on.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once we know a little more but it looks like a big death toll. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 02:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Wait until we know more. Merely sliding off the runway doesn't [[Air France Flight 358|guarantee]] [[American Airlines Flight 331|deaths]]; but seeing as we don't know a flight number yet, there's not a lot we ''do'' know for sure. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::160+ are reported as dead. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:17, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If that turns out to be right, it's an obvious '''support''' from me, when that article is in better shape, and we actually have the facts. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 03:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''support''' should be obvious this will be up in the next few hours.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 03:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::::We have a problem, we have so many creators of articles. More articles and more redirects. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]]
*'''Support''' Yes its a nice topic. NDTV India reports that six people have been critically injured and are sent to local hospitals.
*'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:15, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Long enough?  <code> '''[[Air India Express Flight 812]]''' crashes at [[Mangalore International Airport]]. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::We probably ought to be a bit more liberal with the description. I'm not saying we should glorify the incident, but the blurb as it is might lead readers to believe that the event is insignificant compared with the rest of the new items. Perhaps wait until we have an official record of the number of fatalities?--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 05:16, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes I think article is a good shape now. I'm also going to post an warning on ITN error page, that even though we are posting two articles related to India this shouldn't be treated as Indian bias. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:17, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::::No one's going to think that. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 05:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 05:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

====Cyclone Laila hits Indian coast====
:{{small|Bumped from May 20. I'm neutral, but it seems to have some support... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)}}
[[Cyclone Laila]] hits the Indian coast as it landfalls near Machlipatnam on 20th May. The storm grew to a large Category 1 cyclone on the way to its landfall. Till now, about 14 fatalities are reported. The government of India has ordered a large scale evacuation in Visakhapatnam and Machlipatnam. About 100,000 fishermen and people living in coastal areas have been evacuated. Streets in Machlipatnam remain flooded. 

Is this isn't a nice topic to put on the main page? For reference. You can see the Main Page, [[Cyclone Laila]]. [[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 15:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support''' - seems like a good topic to post. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 17:53, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' Category 1 hurricane isn't that impressive when it's recurrence rate is considered, compared to April when a ten death EF4 tornado (which comprises less than 2% of tornadoes) and [[April 2010 tornado outbreak|50+ tornado outbreak]] was rejected. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 22:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)</s>
**'''Support''' I misread what the nom said as it had only caused 14 deaths =P [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 04:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Death toll makes it notable. If 56 people died in Europe or North America this would be a clear case. So it should be here. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support''' 75,000 to 100,000 evacuated is also notable. But this needs major copy editing, e.g. "landfalls" isn't a word, and landfall isn't a verb, but a noun.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/63.138.70.132|63.138.70.132]] ([[User talk:63.138.70.132|talk]]) 02:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Then go ahead and be [[WP:Bold]].
:At any rate, '''weak support''' only because of the precedent set for these nat'l disasters. but then again, 2 india articles in the same day?[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 03:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support''' It is known today that 56+ people have ben killed due to this cyclone. More than 20 fishermen are missing in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh, India.[[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 03:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

**Oppose - I don't think Laila is worthy of going up on the main page as so far it has only cause 36 Deaths according to reliefweb and the times of India http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900sid/MUMA-85P3QV?OpenDocument&rc=3&emid=TC-2010-000097-IND. Esspecially when you consider that the NIO is one of the most deadliest basins with storms such as 1991 Bangladesh Cyclone, 1999 Orissa cyclone, Nargis each causing more than 10 000 deaths. I will retract my oppose should the death toll climb to a more respectable figure such as 150 or 200.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 04:06, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

* I tend to support as [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8696211.stm "it is the worst storm to hit Andhra Pradesh in 14 years."] per BBC.  However, the article needs better refs, esp. for the death toll and the number of people evacuated. (The same BBC article says 23 deaths, not 56.)  Prose about the impacts on Sri Lanka and South India also need wikifying, etc. Pls fix before showing this on MainPage.  --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 04:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

*Support once updates are done. ~25 deaths is a lot wherever the location and whoever died. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Significant numbers of deaths.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
: Hmmm... where in the article says "killing at least 56 people"? (I have to go off-line now, so someone please fix this. Thanks.) --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 15:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::That exact phrase isn't in the article but I think it's something like 30 in India and 26 in SL or vice versa. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::* The [[Cyclone Laila|Main Article]] states that 65 people have been killed in total.[[Special:Contributions/117.195.36.94|117.195.36.94]] ([[User talk:117.195.36.94|talk]]) 16:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::: (Just regained control of my computer.) I've got [http://www.colombopage.com/archive_10A/May20_1274373140CH.php 20 in Sri Lanka], [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cyclone-Laila-weakens-into-depression-toll-36/articleshow/5960419.cms 36 in Andhra Pradesh] and [http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_tamil-nadu-heaves-sigh-of-relief-as-laila-moved-over_1385673 9 in Tamil Nadu] for a current total of 65.  I hope that's all.  I've changed the death toll on MainPage to "dozens".  The article and [[P:CE]] also need to be changed (Should've done that before ITN, but, oh, well....) --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 16:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 21==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 21}}
===ITN candidates for May 21===
====Cargo Ship MV Dubai Moon sinks in Gulf of Aden====
Cargo Vessel [[MV Dubai Moon]] sank in Gulf of Aden after it got engulfed in strong waves due to [[Cyclone Bandu|Tropical Cyclone Bandu]]. The storm disabled the cargo vessel and left it drifting off the Somali  coast. 23 crew members were rescued by helicopters from the [[Royal Navy]] frigate [[HMS Chatham]]. Commander Simon Huntington of the frigate HMS Chatham described how his crew battled 26ft waves and 65 knot winds in order to save the 23 men on board the cargo ship MV Dubai Moon.[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7134008.ece][[User:Tatiraju.rishabh|Tatiraju.rishabh]] ([[User talk:Tatiraju.rishabh|talk]]) 09:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
: What updated wikiarticle do you want to feature on MainPage? The article [[MV Dubai Moon]] is not created yet, and [[Cyclone Bandu]] is a redirect. Please draft a headline with the link to the ITN candidate article bolded. It's hard to determine ITN-worthiness without first reading the candidate article.  Please also post the headline on [[P:CE]] without the bolding. (Pls see [[Wikipedia:In the news#Procedural]].) Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

* Support: Thank you PFHLai for your kind support. I am not good in posting articles in the new page. I have created the page for [[MV Dubai Moon]]. Please post the topic in the main page.

====First synthetic lifeform created in the lab ====
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1279988/Artificial-life-created-Craig-Venter--wipe-humanity.html. [[Special:Contributions/76.119.232.42|76.119.232.42]] ([[User talk:76.119.232.42|talk]]) 16:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:See the discussion under yesterday's date. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 16:40, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

====2010 Poland floods====
- At least 5 deaths - the biggest natural disaster in last decade in Poland - [http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20100520/101712.shtml] [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 15:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
*[[Cyclone Laila]] has hit eastern coast of India and death toll is much higher along with flash floods in higher ranges of [[Jammu and Kashmir]]. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 16:38, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::Cyclones in India are not unusual. In Poland the situation its very bad. - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 17:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. Where is the article? The Prime Minister has [http://www.thenews.pl/national/artykul132062_pm---flood-polands-worst-natural-disaster.html told MPs] this is "the worst natural disaster in the nation's history". Damage is valued at 10 billion Polish złoty so far. [http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE64J5GL20100520 Reuters] says tens of thousands of people are affected and France and Germany are sending assistance. [http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE64I1BL?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r1:c0.576577:b34193142:z0 Auschwitz concentration camp] was threatened as well. Other countries affected too, such as Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I start [[May 2010 Central European floods]] - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 19:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I know you've just started it, but it needs more than 2 sentences and it needs to be written in the past tense, not the present. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Was only a start. - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 20:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''<s>Weak</s> Support'''. Has received international coverage, albeit not particularly prominent, and is affecting multiple countries and seems to be massive in Poland. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Expanded. Long enough? <code> At least nine people die and thousands more are evacuated due to '''[[May 2010 Central European floods|floods]]''' across several central European countries. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Looks good to me. While I'm putting that up, can someone try and fix that gallery to avoid those unsightly white boxes? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Pamir Airways Flight 112]]====
(again) Nobody survives - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 09:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment:''' A ''little'' premature SiMioN.EuGeN, they've barely reached the wreckage. [http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hEO5ufxW2PXmIudko884oc_jVcXw] Reports say 15 bodies so far. [[wp:Verify]]! '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 10:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)'''
Right, does any body object to <code>The wreckage of '''[[Pamir Airways Flight 112]]''', which crashed in [[Afghanistan]] on May 17, is found; all 43 aboard are believed to have died.</code>? If not, I'll post it soon given the support below. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  12:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' posting now--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 13:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
*OK, up it goes. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Late Concur:''' good blurb HJ. '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 13:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)'''

====Japanese probes launched to Venus====
[http://spaceflightnow.com/h2a/akatsuki/100520launch/ Dawn launch sends Japanese orbiter on the way to Venus]<br />
'''[[Akatsuki (Planet-C)|Akatsuki]]''' probe, '''[[IKAROS]]''' solar sail spacecraft and '''[[UNITEC-1]]''' student spacecraft are launched towards [[Venus]] by a [[H-IIA]] rocket. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 09:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
*UNITEC-1 is the first student-built spacecraft to operate beyond [[Geocentric orbit]].
:'''Support'''. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 15:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per [[WP:ITNR]]. Significant Venus probe, though the UNITEC item is just a small technology demonstrator so I'm not convinced it should be included in the blurb. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:40, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

====Physicists explain why there is more Matter than Anti-matter in the universe====
[http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/yahoocanada/100520/canada/scientists_discover_explanation_for_why_the_universe_exists] This is a huge news in Physics and for our existence. We know that after the big bang anti-matter and matter were both equally in amount. Yet our universe today is almost all matter. Which is good for us since we won't be here then. So these physicists did experiments "that when anti-protons and protons collide, the resulting new particles show a one per cent skew toward matter over anti-matter". --[[User:Everyone Dies In the End|Everyone Dies In the End]] ([[User talk:Everyone Dies In the End|talk]]) 05:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:Anti matter again last time I read about it was in later part 1980s. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::I bet most people reading that weren't even born then. ;-) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 14:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well the magazine was an Issue of [[Scientific American]], and also contained articles on leopard's skin and something about submarines sonar system. So can somebody find out which issue was it ? --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 14:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 20==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 20}}
===ITN candidates for May 20===
====First synthetic cell====
[http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Scientist-Claims-To-Make-First-Man-Made-Cell-Biologist-Creates-Synthetic-Cell-In-Lab/Article/201005315635730?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15635730_Scientist_Claims_To_Make_First_Man-Made_Cell%3A_Biologist_Creates_Synthetic_Cell_In_Lab Scientist 'Creates Synthetic Life In Lab']. —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 17:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10132762.stm BBC], [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/science/21cell.html NYT], [http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/offbeat/first-synthetic-cell-created-14813834.html Belfast Telegraph], [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559004575256470152341984.html Wall Street Journal] and the [http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form Guardian]. "One of the biggest scientific breakthroughs of the past two decades." —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 18:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Cautious support''' - This appears to be a highly significant scientific breakthrough, however the [[Craig Venter]] article or appropriate related article needs to be expanded substantially.[[User:Yorkshiresky|yorkshiresky]] ([[User talk:Yorkshiresky|talk]]) 18:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support[[Special:Contributions/98.247.218.30|98.247.218.30]] ([[User talk:98.247.218.30|talk]]) 18:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Naturally support''' - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 19:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Rush to main page''' as soon as article is updated.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 20:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', though we need to be very careful how we phrase the blurb. It is NOT a synthetic cell or life form, but a synthetic copy of a genome, plus some minor modifications, inserted into an existing cell. And I certainly don't think the updated article should be [[Craig Venter]], but a newly created one. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::I suggest [[Mycoplasma mycoides]], since that's the genome they reproduce. The ''Science'' article is [http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1190719 here]. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::In fact, we might like to use the title of the ''Science'' paper as the basis for our blurb: 'Creation of a Bacterial Cell Controlled by a Chemically Synthesized Genome' [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''support''' my god we have finally created a [[Cylon (reimagining)|Cylon]] -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 20:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' once the article is updated. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Strong support''' To quote The Economist, "The result is the first creature since the beginning of creatures that has no ancestor".[http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=16163006]  To paraphrase the rest of the article, and all the other articles, artificial life has been created.  However small, a huge line has been crossed.  This is a major scientific development.  Absolutely agree it should go up. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 23:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

My suggestion:
*A team at the [[J. Craig Venter Institute]] announces the successful transplant of a [[synthetic biology|synthesized]] minimized [[genome]] into an existing cell, creating the new species '''[[Mycoplasma laboratorium]]'''.
IMO the [[Mycoplasma laboratorium]] is the obvious main article, and it seems to be sufficiently up-to-date. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 23:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Is anyone else creeped out by this? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mycoplasma_laboratorium&diff=363304154&oldid=352828285 Adding one new sentence since March (plus some re-arrangements)] is considered "sufficiently up-to-date"?  No way. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 01:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::Very. Btw, I just changed "minimal" to "minimized", to try not giving the impression that the genome is proven perfectly minimal. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 23:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::That's disturbing. Fascinating, but disturbing. Thae article could use a few aesthetic changes- section headers would be nice. Once that's done, I'll post. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
*Meh, what the hell, we've posted articles in worse shape and I'm sure it will be improved in tis time on the MP, so '''posted'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's the wrong article! ''Mycoplasma laboratorium'' has NOT been created yet. Read the paper! [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've reverted myself. What's the matter with ''Mycoplasma laboratorium'' and what article, if any, should I be using? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::[[Mycoplasma laboratorium]] is one of the next steps for Venter's company, but has not actually been made yet. I'm not aware of any article which has had the new developments added to it (I was too busy this evening to do it myself), but the work was done by building a synthetic [[mycoplasma mycoides]] genome and implanting it in [[mycoplasma capricolum]]. [[Craig Venter]] and [[J. Craig Venter Institute]] might get updated by someone, though I think [[mycoplasma mycoides]] would be a better place for the info to go. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just as an additional note, [[mycoplasma laboratorium]] is planned as part of the [[minimal genome project]], which is based on the genome of [[mycoplasma genitalium]], whereas the latest work uses [[mycoplasma mycoides]]. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Bugger. I saw the [[Mycoplasma laboratorium]] claiming to have been created. I should learned by now that an encyclopedia article which non-experts can edit is not to be trusted :). [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 13:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''', Significant development, <s>another first by British after [[Dolly (sheep)| Dolly]]</s>.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::Except the team is in the United States, and lead by an American... [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Does this need any more '''support'''? An event which doesn't come along very often (about as often as a cure for cancer or AIDS I suppose) so if  it has been confirmed I am happy to support too, especially now that life will never be quite the same again. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 13:35, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Age has it's effects too.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 14:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Candlewicke, no, there's plenty of support. What there isn't yet is an updated article. It seems people are getting put off by having to read the science. I'd do it myself if I wasn't at work. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

So let me try again, with a fixed suggestion:
*A team at the [[J. Craig Venter Institute]] announces that they have [[synthetic biology|synthesized]] a copy of the [[Mycoplasma mycoides|M. mycoides]] [[genome]] and transplanted it into the shell of a [[Mycoplasma capricolum|M. capricolum]] cell, calling the result the first "'''[[synthetic life|synthetic cell]]'''".
And no, I don't have a problem with posting a red-link in an ITN blurb. Wikipedia is a work in progress. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 15:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::I don't have a problem with a red link, though I'm ''certain'' it'll be unlinked within minutes. However, before we get that far, [[synthetic life]] needs more work if it's to be the bolded article. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:25, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:I can't believe this isn't on the main page yet. Is there anything else missing? The [[synthetic life]] article looks sufficiently updated.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 21:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'll put it up as soon as there's a sufficient update. [[Synthetic life]] is a mess and is tagged with {{tl|refimprove}}. also, ITN criteria require "a substantial prose update". As soon as there is such an update to an article in an acceptable state, I'll put it up. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Still no sign of any update yet... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'd support putting this up, but the last thing I want to do is wade into a biology article and try to update it. (Chemistry, physics, astronomy, I'd give it a shot.  But not biology.) [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 00:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I have tried to update [[Synthetic life]] (IANAB[iologist]). The relevant section is "Synthetic genome team at the J. Craig Venter Institute". [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 17:28, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
* ''Support'' This really should have been listed already. It's a milestone moment in human history.--[[User:Cdogsimmons|Cdogsimmons]] ([[User talk:Cdogsimmons|talk]]) 01:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Posted'''- blurb alterations welcome here, [[WP:ERRORS]] or my talk page. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

====Everybody Draw Mohammed Day====
I have juxtaposed two sections which basically deal with the same story. As no one responded to my call for doing so several hours ago on the talk page I went [[WP:BOLD]]. Let me also quote from the introduction to an article in the ''Christian Science Monitor'', by all assessments a very moderate and insightful newspaper: {{quotation|Less than a week ago, "Everybody Draw Mohammad Day" was just one artist's idea of a joke. By this afternoon, it had become a worldwide media event – the inspiration for street protests, fodder for cable news networks, and ammunition for armies of angry Facebook users who have vowed to boycott the popular social network.|Matthew Shaer|[http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/0520/Will-Facebook-be-hurt-by-protests-against-Everybody-Draw-Mohammad-Day "Will Facebook be hurt by protests against 'Everybody Draw Mohammad Day'? "]|''Christian Science Monitor''}}
__[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 20:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
=====Pakistan blocks Facebook in response to Everybody Draw Mohammed Day groups=====
Since [[Everybody Draw Mohammed Day]] is set for tomorrow, May 20, i think this is a situation we need to monitor closely as this could escalate rapidly. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 15:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:Let's hear it for assumptions. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 15:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::So ''that's'' why I had to protect the article earlier... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't actually !vote, but at the present it's a solid '''oppose''' from me. While this makes a great feature story, especially because it fits the Muslims-hate-when-people-draw-Muhammad narrative, the blocking of a website by a single country is not notable enough on its own. Several other countries have blocked Facebook or YouTube or Richard Dawkins' website for various reasons, and I don't see any particular reason why this incident should stand out. If there were a more concerted effort to block Facebook, then I might consider supporting, but, as it stands, that's not the case. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 17:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::By this way, if this gets posted for some reason, please, for the love of God, don't post an accompanying picture... -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 17:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::::With the poster which started this being non-free content there is little chance of that. At least as of now. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 18:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:<strike>'''Unknown''' - Drudge would normally be all over this <small>(and I understand his conservative affiliations, but this is the kind of hotbed story he would post to drive up hits)</small>. As it is, a link to a relevant news article would help me decide whether this is a debatable ITN posting.</strike>--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak Support''' - Rather far-reaching implications. The existence of a single Facebook group having the power to cause an unequivocal shutdown throughout Pakistan seems like a story of interest.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::My reasoning is that this issue seems to be getting explosive, as ooposed to me attempting to make a point which Tariqabjotu asserted on another page. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 16:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::: '''Support'''this would be of interest to many viewers.[http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/pakistan.facebook.ban/]  also wonder if WP will be blocked indefinitely for putting this story on main page.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 17:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support''' on the basis of Pakistan's (temporary) blocking of Facebook. That is certainly an ITN type event. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Both encyclopedic and electric encyclopedic. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
**Sorry Susan, but what do you mean by "electric encyclopedic"? :-D --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not just dead tree encyclopedias, they are digital, electronic media nowadays. (So are the pictures of Mohammed I would think.) -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*Leaning toward '''support'''. Its controversy appears to be notable and the article is pretty extensive. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::The article [[Criticism of Facebook]] is also updated. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Based on Pakistan's little temper tantrum (no comment as to whether or not it's justified), I'm expecting Facebook to remove these groups within the next 24 hours. If that's the case, I don't think we'll need to post this item--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 18:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*{{ec}} - '''Support''' - article looks good and I agree that this has international implications. Not only have there been protests against Facebook in Pakistan, but the high court has asked the Pakistan foreign ministry to raise the issue in international circles. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 17:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*:Indeed, you gotta admit that's one heck of an update. Still not supporting putting the story on the Main Page, but you have to give them credit. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 18:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' happened before in syria, no big deal.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 18:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Non western countries block websites all the time. We didn't for example feature Pakistan blocking YouTube back in feb 2008. Now if they took down Facebook for everyone.....(oh wait we didn't mention when they did that to YouTube either).©[[User:Geni|Geni]] 18:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' The People's Republic of China blocks websites often, in a much larger country, and it isn't considered news.  Pakistan isn't the PRC, but eleven days of blocking a U.S. website isn't of great importance.  Also, DYK has already put this Everybody Draw Mohammed Day on the main page- twice, I believe.  Do we really need to give it more publicity? [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Not a particularly unusual event. Many countries - including soon Australia - block websites for all kind of reasons. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Facebook privacy concern is a bigger news. Plus my workplace already ban it anyway. Permanently.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/118.100.245.28|118.100.245.28]] ([[User talk:118.100.245.28|talk]]) 20:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:'''Oppose''' per the many intelligent comments above this isn't all that uncommon or meaningful. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 20:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above; the banning of Facebook by Pakistan is not newsworthy, that kind of thing happens all the time. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:27, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' to see if anything notable happens. Pakistan blocking Facebook is not notable enough on its own, but there's potential for this to escalate. As always, we don't try to [[WP:CRYSTAL|pre-empt events]]. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 22:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Countries all over the world block websites which don't adhere to their laws, including [[Child Pornography]] etc. So I  don't think we will be publishing the whole list of sites each day. Pakistan has done just done what was required under the law. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 23:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Event seems to be getting some international attention. かんぱい！ [[User:Scapler|Scapler]] ([[User talk:Scapler#top|talk]]) 05:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' censorship is not notable and the drawing campaign is joke '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  07:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''' this is turning out to be a much bigger crackdown.  now 450 sites including youtube are blocked.  cant remember last time that such an en masse blockade happened.  Pakistan of course is the only Muslim country reacting this way[http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-20/pakistan-blocks-youtube-450-sites-as-internet-crackdown-widens.html]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 12:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Including wikipedia and still I'm editing it without any proxy, Isn't this supposed to be a joke, Or somebody reported it wrongly to businessweek ? --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::OH she has apologized and now facebook doesn't have a official spokesman.[http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5htWrc5bacllWOkGF3ylp4rSwmFKw AFP].--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Support'''. An apology to Muslims as well? That's a large chunk of the world. It is a sensitive issue after all. There are those who take their religion very seriously so I support adding something about this, especially if multiple websites are affected. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 13:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

=====Pakistan bans parts of Wikipedia=====

Looks like the ban over [[Everybody Draw Mohammed Day]] has widened significantly & now includes WP and 450 other sites.  I know this has been discussed recently. are we going to give in to those who don't believe in free speech and not put this on main page [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/world/asia/21pstan.html (NYT)],[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052002023.html (<span class="ltr">WP</span>)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that this has some level of notability. However, your statement about giving in "to those who don't believe in free speech" seems to present an [[WP:COI|ulterior motive]]. '''Weak Support''', as per the previous discussion.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', per my previous comments. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 16:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' from me also, as before. But shouldn't we keep this tied together. Everybody Draw Mohammed Day may have surprises in store for us yet to be revealed. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 16:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:At minimum oppose categorizing it as ''Pakistan bans parts of Wikipedia'' and oppose the rhetoric.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 16:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong Oppose'''. Many many sites are blocked my many many countries, I cannot see how Pakistan's futile attempt at web censorship is notable in the slightest. Just to remind people, the Wikipedia Main Page is not a [[WP:SOAPBOX|SOAPBOX]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', a nation banning wikipedia is notable.--[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 17:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. No it's not- it happens to many websites in many countries across the world and even if it was, there's no way to post this without giving the impression of sticking two fingers up to Pakistan... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia is not censored. --[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::What does that have to do with anything? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Reread your own post. You seem to believe that showing that wikipedia and other websites are being censored by Pakistan is somehow going to offend Pakistan? --[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 18:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I see what you mean now! What I meant was that we shouldn't be doing this just to stick 2 fingers up- we're not censored, but we're not offensive just because we can be. I actually oppose the nomination, though, based on what I said above- that websites being blocked is not really uncommon. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I did some research and I see that you are right that nations censor websites often. However, most have not received as much media coverage as this particular case. The reason it is notable is because of the Muhammad depiction controversy, which has become a major issue in recent years.--[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 18:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' 'we shouldn't be doing this just to stick 2 fingers up'.  I don't think we should do this for that reason.  There are probably many people who will appreciate Pakistan's principled stand on this issue and will be happy that at least one country has the guts to do this.  as always we should use neutral language.  what makes this notable is the amount of media coverage it is generating not necessarily the event ( blocking) itself.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 19:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' One of many examples of domestic internet censorship. Agree with [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]]. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::Correct, however there is a big difference with this case. --[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 20:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Which is? [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Explained above. --[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 20:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Cartoonists thumb noses at Muslims by drawing their prophet. Some Muslims react. Some thumb their noses at Muslims again by having an "Everyone draw Mohammed Day". Pakistan, a Muslim country, reacts. Now we propose wikipedia thumbing its nose at Pakistan. The juvenile nature of it all is all the more reason for wikipedia not to join in by putting this on ITN. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Wikipedia is not taking a stand, wikipedia is just reporting that it is happening. --[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 20:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I echo that. I have seen so often that editors squirm when it comes to being objective about news stories involving Wikipedia. We cannot hide our heads in the sand and delude ourselves, pretending it's not happening and recuse ourselves from dealing with it. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 21:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', internet censorship is nothing new, and I have [[WP:POINT]] concerns. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Huh Wikipedia Banned I think some somebody nominated it just as I nominated the IPL 4,( it was a joke as some of editor rightly pointed out).--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:

====$618 million paintings stolen====
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/may/20/picasso-matisse-stolen-paris-museum (The Guardian)] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10130840.stm (BBC)] Five paintings by [[Picasso]], [[Matisse]], [[George Braque]], [[Amedeo Modigliani]] and [[Fernand Léger]] have been stolen from the [[Musée d'Art Moderne de la Ville de Paris]].  The museum article is probably the place for an update - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:I have made a bit of an update at [[Musée_d'Art_Moderne_de_la_Ville_de_Paris#2010_theft]].  It is one of the biggest art thefts in history apparently - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 12:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' - just came here to nominate this. The theft of anything that is worth approximately half a billion Euro's is notable in my opinion --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 12:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - rare event, major heist.  Update looks good, but it would be nice to expand the article in general a bit. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 12:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''support''' price aside it still seems to be major news internationally. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 13:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support'''. Was also planning to nominate this. I just hope they get the works back. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 13:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
*Anyone care to give me a blurb? If I don't get one in the next 2 minutes it will have to wait 'til after I've had my lunch! ;) [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
**How about; Five paintings worth $618 million are '''[[Musée d'Art Moderne de la Ville de Paris#2010 theft|stolen]]''' from the [[Musée d'Art Moderne de la Ville de Paris]]? Btw, isn't lunch time supposed to be around 12? :P - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 14:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
***You're late ;). But I'll post it. I was up late this morning, hence the late lunch! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 19==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 19}}
===ITN candidates for May 19===
====No matches will be played in IPL 4 ====
According to cricinfo [http://www.cricinfo.com/page2/content/story/459991.html IPL 4 matches canceled]. ;) --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 23:56, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not April Fool's Day again is it? '''Oppose''' for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who reads the article :p [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 03:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Umm, read the article''' It's a joke. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 03:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's a slow news week.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 03:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::"Page 2" is the comedy/satire section on [[Cricinfo]] '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  07:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::It was just a joke, didn't somebody saw the ";)"before the signature. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

====Lost Man Booker Prize====
* [[Lost Man Booker Prize]] winner announced. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::[[Troubles (novel)|''Troubles'']] by [[James Gordon Farrell]] won ([http://www.themanbookerprize.com/news/stories/1418 per website]), article needs to be updated.  If we include the regular Man Booker Prize I don't see why we shouldn't have this "catch up" prize from 1970 - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 23:56, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I'd rather post this than the IPL 4 story above ;)  (Seriously, Dumelow makes perfect sense.  '''Support''' when the work is done.) [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 03:53, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' after update —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 05:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as this is for all intents and purposes the Man Booker Prize. I have updated the article. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 06:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::Posted.  Nice updating Mkativerata - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 10:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

====Korea tensions====
: '''support''' (in a day or 2 after official conference) The investigation into the sinking point to N. Korea can heighten tensiosn to more sanctions or even war (not that likely yet, but its a heightening of tensions)[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 18:08, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Wait''' until war actually breaks out.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 20:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:If and when SK officially attributes blame for the attack to NK, that will be ITN-worthy ('''support'''). This has been building and building for weeks.  --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:I heard today that it is, indeed, confirmed that NK sank ''Cheonan'', so '''Support'''. <small>"wait until war breaks out"? Really?</small> —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 05:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. With the confirmation (at least allegation) that the sub was sunk by torpedoes this should go on ITN. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 09:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I suggest copying the ''current events'' blurb :
*An independent investigation concludes that a [[North Korea]]n [[torpedo]] caused the '''[[ROKS Cheonan sinking|sinking]]''' of the [[South Korea]]n [[corvette]] [[ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772)|ROKS Cheonan]].
[[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 10:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Posted. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

====Romanian protesters====
At least 40,000 Romanians rallied in the capital Wednesday to protest planned wage cuts the government says are needed to shore up the ailing economy. One of the biggest protest in Romania after [[1989 Romanian Revolution]]. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10127366.stm BBC] [http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Tens-of-thousands-protest-apf-3855337671.html?x=0 Yahoo] [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE64I0S920100519?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c0.200000:b34143522:z0 Reuters] [http://www.mediafax.ro/english/romanian-union-leader-announces-daily-protests-40-000-to-rally-on-may-19-6106304/foto Mediafax] - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 16:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:I start [[19 May 2010 Bucharest protests]] - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 17:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. It seems this was a moderately large but rather run-of-the-mill public protest, with no particularly notable aspects to it. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::I would think that a large national protest is a good contender but there have been so many of them everywhere on such a regular basis that ITN would soon be flooded with them. Is there anything particularly special that places this protest above others taking place around the world? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 13:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Anti-government protests in Thailand 2010]]====
[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/20/world/asia/20thai.html?hp The Thai army launches a push to take over the protesters encampment in central Bankok. Protest leaders surrender ]. The Wikipedia article needs an update. The [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSGE64I0FH20100519 stock exchange] and [http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1057699/1/.html various other buildings] are on fire. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 09:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10124369.stm (BBC)] Looks like the military have moved in and taken the camp.  The red shirt leaders have surrendered but red shirt supporters are continuing to protest in other parts of the city.  [[Anti-government protests in Thailand 2010]] requires an update - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 09:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

The article seems to now be up to date. My suggestion:
*The [[Thailand|Thai]] [[Royal Thai Army|army]] '''[[Anti-government_protests_in_Thailand_2010#Violent_clashes_in_May|assaults and defeats]]''' the [[National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship|Red Shirt]]s' encampment in [[Bangkok]]. The [[Stock Exchange of Thailand|stock exchange]], several banks, and other buildings are set on fire.
[[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 13:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. The [[Battle of Bangkok]] appears to have reached its watershed point. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per MickMacNee. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 18:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::wait a day or 2 to confirm calm has been restored and the protests is truly over for now at least[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 18:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I posted it. The current news item does not state that all protests are over. If all protests are over in a few days, then we can update the news item then. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 19:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I have edited the post for language/content.  We don't normally post details in a blurb [like which building were burnt], unless they are extremely important, which isn't the case here.  Also, blurbs should be one sentence long if all possible. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 19:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I would think the fact that the city is ablaze (twenty-seven buildings on fire according to the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10127048.stm BBC] and [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64C0L620100519 Reuters]) and under curfew should also be mentioned in the blurb. I'm not happy with the bolded article's title, but was reverted by the article creator, and so have filed a move request on the article's [[Talk:Battle of Bangkok|talk page]]. --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 19:56, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::It was my judgement that the national stock exchange being on fire was pretty important. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 10:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

====Pamir Airways Flight 112====
I think this is due now. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:58, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - the wreckage has been [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8691133.stm discovered], but as of yet it is not known if there are any survivors. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 09:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - now is as good of time as any to get this clearly important story on ITN. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 18:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''support''' as per crashes like this having set a precedent for ITN. (Libya one was one recently, if memory serves--[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 19 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} I'm not at all averse to posting this, but what am I posting? The article, while in good shape, has no information on casaulties (I assume because none is known) and "a plane crashed in Afghanistan" is barely news any more... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:How about "43 people are missing after a passenger flight crashes in Afghanistan"? '''Support''' by the way.--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Update needed''' Somebody please update the required info.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 23:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Note''': there is nothing to update currently.  The article doesn't have every known detail, but it has all the main ones.  Earlier reports of the wreckage being found were incorrect.  If a blurb went up now, it would have to say something like "A Pamir Airways plane carrying 43 people goes missing and is presumed to have crashed killing its passengers." --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 00:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Update''' Wreckage of the aircraft has been found.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 09:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 18==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 18}}
===ITN candidates for May 18===

====Specter dumped====
Thirty-year [[U.S. Senate]] member [[Arlen Specter]] of [[Pennsylvania]] loses his re-election bid to [[U.S. House of Representatives|U.S. Rep.]] [[Joe Sestak]] in a '''[[United States Senate election in Pennsylvania, 2010|primary election]]'''.
*Specter is one of the best-known senators, serving since 1980, chairing important committees and representing one of the largest states (12.6 million people). It's very, very unusual for a member of Congress with that much experience to lose a re-election bid, especially in his own party's primary, although the circumstances are a little unusual here with Specter formerly being a Republican. This is now the lead story at the websites of The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times and, in a combined story with [[Rand Paul]]'s win in Kentucky, at the AP/Yahoo News. And like I always say, if lots of people are interested in an item, and it meets all of the other criteria, that should be enough -- it shouldn't matter who's ''not'' interested. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 02:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''comment'''. this is not a presidential election, its local. its not even an actual election but a bid for re-election. so can you please prove how it passes criteria for ITN inclusion other than he had experience... -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 02:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Not of the requisite international signifcance for ITN. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 02:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::(Responding to ashishg55's request for a response). First of all, it's not a "local" event. It's statewide in a state of 12.5 million people, more than Greece or Belgium. Secondly, this is of national interest because Specter is so famous in the U.S., which is why this is the lead story not just in Pennsylvania but in the entire U.S. '''national''' media and is also mentioned on the website of The Guardian (<span class="ltr">UK</span>) and Sydney Morning Herald (Australia). I don't know what you mean by "not even an actual election but a bid for re-election." They're the same thing. If you mean that it's only a primary and not a general election, that is true, but what's important is that Specter has been axed -- he is now a [[lame duck]] and can't run again in November. It's not international, but then neither is gay marriage in Portugal or the oil blob off the Gulf Coast (not that I'm against either of those two events). -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 03:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - this "international significance" hammer is applied a bit too indiscriminately, IMHO. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 03:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*He is certainly an iconic figure in US politics.  He's credited with the [[Single bullet theory|Magic bullet theory]] of the John Kennedy assassination, well before he became a Senator in 1980.  I'm hesitant about this one but he is certainly no ordinary US senator.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*We generally don't cover the elections of specific Senators or Congresspersons, regardless of whether they have served for long periods of time. We're establishing a fairly heavy precedent by allowing this one to go through.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 04:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I have to ask, is he more well-known than Ted Kennedy? [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 05:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::To answer that question, I would say no, IMO.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a minister or opposition leader being purged in a factional battle is much more notable than a senator. It's also quite common in Asia e.g. China and India are also very large with giant corruption troughs, where factions just bin each other every month so that they can loot the treasury. No else we'll get junk e.g. [[Lalit Modi]] v [[Shashi Tharoor]] and everyone in every corrupt 3rd world country knifing and looting each other '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  07:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:{{ec}}'''Oppose''' - Mwalcoff, if this affects one state, in one country, how can that be considered anything other than local. This election is to decide the Democratic candidate, who will then stand for ''one'' senate seat out of a hundred in the whole of the US Senate. Also, since when did the population of an area impact upon how notable the news was. I mean are we to presume that an election in [[Utter Pradesh]] is 15 times more notable than this, because it has a population of 190m people? --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::I certainly agree the population of Pennsylvania is not something that makes this item notable.  If there's any notability here it's in his length of service (both as a Senator and previous to that) and his significant role in several political events such as the [[Warren Commission]] and the [[Clarence Thomas]] senate confirmation hearings.  However, I'd say '''oppose'''.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for the general election. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 08:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Too local. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 09:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I feel it's important that we don't confuse the American media with "international coverage". As I've said before, American items will inevitably get more Google news hits, for example, than the story of the minute elsewhere because the American media is simply larger than that of any other country. The reason, however, that I oppose is because this doesn't even register in the top 20 stories in Google's "world news" nor on the BBC's world news page, nor on its "Americas" page, though there is an article about these elections in which this particular result merits [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8688383.stm a sentence]. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  10:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' The defeat appears to be more down to his switch to the Democrats last year than anything else, and given the Yank media, that will make front-page news whether he was a novice or veteran senator. This wouldn't look like anything other than a local story to Main Page readers who didn't already follow Yank politics, so it doesn't carry any wow factor at all for ITN. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Too local...and as Joe Lieberman showed when he lost his primary and still won as an independent, may have absolutely zero significance. --[[User:Smashville|'''Smashville''']][[User Talk:Smashville|<sup style="color:#03F">talk</sup>]] 20:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', domestic politics, no wider implications. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I realize I'm outvoted and am not going to get worked up over it. However, I'd like to address a couple of misconceptions I was unable to respond to when I was at work all day today.

Firstly, my understanding is that Pennsylvania, like most states, has a "sore loser law" that prevents primary losers from running in the general election as an independent. Connecticut doesn't have that law, so Lieberman could win in November after losing the primary.

Second, the U.S. has three levels of government: federal, state and local. A local election would be one for mayor or county executive. Elections for governors or U.S. senators are state races, not local ones. But even if we were to dismiss "mere" statewide races, this was clearly a national story as made evident by the huge play it got in national media outside of Pennsylvania. 

What I argue with is how an event of the same magnitude is rejected as an ITN item when a U.S. state does it but is accepted when a European country of equal or smaller size does it. If Pennsylvania were to legalize gay marriage, it would likely be rejected for ITN as "too local," but Portugal does the same thing and it goes up. To argue that "Portugal's a country and Pennsylvania's a subdivision of a country" is to use fallacious reasoning. The two laws affect their residents in exactly the same way, and Pennsylvania has more people and many times more readers of our site.

Finally, no one has ever been able to explain to me why an item predominantly of interest to Americans should automatically be rejected when Americans make up half of our readership, and most of our items are of interest only to certain groups (space fans, soccer fans, geopolitics buffs, etc.) Nothing else on the Front Page -- or on Wikipedia -- operates under such a clause. We have On This Day and Did You Know items mainly of U.S. interest right now, and on Saturday, the featured article will be about -- I am not making this up -- a pedestrian bridge in a Chicago park. They rotate those items with those of interest to other groups of people. I don't know why ITN can't be the same way. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 22:56, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:People give you plenty of reasons why, you just ignore them. You neeed to live with it. If you are going to get up in everyone's grill for not getting some American stories on the front page, then I am for sure going to go nuclear on some of my items that have been canned as being 'not global', or some other BS, while the latest Shuttle loo roll bullshit goes up. I'm with you brother, burn this motherfucker down already. It's a scandal it still exists, while people who actualy contribute content to the pedia, have to wait nearly a month for a DYK listing. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 00:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:Mwalcoff and your "World Series", with DYK there is no excess supply, for TFA, the other topics aren't contributing enough (classical music, culture, physics, maths, non Anglophone history etc) else there would be more variety. Obviously with ITN, there are enough decent articles but people haven't taken the oppoprtunity to bump off the featured unsourced stubs '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  07:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::Mwalcoff, this issue has come up before and been debated ''ad nauseum'', and will be again.  I'd like to make a point about posting US elections.  I do sympathize with your argument that the ITN preference for 'national' elections perhaps fails to recognize the significance of certain elections in the US's federal system.  I do think the ITN community has tried to adapt--last year I believe a Senate special election resulting in the change of a 'supermajority' was posted--a type of election that is normally rejected because it is not 'national'.  

::However, we simply cannot be posting all elections that happen in the US.  This wasn't even the main election, it was a primary.  I know that the the primary was very significant in this case--it bumped off Specter--but the point is that in the US there are so many primaries, special elections, caucuses, referenda, etc, at the Federal, State, and local level.  Very many of these elections seem important enough to make the front pages of US newspapers and even foreign press.  We post an ITN item generally once a day--we could easily be posting US election news on a weekly basis on average if we didnt' have something of a filter.  

::Plus, I am not sure that there was so much interest in Spector among US readers.  Beyond the Presidential election, the main congressional elections, and other top political stories, interest in US politics rapidly becomes confined to a narrow group of political junkies.  I'd be interested to see stats on the readership of the related articles but I'd be surprised if they were astoundingly high.

::Finally, not posting this now does not mean it won't get any ITN mention.  Specter's defeat is mentioned in the [[United States Senate elections, 2010]] article which will be posted as per ITNR in November.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 09:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your well-reasoned response, John. I respect your point of view. I don't think I'm right all the time, I just get annoyed when people base their opposition on silly "rules" that don't make any sense. I'm sorry if I've seemed irascible. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Just, no. It's a state of one country (irrespective of its population - if we went by that criteria, we'd be posting results from the states of India!) and, has been pointed out, it's not even the main election. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 12:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

====Afghan NATO convoy attack====
18 killed in a suicide car bombing on NATO convoy in Afghanistan.[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100518/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan (<span class="ltr">AP</span>)], [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/18/afghan.blast/?hpt=T2][http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/18/afghan.blast/?hpt=T2 (CNN)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
: I have started the article [[May 2010 Kabul bombing]]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 15:10, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''weak support''' better article now but could use an expansion[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 23:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' At 1,900 B, article seems sufficiently developed enough to post at this point. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 00:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} Are all those section headers really necessary? Other than that, one more support would be nice and I'm willing to post. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I have merged some sections--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 00:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well the nom has been up for nearly 12 hours and nobody has opposed, but one of the supports is explicitly weak, so I'd really like one more just to be safe. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Normally I would lean towards an oppose but (<span class="ltr">a</span>) it is a slow news week; and (<span class="ltr">b</span>) the article is in good shape. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::That was quick! '''Posting''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Bobbejaan Schoepen]]====
- Notable Belgian singer dies at age 85. - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 11:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - ordinary death of someone who was not ''exceptionally'' notable. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 13:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' - He can't be that 'unexceptional', when you look at how developed his English language article is and consider that this is someone who sang in Dutch and was a the height of his career 40+ years ago. He is also described as a pioneer in the opening line of his article. That makes me think he was a little more notable than you are giving him credit for, even if I haven't heard of him myself --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The state of an article is not always a good indicator of notability, after all it only takes one interested editor to write a good article. Considering his entire career pulls [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Bobbejaan+Schoepen%22&btnG=Search&hl=en&ned=us&um=1&scoring=a less than 200 news hits] I am certainly not seeing anything to indicate exceptional notability.   For a death to make ITN, it should, at minimum draw news coverage in a variety of countries, and I'm not seeing that either.  Of the [http://news.google.com/news/more?q=%22Bobbejaan+Schoepen%22&hl=nl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=d8I3SCU2H40eMRMG2280kgOTiShlM&ei=Bib0S77eNYP_8Abjy_WjBQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&cd=1&resnum=2&ved=0CCMQqgIoADAB <150 stories] about his death, I see only 1 written in English, for example. (I would usually except the number of stories to exceed 1000 for an exceptionally notable death.) --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 17:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' He probably was an exceptional person but the fact of his death, at old age, is not in my view ITN-worthy. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 07:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Same-sex marriage in Portugal]] legalized====
- Nom - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 08:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Weak oppose''' - the "sixth country in Europe" to do so does not seem notable enough for ITN. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 13:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
*I'd support it. Right now, ITN includes three sporting events followed by a miniscule percentage of the world's population and one of many launches to the ISS. [[User:Savidan|Savidan]] 20:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Surely this is an important as a collection of snakes burning... [[User:Savidan|Savidan]] 00:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:Might normally lean towards oppose due to sixth on the Continent, but the template is getting stale, so weak support. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::Its a catholic country so its slightly unexpected and as the template's getting stale I'll '''support'''. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 22:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I would ordinarily oppose this but it is such a slow news week. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::We can't support something just because...Doing so for the sake of it doesn't quantIFY ITN articles. At any rate the Iran-Brazil-Turkey issue is big right now.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 23:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it does. A slow news week means the template is getting stale (as per the commenters above). When this happens we should have the discretion to lean towards putting up more marginal cases. This isn't an unworthy ITN posting, just a posting that in another week might be a more marginal case. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*Another support and a blurb and I'll probably be willing to post this considering the timer has turned red twice in recent days. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' although I dislike the bare-link refs. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 00:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 01:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the eighth country in the world and sixth in Europe doesn't seem like news. The Iran-Brazil-Turkey item is of much more importance. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 03:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''. Sixth in Europe [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 05:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - those opposing on the basis of this being the sixth in Europe or eighth overall can't tell me that if the US or UK did the same thing tomorrow that they wouldn't support. Its also worth bearing in mind that Portugal is a predominantly Catholic country and thus, as with with Spain, this is more notable than is being made out --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Facepalm Oppose''' If this only went up because its a slow news week, there are far better candidates on the page than this. The current blurb really does make this look insignificant, even if the Catholic angle means it isn't. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 11:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*Ignoring the merits (or lack there of) for the article, posting something because it was a slow week is a terrible idea.  It was also quite unnecessary as three other stories have now gone up in the last 12 hours.  In the future, I suggest everyone judge articles by their merits only. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 18:04, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. non-notable--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 18:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:more opposes now--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 18:27, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*I pulled this is favor of the snake story because: both happened on the same day, so neither is "fresher"; the snake one has stronger support; and the support here was based largely on the perceived lack of other stories available, which is no longer the case. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 20:55, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Strong support'''. This is particularly notable as it is a traditionally Catholic country as noted. Not only that but Pope Benedict has recently visited. This might not sound unusual but the visit was for several days and [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8679848.stm half a million people (<span class="ltr">!</span>)] attended one Mass at "one of the most popular Christian shrines in Europe". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 13:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

====Iran-Brazil-Turkey nuclear deal====
As per yesterday, this article ''section'' it should be on the main page news. Its more newsworthy than the ''article'' of the Brazilian fire. I've added more to that article now and added both support/criticism to balance it out.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 23:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:Can we please stop opening multiple sections for the same item? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 11:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 17==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 17}}
===ITN candidates for May 17===
====Iran nuclear agreement====
{{small|bumped from below since it's not attracting any attention down there. No opinion myself, but wirth considering now an article has been improved. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br>
Brazil and Turkey have assisted with this [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/2010516204621125495.html nuclear swap deal], 18 hours of negotiations, a trip to Azerbaijan was postponed. I don't think Wikipedia has a [[Brazil-Iran-Turkey relations]] article though. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
: How about updating [[Nuclear program of Iran]] instead of starting the trilateral relations page? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 05:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Expanded[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 21:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 03:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' posting link to [[Nuclear program of Iran]] - the update consists of 1 sentence and the article itself is ''way'' too long/badly needs split. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 13:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::not true, much expanded and now with sections. (some biased editor claimed non-western sources as unreliable)[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Article is now adequate imo and this agreement seems quite significant, it would be nice if it could be posted while it's still news. I believe there's something going on with the UN Security Council which might form the basis for a sufficiently up-to-date blurb that would also mean it can go higher on the template, but I don't know the details- I wasn't listening to the news! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Posted'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 03:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''~Facepalm Oppose''' On what planet is that section worthy of an ITN listing, yet the section directly above it was not? The IAEA hasn't even approved this deal yet. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 11:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::Since it is 1. newsworthy (the prime story in international news media along with Thailand) and 2. landmark in that a "[[new world order]]" seems to be gaining traction.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 18:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, and? That was the '''exact same''' situation for ther the section above it. Am I not saying it right? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 00:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You do realize that two wrongs don't make a right, don't you?  Opposing something because of a (perceived) slight of something else is juvenile and [[WP:POINT|unproductive]].--[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 12:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

==== New Bus for London ====
* <div style="float:right;margin-left:0.5em;"> [[File:Routemaster RM871.jpg|100x100px|The London Routemaster bus]]</div>The design of the '''[[New Bus for London]]''', the 21st Century replacement of the iconic [[Routemaster]], is unveiled by Mayor [[Boris Johnson]]

This is probably the only time ever that a bus has even a chance at an ITN listing, without having to have been involved in a tragic accident killing all passengers. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 20:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' It's a redesign of a bus.  A redesign of an iconic one, sure, but I don't think a redesigned bus can be considered globally significant enough by any standard, to warrant its inclusion onto ITN. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 20:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'll '''support''' this. even though its not internationally significant by any means it does have encyclopedic value. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 20:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''support''' its not internationally significant as Ashishg55 says but it is an institution, an icon, at least throughout the Commonwealth (which is a large part of the world).[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 20:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per HonouraryMix. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 21:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:I thought they'd already done this. The routemaster was withdrawn and they replaced them with those swish new bendy buses... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', at least until it enters service. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:Per Modest Genius [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 03:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

==== [[Miss USA]]====
[[Rima Fakih]] has been crowned first Muslim Ms USA.[http://www.freep.com/article/20100517/NEWS05/5170417/1318/Metro-Detroit-celebrates-Miss-USAs-first-Arab-American-winner (Detroit Free Press)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 15:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:we will post miss universe/world. per country pageants are not significant enough. '''oppose'''  -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 15:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' National component of a global competition. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 15:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' no such competitions to ITN please--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 17:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I think enough reasons are given above.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 17:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not supporting but a Muslim Ms USA seems kind of more significant than a usual Ms USA winner (which I would of course oppose in normal circumstances).--[[Special:Contributions/217.118.66.101|217.118.66.101]] ([[User talk:217.118.66.101|talk]]) 18:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree with that. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 18:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: '''Comment''' She is the first muslim to hold the title and there in lies the significance IMO. another glass ceiling bites the dust.  and this I suspect is of interest to a broad audience and defies common stereotypes of Muslims.  the citation from the mail has a nice pic of her in a bikini[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279049/Miss-USA-2010-Rima-Fakih-Michigan-Muslim-woman-win.html].  how common is it to see a muslim beauty in a bikini.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 19:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: From the link you provided - "Pageant officials said competition records were not detailed enough to confirm if she is the first Arab-American or Muslim woman to win the contest". The [[Sayeeda Warsi|first Muslim Chairman of the UK Conservative Party]] was much more worthy of notice imho, if we are talking 'glass ceilings', and it got no notice at ITN. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::: well pageant officials are not confirming it since they dont keep records.  multiple RSs are saying that she is the 1st muslim.  I think it is  a more unusual for a muslim woman to win in a major world beauty pageant than to become a politician . [[Benazir Bhutto]] & [[Sheikh Hasina]] were very successful muslim women politicians who led their countries.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 19:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::: Hmmm. You seem to be ignoring a rather fundemental aspect of geopolitical geography with that comparison. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 20:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::: and you are ignoring the fact that muslim women have been heads of state so baroness warsi's commendable achievement has to be seen in that light.  anyway this article from CNN just about sums up the significance of this event[http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/17/miss.usa.lebanese/ Arab-Americans react with delight to Lebanese-American Miss USA]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 21:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: How am I ignoring it? I just gave you the exact reason why it was a poor point. Seriously, your point is like saying Barack Obama being the first black President was irrelevant because Africa has had black leaders for years. It ignores far too much to be considered remotely relevant. And the CNN article doesn't read as if history has been made with this girl's epic struggle. Quite the opposite, both the criticism and praise for this development is decidely half hearted, because it quite accurately reflects that this is not actually that big a deal given her actual personal circumnstances. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. The competition itself is not significant enough. It is indeed made more so by the winner being the first [insert politically correct name of minority group] to win it, but still not ''that'' significant. The first Muslim cabinet minister was indeed more significant, but I don't feel even that was significant enough, mainly because she was unelected. Miss World, however, I might consider. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::actually its miss universe that should be posted (maybe miss world too). considering national winners will go to miss universe and runner-ups to miss world. while at it i think we should make it ITNR -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Per HJ Mitchell [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 03:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC) 

====[[2010 Dantewada bus bombing]]====
--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 13:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' High enough numbers to be posted. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 14:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Redirect to [[2010 Maoist massacre in Dantewada]] as a continuation because it was ''[[2010]]'' and in ''[[Dantewada]]''[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 15:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's still a seperate article actually. '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 22:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)'''
::::and will remain as such until a consensus is reached for merge. Please consider adding this--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 12:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Dozens are killed in India in the [[Naxalite]] first [[2010 Dantewada bus bombing|attack on a civilian bus]].--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 12:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

====Governor dies in Philippine helicopter crash‎====
[http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gnVN1GPRgUvwZj_dU4EnqiLoqC0A afp].--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 11:06, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:This is fishy. Conspiracy theorists will tell you that he died at the height of the drug scandal in which was involved with. He is the treasurer of the [[Liberal Party (Philippines)|Liberal Party]], the party of soon to be president-elect [[Noynoy Aquino]]. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 16:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' [[Rafael Nantes]] is two sentences long and didn't exist before this.  Additionally, he governed only 1.6M people.  I doubt we'd post the death of a US mayor of a city with a similar population, so I see no reason to post this either. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

====Afghanistan plane crash====
- Nom - [[2010 Afghanistan plane crash]] [http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/17/afghan-official-passenger-plane-crashes/] [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 10:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''support'''--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 11:06, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''', we have duplicate articles - see [[Pamir Airways Flight 112]], which I created 5 mins later than the above at the correct title (per naming convention for aircraft crashes) and is better developed. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 12:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well the first is written in the present tense. I suppose I could history merge them if you want. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  12:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::NB: Please don't histmerge them.  Copy and paste is preferred in such instances.  Per [[Wikipedia:Merging_and_moving_pages#Full-content_paste_merger]] and [[Wikipedia:How_to_fix_cut-and-paste_moves#Parallel_versions]].  Cheers - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 12:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh fear. It's already done. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  12:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Ah well, it's a fairly simple edit history. I dare say no-one will be confused too badly! - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 13:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Support''' Even though it is the second in ~10 days, this is an aberration, not anywhere near a normal pattern. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 15:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Oppose for now''' Let's wait until we get more details, like if anyone died or if everyone survived, etc. [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 16:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - its very unlikely everyone survived.  However, I am not opposed to waiting for more details to emerge either. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 14:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

====Biggest snake collection lost====
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8685921.stm (BBC)] The world's biggest collection of preserved snakes has been lost.  The [[Instituto Butantan]] had 80,000 snakes and 500,000 scorpions and spiders, up to 100 years old, but burnt down (fuelled by the formaldehyde).  Article is reasonable but needs expansion on the fire - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 09:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 90 years of research lost in an hour and a half. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', though the article could do with some improvement - only two references at present, and they're both on the fire. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - a highly notable fire, with widespread (scientific) impact. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', potentially huge impact on research. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#999916;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 14:10, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::Blurb anyone? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' A big loss for science, obviously. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
*{{checkmark}} Posted. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::Err, I thought we didn't post articles with orange-level tags? With the exception of the fire, the entire thing is completely unreferenced. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I thought so too. [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 05:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You are correct.  The criteria state "Articles that are subject to serious issues, as indicated by 'orange'- or 'red'-level article tags, will not normally be accepted for an emboldened link."  Luckily someone has added a few more refs, (including [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3120/is_3_71/ai_n28728219/ this good one]) to the article and removed the template.  The article has actually just dropped off the template as well - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 19:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

====Italy/Spain football====
Are Italy and Spain the ones that people [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&diff=361441134&oldid=361440746 always want to add]? It seems they were won recently and are reported in [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/sports/soccer/17sportsbriefs-barcelona.html ''The New York Times'']. Spain is in [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2010-05-17-2242312120_x.htm ''USA Today''], [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/top-stories/Spanish-title-win-fails-to-appease-demanding-Guardiola/articleshow/5939249.cms ''The Times of India''], [http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2010-05/17/content_9856471.htm ''China Daily''], [http://tvnz.co.nz/football-news/messi-adds-golden-shoe-trophy-haul-3546053 TVNZ] as well. Italy is in [http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/inter-milan-nervously-seal-serie-a-title-20100517-v6zo.html ''The Sydney Morning Herald''] and [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/top-stories/Title-procession-taken-to-the-wire/articleshow/5938886.cms ''The Times of India''] Germany is mentioned in [http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0517/1224270549245.html ''The Irish Times''] as well or is that good enough? Just wondering. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

: For any sport without an obvious top-level of competition in the world, let's stick with international/continental play and not mention domestic leagues on ITN, unless it's some really big news with profound significance with the story. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 05:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Too much football items near each other. Incidentally, I don't think Premier League should be up the other day. [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 03:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

====Parliament attacked====
Mortar bombs fired, people killed, says [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8685480.stm BBC]. I'm not sure if there is an existing article to update or if there is new one. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps [[May 2010 Mogadishu bombings]]?  Don't forget to post a link on [[P:CE]]. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 05:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

====Resignation of [[David Triesman, Baron Triesman]]====
Eh, is [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8685009.stm that] big enough? The Football Association, at least two FIFA World Cups, House of Lords, Spain, Russia, bribery, corruption? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''.  I'd support when the actually announce the bid.  Also, I'd note that we have three sports-related events showing now.  I'd say that's enough.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
: Too tabloid-ish.  No, thanks.  Would be more supportive if the UK Foreign Secretary resigned in a story involving Spanish spies and Russian mobsters bribing Taliban terrorists in a plot to disrupt a bid to host an upcoming G8/G20 meetings, ... etc. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 16==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 16}}
===ITN candidates for May 16===
====100 dead in government attack on rebels in Darfur; Sudan opposition arrested====
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8684544.stm (BBC)] The Sudanese government has taken [[Jebel Moon]] in [[Western Darfur]] from the rebel [[Justice and Equality Movement]], killing 108 rebels and capturing 61 in the process.  Jebel Moon was apparently a key rebel stronghold and its capture has made the rebels fracture into small groups.  The capture happened last month but has only just been reported.  Both [[War in Darfur]] and [[Justice and Equality Movement]] have improvement tags on them.  I will try to update one of them tomorrow if no-one else does beforehand (any help would be appreciated).

In the same country the Islamist opposition leader, [[Hassan al-Turabi]], his family and leading party members have been arrested by the government for alleging vote rigging in the [[Sudanese general election, 2010|recent elections]] (though he has been arrested multiple times before).  His article has yet to be updated. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8685008.stm (BBC)] - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 00:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

====Gigantic underwater oil plumes discovered in the Gulf of Mexico====
This may be a lot more disastrous than the oil slicks already spreading across the gulf. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - There really needs to be more focus on this event, regardless of how many times over the past month it's been posted, because it's ''that'' bad.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 02:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Leaning toward '''support''', if the article is adequately updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 04:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The article has a comprehensive update at [[Deepwater Horizon oil spill#Spill area]] and also brief mention in the lede. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 06:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. It's very serious--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 17:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Could anyone suggest a well-worded blurb? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
*Already '''posted''', but my blurb's not brilliant. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think it should mention the huge underwater plumes. Apart from being a big come-on its the essence of the worsening scenario. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:Haven't got a blurb in mind, but maybe we should have one that conveys certain facts? Phrases like "estimate" and "may", I believe, aren't desirable. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 19:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Suggestions for improvement are welcome... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Is it possible for the blurb to say how much worse it is? Right now it seems incomplete. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 22:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Am I the only one who feels the blurb sucks? I mean, it contains two weasel words (some scientists ''...'' may be significantly worse than initially thought). I thought on something like
* ''The '''Deepwater Horizon Old Spill''' is calculated to be flowing at a rate of 25,000–80,000 barrels a day.''

<span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:Fixman|Fixman]] ([[User_Talk:Fixman|talk!]])</span> 02:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Dominican Republic parliamentary election, 2010]]====
Parliamentary elections in Dominican Republic - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 15:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:Obviously not much going on with the article at the moment.  I'll take a look around for some sources etc. later, and see if I can find a target result announcement date - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 18:48, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' when results are known. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' When results are known, and a decent enough article appears. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 00:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' I've added some text on the pre-election situation and election day violence, but we'll obviously have to wait for results before putting anything up. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I have not forgotten about this.  [http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-23231--18-18--.html Senate results are in] but they are still waiting on the lower house results.  I'll try to keep an eye on the news reports - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 23:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 ICC World Twenty20]]====
Should be fairly straightforward one this. Major international cricket tournament with participants from 4 continents --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 16:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:The finalists are now known for the game on Sunday, so would suggest something like:
*''"[[Australia national cricket team|Australia]]/[[England cricket team|England]] defeat [[Australia national cricket team|Australia]]/[[England cricket team|England]] to win the [[2010 ICC World Twenty20]]"''
:--[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Support.  This is a [[WP:ITNR]] event (come on England!) - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 13:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Come on the-team-which-isn't-England! [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#000000;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 13:32, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:{{ec}} '''Support''', top level of Twenty20 competition in the world. Alt blurb (usual phrasing):
*In [[cricket]], [[Australia national cricket team|Australia]]/[[England cricket team|England]] '''[[2010 ICC World Twenty20|defeat]]''' [[Australia national cricket team|Australia]]/[[England cricket team|England]] to win the [[ICC World Twenty20]].
:[[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::England won.  Article not updated yet though - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 18:51, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I'm updating the Final section at the moment. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
*Seeing as we now know the result, I propose: "In [[cricket]], [[England cricket team|England]] '''[[2010 ICC World Twenty20|defeat]]''' [[Australia national cricket team|Australia]] in the [[ICC World Twenty20]], winning their first ever [[International Cricket Council|ICC]] trophy."
:[[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 19:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' since it is included on ITNR. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think the article is now updated as much as sensibly possible without going into an over-by-over description of the match. Probably need to get it up soon. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}}Humbug. It would be cricket! Zzzzzzz! And I was on my way to bed, but give me a minute to check everything and I'll post it! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:*'''Posted''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
*[[2010 ICC Women's World Twenty20|The women's event]] should be added to this item. The two tournaments - men and women - ran concurrently in the same manner as a tennis grand slam. -- [[User:Mattinbgn|Mattinbgn]]\<sup>[[User talk:Mattinbgn|talk]]</sup> 00:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Like I said on the talk page, I am happy to post the women's event but would first like to see some prose in the article.  Cheers - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 08:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Women's article now ready '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  07:27, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see the women's event as particularly significant. It certainly didn't receive similar levels of attention as other women's events we include eg. tennis. Remember, we did ''not'' post women's ice hockey at the olympics for similar reasons. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think the first Women's Golf Major of the season even got nominated, whereas the Men's Majors get posted.  Netherless, work it in the same blurb and I can '''support''' posting this. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 16:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

====Monaco Grand Prix====
*In [[Formula One]], [[Mark Weber]] '''[[2010 Monaco Grand Prix|wins]]''' the [[Monaco Grand Prix]] in a [[Red Bull Racing|Red Bull]] car
On [[WP:ITNR]]; [[Mark Weber]] is leading in a [[Red Bull Racing|Red Bull]] car at the time of writing. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:Aaaand Weber just won. Blurb updated. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Support.  [[WP:ITNR]] event, article needs finishing table completed and race section expanded/reffed - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 13:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Looks good to me now. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' as above. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'd have preferred some more refs in the race section but it's hardly a controversial area and I am sure it will get some more refs once it is on the main page.  I'll post it in a mo - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 18:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
<s>'''Strong oppose'''</s> Came flying here when I saw it was up.  This '''isn't''' a WP:ITNR event: if you look, it says F1, but qualifies that the only F1 events that go up are the announcements of the drivers and construction champions.  This isn't either of them: it's only a single race. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 18:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:The so called [[Triple Crown of Motorsport]] events do get posted (per ITNR).  We have, for as long as I can remember, posted the Monaco Grand Prix as well as the Indy 500 and Le Mans 24.  Monaco is the only F1 event that does get posted, though (besides the constructors and drivers championships).  Cheers - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 18:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Lol, whoops.  Was about ready to swoop asking where it said that, but taking a harder look I do now see Monaco just above the general F1 criteria.  Now I feel embarrassed.  Obviously changing now to '''support'''.  Sorry folks. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 18:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Mark Webber 2008.jpg|right|100x100px]]
:::No problem.  I was going to add this pic of Webber, but he looks a bit weird at 100x100px.  If someone better with images than me wants to try cropping it or whatever please go ahead.  Until then I'll leave the shuttle up - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 18:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

====Ex-Liverpool footballer has heart attack, dies====
[http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129122-ex-liverpool-fc-striker-dies-of-a-heart-attack.html Liverpool] are an important team are they not? More [http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/swansea-striker-idrizaj-dies-at-22-1974534.html here], [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article7127626.ece here] and [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/7729055/Swansea-City-striker-dies-of-suspected-heart-attack-according-to-agent.html here]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' His death was tragic and unusual, but not particularly ITN worthy, given that he wasn't all that well known of a footballer before his death, no international caps, little play in top-flight football.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 05:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:He played for Swansea. He left Liverpool years ago. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 08:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strong Oppose'''. Just no. —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 10:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''', he wasn't a notable Liverpool player. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#999916;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 13:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strongest possible oppose''', and a suggestion that you read the sources before nominating. The third sentence of the first link you provide makes it quite clear he 'failed to make a senior appearance' for Liverpool. His [[Besian Idrizaj|Wikipedia article]] makes it clear he was nowhere near notable enough for ITN. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, misleading. Is there really any harm in nominating something you know little about to seek the opinions of others? I had never heard of him. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

====Italy fines Ryanair €3 million====
[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE64E05Y20100515?type=marketsNews Reuters] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8684683.stm BBC] [http://www.euronews.net/2010/05/15/italy-imposes-heavy-fine-on-ryanair/ euronews] [http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2010/05/16/1248041f4a02 Radio New Zealand]. Notable? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. It's being covered on Wikinews (where I published it) but it's not notable enough for WP- just passing news. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

====Mine explosion in China 21 dead====
This is nominated with an updated article under 14 May and could do with some support. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 15==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 15}}
===ITN candidates for May 15===

====Mass kidnapping in Pakaistan====
60 people have been [[2010 Kurram agency mass kidnapping|kidnapped]] in [[Kurram Agency]] in Pakistan.[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8684460.stm (BBC)], [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64E0UB20100515 (Reuters)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 12:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''', somehow this is fit for ITN. --[[User:Saqib Qayyum|<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:#000000;color:black"><i>Saki</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Saqib Qayyum|talk]]</span></sup> 16:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Not such a big thing, they will released, after a jigra. Not special by tribal standards..--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 17:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

====2010 FA Cup Final====
* [[Chelsea F.C.|Chelsea]] / [[Portsmouth F.C.|Portsmouth]] win the '''[[2010 FA Cup Final]]''' at [[Wembley Stadium]].

The oldest and most well known domestic football cup competition. This year it's Princes v. Paupers or David v. Goliath, with [[Roman Abramovich]]'s prima donna millionaires taking on the stoney broke poor men of Portsmouth, who don't even know if their club will exist next year, having financially imploded spectacularly, going from shock FA Cup winners just two years ago, to this year becoming the first Premier League team to call in the administrators. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral'''. Unquestionably the most notable domestic knockout competition in the world, but we already have quite a lot of football items going up and it is after all a domestic competition. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Oh and a blurb that better fits our usual phrasing:
*In [[association football]], [[Chelsea]] '''[[2010 FA Cup Final|defeat]]''' [[Portsmouth]] at [[Wembley Stadium|Wembley]] to win the [[FA Cup]]
:[[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. It's the oldest association football competition in the world. Btw, if Portsmouth win, they will become the first club to win the Cup and be relegated in the same year. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 14:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Nope. There have been 4 previous occasions. Man City 1926, Leicester 1969, Brighton 1983, Middlesbrough 1997. Still '''support''' though. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 14:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
*The clubs you've pointed out didn't win the cup though. I said that if Portsmouth win they would be the first club to have won the cup and be relegated in the same season. Not that it matters now though, lol. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 16:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Fair point June - my mistake, but as you say, it didn't happen anyway. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 16:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Chelsea's first double. 2 missed pens. 1st penalty missed (not saved) at Wembley and woodwork hit 5 times in 1st half. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 15:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Just to be clear, we've currently got the Europa League on there. Are we now going to add the FA Cup, next week the Champions League, and after that the World Cup? Seems a bit overkill? <small>[[User:Jacoplane|<span style="color:#AE1C28;">JACO</span>]][[User_talk:Jacoplane|<span style="color:#21468B;">PLANE</span>]] &bull; 2010-05-15 16:07</small>

:'''Neutral'''. But I think the blurb should highlight why the FA Cup is significant (oldest, most well-known, etc) or that Chelsea achieved [[The Double]]. [[User:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOWR</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:TFOWR|<span style="color:#f00">propaganda</span>]]</sup> 16:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' This is the problem with football, we already had the Premier League, now the Europa League, then the Champions's League, and then the World Cup- four football stories in around 2 months.  I just can't get behind bumping that up to five. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - I can see the rationale for the Premier League, but not the FA Cup and, as others have pointed out, we've got the Champions League still to come next week --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Nothing here [[WP:ITN#Criteria]] that says we cannot have multiple soccer ITNs, even if the FA Cup itself is not on the preserved list, the notability & hook on this ocassion is clear - the EPL/FA cup double achieved by the winners. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 19:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::But if that is the rationale then there is a good chance that tomorrow we could be posting another football item as [[Internazionale|Inter]] have already [[2010 Coppa Italia Final|won the Coppa Italia]] and it is likely a point against Siena on Sunday will be good enough for them to win the [[2009-10 Serie A|Serie A title]] - thats another double in one of the big three leagues in Europe... and that's even before we get to Spain, where if Barcelona win tomorrow they will break not only the [[Football_records_in_Spain#Most_Points_per_season|record]] for the highest absolute numbers of points in a La Liga season (99 points), but also the highest proportion of points won (86.8%) --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
*I think for next year and certainly for 4 years' time, we need to pre-plan which football items go up. I would have supported this, but with the champions league a few days ago, then the Europa League, now this and the World Cup to come, that adds up to a lot of <s>cretins getting paid obscene amounts of money to kick a ball from one end of a field to the other</s> football items on ITN- four in two months means (taking the average stint on ITN as ~1 week) that for at least half the time, there'll be at least one football story on ITN. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pre-planning defeats the point of '''In the News''' IMO but there is already a list here [[WP:Recurring_items_on_ITN#Football_.28Association.29]]. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 20:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::This is ''exactly'' what we should be using ITNR for. But every time I oppose something based on relative numbers and it ''not'' being on ITNR, I get shouted down. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' On balance, not significant enough. There is very good reason to exercise a bit of restraint in respect of football events in May lest we overload ITN with football and get accused of pro-England bias. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pro-England bias? explain please. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 20:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Having the EPL and FA Cup as ITN events. ''Pro''-England is perhaps loose language. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as we've just had two recent Football stories, including the Premier League winner. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 21:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Support''' if it is the oldest association football competition in the world and if it is "unquestionably the most notable domestic knockout competition in the world". That it is English (or whatever it is) is merely coincidental. If an "oldest" type of competition can be found from some other corner of the world I might support that too. It is ''very'' old and this an encyclopedia. The [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/fa_cup/8680493.stm BBC] says this "created history" and history belongs in an encyclopedia. I don't know how all these football competitions can appear on ITN and yet there might be no place for the oldest. As for others I presume Spain and the rest of them are younger then? Would that excuse work? <small> There are of course all the immoralititties of paying these people obscene amounts of money to run around a field with a round object but there might also be something to be said for the winning team featuring a [[Ashley Cole|wife-cheater]] ''and'' a [[John Terry|girlfriend-stealer]] (as the media insists on reminding me) plus one or two [[France vs Republic of Ireland 2010 FIFA World Cup play-off|ball-grabbers]] (that article says one of today's winners passed the ball to Mr. Henry before that incident thus proving that life really isn't very fair at all - as I write this I am reminded of hearing that [[Damien Duff|one of the losers]] that night was on the losing side in [[2010 UEFA Europa League Final|that other final]] a few days ago. I'm going to stop now as this is all getting very odd. Still, by all outcomes, this is a chonic overdose of ''bad''-people-winning-syndrome). But since all that counts as opinion I suppose it doesn't really belong here. Bringing me back to support. </small> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Algeria earthquake]]====
- 2 killed, 43 injured, important damage after a 5.1 magnitude earthquake in [[Bouira Province]] - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 09:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Too short --[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 11:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Not a particularly large or destructive earthquake, and the artile itself is barely 3 sentences long. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Without making any judgements on the merit of the story, we can't put a three sentence article on the main page. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

====Resignation of Vincent Eze Ogbulafor====
The chairman of the [[People's Democratic Party (Nigeria)|People's Democratic Party]] (PDP), [[Vincent Eze Ogbulafor]], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8682164.stm has resigned]. Significant? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Not really. Party chairman is not the same thing as party leader, and is a pretty technocratic role. Plus the article is very poor. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:47, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as he is neither head of state or of government, and the article is an unsourced BLP. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 00:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

====New Zealand and South Africa "landmark apologies"====
New Zealand and South Africa's rugby unions make [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/8682878.stm "landmark apologies"] for excluding [[Maori]] and [[black]] players from their teams during the [[apartheid]] era. It seems at least as significant as Gordon Brown's ITN apology from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=313209126 a few months ago]. And it is a different type of sports story than the result of a final. I'm not sure which is the best article. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:47, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I'm not sure how notable South Africa apologizing for the apartheid is anymore. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 06:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - both countries have apologised profusely for this over many years, across many fields of endeavour. They've merely reaffirmed it because of the Maori centenary. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::While I oppose this, this wasn't simply an re-affirmation. See [http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/news/3703312/Maori-Rugby-Board-booted-over-belated-apartheid-apology] [http://www.3news.co.nz/NZRUs-apology-to-Maori-was-a-long-time-coming-/tabid/1144/articleID/155737/Default.aspx] [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10644273] [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10644856] [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10645046] [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 15:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

====Tal Afar bombing====
25 dead and 125 injured during a match at an [[association football]] stadium according to [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/2010514161932327374.html Aljazeera]. The [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8683642.stm BBC] says 10 are dead and 120 are injured. Either way it seems a lot of people to come to harm while watching sport. Is there an article yet? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

====2010 Stanley Cup playoffs#Eastern Conference Semi-finals====
The [[Philadelphia Flyers]] '''[[2010 Stanley Cup playoffs#Eastern Conference Semi-finals|defeat]]''' the [[Boston Bruins]] 4&ndash;3, becoming the third team ever to win a playoff series after trailing 3&ndash;0.[http://www.thestar.com/breakingnews/article/809969--flyers-complete-shocking-comeback?bn=1]
:A stunning comeback, and certainly noteworthy, only the third time it has ever happened in the NHL, and the fourth time in all major league north american sports. '''[[User:Harrias|<span style="color:#00cc33;">Harrias</span>]]''' [[User_talk:Harrias|<sup style="color:#009900;">talk</sup>]] 01:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Essentially a quarter-final series.  We'll post the Stanley Cup winner, but that's enough NHL, IMO. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' posting anything on the playoffs until someone wins the Stanley Cup. Impressive achievement, but really not interesting to anyone except hockey fans that will already know about it. Incidentally, comparisons with other 'major league north american sports' are totally facetious. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' they are the fourth team in professional sports history to do it, which makes it more notable then that perfect game, but still. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong Oppose''' sporting comebacks occur all the time. There was a massive turnover in the final over of Pakistan v Australia in the semi final of the T20 yesterday. No big deal. Report the final outcome in a couple of weeks. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 08:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': In each of the 3 sports' top leagues, there have been ~12,000 best of seven series. Out of those ~12,000, a 4-3 comeback after trailing 0-3 only happened 4 times, although this is the third time for the NHL. The other was the Red Sox in 2004. Never happened in the NBA. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 13:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

====Jessica Watson====
16-year-old [[Jessica Watson]] completes an unassisted solo circumnavigation of the world. [http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/solo-sailor-looks-like-a-million-dollars-20100514-v4gu.html?autostart=1]
:Massive wall-to-wall coverage in Australia; significant coverage internationally (eg [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/sailing/article7124873.ece Times], [http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/13/jessica-watson-round-world-solo-sail Guardian]. She would be the youngest ever to circumnavigate the world but there is controversy about whether she's done it properly. Putting this nom up a few hours early because I fear I'll be at work when it happens. If this gets support, the question is whether the blurb should say she is the "youngest" person to have achieved this feat. [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/sailing/article7124873.ece The Times] says straight up that she is as a statement of fact and then later notes that the achievement might not be recognised by the World Sailing Speed Record Council. In my view that arguably means we can say she is the youngest as a fact - the Council isn't denying the achievement, it's just not recognising it. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::If there's dispute as to whether or not she properly sailed around the world, I see no reason to post this on ITN.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 00:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Regardless of whether or not there is controversy, I would support this if there is confirmation by a ruling body. Unfortunately, the [[World Sailing Speed Record Council]] does not appear to recognize records set by sailors under 18 years old. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 04:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''.  Its major news regardless of record status. For all intents and purposes, she's the youngest person to compete a solo, unassisted round the world voyage; recognition by WSSRC and that dispute is irrelevant to ''this'' discussion. &ndash;[[User talk:Moondyne|Moondyne]] 13:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Difficult one. A remarkable achievement, but one which does not appear to have satisfied the criteria for a record (not only age, but also distance). '''Weak oppose''' for now, though I might change my mind. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::She is certainly ''in the news'', but the issue of the record is a major controversy. Records for ''youngest'' are no longer recognised both in international sailing, and by other bodies such as the Guinness Book of Records. This is for the obvious reason of not wanting to encourage attempts by people far too young to do it safely. She also did not travel far enough to satisfy formal requirements for ''around the word''. The circumference of the earth is around 40,000km. She travelled around 26,000km. Someone suggested that her trip might more accurately (albeit outrageously) be described as ''circumnavigating Antarctica''. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 21:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:My thoughts 24 hours after nominating this are as follows. The feat is very newsworthy and most reliable sources (eg Reuters) are saying she is the youngest to "sail around the world", staying away from the term "circumnavigate". That is ITN worthy. However, obviously there is controversy about whether her journey constituted a circumnavigation and she clearly won't be given any official records. So I think the difficulty in having a meaningful blurb that won't create (justifiable) controversy at Main Page:Errors probably outweighs the benefit of putting this on ITN. Which is a shame because I do think it is ITN worthy. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:38, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 14==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 14}}
===ITN candidates for May 14===

====Atlantis====
*[http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0514/space.html The space shuttle Atlantis is to launch on a mission today to deliver a Russian docking module to the International Space Station.] —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 15:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:obvious support. its the last Atlantis mission! -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 16:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::The last space shuttle mission is scheduled for this year. Is this it? If not, let's wait until that last lift-off. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Per [[WP:ITNR]] we post all shuttle launches, but this is even bigger because it is ''Atlantis''' last. The last ever space shuttle will be ''Discovery'' in September. —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 17:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' - it's the last mission of the [[Space Shuttle Atlantis]], which is certainly notable. I think only four or five were built in total and two have been destroyed so I think we can list the retirement's of each of the remaining shuttles when they happen --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 17:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, I believe there was some discussion here whether we should reconsider that the last time a shuttle went up. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 18:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::There was indeed, and there's ongoing discussion on the space criteria at [[WT:ITNR]]. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
{{od2}} (If and when it happens...) {{OV|104}} is successfully '''[[STS-132|launched]]''' for the last time. Maybe? —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 17:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak support'''. Not a particularly interesting flight, but the last of this shuttle. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''', would be significant anyway, being the last flight of Atlantis makes it even more so. Suggested wording: "{{OV|104}} launches on its '''[[STS-132|final mission]]''', to deliver the [[Rassvet (ISS module)|Rassvet]] module to the [[International Space Station]]." --'''''[[User:GW Simulations|<font color="#115566">G</font>]][[User talk:GW_Simulations|<font color="#496636">W</font>]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/GW_Simulations|…]] 18:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''', Completely agree with GW above.  This is the FINAL mission and is just as significant as the maiden mission. [[User:Aalox|Aalox]] ([[User talk:Aalox|talk]]) 18:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' There is a launch photo that can be cropped as well. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 19:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::I would recommend [[:File:STS-132 launching.jpg]]. Since the launch has now taken place, can we get this posted now. --'''''[[User:GW Simulations|<font color="#115566">G</font>]][[User talk:GW_Simulations|<font color="#496636">W</font>]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/GW_Simulations|…]] 20:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' If this is the FINAL mission, wouldn't it make more sense to highlight the landing instead of the launch ??? [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 20:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::We usually post the launches. I would suggest posting the landing of Endeavour's final flight ''as well as'' the launch, but in this case, the launch should do. If there isn't much news at around the time of landing, we could consider that as well. --'''''[[User:GW Simulations|<font color="#115566">G</font>]][[User talk:GW_Simulations|<font color="#496636">W</font>]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/GW_Simulations|…]] 21:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Other comment''' The other question is that we still have [[STS-135]], the next mission of ''Atlantis'' after its final mission. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 21:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
*Oh, the peanut gallery is going to ''love'' this. I can't wait to see the [[T:MP]] thread started 10 minutes after this goes up! I need a better blurb, though. Cargoking- your suggestion implies that there might be future launches that aren't successful and the lack of a destination in it makes it sound as though this was done for NASA's amusement. I'm going to stick this up now, but suggestions are welcome. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

[[File:STS-132 launching.jpg|right|100x100px]]
:*Suggest: <code>[[Space Shuttle Atlantis|Space Shuttle ''Atlantis'']] ''(pictured)'' launches on its '''[[STS-132|final mission]]''' to the [[International Space Station]] from [[Kennedy Space Center]], [[Florida]].</code> [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 21:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::*I was going to go with something almost identical to that, but it implies its the shuttle's last mission to the ISS, not its last mission full stop. I used the suggested image though (after downloading it, cropping it and re-uploading it). [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::*It is also possible to use "<code>final scheduled mission</code>" to allow for future launches of the orbiter (which are not yet planned. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 21:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Final ''scheduled'' mission is how NASA is calling it to get around STS-135. [http://www.nasa.gov]. So modifing GW's suggested wording: "{{OV|104}} ''(pictured)'' launches on its '''[[STS-132|final scheduled mission]]''', to deliver the [[Rassvet (ISS module)|Rassvet]] module to the [[International Space Station]]." How does that work? --[[User:Aalox|Aalox]] ([[User talk:Aalox|talk]]) 23:30, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Addition. I did not notice this is already on In The News.  I suggest changing the blurb to the above, at the very least, change the wiki link to ''[[Final Scheduled Mission]]'' as that is more notable then a successful launch.--[[User:Aalox|Aalox]] ([[User talk:Aalox|talk]]) 23:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::DANG! You guys are too fast!  Thanks!--[[User:Aalox|Aalox]] ([[User talk:Aalox|talk]]) 23:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm just ''that'' good! ;) [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Thai political protests]]====
[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7126129.ece The Times]  Possibly time for this to make a reappearance.  The government seems to be pretty keen to end it now.  Apparently there have been two deaths and at least 20 wounded since last night.  Article has yet to be updated - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''support'''. It's on all headlines. But please expand --[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 15:04, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Looks like someone has started to expand it at [[2010_Thai_political_protests#14_May-present_crisis]] - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 16:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm indecisive on this one. It does appear the government has shifted to a more hardline approach, but this also means we may expect another incident which makes ITN on its own accord. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 17:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' - This is an ongoing situation so I think we can list this on the main page again. Its easy enough to update the blurb if things change while its on the main page --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 17:30, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Thailand-Clashes-Death-Toll-Rises-As-Red-Shirt-Protesters-Continue-To-Battle-Police-In-Bangkok/Article/201005315632404?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15632404_Thailand_Clashes%3A_Death_Toll_Rises_As_Red_Shirt_Protesters_Continue_To_Battle_Police_In_Bangkok (Sky News)] 17 dead and 161 killed overnight.  How do we feel about: "At least 17 people are killed and 161 injured as [[Thailand|Thai]] government forces '''[[2010_Thai_political_protests#14_May-present_crisis|clash]]''' with [[National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship|red shirt]] protesters".  Though there is plenty of scope for improvement in that - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Posted. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 14:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I suggest the blurb also mentions the 'live fire zone' which has been designated. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

====Mine explosion in China 21 dead====
Will post link as soon as I get it.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Here are the links [http://news.google.com.pk/news/more?client=opera&rls=en-GB&q=Mine+explosion&oe=utf-8&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dzwjZFOI239Qr_MqPOczwmeUyxujM&ei=5uTsS7-LI8SmOK681ZAI&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&cd=1&resnum=1&ved=0CB0QqgIoADAA Google news]. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks, done. The incident has led to firings and suspensions while the mine owner has disappeared so this seems good enough for the Main Page. <code> At least 21 people are killed and five are wounded in an '''[[2010 Yuanyang colliery outburst|outburst]]''' at a [[Coal mining|colliery]] in [[Puding County]], [[Anshun]], [[Guizhou]]. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Question''': does a month go by ''without'' a major industrial accident in China? [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Is that a question or a statement ;) --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 17:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It has a question mark at the end, seems to qualify according to our article on [[question]]s :p [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, to answer the question, possibly... no. But people get blown up in Iraq and shot in the United States quite regularly yet the most serious of such incidents feature on ITN. In this case (besides the death, injury and general misery) several important officials have been fired or suspended and the mine owner has gone missing. There is also significant evidence of international coverage as displayed in the article. [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/05/201051453445746509.html Aljazeera], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8681855.stm BBC], [http://www.euronews.net/2010/05/14/china-mine-blast-leaves-21-dead/ euronews], [http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=126443&sectionid=351020404 Press TV] and so on. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: Not sure if this qualifies as "the most serious of such incidents", esp. with the more serious [[2010 Wangjialing coal mine flood]] only a few weeks ago and still fresh on one's (at least my) memory. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Sayeeda Warsi, Baroness Warsi|New British government includes first Muslim woman minister of Pakistan origin]]====
[http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/05/13/uk.muslim.minister/?hpt=T2] --[[User:Saqib Qayyum|<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:#000000;color:black"><i>Saki</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Saqib Qayyum|talk]]</span></sup> 07:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' local news to UK - plus there's been lots of election coverage already. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 07:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Local news with no significance other than trivial even in UK. Forget rest of the world. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 07:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' not even significant enough for its own story in the UK, let alone ITN. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' unelected, token gesture. Barely 20 seconds of coverage on BBC News. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 11:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Sayeeda Warsi is one of the few senior tories I have a shred or respect for, but this isn't that significant even in the UK. As a side note, I don't think she is even the first minister of Pakistani origin. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  11:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::She's the first [[Cabinet of the United Kingdom|cabinet]] minister of Pakistani origin, but I agree its entirely trivial information --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 17:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Trivial. Great PR, but ultimately trivial.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 13==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 13}}
===ITN candidates for May 13===
====Namadi Sambo====
President [[Goodluck Jonathan]] [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/05/201051317124433566.html nominates] '''[[Namadi Sambo]]''' to serve as [[Nigeria]]'s vice president. I'm nominating this to see where the discussion goes. Again, apologies about being unable to sign - I have no time right today to work out what is going on but I'll check tomorrow. ;)

*Hmm. So their campaign ticket is 'Goodluck Sambo'? :o [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

<small>Almost as good as the leaders of China, [[Hu Jintao|Who]] and [[Wen Jiabao|When]]. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)</small>

::If he wins. 
::But '''strong support''' a new chief of state (or vice decision) is big. and the powder-keg taht is Nigeria means this sets some solid precedence, Goodluck will now run again it seems.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 23:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The article isn't very good, and I can't imagine there's much interest among the vast majority of our readers in the ''vice''-president of any African country, no matter how populous. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Do we only cater for the "vast majority"? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:09, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Oppose'''. Goodluck becoming president is significant. His vice president is less so. And the mere ''nomination'' of his vice president is less still. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Modest Genius encapsulates my views well.--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:30, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Aban Pearl]]====
An offshore drilling rig '''''[[Aban Pearl]]''''' sank on the [[Caribbean Sea]].

Maybe not the major mainstream news, but in the light of the [[Deepwater Horizon accident]] this is definitely newsworthy coincident. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 18:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' A coincidence is all it is, I would rather an updated item about the original disaster was posted than this. For the record: ''"Venezuelan energy officials said that the sunken natural gas rig posed no environment threat and that no workers had died".'' [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/world/americas/14venez.html?partner=rss&emc=rss] Coincidence aside, I cannot even see how the rig is notable enough for an article even. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Note'''. I've put it up for Afd [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aban Pearl|here]]. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]])
*'''Support'''. [http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/energy/oil--gas/Aban-Offshores-gas-platform-Pearl-sunk-off-the-coast-of-Venezuela/articleshow/5928017.cms Source] It is "India's largest offshore drilling and oil field services provider", it is supposed to have "suffered a major setback", it was『one of Aban’s biggest money spinning rig earning $358,000 dollars or about a crore and a half rupees a day』and "it is one of the biggest revenue generators". And now I want to sign but I can't seem to find how this is done...
*'''Oppose''' On balance, not significant enough. Candlewicke: you seem to be having the same irritating problems with the sign button as me. I just reverted to the old formatting by clicking "take me back". --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
*Type 4 tildes the old-fashioned way! Or change back. Or both. I think that's useful for the article and may just save it from deletion but it's not significant enough for ITN, thus I '''oppose'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' since there's no widespread effect, nor major loss of life. <small>I wasn't aware there was ever a method of signing OTHER than typing four tildes!</small> [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 12==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 12}}
===ITN candidates for May 12===
==== UEFA Europa League ====
[[Atlético Madrid]] '''[[2010 UEFA Europa League Final|defeats]]''' [[Fulham F.C.]], becoming the first winner of the UEFA Europa League, the succeedor of the UEFA Cup.

For me it's good to mention it in the template.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 23:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

''Moved from FE:''
*The final of the [[2009–10 UEFA Europa League]] takes place in Hamburg. Not as straight forward as the Champions League, but given that football is without doubt the biggest sport in Europe, I feel there is a strong argument for this to go up. The total population of the nations from which there are participant clubs is half a billion and even though it is the second highest level of competition in Europe it is still a huge deal. Probably a good compromise if the winners of [[Serie A]], [[La Liga]] and the [[Premier League]] aren't listed --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 21:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. This seems to make sense. The four semi-final teams are from several countries and seem to have good histories: [[Atlético Madrid|"one of the most successful in Spanish League history"]] + [[Hamburger SV|"one of (Germany's) oldest, most well known, and best performing clubs]], with the unique distinction of having played continuously in top-flight German football since the end of World War I; the team has never been relegated from any top-flight league and is the only team that has always played in the 1. Bundesliga since its foundation in 1963, a record in Germany" + [[Liverpool F.C.|a club with more trophies than any other English club and an English record number of European Cups]] + [[Fulham F.C.|London's oldest professional club]] (and they seem to have already eliminated [[2009 UEFA Cup Final|the defending champions]]). --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Heh, with the English teams eliminated at the Champions League, this is the next best thing, eh?
::P.S.: I don't think the defending champs of this tournament would really want to "defend" their championship. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 07:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::So basically it's the [[NIT]]?  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 08:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, this NIT has plenty of article views. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 08:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Or maybe its a test to see how many of those who freely supported the inclusion of the NCAA finals, as the second level of basketball in the US, will be openly hypocritical and oppose this.  Who knows? -[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 09:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::So is this some kind of a [[WP:GAMING|game]] or something? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::No that was a [[joke]]. Come on Howard! I nominated this last year and have always felt it should be included given how big a deal football is within Europe. However, its worth pointing out that last year this was opposed on the basis that the NCAA finals were not included. This years the precedent has been changed... but who knows... my experience is wiki editors can often be a fickle bunch (and yes even I fall under that banner - fickleness is a wiki disease). --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 09:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::The NCAA made it because Butler made it. Last year two Ukrainian clubs made it to the semifinals and even that wasn't posted. The NCAA blurb was, like all ITN discussions not in [[WP:ITNR]], not [[stare decisis]]. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:(un-indent) Who says it is? My point is that one of the fundamental outcomes of including NCAA was the that rules applied in the past that only the top level of sport in a given area should be included were false. My nomination, as with last year, is that within football in Europe, the Europa League (or UEFA Cup as was known) is a major international competition second only to the Champions League as a UEFA Competition. I feel that last year, the fact that [[Shakhtar Donetsk]] became the first Ukrainian side to win should have been included, but other users (and I'm sure you will have had something to say ;) were opposed on the basis that a) it was the second level UEFA competition in Europe b) the NCAA finals had not been previously posted. If you have a valid opposition then make that clear and explain why, rather than throwing out semi cryptic sarcastic comments. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 09:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Eh... I did [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/May 2009#ITN candidates for May 20|support (sorta) the addition of the 2009 UEFA Cup Final]].
::And I dunno where the top-level "pseudo"-rules came from. And with the awesome record by the four clubs remaining as told by Candlewicke, I don't think we'd see any type of "Butler" (near) upset this year. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]'''
:::Yes, but your rationale in that instance (there had been loads of Rugby blurbs before so this could 'balance' it), is exactly the type of [[stare decisis]] you've just accused me of. The UEFA cup may not have the underdog factor (although if Fulham make the final it would certainly be a story given that they have never won a top level competition), however it has a far higher level of international interest. Clubs from over 40 countries are eligible. My argument is, we have established that second level competitions can be included, although they should be analysed on a case by case basis. In this instance there is a huge amount of international interest and a massive target audience and I feel that these factors combined with the fact that football is the most popular sport on the planet warrant inclusion --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 09:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::::As I have said earlier, not everyone wants to win this: the defending champion may have been more thrilled playing at the Champions League qualifying than repeating as champions, although clubs from weaker countries may want to win, clubs from stronger nations don't. I even read that English clubs don't care what happens here, although that may change with Fulham (which hasn't won anything), and Liverpool (their only chance for a silverware this season).
::::And I really don't buy that international interest argument since there are 40 nations competing, considering that Europe per se is split into 40+ nations and the mainland of North America (which has a larger land area than all of Europe) only has 10 countries. If we're into that, then the [[ASEAN Basketball League]] (6 countries) has a "higher" international interest than the [[National Basketball Association]] (USA + [[Toronto]]). &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Where have you got this idea that Shakhtar didn't want to defend their title. You can't choose what competition you play in. Shakhtar finished second in their league and had an opportunity to qualify for the Champions League. You not asked, what would you rather do, have a shot at qualifying for the Champions League ''or'' enter the Europe League, you're given the chance to qualify anyway. Shakhtar had to attempt to qualify, but they lost meaning that the entered the Europa League. They then lost in the last 32 game against Fulham and were simply knocked out of the competition. They didn't withdraw because they didn't want to defend their title or whatever you think they did. 
:::::As for how big it is, where have you got the idea that only little clubs like it. Are you really saying that clubs such as [[Liverpool]], [[Juventus]], [[Valencia]], [[Benfica]] and [[Roma]] etc are small clubs, because all of them played in this years tournament. Of course teams want to qualify and win the Champions League because it is the top level of football in Europe, but that doesn't mean that they would inherently turn down winning the Europa. The way football works is that if you finish in the top 2 or 3 spaces in you're league you qualify for the champions league (top four in England, Spain and Italy) and if you finish 4th or 5th (5th or 6th in Eng, Ita and Spa) you qualify for the Europa League. All the clubs they reach the latter stages are still big clubs with massive global fan bases and are not little teams. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 10:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::You can choose a competition -- if you play well. Shakhtar would've been more thrilled to play in the Champions League but they crashed out so they played. They're a small club so they'll take it. Bigger clubs don't take it seriously, unless it is their chance for silverware, which is the case for Liverpool. I didn't say all teams that competed here are small clubs: I said small clubs are more thrilled to play in the "main" (Champions League) competition than this one. While the bigger clubs don't really care that much. It's like the [[FA Cup]] and the [[League Cup]]. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 10:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry Howard, but you have a distinct lack of knowledge of football if you think Shakhtar chose which competition to play in or if you think that big clubs that are participating within it, do not care. I would also state that there are no 'small clubs' that play in either UEFA competition. This is not like the FA cup or any other domestic competition were any team is eligible to enter. In order to play in either the Champions League or Europa League you have to have finished as one of the top 5 clubs in you country (for smaller nations this if often the top 2 or 3) or you must have won your nation's domestic cup competition. Also your assertion that the 'biggest' clubs in Europe don't care about the UEFA cup is a fallacy, because why would you care about a competition that you are not participating in. What is important is that the 80 or so clubs that do enter the competition care about it, which is very much the case. Fundamentally your argument seems to be based around you inside knowledge of the goings on inside Shakhtar and I have to ask where are you getting this information from. Do you know [[Mircea Lucescu]] personally? --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 08:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::As what I've said earlier, Shakhtar could've chose, and I'd bet it'll be the Champions League. what competition they'd end up playing by playing well in their domestic league. Since they did not qualify in the Champions League, they were just happy to receive Europa Cup berths. I know how the system works, such as Linfield being in the Champions League (qualification) since time immemorial. You don't have to post a lengthy explanation for that. Everyone knows that all teams from all European leagues would kill for a place in the Champions League. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 16:20, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But that is obvious!. Of course teams want to qualify for the Champions League, because by doing so it means they must have finished higher in the league. No team is ever going to prefer finishing fifth and qualify for the Europa rather than finishing fourth and qualifying for the Champions League. But that doesn't mean the Europa is a nothing competition. It just means it is the second tier of UEFA sanction football --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 16:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's put it this way: I dunno about the other 3, but Liverpool is on track in losing the Premier League. If they win the Europa League, it'll be their only piece of silverware this season. If they hold an [[Open top bus#Usage|open top bus parade]] around town it means winning this competition is a big thing; if no, then it probably doesn't deserve an ITN blurb. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 05:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Well if you don't know about the other three clubs, why are you commenting as if you are an expert on football so much? Also since when did having a victory parade become a rational reason for including a sporting items? Half the team sports listed at ITNR would not be included if we followed that odd logic. The simple fact is that the UEFA cup is the second tier of UEFA sanctioned football, has participants from almost 50 countries that have a combined population of almost twice that of the US, is a top level competition in the world's most popular sport and is watched by tens of millions of people across the globe. I have nominated it here as a compromise because, despite being suggested before, it is highly unlikely we will list the league winners of the three biggest football leagues in the world (Premier League, Serie A and La Liga) and it seems very odd that in what is the very centre of the world's most popular sport we only have one ITN listing per year, whilst even Rugby has two! --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually I could've looked at the articles to see if the other three teams have a chance of winning silverware other than the UEFA Cup. I know for a fact that Liverpool are facing an uphill battle in the Premier League.
:::::As for victory parades, I thought it was standard fare in Western nations? North American big 4 leagues do it, Liverpool and Barca did it when they won the Champions League, Italy won it when they won the World Cup, Munster did it when they won the H-Cup.
:::::P.S. I have no problem in having three ''separate'' blurbs on those three leagues (I've even supported adding [[the FA Cup]] on even-not-so-special-situations, but that doesn't mean we should add all cup competitions. For example, the Italian Cup has had dismal attendance.); I'm skeptical on this one. As you've said it, it's second-tier. Just as people who opposed the NBA since it is "a domestic league" with the reasoning that "a domestic league is a domestic league", same with this one: "second tier is second tier".
:::::I'm not entirely convinced that "has participants from almost 50 countries that have a combined population of almost twice that of the US, is a top level competition in the world's most popular sport and is watched by tens of millions of people across the globe" argument. In the final, there are only two teams competing, for the maximum of two countries, with other countries watching when they have players competing (for example South Koreans watched Manchester United played in the UEFA CL final). Not even majority of the football fans in that country might watch it. For example, when Manchester United won their first Champions League, most [[Leeds United]] fans didn't watch.
:::::And what's the problem with "my football credentials"? We people discussed the NCAA item and nobody asked about each other's NCAA basketball credentials. I don't think those who opposed the NCAA basketball championship have probably seen a college basketball game in its entirety and know what is happening. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 08:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Firstly, you're the one who said "''Let's put it this way: I dunno about the other 3''". I was simply commenting that is was a very odd thing to say when you are attempting to argue the ins and outs of European football, as it is you yourself admitting a lack of knowledge. You were also the one who seemed for some reason to believe Shahktar Donetsk chose what competition they played in, an assumption I can only assume was based on you not understanding the way teams qualify for European tournaments (or why else would you think a team would ever rather finish second and qualify for the UEFA cup rather than finish 1st and qualify for the Champions League). 
:::Secondly, you state that a 'second tier competition is a second tier competition'... well is that case for all sports except those in the US? The NCAA basketball is not the top level of basketball in the US, yet that got included, or are you going to rebut this with your oft played [[Stare decisis]] response. Funny how that only pops up with items you are opposed to and not ones you support. The simple fact is you can oppose an item for any reason you want, but when a precedent has been set that allows a second tier competition to be posted, simply responding I oppose because it is a second tier competition is inherently flawed. Either that or you are openly admitting you are biased. I opposed the NCAA item until someone could show there was enough international interest in the competition, which ''was'' proven, so I ultimately had no problem with its inclusion on ITN. I can prove plenty of non-European interest in the UEFA cup, or does the 'international interest' rule only apply to items that you support?
:::At the end of the day, you and I can argue till we are black and blue, but it is ultimately pointless so its better to just let other people have a say when the time comes --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 09:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
* '''Support''': it's a little bit of bias I'll grant you, but Fulham finished this season in the '''bottom half''', and very nearly caused a huge huge upset. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#006600;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 12:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
**Any more? That template's gone red for the first time since I got the bit :( [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  12:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' notable to tens of millions of people. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
*There is nothing about what happened in the match. [[Special:Contributions/112.205.163.55|112.205.163.55]] ([[User talk:112.205.163.55|talk]]) 12:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
*I am willing to '''support''' but the article needs some ''prose'' about the final first. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 13:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support'''. The competition is stronger than defuct Uefa Cup, then makes notability. - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 19:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. NCAA and 2nd v 3rd in boxing goes up, for simply being popular, yet this does not? Sorry, [[WP:CLUE|does not compute]]. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

::The support seems to be here but I wouldn't want to see it posted without at least some text in the match section, at the moment it is entirely statistics - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 19:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Ditto- we have the support but lack the update. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll make an update now --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 20:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've made an update at [[2010_UEFA_Europa_League_Final#Summary]]. Something like ''"In [[association football]], [[Atlético Madrid]] '''[[2010 UEFA Europa League Final|defeat]]''' [[Fulham F.C.]] to become the first winners of the [[UEFA Europa League]]"'' should be ok. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 21:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Posted, thanks for the update - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 21:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The second best competition for a sport from only one continent? This would be equivalent to posting the results of the NIT for college basketball. I'm all for more stories on the front page but this is just far too small. [[Special:Contributions/140.209.23.162|140.209.23.162]] ([[User talk:140.209.23.162|talk]]) 22:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::How can this go on? The Asian/African CHAMPIONS LEAGUE winners don't and a 3rd rate (2nd rate) tournament gets on here becasue its UEFA? Even the Copa Libertores doesnt get there?[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 23:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The Asian Champions League is very poor. [[Adelaide United]] came second once and the other Australian teams in it, most of their players who ever played in Europe played in third-flight football. The Europa League is mostly the 4th-6th best teams in each country, roughly. Most of the ACL players would struggle in the worst 2nd flight teams and some can't even get a game in a 3rd fligth team '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  00:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose'''. Remember this is a ''consolation tournament'' for those teams which weren't good enough for the Champions League. The only people who pay any attention to the tournament are those who support teams in it (at least until the final or maybe semis). Nowhere near significant enough. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Tournament is insufficiently significant. The best teams in Europe are ''excluded'' from it. No more needs to be said.--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' People seriously need to get some perspective here. UEFA is the biggest continental football association in the world, not just by a mile, but by a galaxy. The Champions League is the biggest continental club competition similarly. These are international club tournaments of top level professional teams playing the almost universal European national sport (I think Albania is still mad for handball). UEFA encompasses ''fifty three'' nations. It isn't a college tournament, and it isn't a 'World Series'. UEFA could create a third tier, and even a fourth tier tournament, and the international interest in, and coverage of, those tournaments would still be bigger than some of the stuff that regularly sails onto the front page for no other reason than ''technically'', it is the top level of some sport, which doesn't even have to be that popular. The Europa League passes every single other criteria for 'international significance' that has ever been used to justify a sporting item. It was expanded from the UEFA Cup into the Europa League format, and given a title more like their most famous competition, ''precisely because'' broadcasters can't get enough of it. It would be quicker to list the number of non-European countries that did not broadcast it, than those that did. [http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Competitions/UEFACup_/67/58/75/675875_DOWNLOAD.pdf]. Failing to get into the Champions League and having to settle for the Europa league, is like failing to score with Gwyneth Paltrow and ending up with Kiera Knightly. Some of the stuff that does make ITN is frankly, more like having to accept Mylee Cyrus or nothing. If being a second tier tournament (I cannot even call it a 'consolation' tournament without laughing at the absurdity) is the only reason it cannot go up, then pretty obviously, it's not the nomination that is in error. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 02:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::The tournament is full of second rate teams that couldn't cut it in a big boys league. Nothing else needs to be said. The appeal is limited to a fringe group of people. It should not be included on the front page. [[Special:Contributions/97.116.23.94|97.116.23.94]] ([[User talk:97.116.23.94|talk]]) 02:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''': Is there a limit on number of soccer/football tournaments which make it to ITN? I think every other tournament is posted on ITN. On other hand many good tournaments from other games such as cricket have to face the axe. I agree this is league of second rate teams and should be pulled down from front page. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 07:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Football is the most popular sport in the world, so naturally it should have the most postings. The inclusion or exclusion of other items should have no bearing on the  inclusion or exclusion of this item.  I am getting really tired of people essentially saying "a sport tournament I supported didn't make it, so most other sport tournaments shouldn't be featured either." (The converse argument - "I sport I don't support made it, so every other sport should too." is equally annoying.) --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 17:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
*:Also, one shouldn't read much into the late opposition after the posting - this seems to happen for nearly every sport, and sometime other stories too. It likely doesn't reflect the true balance of opinion because people who are unhappy with a decision are many times more likely to show up after the fact to complain than people who are happy about it are likely to show up to say "I agree". --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 17:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I would also add that it is ridiculous to assert that the teams playing in this competition are second rate teams. Generally speaking, the teams that enter this competition at the beginning of the season finish between 4th and 6th in Spain, Italy and England, 3rd or 4th in Germany and France and 2nd or 3rd from most other countries. Next season big clubs such as Lyon, PSV, Liverpool, Man City, Porto, Galatasaray and Werder Bremen will be playing in the competition and anyone who thinks they are nothing clubs has no idea what they are talking about. Just because the top ten biggest clubs in the whole of Europe are not in the competition shouldn't detract from the fact that it is still a big deal in footballing terms --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 17:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Did it ever occur to you that the reason the clubs you describe as "big" are in this competition because they are second rate and are not good enough to qualify for the Champions League. The American NIT has big teams as well but the competition pales in comparison to the NCAA. To include Mickey Mouse Cups and tournaments cheapens the significance of the important teams. [[Special:Contributions/97.116.18.242|97.116.18.242]] ([[User talk:97.116.18.242|talk]]) 20:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry but this ridiculous comparison of the Europa League (an international, professional football league) to the [[National Invitation Tournament]] (an amateur college basketball league in America) is quite frankly astounding. I mean there is just no comparison and the attempts to do are, well, unbelievable. To again use the example of the (likely) teams in next seasons competition, you have Porto (Champions League winners in 2004, with 24 Portuguese League titles), Liverpool (Champions League winners in 2005, runners up in 2007), and probably Lyon (who've won the French League title a record 7 times in a row between 2002 and 2008 and got to the semi finals of this seasons Champions League). At the end of the day I'm still find it amazing that a team that ranks 5th of 92 professional teams in England or 3rd of 50+ in Germany is considered to be a 'second rate' team. I mean the players are so second rate that we won't be seeing a single player who played in the Europa League this season, [[Diego Forlan|appearing]] [[David Villa|in]] [[Fernando Torres|this]] [[Javier Mascherano|year's]] [[Steven Gerrard|world]] [[Sergio Aguero|cup]]... --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 22:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Hey, it's not that bad. [[Olimpio Cipriano]], the best Angolan basketball player, can't even crack the [[Euroleague]], and that's second rate, and he regularly competes in the World Championships and the Olympics. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 13:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think the NIT/Europa League comparison is that out of whack.  The Europa league is definitely a bigger deal but both are consolation tournaments which the big teams don't compete in.  As far as this 'second rate' comment, I would certainly rate Fulham as a second rate European side. It's pretty much inconceivable that they would win the Champions League or even qualify for it.  Liverpool and A. Madrid are bigger teams of course.  Overall, FWIW I personally '''oppose''' this posting as there are more prestigious football competitions.--[[Special:Contributions/81.200.20.249|81.200.20.249]] ([[User talk:81.200.20.249|talk]]) 14:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::(unindent) - Well by that argument are we to presume that teams such as [[APOEL Nicosia]], [[FC Unirea Urziceni]] or [[Debrecen]] are subsequently first tier teams just because they participate in the Champions League? The simple fact is that in football in Europe the best clubs are concentrated in a handful of leagues, but because the Champions League is for champions, you end up with smaller teams from smaller countries competing in the CL and big teams from bigger countries competing in the Europa League. Admittedly the Europa League is not the same competition is was back in the 70s and 80s, but the assertion that there is a definitive class break between teams in the two competition is completely false because the rules are inherently designed to make sure teams from smaller leagues can still have their day with the big boys. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:09, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::No, making the Champions League definitely doesn't mean they're 'first class' teams, but I think the old [[G-14]] is an indicator of which teams are 'first-class' Eurpean teams (though I'd say they're have been some power shifts since then.)  Another way to look at it is the teams that make the last 16 of the Champions League, which excludes the clubs mentioned above, and by definition excludes any clubs in the Europa League.  --[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:10, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

====Merkel's loss of majority====
According to [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7123362.ece ''The Times''], Merkel ''has'' lost her majority. I nominated earlier when it was less certain but it is buried somewhere below so I'll move it up. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:''Moved from 10 May''.
===== [[Merkel Cabinet II]] =====
[[File:Angela Merkel 24092007.jpg|right|100x100px|Angela Merkel]]
[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spectre-of-greek-payout-brings-humiliating-defeat-for-chancellor-merkels-coalition-1970006.html Chancellor Angela Merkel's ruling coalition was seriously weakened last night after her party suffered a humiliating defeat in a key regional state election which was certain to deprive her government of its crucial working majority in Germany's upper house of parliament]. If confirmed is this notable enough? I think there might have been a similar discussion about the US parliament losing some sort of majority but I can't remember if it was posted or if I am mistaking it for something else. [[North Rhine-Westphalia]] is Germany's most populous and most economically powerful state and this is Merkel's worst defeat if that helps. International coverage includes [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/05/20105916611718401.html Aljazeera], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8671609.stm BBC], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7701963/Angela-Merkels-coalition-loses-majority-in-upper-house-exit-polls-indicate.html ''The Daily Telegraph''], [http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/09/angela-merkel-german-regional-election ''The Guardian''], [http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=24&art_id=nw20100509222631328C952678 IOL], [http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/europe/la-fg-germany-election-20100510,0,2814611.story ''Los Angeles Times''],  [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/world/europe/10germany.html ''The New York Times''], [http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0509/germany.html RTÉ], [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7120295.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093 ''The Times''], [http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Merkel+suffers+voter+setback+after+Greece+bailout/3006399/story.html ''Vancouver Sun''], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-05/10/c_13284488.htm Xinhua]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:If my A-level in politics serves me (it ''was'' a while ago and my knowledge of German politics is slim), then there'd have to be an election if she actually lost her majority, which would be a much better item for ITN. Let's see where this goes, though. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  04:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::No, Candlewicke is right. The German "upper house" ([[Bundesrat]]) is not directly elected, but composed of the regional governments - and with the government of North-Rhine Westfalia due to change following its election defeat, Merkel's coalition indeed loses its majority there (while retaining their majority in the [[Bundestag]]). It's definitely top news in Germany, don't know about international notability though. --[[User:Roentgenium111|Roentgenium111]] ([[User talk:Roentgenium111|talk]]) 17:25, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Government of a large country like Germany losing its majority in the upper house of a legislature is ITN worthy. This is on a par with Scott Brown winning Massachusetts, which was on ITN. Support for this is conditional on reliable sources drawing a direct link between the outcome of the regional election and the loss of the upper house majority. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 01:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - no change at the top level of government. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 22:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Oppose'''. Firstly, even if the US Democrats lost their senate majority, I do not think it would, or should, justify an ITN post. Combined with the fact that German government seems to operate as a perma-coallition, I cannot see the wow factor of this event at all, outside of national interest. It is one of those nominations that would seem to require a blurb of nearly five lines to explain to the average non-German reader why it is internationally significant. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

====State of emergency====
The [[Egypt]]ian parliament has voted to extend the country's "state of emergency" for a further two years. [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/20105116134595496.html (Al Jazeera)] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8675856.stm (BBC)] [http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/5/11/worldupdates/2010-05-11T154949Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-483940-1&sec=Worldupdates (''The Star'')] Is there an article on the state of emergency or anything that could be used for this? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral''' They will continue to do so until US stops mentoring the dictator, or else a Chief Justice is removed forcefully, thus initiating a similar movement to [[Lawyers' Movement]]. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

====[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8676758.stm Libya plane crash 'kills all 105 on board]'====
105 reported dead. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 07:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' yep.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
**Now at [[Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771‎]]. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 08:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
**'''Posting''' now that the article is in a better shape. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  09:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
***We should probably add that a 10-year-old boy is the only survivor. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 22:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
****Added. Must have forgotten to mention that earlier. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  08:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

====[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8674179.stm Red Cross confirms 'second jail' at Bagram, Afghanistan]====
*The [[International Committee of the Red Cross]] confirms reports of a second, secret US prison at '''[[Bagram Air Base]]''' in [[Afghanistan]] after new allegations of torture. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8674179.stm (BBC)]
[[User:Knopffabrik|Knopffabrik]] ([[User talk:Knopffabrik|talk]]) 14:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''.  nothing new or unusual about US running [[Black site]]s--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 15:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This is serious enough if confirmed. There is nothing new or unusual about planes crashing or people dying in Iraq either but that doesn't stop them being in the ITN section at this moment. It is also reported [http://www.rnw.nl/international-justice/article/secret-prison-us-bagram-airbase-bbc-reports here] and [http://www.ecanadanow.com/world/2010/05/11/red-cross-confirms-uss-second-jail-in-afghanistan/ this] is something from Canada. Strangely enough, the US media does not seem to be reporting what the Red Cross has said. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. On balance, insufficiently significant. The Red Cross is merely confirming something that the US isn't denying, and there's no firm claim that there is anything significantly problematic about the prison. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I think this is really significant, US is still insisting that they only have one black prison in Afghanistan.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 11==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 11}}
===ITN candidates for May 11===
====Pakistan's ambassador to Iran, attacked====
[http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/16-pakistani+ambassador+attacked+injured+in+iran-hs-04 Pakistani ambassador attacked, injured in Iran].--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Doesn't seem to be a big deal as far as I can see. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  05:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

====Obama nominates [[Elena Kagan]] to Supreme Court====
Really? Did no one even mention this while I was gone? OK, so it's not a new prime minister, but it was the top story in just about the entire U.S. national media today (see [http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/main.asp Today's Front Pages]) and the [[Elena Kagan|article]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201005/Elena%20Kagan received 420,800 hits] yesterday. True, she hasn't been confirmed by the Senate yet, but confirmation of a Democratic president's nominee by a Democratic Senate is all but assured. 

All the same arguments from the Sotomayor discussion last year apply:
*There are only nine justices, and they serve as long as they want, meaning Kagan could serve until mid-century.
*The U.S. Supreme Court is extremely powerful and sets many of the most-important policies in the country, such as legalizing abortion, desegregating schools, establishing criminal suspects' rights, setting parameters on the use of the death penalty, allowing corporations to fund political ads, deciding the 2000 presidential election, etc. 
*Unlike in some other countries where the high court doesn't get much notice, there is a huge interest in Supreme Court membership among the politically engaged population in the U.S.
*There is talk that by replacing the reliably liberal Justice Stevens, Kagan could tilt the ideological balance of the court now or in the future.

Obviously, this entry should go below the more timely entry on Cameron. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' - There is absolutely no doubt that she will become the next justice, but even then, we should hold off until her confirmation is official, so as to prevent redundancy.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose'''. I'm not convinced the appointment of judges is important enough (regardless of the court), let alone mere nomination. Important judgements of the US Supreme Court can be nominated as and when they occur - who serves on that particular bench is not intrinsically notable enough for ITN. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::If the appointment of judges is "not important," why was it on the front page of every national U.S. newspaper and the lead story on all of the national TV news programs? I'm loathe to make this a personal confrontation, but do you think you know more about the U.S. judicial system than the entire U.S. media? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::So was the Tiger Woods scandal. Big deal. [[Special:Contributions/206.74.5.136|206.74.5.136]] ([[User talk:206.74.5.136|talk]]) 04:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Appointment of judges to Pakistani Supreme Court was listed on frontpage of every newspaper here, should we also post that ? --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::50% of our readers don't come from Pakistan. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 05:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We will be accused  of [[systematic bias]] then, I don't we should post this either. I'm not opposing bcz Pakistani appointments are not posted or vice versa, I opposing bcz it only relates to a single country it might be significant for U.S but not Internationally from where most are readers belong to. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 06:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Ummm, most of our readers (more than 50%) come from the US.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 07:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::You mean less than 50% are from the rest of the world ? any stats for that ? --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::[http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm this].  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 07:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks that are  interesting stats,  52.9% are from U.S, but should this affect are decisions ?  --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 08:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Of course the US media will be interested in domestic US politics. That doesn't mean ITN should be. ITN should strive to be international, beyond (perhaps despite) the readership statistics. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I second that, ITN ≠ US media. So we should try to remain "International".--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

'''Support'''. US judges should be a special case. Their appointments do get coverage in the international media, and for that reason they are internationally significant. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 00:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per WaltCip. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 00:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' despite the nominators claim, the confirmation is far from assured.  A lot can, and often does, happen between nomination and voting.  At least 2 of the last 10 nominees have withdrawn after issues emerged.  Additionally, there is small chance of a filibuster.

More importantly though is the fact that ITN should not be equated with level of interest, but rather level of international impact.  Thus the fact that the nomination gets more media coverage than the confirmation is irrelevant.  The change of the court's makeup (i.e. the actual confirmation) is the event that causes a real impact.  The nomination just shows a potential shift, not the actual shift. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 00:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:I respectfully disagree. I think this topic is "in the news" now and will be "old news" when Kagan is confirmed. Plus, now is the time people are likely to be looking for information on who this previously obscure person is, so I think it would be helpful to have a link on the main page (would have been better yesterday). -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::The purpose of the template isn't to provide a one click link for people who are already looking for a topic. It's not exactly hard to type in "Elena Kagan".  The purpose of the template is to inform people of news with impact.  For non-US readers - the ones who would actually benefit from the link - the news that matters is a confirmation.  If the purpose of ITN was to simply report every story that makes headlines, it would list completely different stories than it does.   By your logic, we shouldn't report the results of (most) elections since the outcome pretty much decided in advance, but instead report when a public opinion poll shows a clear favorite.  After all, polls are accurate a lot more often than 80%.  --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 01:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:::And if we were to use your logic, we wouldn't put up the results of a US presidential election until the Electoral College voting took place weeks later, nor would we put up the major-party nominations. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::The electoral college is, in all reality, symbolic in modern society (and incidentally isn't the final determiner of the election result anyway). A supreme court nominee's confirmation is not.  If it were [[Robert Bork]] and [[Harriet Miers]] would be on the court right now. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 01:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I won't opine because I'll probably end up being the one to post if there's consensus, but if this goes up, we should agree that the confirmation itself (or her taking office) should not go up. I have the article on my watchlist because of an RfPP request the other day and from the amount of editing going on, I'm hoping that's a lot of people updating the article! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
**I'm OK with not putting up the confirmation if we post the nomination. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 02:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::I have a feeling that, if we put this up, come confirmation there are going to be people arguing for it anyways. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 04:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for her confirmation. [[User:Grandmasterka|<font color="red">Grand</font>]][[User talk:Grandmasterka|<font color="blue">master</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Grandmasterka|<font color="green">ka</font>]] 02:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until confirmed. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 04:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Although her nomination might be significant in the U.S, but I don't think it hold any international significance. Justices are appointed to the highest courts all over the world and we can't start a dog race. Although if posted we might see more ITN-biased complains. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', its only really significant to the US, possibly the confirmation is worth posting. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 07:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' She's only been nominated.  Wait until she is confirmed, if that happens. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 10:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''--Let's wait at least for the confirmation.  We can't post every item that is on the front pages of all US newspapers, though this certainly is big news.  I'd also say that the US supreme court, and it's judges, is considered more important in the US and other courts in their own countries, so I might support the confirmation but not the nomination.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 15:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

====Gordon Brown resigns as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom====
[[Gordon Brown]] '''[[Gordon Brown#Resignation|resigns]]''' as [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]], leaving the way clear for '''[[David Cameron]]''' to become the next Prime Minister under a coalition between the [[Conservative Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|Conservatives]] and [[Liberal Democrats]]. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 18:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*He doesn't 'leave the way clear'. He is ''right now'' entering [[Buckingham Palace]] to tell the Queen he is resigning, and will "recommend she appoint the Leader of The Opposition" as the next Prime Minister, which is of course, Cameron. We will have a new Prime Minister in the next hour it seems. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Strong support''', let's post this quickly. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 18:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. '''[[User:Pyrrhus16|<font color="black">Pyrrhus</font>]]'''[[User talk:Pyrrhus16|<font color="#FF0000">16</font>]]''' 18:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I think we should put up when the new Prime Minister is appointed (i.e. David Cameron), rather than announce the resignation of the incumbent. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 18:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*:They are choreographed to be simultaneous events. Cameron will be PM before the day is out. Otherwise, who runs the country in the interim? The Queen? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Haha, that'd be amusing.  I agree - Brown wouldn't have resigned if he didn't know Cameron was ready to take over.  Regardless, I say wait until he's appointed. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 18:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Technically, the answer is yes. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 18:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Conditional support''' post when David Cameron becomes PM. Not sure about the notability for Brown's resignation, as it kind of comes with the process of having a "new" prime minister. Anyone who doesn't know about British politics (the majority of our readers) might get the idea that Gordon Brown is a Conservative. '''[[User:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span>]] [[User talk:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span>]]''' 18:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Concur''' Put up when Cameron becomes PM: Suggested blurb: "After agreeing a deal with the [[Liberal Democrats]], '''[[David Cameron]]''' becomes the [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]]". [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 18:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Could we post both, e.g. 'Gordon Brown resigns as PM and leader of the Labour party. David Cameron, leader of the Conservative party, becomes the new PM'? - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 18:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:We'd have to wait until Cameron is appointed by the Queen, though.  He doesn't automatically become PM after Brown resigns. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 18:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Posting both seems inappropriate, due to the significance of other reports too.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::They are the same event. Seriously guys, the UK always has a Prime Minister, just because we don't publicly know who it is yet, rest assured, the Trident missiles are in safe hands. Cameron is off to the Palace now, he'll be the publicly acknowledged PM in half an hour at most. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's always better when it is reported in the template as shorter as possible. Then, more common is to avoid unnecessary facts. The main point is that David Cameroon becomes new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, and the report should be concluded roughly.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 19:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not really. This is not, for the UK, a normal election and a normal transition of power. It is the end of 13 years of continual Labour government, and the first non-majority/multi party government in 3 decades. Had this been a normal election, this second posting wouldn't have even occured, we would have known the new PM immediately after the conclusion. Some of that needs working in somehow. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

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Suggested blurb:

*<div style="float:right;margin-left:0.5em;"> [[File:Davidcameron.jpg|100x100px|David Cameron]]</div>[[Queen Elizabeth II]] accepts the [[Gordon Brown#Resignation|resignation]] of the '''[[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]]''', [[Gordon Brown]], and appoints [[David Cameron]] ''(pictured)'' as his replacement, as the head of a new ???? government.

[[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:53, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Alternate 2:

*[[Queen Elizabeth II]] appoints [[David Cameron]] ''(pictured)'' as the new '''[[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]]''', as the head of a new ???? government, after accepting the '''[[Gordon Brown#Resignation|resignation]]''' of [[Gordon Brown]], ending 13 years of [[Labour Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|Labour]] government.

Alternate 3:
*[[Queen Elizabeth II]] appoints [[David Cameron]] ''(pictured)'' as the new '''[[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]]''', beginning the first coalition government since 1945.

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*Cameron will be the 19th [[Old Etonian]] to be appointed Prime Minister. I suppose NPOV disallows mentining that in the blurb lol. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' but suggest the blurb mention Cameron first, and Brown second. The emphasis of the blurb should be on the new Prime Minister, not the old one. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per Mkativerata. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 19:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' but suggest simply <code>'''[[David Cameron]]''' becomes [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|Prime Minister]] of the [[United Kingdom]] after the recent [[United Kingdom general election, 2010|general election]].</code> We can expand the blurb if necessary with details of the coalition. The announcement is due any moment, Cameron is already at the Palace. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

::Cameron on way back to Downing St now. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Just confirmed live on BBC1 that Cameron is PM. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Post now'''. Suggest Alternate 3. Cameron is the new Prime Minister. Sort the coallition details later, but it should go in. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Post now''' and go with Alt3 or something like it. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

*The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=361533713 current blurb] is wholly inadequate. It implies Cameron was simply Brown's deputy, or that the election was a walkover. It completely ignores it is the first coallition govt since 1945, (it's a full con-lib coallition, now confirmed). The poor Queen doesn't even get a look in. This isn't the US, she does actually have a role here, it is her house these two guys have been trapsing in and out of this evening to complete this transition. Why are admins simply changing around with the template, and haven't even bothered commenting here? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
**I don't think the "becomes" wording is great. The wording of Alt 2 and Alt 3 are better. Alt 2 in particular contextualises Cameron's appointment more clearly. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
**You're not the ''only'' one who proposed a blurb, first off. Secondly, if we were to incorporate everyone's demands for what the blurb should say, the whole template would be just this one thing; we can't put it all. Insofar as I see it, the only thing most of the rest of the world cares about is that Cameron is the new PM. But now you're demanding the Queen get a mention and the fact that the first coalition government in X years gets a mention. Then others want the election linked in there. Others want Brown's resignation in there. Sure, some combination of those should be in the blurb, but I don't see any evidence of agreement on what. I'm trying my best (and I presume Jdforrester did his); the world doesn't revolve around you. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 20:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
***There is clear support for mentioning the nature of the government, and only one proposed blurb does not include the Queen. This is presumbaly because these are the two crucial points which differentiate this event, and the UK, from any other tinpot nation's transition of power. But whatever, you figure it out between you using your bits if you want, I could care less. I waste far too much time of my life on this pointless board. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 20:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
****''Only one proposed blurb does not include the Queen.'' What? On the contrary, all of the proposed blurbs, aside from yours, omit the Queen. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 20:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
*****Whatever. As if that was even the main point. Still, the Queen appears in every update not controlled by admins, so maybe that says something. The most important aspect is the first coallition government for decades, the thing everybody was waiting for confirmation of after the news brown was stepping down came through. But no, we still have a blurb that simply suggests one party has replaced another, like any other ordinary transition. Five days has been included, from nowhere, but that is hardly going to educate people who don't know, or be of use to people who do. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

==== World Chess Championship 2010 ====
[[Vishwanathan Anand]] retains World Chess Champion title after his win 6½-5½ over [[Veselin Topalov]] in their '''[[World Chess Championship 2010|match]]''' played in [[Sofia]]. 

I think it's good to be mentioned in the ITN template on the main page.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support''' per [[WP:ITNR]] [http://sports.rediff.com/report/2010/may/11/viswanathan-anand-wins-world-chess-title-topalov.htm (Rediff)][http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8676134.stm (BBC)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 17:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::As [[WP:ITNR]] proves the significance of this report, could anybody add it in the ITN template?--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per [[WP:ITNR]]. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

*{{checkmark}} Posted. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 20:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====Escalating [[Drone attacks in Pakistan]] ====
24 killed in [[Drone attacks in Pakistan|Drone Strikes]] in [[North Waziristan]] on [[Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan|group]] linked to [[Faisal Shahzad]].[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6480DY20100511 (Reuters)][http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-11/taliban-ties-to-ny-bomb-may-spark-wider-pakistan-war-update2-.html (<span class="ltr">BW</span>)][http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/intense-drone-strikes-hammer-pakistan-taliban/19472690 (AOL News)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 15:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:Links to Faisal :? I'm quite amazed. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

====[http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/sci-tech/03-earth-may-be-too-hot-for-humans-by-2300-ss-05 Earth may be too hot for humans by 2300] /Marking it for future/====
They say it some parts of earth will be too hot for living. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 09:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' posting a "50/50 chance" prediction some 290 years in the future. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 12:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose'''. Maybe closer to the time, if we're not all dead already. ;) [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#161699;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 12:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Theoretical projections like this have no place on ITN.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Too far away and the odds aren't that good. [[User:Truthsort|Truthsort]] ([[User talk:Truthsort|talk]]) 17:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''I dunno''' Isn't a 50% chance of half the currently inhabited world becoming just plain too hot to live in as bad as a 100% chance of 1/4 the currently inhabited world becoming just plain too hot to live in? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Wait''' till it happens. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 21:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Haha. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 04:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Why not move it to future events ;) --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Requested in signpost.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

====[http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/sci-tech/14-radiation-death-exposes-indias-waste-disposal-failures-02-sa Worst radiation incident worldwide in four years]====
IAEA says it the Worst radiation incident worldwide in four years, now investigations are going on.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 09:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. This has obvious significance. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support.''' There many related articles on Wikipedia. Perhaps [[List of civilian radiation accidents]] is the most suitable? And I see it ''has'' been updated! Slightly 'old' news but! '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 20:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)'''
::''Add''. New York times had it on April 24, [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/world/asia/24india.html] & 28 [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/world/asia/28india.html]. '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 20:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)'''

:'''Oppose'''. unfortunately waste disposal laws are very poor in many countries and such problems not at all uncomon--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 20:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Comment: See [[Goiânia accident]] (Brazil, 1987) for comparison, fortunately this one (so far) is no where near as severe. --[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 20:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Also see [[Radioactive scrap metal]], closest article match. --[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 01:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Significant yes, but in my view not sufficiently significant for ITN. It is also one of those slow-building news stories (I recall reading about in the NYT a few weeks ago) for which it is difficult to isolate a discrete ITN event. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Comment:You are correct, Mkativerata. NYT 24 & 28 April, links above.("Support" №<span class="ltr">2</span>) --[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 01:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Comment''' Slow moving yes, but significant enough, British elections were also slow moving :). Never seen such highly radioactive material in hands of a common man who don't have the security clearance to handle such  material. It would have easily used to make [[dirty bomb]]. I had to go through proper channels to inspect such materials in the hospital. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 10==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 10}}
===ITN candidates for May 10===
====[[Lena Horne]] died====
*[[Grammy Award]] winning singer '''[[Lena Horne]]''' died at age 92.
:Hi. I don't know your death criteria anymore, and also don't know enough about Ms. Horne, but think maybe. Here is the [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/arts/music/10horne.html NYT]. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 03:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Obviously a significant person but not significant enough to get an ITN for their death, per [[WP:ITN/DC]]. At her age, the death was hardly unexpected. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 03:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's fine and usually my line. :-) This nomination is a bit of a catchup for [[Dorothy Height]] who died at age 98. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 04:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====100 dead in Iraq====
*Over 100 people have died in Iraq after a series of bombings and shootings. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8671823.stm (BBC)] [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' large attack in Iraq. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 22:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' once an article exists and is sufficiently expanded. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 22:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::I've created [[10 May 2010 Iraq attacks]] and will expand it in a minute once I've finished with a rather sinister vandal. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per nom--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 23:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

*Unfortunately, this can't go up unless someone is BOLD enough to close the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10 May 2010 Iraq attacks|ill-advised AfD]] early. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 03:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::AfD has been withdrawn. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  04:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

{combined from above) Sure it may be notable as such a case is rare where some nearly 400 people were dead or maimed, but its not going to go up without a page of its own[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 10:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

*{{checkmark}} Posted. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 12:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


====Gordon Brown steps down====
*'''[[Gordon Brown]]''' announces that he intends to step down as [[List of United Kingdom Labour Party leaders|Leader]] of the [[United Kingdom|UK]] [[Labour Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|Labour Party]]. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' — I had an edit conflict with Thue while proposing the same thing.  I suggest that this would replace the current UK election item, possibly with a wording like this:<blockquote>[[United Kingdom|British]] [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|Prime Minister]] '''[[Gordon Brown]]''' announces that he will resign as [[List of United Kingdom Labour Party leaders|Leader]] of the [[Labour Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|Labour Party]], following a [[United Kingdom general election, 2010|general election]] which resulted in a [[hung parliament]].</blockquote>—[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 16:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - has he actually stepped down? My reading of it (based upon what the BBC is saying) is that he ''will'' step down, not he ''has'' stepped down. It seems he will carry on as PM until the outcome of coalition negotiations are known and him stating that he is stepping aside is a move made to try and aid Labour's chances of a coalition with the Lib Dems --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 16:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::Isn't that what Thue and I both said?  "...intends to step down", "...will resign".  Do either of those suggest that he's already done it, or is doing it now? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 17:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as a stand-alone piece: we don't usually run changes in party leadership, and Brown continues as Prime Minister. Let's wait until Britain has something resembling a government before posting. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Let's wait and post the formation of a new government, not every detail of the political manoeuvering beforehand. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 17:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think a sitting prime minister announcing his intention to resign is a bit more significant than merely a detail of political manoeuvering.  I wouldn't support an item about, say, talks between the Lib Dems and the other parties, but this is a landmark moment. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 17:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't say it is a landmark moment. As leader of the Labour party he has seen a 188 seat swing to the Conservatives, a result that can only be described as a trouncing. His resignation from this position was entirely expected --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 17:30, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for the time being. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' only an announcement. When the next government is formed that should be posted on ITN. '''[[User:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span>]] [[User talk:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span>]]''' 18:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Folk are confused enough (folk in general, not necessarily just on en.wiki...) - leave it until he actually stands down. Until then it's just another political announcement (that may yet come to nothing - he could change his mind (unlikely...) or get hit by a bus before he actually resigns. That, and the accusations of UK-bias that will inevitably occur... [[User:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOWR</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:TFOWR|<span style="color:#f00">This flag once was red</span>]]</sup> 19:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as well - it's big news here, but worldwide not so much - there are going to be headline grabbing stories every day until the government get sorted, so can't post everything. [[User:SteveRwanda|SteveRwanda]] ([[User talk:SteveRwanda|talk]]) 20:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I would have thought the incumbent Prime Minister announcing his future resignation is in a whole different league to the love letters being sent around Westminster. It doesn't matter what the resolution of this is; Brown is out. --'''[[User talk:.:Alex:.|<span style="color:#66CDAA">.:</span>]][[User:.:Alex:.|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Alex</span>]][[User talk:.:Alex:.|<span style="color:#66CDAA">:.</span>]]''' 21:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' As has been noted, he's only said he will resign, not that he will right now.  Wait until a new government has been formed before we put up a new item. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 21:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' This was going to happen eventually, but the fact it happened all at once was unusual. [[User:Doc Quintana|Doc Quintana]] ([[User talk:Doc Quintana|talk]]) 01:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Deniz Baykal]] quits====
The leader of Turkey's main opposition party (CHP), Deniz Baykal has resigned following the release of an alleged "sex scandal" videotape featured on Metacafe. [[User:Kavas|Kavas]] ([[User talk:Kavas|talk]]) 13:34, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Newsworthy I'm sure, but not sufficiently significant for ITN. If we're not going to post the resignation of Gordon Brown, we shouldn't post this. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Since the British election has been posted the above no longer makes sense to me. This has coverage across the Turkish media and internationally, including [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkeys-opposition-leader-quits-over-sex-video-1970562.html ''The Independent''], [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/05/10/turkey.sex.scandal/ CNN], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-05/10/c_13286115.htm Xinhua], [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/05/2010510122433367269.html Al Jazeera], [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/11/sex-tape-turkey-bright-future ''The Guardian''], [http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9af924de-5c94-11df-bb38-00144feab49a.html ''Financial Times''], [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/11/world/europe/11briefs-Turkey.html ''The New York Times''], [http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/Turkey-Opposition-Party-Leader-Resigns-93282594.html Voice of America]. It seems like the sort of unexpected resignation which would feature on ITN. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

====OECD enlargement====
The '''[[Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development]]''' invites [[Estonia]], [[Israel]] and [[Slovenia]] to become members of the organisation. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 12:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support'''. We've put Chile on ITN when they received an invitation last time OECD invited a new country. So this is the time to post this one. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 13:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support''' as above. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:: The article is updated, posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' It is just an invitation. I don't think we had enough support yet to be posted.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

==== [[Merkel Cabinet II]] ====
:''Moved to 12 May''.

==== EU trillion dollar rescue package ====

EU has crafted a trillion dollar 'shock and awe' rescue package to raise its credibility in face of the [[2010 European sovereign debt crisis|debt crisis]] and a sliding euro.[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/business/global/10drachma.html (NYT)],[http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ap50DW8IqhBo (Bloomberg)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 02:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Question''': is this the [[European Union]] or the [[Eurozone]]? Contrary to what the American media report, the two terms aren't interchangeable. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''support'''. this will have major impact on current mess that europe is in. there hasnt been a big government bailout in a while so pretty big news -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 04:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' - To answer HJ, this is a Eurozone security net, although the Germans want an EU wide security package (which us Britons are likely to veto!). I think the issue here is that Spain, Portugal and Ireland are teetering on the brink and Germany et al would rather avoid another 'Greek tragedy' (I'm sorry I couldn't help myself) --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 06:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::There are several parts to it: €60bn in loans to any EU country (to which the UK will contribute); €440bn in loan guarantees among the Eurozone countries; €220–250bn in IMF facilities for Eurozone countries; and [[quantitative easing]] by the ECB and centtral banks in the Eurozone. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''oppose''' if the plunge in the market on thursday was not big enough this is nothing. bond yields may further increase in the coming/days and weeks, you never know.[[Special:Contributions/122.167.182.213|122.167.182.213]] ([[User talk:122.167.182.213|talk]]) 07:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::Did we post the US bailout (or stimulus) when it happened a few years back? [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 07:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Question''': do we have an update anywhere? [[2010 European sovereign debt crisis]] hadn't been updated last time I checked, and is in pretty awful shape anyway. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I have started the update at [[2010 European sovereign debt crisis#EU Rescue package]].  please jump jump right in and help expand.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. A key event in the history of the European Union. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', with better wording (which I'll leave for others to formulate). —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 16:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''': More notable than most current ITN items, IMO. --[[User:Roentgenium111|Roentgenium111]] ([[User talk:Roentgenium111|talk]]) 17:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Comment'''.  the update looks better developed now.  Suggested blurb - <code>[[European Union]] announces a [[2010 European sovereign debt crisis#EU Rescue package|rescue package]] worth almost a trillion dollars to help stabilize [[financial markets]].</code>  --[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 23:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posting'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
**Can someone give me the exact figure in Euros and US$? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
***OK, it's up, but I'm not thrilled with the blurb. Suggestions for tweaks are welcome on [[WP:ERRORS]] and/or my talk page. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[May 2010 Siberia mine explosion]]====
{{small|bumped from below since it's being ignored in favour of more recent noms [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)}}
*At least 8 people have been killed in a mine explosion in Russia. I don't know if there's an article yet. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, deadly mining accidents are not uncommon in Russia.  Nonetheless, I '''support'''.  No article appears to exist - [[2010 Raspadskaya mining accident]] would be my first choice for article title...  I might start work on it shortly. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:09, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::That might be a little over-specific so I've created [[2010 Siberia mine explosion]] and redirected it there, but feel free to delete the redirect and move it if you really want. That's the first article i created since i passed RfA- I forgot I had autoreviewer! Oooh! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The only problem being that there tend to be multiple deadly mine explosions in Serbia every year: [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=siberia+mine+explosion&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=2000&as_hdate=2009&lnav=hist10].  --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Moved to "May 2010..." (after I initially forgot what month we're in and re-moved it w/o  redirect!). From reading the sources, I think Raspadskaya is the company that owns the mine rather than the location which would be a bit odd for an article title. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Raspadskaya is definitely the company that owns it... I don't know why that would be weird though: it is an explosion that happened at a Raspadskaya mine, hence a Raspadskaya mine explosion.  In any case, "May 2010 ..." is fine.  I see you got a good start on the article, so I'll let you have at it. However, feel free to drop me a line if you want some help. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 03:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's worth bearing in mind that tragedy does not equal news or encyclopedic-ness. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 02:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sure, tragedy doesn't equate w/those things but it does usually lead to news coverage and quite often lasting impact (i.e. becoming "encyclopedia worthy") --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 03:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Just for the record,we've posted similar events with lower casualty numbers in the past. Also, it looks like there were two explosions. I've brought the article up to postable standards but now I have to go to bed- it needs de-orphaning and probably some cosmetic work if anybody's up for it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  03:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::This also seems to be the worst such incident (as far as I can tell) in Russia for a while. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  03:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*Come on guys! Any more support? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
**Anybody? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as above. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' as above.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 23:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I could support but what about the article., I think it still needs some lipid deposits. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' if there is an article as there have been lots of circumstances where mining disasters ''or'' eight dead people have been posted. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Article massively expanded and updated. Seems to be affecting victory day celebrations (which are currently on ITN). Suggest for a blurb:
<code><nowiki>{{*mp|May 8}}</nowiki> Two [[May 2010 Siberia mine explosion|'''mine explosions''']] in eastern [[Russia]] kill at least 13 people with up to 60 injured and 80 unaccounted for.</code>
:::::[[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  04:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's horrible! --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:34, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hey, I've been up all night! Any (other) admins around to post this (preferably with a better blurb)? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  04:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I meant the amount of deaths. ;) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 07:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'm surprised there hasn't been more support for it- after all, there's no news like bad news! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  07:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. BBC now reporting 30 deaths. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks, article updated with the BBCs stats. I believe that makes 30 fatalities, 71 injuries and up to 80 still missing. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  09:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 09:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

====Dallas Braden's perfect game====
*'''[[Dallas Braden]]''' of the [[Oakland Athletics]] pitches the 19th [[perfect game]] in [[Major League Baseball]] history against the [[Tampa Bay Rays]].
:Very rare achievement, even if it's the second in as many years. Averages one every five years in recent decades. --[[User:Kitch|Kitch]] <sup>([[User talk:Kitch|Talk]] : [[Special:Contributions/Kitch|Contrib]])</sup> 23:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. I was just about to nominate this myself. That's 19 times since 1876, by the way. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' per Kitch--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 23:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure. What about other rare baseball occurrances, or such occurrances in any other sport? I think only championships should be placed on ITN. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 00:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} No comment on the nomination (this is one of the few where I have no opinion either way) but the article, as it is currently, is unpostable. The update consists of "''On May 9, 2010, Braden pitched the 19th perfect game in MLB history against the Tampa Bay Rays in Oakland. He did it in just 109 pitches, 77 of which were strikes.''" with no source provided. It will also need a copyedit and some more detail on his career but certainly more than one unsourced line on this achievement. On further examination, I've also added a {{tl|BLPsources}} tag. Verifiability issues will need to be dealt with if this is to be posted. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Strong Oppose''' a few weeks ago there was a cricket item, about an achievment that (if I recall) was a lot more notable than a once-every-year-event. If I remember correctly we did not post that on itn. There should be no single-game items on itn. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 00:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:The [[perfect game]] article has a better update at the moment, although it's still probably insufficient to be used as the target article. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 00:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strong oppose''' This is similar to a [[hat-trick]] in Test cricket. About 35 or so since 1877. Not rare enough for a single game. Something that happens once evey six years in a specific match isn't notable. A soccer team winning 8-0 probably doesn't happen every six years either, are we going to post chelsea? Or a footballer kicking 4 or 5 goals in a match '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  01:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::How many test cricket matches are there in a year? There are, I believe, 2,430 baseball games among all the teams in an MLB season (81*32), which means perfect games happen something like once every 10,000 games. And it's not just the rarity ([[unassisted triple play]]s are even rarer) but the fact that it is the absolute pinnacle of achievement for a pitcher -- retiring all 27 batters faced without allowing a single base runner. In a sport that gets so misty-eyed about its history, and that is so wrapped up in statistics, no-hitters, and especially perfect games, are not just statistical quirks but highlights of the year. I guess you kind of have to be in a baseball-playing part of the world to understand. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - very rare achievement: just 19 in 140 years of professional baseball averaging 1000-2000 games a year.  The cricket item referred to above wasn't promoted in large part because no update was made, which is mandatory for ITN.  Additionally, no one was able to provide any evidence that it was actually unique and it generated very little news coverage. If no one makes an update sooner, I'll do one in a couple hours. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 00:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak oppose'''. I agree that this is unusual. But it's not a first. The last similar piece that we posted (if my memory serves me correctly) was the six trophies won by [[FC Barcelona]] in a single year in soccer [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=prev&oldid=333075791]. The [http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/FC%20Barcelona traffic] was hardly astounding, albeit for an article which is popular anyway, despite the fact that soccer is more globally popular than baseball and that this really was an unprecidented achievement (rather than just a very rare one). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::We posted a cricket story earlier this year.  And while soccer may be more globally popular, baseball is more popular amongst countries where English is primarily used.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 01:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::What do you mean primarily and why does it matter? There are significant English speaking populations in many European countries, African countries and Asian countries to varying degrees. In all bar a few (perhaps Japan, South Korea and the Philippines) football is much more popular usually by fair. Also the case in several South American and Central American countries although the situation is more complicated in some. Even India, [[Football in India|where football is hardly the most popular sport]] I'm pretty sure its popularity dwarfs that of baseball. Now in terms of number of wikipedia users, there may be more from places where baseball is popular but your comment was on 'where English is primarily used' nothing to do with wikipedia users. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 22:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support''' - there's 162 games and 30 teams, so there are 4,860 total games in a season. If perfect games occur once every five years, that means that it occurs once every '''24,300''' games. Wow. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 01:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
<small>I'm no mathematician, but because each game involves two teams, I believe the way to calculate total MLB games in a season is to divide the number of games each team plays (162) by two (making 81), then multiply that number by the number of teams (<span class="ltr">30</span>). So the chance of any one game having a perfect game thrown in it is about 1 in 12,150. However, looking at it another way, the chance of any ''pitcher'' throwing a perfect game in any one start is 1 in 24,300. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 02:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)</small>
:<small>I am a failure at math. Thanks for the correction. :) —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 02:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)</small>
**FYI, I '''Support''' [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 02:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' - Whether it is baseball, or cricket, or soccer, or whatever, I don't think we should be honoring single game achievements here. These things are somewhat newsy (in that lots of news outlets will mention it), but they aren't very encyclopedic. Nearly the totality of the story is in the blurb itself, so the update related to the event is often trivial. (I'm glad people are updating the article in general, but improving a previously weak article isn't really relevant to whether we have more to teach people more about the event itself.) [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 02:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Plasma Twa 2. also this happened pretty recently just last year so its really not as rare. and its single game event that can happen anytime. As said above its like Cricket Hat-trick which will never pass ITN. last year's perfect game got posted since we thought it wont happen again for long time... so a definite oppose here -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 02:28, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::"its single game event that can happen anytime" but it doesn't (Also, by that logic, a plane crash can happen any day, so why post that?) The rest of your statement is equally as flawed, per usual for you. [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 02:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::19 times in 140 years (or [http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/ 390,000+ chances]) is hardly "once every year".  The fact that two happened in two years, is pure coincidence.  And like DC said the fact that "it can happen every day" but doesn't is an argument for inclusion, if anything.  The argument "X could have happened any day, so really its no big deal" could apply to absolutely ''any'' news story. 
:::Most importantly, we aren't just talking about a random stat that happens to be super rare - like, say or scoring 4 goals in ice hockey - but rather a ultimate achievement in  the sport, literally the best game possible, hence the name 'perfect game'.  --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 03:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::an ultimate achievement in a sport is totally relative to that particular sport. as such every sport has their own rare events. if they are not records (or atleast a first/last) they should not be posted. simple as that. a plane crash is not the same as a single game event... unless a 100 people dying in a plane crash has same importance as a perfect game. you can not compare the two... -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 03:28, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::And I never said other sports didn't have events that would be worthy of inclusion.  I just said that comparing a perfect game to a 8-0 soccer game or scoring a specific number of goals - both of which are random stats points - isn't fair.  Secondly, applying your argument to area where it obviously doesn't make sense is a perfect way to show how the ''structure'' of argument is invalid.  Every plane ''can'' crash just like every baseball game ''can'' be a perfect game.  Just as the argument makes no sense to exclude plane crashes, it makes no sense to exclude sporting events.  There might be perfectly legitimate reasons to oppose, but that it is theoretically possible that the event will happen again tomorrow isn't one of them.  Incidental, a perfect game it is a (tied) record by definition since it is impossible to do better.  It is also a heck of a lot more meaningful than a lot of records; a wouldn't support something like a new record for most [[triple (baseball)|triples]] in one game, or year even, for example. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 03:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::i only brought up plane crash as DC compared the game to it. The reason sporting events are different is because they are not exactly of the same importance. You can not include everything in the world that can happen everyday. have to look at it case by case. and my argument is only against single-game events. why is 19th perfect game any more important than 20th or 21st. so we are going to post every perfect game? is this ITNR? if it was first i would never oppose but 19th just doesnt seem to any special of an event (as rare as it maybe). -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 03:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. The ''19th'' something in history? [[Major League Baseball]] seems to be only one league too so this isn't even the 19th time in the history of the entire sport. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
It's happened 19 times '''since 1876'''. Looking at it another way, there have been 26 (by my count) U.S. presidents during that time, so this is even rarer than a new president. Does anyone else notice that everyone supporting this is from the U.S., and all of the people most-vociferously opposed are from other countries? I don't mean to belittle the contributions of people from outside of the U.S., but I think it says something that almost all of the people who should know whether this is a big deal say it's a big deal. I wouldn't presume to judge the importance of a cricket event, and I think perhaps those not familiar with baseball ought to put some faith in those who are. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 04:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::When was the 18th one? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The 18th one was last year. Compare this to Sachin Tendulkar, who became the first man in the history of one day international cricket to score a double century. I have to ask, what kind of edit will be enough to warrant this on itn? I can't imagine any more of an edit than what is literally the proposed itn sentence. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 05:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not to get into an argument with you (I honestly have no opinion on this), but it might be because nobody outside the US gives even half a shit about baseball? I include myself in that, but I don't give half a shit about football or cricket either. I don't think the opposition of non-American editors says anything more than the support of American editors- people in areas where certain sports are popular will have strong feelings about their sport, those in other areas probably won't care. It's human. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  04:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Strong oppose''' — No place for single game achievements such as this here. '''[[User:Aaroncrick|<span style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC;color: #E49B0F">Aaroncrick</span>]]'''  <small><sup>[[User talk:Aaroncrick|<span style="font-family: Calibri;color:#FE2712">'''TALK'''</span>]]</sup></small> 06:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. As Candlewicke said above: "The ''19th'' something in history?". [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:23, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak Support''' This is at least as notable as [[Usain Bolt]] shaving a hundredth or two off his 100m record every year or so, and that gets posted every time (apparently only because it's been declared sacrosanct in [[WP:ITNSPORTS]]).  There has been a good update at [[Perfect game#Dallas Braden]], if not on the player's article. [[User:Ed Cormany|—Ed Cormany]] ([[User talk:Ed Cormany|talk]]) 16:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::everytime usain bolt shaves off a 10th of a second he creates a new world record. this one is more like saying usain bolt tied his own record for 19th time. 17:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's because baseball is greatly quantitized and sprinting is not. 27 outs vs. 1/10,000th of 10 seconds. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak support''' per Ed's reasoning. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 16:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Rare but not uncommon domestic sporting achievement. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Very weak support''': really don't know anything about baseball (frankly couldn't give less of a shit) but this seems to be a fairly good achievement. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#000000;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 12:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====A device found at Karachi airport similar to [[Shoe Bomber]]====
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/south_asia/8671483.stm Karachi shoe]. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 22:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait'''. It seems too early to decide the notability of this. Maybe he just wanted electric shoes? We need to wait for more details to emerge. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''' looks like no explosives were found on him. we should not encourage the assumption that every bearded Pakistani is out to blow something up ;-).[http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iaff3SndqRTmRx4hRnjwGXj0uzDw]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 23:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Comment''' Yeah no explosive were found that is why I also didn't mentioned any, referring to it as a "device". According to the police he might only be carrying to for somebody else. we can wait until more details emerge.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Comment''' looks like he was wearing “Good Vibrations” therapy shoes and this was a false alarm. I want one of those shoes too ;-).[http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/metropolitan/03-man-held-at-karachi-airport-with-therapy-shoes-ss-09]

====[[Kanellos]]====
Stray dog in Greek riots. Has become media and internet phenomenon.--[[User:Cerejota|Cerejota]] ([[User talk:Cerejota|talk]]) 19:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
: This is a good candidate for DYK, in my opinion. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 19:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Isn't it too short?--[[User:Cerejota|Cerejota]] ([[User talk:Cerejota|talk]]) 19:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::: At the moment, it is. But I feel if expanded properly, it fits there more. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 19:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:Article is at 1045 Bbytes of prose, so needs 455 more for DYK.  Definitely doesn't fit in here, as ITN is more major international news not curiosities. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 20:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Philippine presidential election, 2010]]====
*'''strong support''' as per policy of having electoral results put up.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 11:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Results may be known in two days, but proclamation by Congress might take a little longer. Suggest including blurbs about the [[Philippine Senate election, 2010|Senate]] and [[Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2010|House of Representatives]] elections too.
**Suggested blurb: " ___________ of _________ party wins in the '''[[Philippine presidential election, 2010|Philippine presidential election]]''' with the ____ party '''[[Philippine Senate election, 2010|winning]]''' a majority/plurality of seats in the [[Senate of the Philippines|Senate]] and ________ party '''[[Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2010|winning]]''' a majority/plurality of seats in the [[House of Representatives of the Philippines|House of Representatives]]." &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 12:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
* '''Support''' --[[User:Strategy Economic Dialogue|Strategy Economic Dialogue]] ([[User talk:Strategy Economic Dialogue|talk]]) 12:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
* '''Support''' when results are known. [[Special:Contributions/81.110.191.189|81.110.191.189]] ([[User talk:81.110.191.189|talk]]) 14:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' after results are known.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 22:45, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' after results are known AND the article is updated. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 00:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' results as per usual. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Question''' Say the winner is known (not necessarily proclaimed) after all of the current ITN items have been removed, where will this be added? The first or last item? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 08:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
**Well it would go at the top now, but if there are (roughly) 5 updates to the template between now and then, it would go at the bottom, 4 updates and it'll be second from bottom and so on- is that what you were asking? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  08:58, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
***If all of the current items had dropped out, and then we knew who won, where will this be placed? First or last? No way we can find out within today. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
****I suppose one could make a good case for posting it at the top provided there was a timely update. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  09:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*****There's no way this won't have a "good update" considering there are plenty of English sources for this event. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
******Well, assuming, for argument's sake, that it's updated the second the result is known and an admin is around, it should go on top. However, if there's another update before the article is sufficient, it will go second. Basically, if I'm on (and there's a fair chance I will be) and the article is updated quick enough, it'll go at the top barring the unforeseeable. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  09:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*******Thanks. Makes sense that the time of the update, and not when the event took place, is used in determining the order. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*Update: Winner could be known by as early as 11 May. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 18:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Noynoy Aquino]] is in the lead, should be confirmed in a few more hours (although the wikisite is updated for prez/veep. Not with the other races yet.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 10:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::According [[WP:OR|to my calculations]], the [[Liberal Party (Philippines)|Liberal Party]] might have 5 seats in the Senate making it the largest party in the Senate and [[Lakas Kampi CMD]] might fall short of winning majority of the seats in the House of Representatives. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Chanin v. Teva]]====
* [[Chanin v. Teva]] is a lawsuit in [[Las Vegas, Nevada]] where a jury ordered two medical supply companies ([[Teva Pharmaceutical Industries|Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.]] and [[Baxter International Inc.]]) to give a total of $500 million to the plaintiffs who had been infected with [[Hepatitis C]] after using the defendants' medical products. The jury granted the award, despite the fact that the defendants had not done anything wrong, and it was actually the doctors' improper reuse of dirty medical tools that had caused the plaintiffs to become infected. The $500 million punitive award may be the highest in Nevada's history. [http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-08/teva-baxter-will-fight-500-million-in-damages-over-propofol.html Source] [[User:Learn something - read a book today!|Learn something - read a book today!]] ([[User talk:Learn something - read a book today!|talk]]) 16:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
It ''may'' be the highest in Nevada's history? I like legal items, but I don't think this case is significant enough for ITN. And the article is too short at the moment. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:If it can be demonstrated that this will have any bearing on common law precedence in any international jurisdictions then maybe, but seems prima facie parochial so I think not ITN fodder. -[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK. I'll abide by the the consensus, which so far is against including it. I just thought it was interesting that they were ordered to pay half a billion dollars even though they hadn't done anything wrong. [[User:Learn something - read a book today!|Learn something - read a book today!]] ([[User talk:Learn something - read a book today!|talk]]) 17:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. This sound more like a curiosity than significant world news. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 9==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 9}}
===ITN candidates for May 9===
====[[Chelsea F.C.]] win the Premier League====
Chelsea beat [[Wigan Athletic F.C.]] 8–0 to win the [[2009-10 Premier League]] ([http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Chelsea-Win-Premier-League-Title-After-Beating-Wigan-And-Manchester-United-Beat-Stoke/Article/201005215628606?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15628606_Chelsea_Win_Premier_League_Title_After_Beating_Wigan_And_Manchester_United_Beat_Stoke Sky News]) - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 17:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' if [[2009-10 Premier League]] is sufficiently updated with prose. One of the world's top few domestic leagues. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 17:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as above, the Premier league has international significance as people follow it all over the world, not just in the UK. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Any sources to back that? '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 17:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I dunno. I'd oppose, but it'll go up anyway, so I'll post it one there's an update. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::@Grsz11, see http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/160m-viewers-202-countries-premierships-worldwide-pot-of-gold-433271.html. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::The Premier League isn't one of the top football competitions as decided by  consensus : [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Sports]]. It was decided that only the top international events will get ITN coverage, otherwise it's a major floodgate that we're opening. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
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Consensus can change. Not many sports have 160 million viewers watching a single match. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 18:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - There had been discussion on including the top three domestic leagues in Europe (the [[Premier League]], [[La Liga]] and [[Serie A]]) on ITN to try a balance the huge lobsidedness (if that's a word) of sports items. Football is the most popular sport in the world, but only has two annually occurring competitions being listed, less than rugby, golf tennis etc. Personally I'd prefer to list the winner of the [[Europa League]], the final of which takes place this thursday, because it is an international competition, but as with all things on wiki, the discussion just seemed to grind to halt with no concensus --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 18:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Actually there's six comps listed a year on average. We've been through this process at least once a year for years. The bottom line is that just about every sport can claim that they have a lot of viewers, if we set a precedent by including one example of a penultimate competition then all the other penultimate competitions in other regions want in. It never ends well, there's a huge shitfight, and eventually we end with the consensus that we always end in. That being that only the ultimate International comps for each code are to be included.
::: Make that four sorry;
*World Cups:
**[[FIFA World Cup]]
**[[FIFA Women's World Cup]]

*The following confederation championships:
**[[UEFA European Football Championship]]
**[[Copa America]]
**[[African Cup of Nations]]
**[[AFC Asian Cup]]

*The following continental club championships:
**[[UEFA Champions League]]
**[[Copa Libertadores]]

Expected stories per year: about 4, except for the year after the Olympics with 2  --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 18:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That is why I think listing the Europa League is the best compromise. It is a major international competition with teams eligible to enter from over 40 countries in football's heartland (Europe) --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 18:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

'''Support'''. Sod the precedent, ITN already operates on a day to day crowdsourcing system, and nobody really pays any attention to /R when it comes down to it. I had put Man Utd winning into Future Events as it was going to be a record number of titles for English football, but it turns out Chelsea broke some records too:
*A [[Football records in England#FA Premier League – Since 1992–93 season|Premier League record number of goals]] to win this title
*A Chelsea [[List of Chelsea F.C. records and statistics#Goals|club record number of goals]] to win this title
*A Chelsea [[List of Chelsea F.C. records and statistics#Wins|club record highest win]] of 8-0 today, the final day, to seal the deal
It shouldn't even be in question as to whether the Premier League is of international significance, or that this is world news. Compared to a non-title boxing match, which was apparently significant because it was a couple of top-3 boxers and got shown on TV in Indonesia, then the Premier League is Mike Tyson vs. Muhammad Ali. The Premier League, La Liga, and Seria A, are the shit. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Two wrongs don't make a right. See? You're pointing at a precedent and saying "sod the precedent". Put it in if you wish, but expect a shitstorm here and on talk pages. (the reason for the consensus by the way, is if this sort of thing is left ITN becomes a sports ticker.) --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 18:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Where have you been lately if you don't think ITN is a ticker? It's a sports ticker, a space ticker, an election ticker, and a >10 dead ticker. And yes, even a Somali pirate rescue ticker now (to replace the Space Shuttle). I've no problem with unleashing hell by saying the perfectly obvious - the English, Spanish and Italian domestic football leagues are the biggest in the world, by any measure you care to use. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's about balance. The restrictions are placed on several high volume recurring subjects in order that there be a balance of subjects in ITN. It's hard to achieve, because news seems to occur in batches, but that's no reason why we shouldn't try to maintain a balance. Like I said this discussion has been had with -insert your pet subject here- many times. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 18:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::::You are right, there isn't any balance. The disfunctional dynamic of /C, combined with the pure POV that flies about for every popular nomination, and the silence for everything else, means ITN is 95% crud, 5% good items, when stretched over a year, but nobody wants to touch the whole 'should ITN even exist' issue with a bargepole around here. So we are where we are - debating each item as it comes up. And if the only opposition to this one you can come up with is fear of the future, I say it's irrelevant dogma. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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Suggested blurb, if consensus breaks out:

* <div style="float:right;margin-left:0.5em;"> [[:File:Premiership trophy.jpg|100x100px|The Premier League Trophy]]<!--Non free file removed by DASHBot--></div>'''[[Chelsea F.C.|Chelsea]]''' are crowned '''[[2009–10 Premier League|2009–10]] [[Premier League]] [[List of English football champions|Champions]]''' having scored a [[Football records in England#FA Premier League – Since 1992–93 season|league]] and [[List of Chelsea F.C. records and statistics#Goals|club]] record number of 103 goals in 38 games, as well as finishing the season with a club record 8-0 [[List of Chelsea F.C. records and statistics#Wins|highest league win]].

[[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I suppose we can add "In [[Football in England|English association football]]," to the beginning, for internationalisation (a.k.a American education), but seriously, such is the fame of this League in the whole world, it really isn't necessary. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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:Less "fear of the future" more "learning from the past". ;) -- [[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 18:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::The past is irrelevant to ITN, it breaks more precedents than it ever sets. Stick around if you doubt me. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I know what you're getting at, I've been watching ITN/C since before there was an ITN/C. But your argument is basically, let's give up and go with the anarchy and constant complaints of bias (nothing will settle those I suspect). In the past (2007) I've been involved with large discussions to try to get ITN "fixed" by changing the dynamic. But discussion stalled between "it ain't broke" and "let's change it radically." (It's my bedtime, I expect to see the League item posted in ITN tomorrow :D , night!) --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 18:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:''' Oppose''' domestic leagues dont belong here.  we had a detailed discussion when [[Indian Premier League]] was going on.  besides never heard of them.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 20:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::That isn't a very reasonable argument as it is of interest to lots of people, would it be fair if I used it against posting the next Superbowl? The Premier League is a considerably more serious contest than the Indian Premier League as for starters its broadcast in 202 countries and individual matches are watched by 160 million people ([http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/160m-viewers-202-countries-premierships-worldwide-pot-of-gold-433271.html source]). -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::: well the [[Indian Premier League]] was shown live on [[YouTube]] across the world, a first for any sport. the commercial success of IPL would be evident if you read the lede of the article. 'Premier League is a considerably more serious contest than the Indian Premier League' seems like serious OR to me and very POV.  we should stick to consistent criteria across sports.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 23:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*Anyone that says ITN is a sport ticker is either biased against sports or not paying attention.  Compared to real world news coverage, sports are one of the most under represented segments on ITN.  Additionally, "IPL didn't get in" is now being used to oppose every sport, which, IMO, is just idiotic.  Can we please just evaluate each item by its own merits instead of trying to enforce artificial "balance"? --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 20:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:: It would be fallacious to say that people are opposing every sport or every event.  agree we need more sports coverage in ITN.  The winner of [[ICC World Twenty20]] should show up soon on ITN since it is on [[WP:ITNR]]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 23:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} If consensus emerges for this to go up, we still need a prose update. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Far more countries have world-class footballers. In IPL there are only 8 proper countries and one of them was banned, and restrictions were placed on the other foreigners. Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have good success in EPL and in the Champions League because they have the best players, not substandard quota players. English clubs generally do well in the Champions League, IPL teams get smashed and so does the Indian Team at the [[2010 ICC World Twenty20]]; the standard of the IPL is not good '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  01:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*Would there be anything wrong with posting both the Indian and English Premier Leagues? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*:I supported IPL (and still do), but its inclusion or exclusion really should have no bearing on the inclusion/exclusion of an unrelated league in an unrelated sport. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 04:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support and list on [[WP:ITNR]]'''. More than enough international interest. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 02:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Guess what?''' We still don't have a substantial prose update at [[2009–10 Premier League]] and until we do, I'm not going to waste my time evaluating whether there's a consensus for posting. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  06:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - admit that I am a UK Wikipedian and I know that this could be seen as UK-centric. However, I've also lived in various countries in Africa and this is massive over there too. And in Asia, if I understand correctly. [[User:SteveRwanda|SteveRwanda]] ([[User talk:SteveRwanda|talk]]) 09:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:There is a bit more of an update now, but it may well still not be enough. Football isn't my strong point :o. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} the article is "up to date", but I'd like to see more prose in the update. A paragraph or two on the final etc. would be nice- the entire article is full of fancy tables and bulleted lists, but very little prose. Perhaps a section called "final" could be created and I can pipe a link straight to it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I've added some more updates to the lead of the article (there doesn't seem to be an appropriate section for them anywhere else). --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
**I'd like to see a bit more in the body of the article. The stuff in the lead is good, but perhaps a new section under a heading of "Final" would be a good place to stick a paragraph of prose (even if it's copied and pasted from the lead). [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

*:Very sparse. Is there any reason why the suggested blurb could not be used, giving rather more info than 'they won it'? Or the rather excellent thumbnail of the trophy? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 23:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::*MP balance, NPOV, delay in update meaning it's further down the template, better pictures of more recent items and most of all because you didn't say please. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::By convention, sports blurbs are usually results only - no score or other details. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 00:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I often wonder if ITN people even realise that most normal readers have no clue that new items can get inserted mid-template, and most likely don't even look at the template between image changes. Frankly, for a short blurb inserted mid-template with no image change, I would be amazed if it got any attention at all, especially as we are well overdue a Shuttle loo roll mission to knock it off its perilous position near the bottom already. I'll look up the viewing figures tomorrow, I want to know if Mitchell is providing value for money here to the Chelsea **** boys. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 00:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::The ****boys should have updated the article earlier; then it would be in a more prominent position. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::For the article I've written with minimal built-in interest (i.e. those for which its views come mostly from the MP link), I've found the hits to be pretty consistent from day-to-day while its on the MP.  In other words, position w/i the template had little effect on hits. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 00:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::'''Good post.'''  We can't post every single domestic league obviously but the EPL is clearly one of the most prestigious sporting competitions in the world and especially among readers of the .en wiki.  Far more important than the [[Europa League]], for example (just imagine which trophy players would rather win).  We might consider adding the [[La Liga]] and [[Serie A]] champions when they're known to the blurb but I support it as is.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 09:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[May 2010 Sumatra earthquake]]====
7.4 magnitude. [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 07:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - it doesn't appear to have done any significant damage, so there isn't really anything to write about, let alone post on ITN. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 17:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade]]====
*It's on today. The biggest parade of its kind to be held since the end of the USSR; the first to include personnel from the [[United States]], [[Poland]], [[United Kingdom]], [[France]] and other countries; a wide variety of Heads of State/Government to attend, including [[Hu Jintao]]. Will feature 10,000 troops, 127 aircraft, and the [[Topol-M]]. --<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;">[[User:benlisquare|<span style="color:#FFFF00; background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span> | <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 03:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' largest of its kind since the Soviet Union, thousands of troops and dozens of heads of state. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 06:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Norwegian news even previewed the trial run several days ago, so it seems like something to take notice of on a somewhat grand scale. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 10:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''weak support''' if there arent other more worthy stories in the 24 hours period then this seems big enough to be there. Particularly significant this year with the foreign marches (including NATO)[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 10:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Note:''' Already on the Main page via a DYK posting.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know&curid=482254&diff=361046874&oldid=360995329] --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]</sup> 11:03, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Reply:''' The nomination predates the DYK. But it doesn't really matter anymore now. --<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;">[[User:benlisquare|<span style="color:#FFFF00; background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span> | <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 11:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' posting once the DYK cycles off. No point having the same item in two different sections. This is an obvious candidate, and even though DYK disallows nominations that have already been on ITN, I can find no evidence of a reciprocal ban. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:03, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Suggested blurb:
*<div style="float:right;margin-left:0.5em;"> [[File:Moscow Victory Day 65th anniversary logo.png|100x100px|2010 Victory Day emblem]]</div>The armed forces of [[United Kingdom|Britain]], [[France]], [[Poland]] and the [[United States]] take part in the '''[[2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade|Moscow Victory Day Parade]]''' for the very first time.
:[[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per Topol--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think ITN never encouraged articles which had recently focused on DYK. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 15:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::There's no formal rule on the ITN side- I know DYK disallows anything that was on ITN (I think in the last year) but we have no such rule. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*This has now cycled off of DYK, so unless anyone objects, I'm going to post it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*Yippee. Now i've got to write more on it, and include more photos, and stuff......that's the arrgghhh part. :) --[[User:Russavia|Russavia]] <sup>[[User talk:Russavia|I'm chanting as we speak]]</sup> 17:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

*Was there any rational reason for changing Britain to United Kingdom before posting? I know some of the Irish go apoplectic if you ever mention the phrase British Isles, but even they haven't got to the point of disputing that Britain is simply the short-form name of the United Kingdom (and it is the British Army that is taking part in the parade). [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support and set precedent'''. More than enough international interest. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 02:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Good post.''' Agree with Howard teh Duck.  We can't post every single domestic league obviously but the EPL is clearly one of the most prestigious sporting competitions in the world and especially among readers of the .en wiki.  Far more important than the [[Europa League]], for example (just imagine which trophy players would rather win).  We might consider adding the [[La Liga]] and [[Serie A]] champions when they're known to the blurb but I support it as is.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 09:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

'''Switch illustration''' I think the logo is an inappropriate image to illustrate this event. Who cares about the logo? It's not like this is an international organization we're gonna see again and again. A picture of the actual parade is the only appropriate illustration. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 16:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 8==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 8}}
===ITN candidates for May 8===
====[[Harrods]]====
*London department store [[Harrods]] has been sold for £1.5 billion. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10103783.stm (BBC)] [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I was thinking about nominating this myself. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 16:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'm going to '''support''' this after leaving it for a while. There has been no rush to oppose, it has been reported around the world by Aljazeera and CNN among others, the chairman is retiring after 25 years, is a reasonably well-known public figure, the buyer is notable, the price may be notable and it seems unlikely the sale of a department store would attract that much attention every day. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' per Candlewicke. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 21:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' per Candlewicke.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 22:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:I feel the update could be a bit more substantial. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 22:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Let me have a look at it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've expanded it- there's now a decent paragraph on the sale. I'll keep working on it, but it should be postable. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 23:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Staten Island Ferry]]====
*New York's [[Staten Island Ferry]] crashes, injuring at least 60 people. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8669999.stm (BBC)] [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:This is why I won't sit in the front third of the ship while it's docking. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 18:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::At least everybody survived. [http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/many-feared-dead-in-congo-boat-accident-3530591 This] is much worse. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh yes, very true. 11 did die though in 2003. Could it be a DYK for crashing 3 times in 7 years? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 23:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support''' - it's not every day that a ferry has a serious incident, much less one that injures 60 people. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 00:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' - it certainly has attracted news coverage, but I personally don't think it has any real international interest. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Air travel disruption after the 2010 Eyjafjallajökull eruption]]====
*Spain has closed 19 airports, including Barcelona die to the ash and it's causing serious disruption to trans-Atlantic flight. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8669610.stm (BBC)] [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Deepwater Horizon oil spill]]====
*This is still attracting a lot of media attention. As I understand it, a 98 tonne steel box is being lowered to the sea floor to try to capture around 85% of the oil currently leaking. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8669535.stm (BBC)] [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' if you mean to post "A 98 tonne steel box is being lowered to the sea floor to try to capture around 85% of the oil currently leaking from the '''[[Deepwater Horizon oil spill]]'''". It just seems like another ordinary development. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 18:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yea, happens everyday.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 18:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
: I support posting the event when they fix the problem with leaking completely, not just partially. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 19:42, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Agree with Tone.  Fixing the problem is a major story; attempting to is not. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
*TV News ([[TCN9]]) in Sydney reported (16:00 local) the attempt to contain the oil has ''failed!'' '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 06:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)'''
*What about failing at fixing it? ;-) [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/us/09rig.html NYT] —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 06:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Nothing like a ''magnificent'' failure, so long as they don't make it worse! '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)'''
:UPDATE:[[TEN10]] say the chamber is clogged with 'ice-like' crystals, so oil can't be pumped out. '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 07:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)'''

==May 7==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 7}}
===ITN candidates for May 7===
====non-Latin web addresses====
What about [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10100108.stm this]? I'm surprised it hasn't been nominated before now. An update can be made at [[Internationalized_domain_name#Top-level domain implementation|Internationalized domain name]] --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I added that to the portal yesterday but didn't have time to nominate it. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10100108.stm Quote]: Icann's senior director for internationalised domain names, Tina Dam, - "this has been 'the most significant day' since the launch of the internet". Icann president Rod Beckstrom described the change as "historic". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - Maybe not really the "the most significant day" in the history of the internet, but still very important.  A new stand alone article (created with content from main article, not by me) - [[Internationalized country code TLD]] - exists on the subject and has been updated by me. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Definitely. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
*Any more for any more? Another support and a blurb would be nice. roll up, roll up, roll up! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:53, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Okidoki, or should I say حديث طيب? —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 01:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'll '''Support''', but you'll have to come up with the blurb by yourself, I'm off to bed. :) - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 01:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
*How dare you make me have to do more work! Updating the template just isn't good enough for you guys is it! :P Ah well, '''Posting''' once I've strung a blurb together. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
**<code>[[ICANN]] introduces the first [[internationalized country code]]s, enabling domain names written completely in non-[[Latin alphabet|Latin script]] for the first time.</code>--[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 01:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
***I like that better than my attempt, so I'll go with that! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
****<code>[[ICANN]] introduces the first [[internationalized country code]]s, allowing domain names to be written completely in non-[[Latin alphabet|Latin script]]s for the first time.</code>--[[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 06:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
*****If I'm honest, I prefer it as it's currently written, but I'm not entirely happy with it- I think it understates its significance- so I welcome further suggestions. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:37, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

====Homo sapiens' neanderthalian heritage====
Members of the [[Neanderthal genome project]] under senior authorship of [[Svante Pääbo]] publish a study in [[Science (journal)|''Science'']], describing that the genomes of living humans show evidence of interbreeding with [[Homo neanderthalensis]]. [http://www.sciencemag.org/special/neandertal/ Special feature at Science magazine] [http://www.eva.mpg.de/neandertal/press/presskit-neandertal/pdf/PR_MPI_Neandertal_EN.pdf Pressrelease from Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Leipzig]. [[Special:Contributions/80.216.29.79|80.216.29.79]] ([[User talk:80.216.29.79|talk]]) 16:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' ITN usually takes great interest in new discoveries related to the ancestry of humanity. This seems to be one of those significant discoveries that we've had a few of in the last couple of years. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 18:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' interbreeding. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 18:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for the support. Please let someone rewrite my extremely clumsy English before publishing this. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/80.216.29.79|80.216.29.79]] ([[User talk:80.216.29.79|talk]]) 18:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:Slight problem, there's been no update to the article regarding this. [[Neanderthal genome project]] [[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 19:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}}Lol. This is Wikipedia, not [[Norfolk]] ;)! There's a precedent for posting this kind of thing but we need an update first. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  19:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[Neanderthal genome project]] is up to date. Correcting the news line. [[Special:Contributions/80.216.29.79|80.216.29.79]] ([[User talk:80.216.29.79|talk]]) 20:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Support'''.  was thinking of nominating this myself.  Sex always sells ;-)--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Wot, sex? Prehistoric hairy caveman sex! [[Special:Contributions/80.216.29.79|80.216.29.79]] ([[User talk:80.216.29.79|talk]]) 20:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
*Someone want to make my job easier and give me a blurb? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
**Wow! I can't put that article on the MP- it's still tagged with {{tl|Refimprove}}, {{tl|cleanup}}, {{tlx|Expert-subject|Genetics|article}}  ''and'' {{tl|update}}. I don't know how valid they are, but the article clearly needs more work before I can post it unless there's a better article that can be updated. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' if the article can be cleaned up a little and include more information on the new report. It's obviously encyclopaedic and newsworthy (a good double for ITN) so it would be sad to miss out on this. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* '''Comment''': how about this for now.  once [[Neanderthal genome project]] article is improved we could tweak the blurb. 
<code>[[Svante Pääbo]] of [[Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology]] announces genetic evidence of interbreeding between [[Neanderthal]]s and [[Homo sapiens]].</code>--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 21:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
**Okaaaay, but what'm I bolding? There needs to be an update ''somewhere''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
*** both [[Svante Pääbo]] and [[Neanderthal]] articles have been updated.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 21:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
****Pääbo works for me, we even have a free image (I'm already sick of seeing Cameron's smug face up there!), but the rest of the article isn't up to scratch so I'm going with [[Neanderthal#Interbreeding hypotheses]]. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Has this been fully verified? From what I can tell, only three Neanderthal bone samples were compared to 5 human samples from today, and other scientists [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/science/07neanderthal.html question] some of the results. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:35, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:Notwithstanding update needs: There is only a 3 sentence update to [[Svante Pääbo]] and what appears to be 2 sentences related to this discovery to [[Neanderthal#Interbreeding hypotheses]]. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:38, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the item for now because of lack of a substantial update regarding the 2010 study. The article is at [[Neanderthal admixture]]- there's a single sentence in the intro, and 2 sentences in a body paragraph about the 2010 findings. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 14:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Krishna Godavari basin dispute]]====
[[Supreme Court of India]] has given a historic verdict in the most watched after corporate battle in recent times of India. The verdict did go against [[Reliance Natural Resources Limited]] ([[Anil Ambani]]'s company) but also stated that gas was a national property and not of [[Reliance Industries Limited]] ([[Mukesh Ambani]]'s company). On the front page of all major news websites including [http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/in_depth/8667057.stm BBC]. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 09:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral'''  What our Indian friends say on this ? I think once this comment then I will form any opinion. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 14:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

====First ever Green MP. First green politician in a first past the post system?====
*In the [[United Kingdom general election, 2010|2010 general election]], '''[[Caroline Lucas]]''' becomes the first ever [[Green Party of England and Wales|Green Party]] politician to be elected to the House of Commons, having won the [[Brighton Pavilion (UK Parliament constituency)|Brighton Pavilion constituency]] with a majority of 1,252 [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/a69.stm BBC] [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gggXfFBM7N-GhtMo8fiXL-0on3eQ PA] [http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE64613F20100507 Reuters]. The BBC also mentioned on their television coverage this is the first ever Green politician ''in the world'' to win a seat in a first past the post electoral system, which obviously disfavours such minor parties like greens. I cannot however after a cursory search find an online source for this. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 05:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Support''', a notable first, the election is going to get on the main page anyway, but this is a better story that the fighting that is going to break out to form a government. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 06:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I'm in two minds about this. A first Green MP in the UK Parliament is significant. However, putting it up on ITN alongside the result of the election itself (as it would inevitably be) seems unbalanced. Ultimately I think this has a lot of local significance, but not much beyond the UK's borders, unlike the result of the election itself.--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 06:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' - on the basis that the overall result will be posted, which is enough, and this is just not notable outside the UK. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 06:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I don't this is so important, good for Green wikia but not at wikipedia's ITN.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Weak Oppose''' - kind of agree with the above sentiment. If it were an isolated byelection, it might warrant inclusion, but putting it alongside the national election results would be overdose. [[User:SteveRwanda|SteveRwanda]] ([[User talk:SteveRwanda|talk]]) 08:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. I don't see how this is notable enough for ITN. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 18:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

::Because it hardly, if ever, happens in the electoral systems used in half the world, that's why. We have a routine Somali pirate rescue on the front page right now, I fail to see how that is "notable enough for ITN", and in that case, nobody even bothered to offer any evidence or explanation why. At least for this nomination I gave particular reasons for people to feel free to ignore. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 13:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, the little baby didn't get his story on ITN (again).  He needs to attack everyone else for not agreeing with him.  Poor MickMac.  Poor, poor Mickmac.  What half assed proposal are you gonna come up with this time, replacing the whole main page with a search box?  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 13:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Let's start with something simple. How about discussions here must not resemble POV pull it out your hat random I like it/don't like it bollocks? How about discussions actually consider the nomination properly, or at a minimum, demand that nominations and votes must actually demonstrate how it meets or doesn't meet the criteria for posting, so at least we can assume good faith when discussions resemble simple votes held in the afformentioned manner. It's interesting you are the person dishing out the juvenile comments here, you are the worst offender in this regard. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 14:08, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Aww thanks, I must be doing something right then.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 14:15, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 6==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 6}}
===ITN candidates for May 6===

====DOW JONES down almost 1000 points====
umm... damn? '''<del>strong support</del>'''. although its starting to come back up this sudden crash is a major news -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 19:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''comment''' I think your data may be a bit out of date. According to the BBC there was a very sharp drop (almost 9%) earlier, but it slowly recovered to about a 3.5% net drop, in line with the NASDAQ --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::ya it came back up but none the less biggest stock drop in more than a year... biggest ever within half an hour span. should be main news now for the day besides uk election. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 19:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*Would have supported 1000pt/9% drop, but looks like it'll actually be in the range of 350pt/3% which isn't super uncommon. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 19:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment'''- CNBC is reporting that today's 900+ point decline is the largest intraday decline in the DJIA's history. Of course, the index has now gained back a lot of lost ground. The event is already roiling the international media but I don't feel knowledgeable enough on Main Page policies to say whether or not it deserves mention. It should also be noted that there is a strong connection to the events currently going on in Greece. -[[User:MidnightDesert|MidnightDesert]] ([[User talk:MidnightDesert|talk]]) 19:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::If it had stayed there, I'd support, but since it bounced back to retake most of the loss, my portfolio is happy, but I'm going to have to say '''opposed''' to posting this on the MP. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 19:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' If the crash hadn't recovered most of its losses on the same day, it would definitely be ITN worthy. But the recovery has taken the guts out of this as a significant news event. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''.  Is there a significantly updated article?  I could support mentioning the extremely unusual intraday movement, but the question is moot unless there is an article discussing it.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 20:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''support''' Ive added some sources to this. The significance if the largest intraday decline ever, possible technical problems and repercussions on circuit rules, etc. This is absolutely an extraordinary event[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 21:21, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Hold off for now'''. The drop appears to have been some kind of glitch that was quickly corrected. If the story is prominant in the morning papers tomorrow, I'm OK with it, but I don't think it's that noteworthy otherwise. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 21:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' based on ''[http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/05/06/four-mega-drops-of-the-flash-crash-sam-adams-goes-flat/ The Wall Street Journal]''s list of six very strange stocks. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 00:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::actually i'm going to change to '''wait''' since now the details are starting to come out about what happened. i think this is still a major news but it seems to have been caused by an erroneous trade (some hedge fund liquidation or something). i think it will make more sense to post when we know exactly who and what caused it -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 01:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Is there any content about this on Wikipedia? Like [[2010 stock market blip]] or something? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I doubt it's notable enough for its own article, but probably worth a mention in an existing article. don't ask me where, though! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Certainly NOT in the main DJIA article, so probably no where at all.  Most likely it will just be forgotten completely in a week, but on the off chance it becomes notable - like if people refer back to the glitch months/years from now - an article can always be created later.   While, I've never heard of a stock "trading" at zero b/c of a glitch, I certainly have heard of stocks "trading" a ridiculous amounts b/c of errors.  The errant trades, and any other that was automatically triggered by the errant price being reported, will simply be canceled by the stock exchange.  In the US, Legally ownership doesn't actually change hand for three days, in large part to allow time for error corrections. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::ThaddeusB, thanks! Your comment has more information than [[Campbell Brown]]'s whole show did on CNN. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 03:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's all over the news really, Asia-Pac. got hammered today. notable as per the widespread news coverage (despite the UK elections it is breaking news on CNN Int'l well into the morning.([[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 11:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

::My '''support''', as well. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 01:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. I thought maybe this story would pass somewhat quietly, however, it's still the first story featured on Google News (US content) and its also featured on the Norwegian content page. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 07:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose'''. It's interesting news, but it seems basically to have been a mistake without long term consequences. Maybe one for the [[IgNobel Prize]] in Economics but not for the Main Page. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 08:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::if its merely a fluke, then why is it topping the headlines two days after the fact? __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 08:35, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::"Topping the headlines" is a bit of an exageration! It's not even the top business story on this side of the Pond. And what do we say about it? "The Dow Jones dropped 9000 points in a matter of minutes, then quickly recovered to its previous level: nobody is quite sure why, but the SEC is investigating and will make recommendations when it has some idea what the $*%&* happened." That's hardly the sort of encyclopedic information we try to promote on ITN. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Apparently you're in Spain, so me being in Norway certainly am on the same side of the Pond as you. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 11:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

====Nigel Farage injured in plane crash====
[[UKIP]] [[Member of the European Parliament|MEP]] [[Nigel Farage]] is hospitalized after a light aircraft that he was a passenger in '''[[2010 UKIP PZL-104 Wilga crash|crashed]]''' in Northamptonshire. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 18:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' not really significant.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 18:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' Very minor accident, would scarcely have made local news if not for political profile of passenger, and he is already out of hospital, v unlikely to win seat, so not politically relevant in this context.  Only long term consequence is loss of no-claims-bonus for whoever owns the plane, and a few people reconsidering the use of trailing messages from light aircraft.  [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 18:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Have to agree. '''Oppose'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose'''; and I'm ntoe ven sure this meets [[WP:AIRCRASH]]. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::It meets [[WP:AIRCRASH]] via section P1 (Wikinotable person significantly involved). [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::"A standalone article will normally only be appropriate if more than just the notable person or group is significantly involved. "  I don't see how that part of the criteria is met. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 19:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 UKIP PZL-104 Wilga crash|nominated for deletion]]. It's really concerning that these articles are finding their way here, before they even get linked from relevant articles, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nigel_Farage&oldid=360548830 politician's page] in question, or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010&oldid=360533126 election page]. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====''[[MV Moscow University]]'' freed from pirates====
In a dramatic rescue operation, [[Military of Russia|Russian forces]] freed the crew of the Russian oil tanker '''{{MV|Moscow University}}''' seized by [[Piracy in Somalia|Somali pirates]] off the coast of [[Yemen]].--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 13:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Apparently quite a dramatic pursuit and I don't think WP pays enough attention to the piracy problems in Somalia. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' As per HJ. Too bad [[Talk like a pirate day]] is 4 months away! Arrh! '''--[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] ([[User talk:220.101.28.25|talk]]) 16:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)'''
:::'''Support''' as per HJ--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 17:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' as creator! <g> [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 18:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*OK, I know I opined and 2 of the subsequent supporters followed my rationale, but I think it's safe to post this one. Any free images available? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:21, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:None that I could find, otherwise there would have been one in the article. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 18:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::Shame. We could do with a change of image. I'll go with Goodluck then... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' On the simple grounds that nobody above has given the slightest shred of evidence above that this was an internationally significant event. Plenty of rescues have been effected already, what actually made this one significant? (Shouldn't this sort of thing be covered in the admin instructions btw? As well as preferably making it a bright line offence to post items you comment on, of course). [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:09, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:My comment was strictly "tongue in cheek" and any interest I had in the article's promotion was clearly declared. I fail to see how any offence has been committed here, there was already significant support before my comment. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I was talking about Mitchell. ITN is the only place on the pedia where you both comment on and call the consensus of discussions. One of its many unique traits. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I see your point, MMN. As the talk page redirects here, I'll raise the issue at [[WP:AN]]. Feel free to comment there. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 21:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Mick, including myself and the nominator, there were 5 supports in the 5 and a half hours between the nom and the posting and now three more editors have supported and you're the only one in opposition- that's pretty clear consensus to me. I opined simply to kick the discussion off and I happened to be the only admin around several hours later, but if you can find anything that says there isn't consensus to post this, I'll take it down (or am I not allowed to do that because I opined). [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:21, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::No need to take down the article, plenty of support for it being on ITN from uninvolved editors. Issue raised at [[WP:AN]] as promised. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 21:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::Belated '''support''' - I'm sorry Mick, but there is nothing wrong with an admin commenting on an item and then subsequently posting it when there is clear consensus. If you want to know why this was internationally significant, maybe it has something to do with a ''Russian'' ship being hijacked off the coast of ''Africa'', while on its way to ''China''. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Sigh. Right. So, what's ''new'' here then? The rescue? The pirates? What? Because these type of incidents have been going on for a while now. And I am assuming people are up to speed enough to realise ships from all over the world have been travelling to China for about a decade now, so it can't be that. If we are going to post every Somali pirate rescue incident now, then we might aswell resume posting every fatal bombing in Iraq. This is news, but it isn't ITN. Either that, or they can be deemed ITN/R, and they can then act as the replacement item for the Space Shuttle ticker, as the jazzy interlude between the weekly natural disasters and elections postings. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Further belated '''support'''.  Daviessimo makes the case well. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' as above. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I'd like to have more content about the event in the article, it is quite short at the moment. Otherwise, tentative support. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

====Ajmal Kasab death sentence====
[[Ajmal Kasab]] has been sentenced.  can we update the blurb[http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/kasab-gets-death-sentence-for-2611-mumbai-attacks-23663.php (NDTV)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 12:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:Already done. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::I don't have a problem with it dropping of soon, per say, but shouldn't what the blurb references really be in chronological order (near the top), just like everything else? --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 15:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know. I'm not averse to bumping it up, but I'd rather hear thoughts from some more editors here first. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: He is back in the headlines with the death sentence.  would support ThaddeusB's suggestion to move it up--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 17:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*{{tick}} bumped. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Shanghai Metro]] the longest in the world====
i would like to nominate because it doesn't happen oftensee http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63Q0FD20100427  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.65.20.55|76.65.20.55]] ([[User talk:76.65.20.55|talk]]) 04:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:A railway ''becoming'' the longest metro in the world might be newsworthy.  But I'm not seeing when the Shanghai metro became the longest metro in the world. [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/world/asia/30shanghai.html This source] and [http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2010-04/12/content_9717734.htm this source] suggest the new tracks were opened some three weeks ago, so it hardly seems "in the news". --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 05:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:no it is very recent as they are opening a few station like every week or so because of the huge expo. look at industry publication railway gazette http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/10/shanghai-now-the-worlds-longest-metro.html whichis dated may 4. sh overtook london underground and this is extremely rare i dunno when the next time this will ever happen. possibly Beijing but who knows shanghai keeps expanding and expanding  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.65.20.55|76.65.20.55]] ([[User talk:76.65.20.55|talk]]) 05:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::'''Support''' This is an important occurrence but it has been overshadowed by the Expo, so it hasn't really been reported in the media. The article for Shanghai Metro does detail the expansion during winter/spring 2010 that resulted in the system becoming the longest in the world.  It probably became the longest in early April 2010, a month ago, so maybe it's a little too late for ITN? [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 06:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>'''Weak Oppose'''</s> <s>'''Neutral'''</s> as this kinda sorta happened at the beginning of April: http://www.exploremetro.com/blog/10-facts-about-shanghai-metro-line-10-and-a-map except it hasn't really been reported that much as the Chinese media have been saying that London's is longer - see: http://www.shmetro.com/node49/201004/con103569.htm (in Chinese only). I think its far more notable when Shanghai's metro becomes the longest for any city, which probably will happen later this year, and certainly by 2012. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 06:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:well Railway Gazette issued a release confirms Shanghai as longest in the world MAY 4. That is recent and im sure they looked into. when is another time when you will have Shanghai or any other city as the longest In the world. many not for many dcades maybe not in my lifetime.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.65.20.55|76.65.20.55]] ([[User talk:76.65.20.55|talk]]) 15:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::'''Support''', but maybe later.--[[User:European community|European community]] ([[User talk:European community|talk]]) 06:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

: What would the blurb be? "Shanghai's metro becomes the longest in the world"? Is it growing? [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#999916;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 15:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

how bout: "[[Shanghai Metro]] becomes the longest [[metro system]] in the world" or "[[Shanghai Metro]] overtakes the [[London Underground]] as the longest [[metro system]] in the world. (maybe this is too much detail)"

and yes it is still growing explosively along with others in china but im not sure how that affects it Sign your posts on talk pages: [[Special:Contributions/76.65.20.55|76.65.20.55]] ([[User talk:76.65.20.55|talk]]) 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think its planned to reach 800km or so by 2020, its currently around 420km long and the first line only opened in 1995. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''comment''' - surely we'd now be best waiting until the new line extension officially opens before we post this. We've already missed the best opportunity to post this back in April (when construction completed) and this is only back in the news now, because they have started testing the extension --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 18:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry if it wasn't clear, the stuff that was reported back in April <s>is all open now</s> was all open in April - its just that there are further extensions due for completion maybe this year, and there are a lot more lines due for opening in 2012. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 19:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If that is the case, then I '''support''' --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 20:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::{{adminnote}}Eraserhead, can I ask if you're still opposed to this? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
{{outdent}}
<s>I'm happy to go neutral, if there's enough support for this ignoring me post it. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)</s>
:I'll '''Support''' it is worthy of posting sometime, so it may as well be now. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:TY Eraserhead, and I definitely if not now then likely never and i also see that youve helped to improve the article itself. [[Special:Contributions/76.65.20.55|76.65.20.55]] ([[User talk:76.65.20.55|talk]]) 21:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::For a blurb what about "The [[Shanghai Metro]] overtakes the [[London Underground]] to become the [[List of Metro systems|longest]] [[Rapid transit|metro]] in the world" -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 21:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose'''. We're still unsure when and if it has become the longest metro. The sources aren't clear. This leaves us exposed to an inaccurate or out of date ITN posting if it goes up. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 21:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::Indeed. I'll post '''''if''''':
:::There is a source which confirms this is the longest in the world;
:::It became the longest recently enough, which would be May 4- the date of the oldest item currently on ITN and
:::All this is reflected in an adequate update to the article. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:Is source a problem? Look at the Reuters and Railay Gazette soruces I've posted. The article itself seems updated. I think we can all agree that it recently became the longest int he world. and the raiway gazette confirmed it as of may 4. i don't see this as being outdated.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.65.20.55|76.65.20.55]] ([[User talk:76.65.20.55|talk]]) 22:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::The Railway Gazette says it happened on 10 April. It's not exactly up-to-date to say "the Shanghai metro became the world's longest metro four weeks ago". I suspect the horse has bolted on this one. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps but why would they wait until May 4 and not say something on Apri 10. I do know they were still testing the network and perhaps it was not 'officially' open. it may be difficult and somewhat ambiguous to judge when that actually occurred. maybe someone can find better sources.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.65.20.55|76.65.20.55]] ([[User talk:76.65.20.55|talk]]) 22:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Oppose''' - the details (i.e. exactly when it actually happened) are just too murky for me to be comfortable with a main page blurb.  The sourcing is OK for the article, but I'd like to see stronger evidence for the mainpage. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
**Agreed. We'd need a very good source pretty quickly for this to go up with the unusual frequency of ITN updates over the last few days. As it is, it would probably end up towards the bottom of the template anyway, but I'm still not averse to posting if a clear enough source can be found. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  19:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

====6.4 Magnitude Earthquake in Chile & Peru====
*This story happened a few minutes ago.  No casualty reports yet, but blackouts have been reported.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 03:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:Wait until more details emerge.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::I don't know...I'll say '''neutral''' on this one...I would say support except for the fact that this is kinda desensitized by that massive quake they had earlier this year. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 03:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
For the record, the quake was centered in Peru.  Here's the [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iY59I5tfk49FOz8KJ4DB1DPPtvcgD9FH3JKG1 AP Report] (though it doesn't say much).  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 03:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:This kind of quake happens somewhere on Earth a couple times per month.  The effects might be bad if it hit in a vulnerable populated area, but I'd oppose unless the details show significant damage / loss of life.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 04:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't look like anything major happened with this one, fortunately.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 13:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' With this level of effect, probably shouldn't even have an article. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 14:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[United Kingdom general election, 2010]]====
{{small|Moved from FE [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)}}
[[United Kingdom general election, 2010]], to be held. —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 21:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Hm, what are we going to put as a hook when (<span class="ltr">if</span>) the election is over and we have a hung parliament, but yet the parties haven't quite decided what's going to happen (i.e. co-op government or minority government). Shall we have a temporary hook stating that "The '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2010|United Kingdom general election]]''' results in a [[hung parliament]] with the [[Labour Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|Labour Party]] / [[Conservative Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|Conservative party]] having the most seats."? '''[[User:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span>]] [[User talk:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span>]]''' 13:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::This absolutely has to go up, even in the case of a hung parliament. (That would just result in another blurb when Her Majesty finally appoints a PM; or she calls fresh elections.) [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''  We have to post it whatever the results is.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::The question being raised is not '''whether''' to post it, but what the '''blurb''' should be in the likely event of a hung parliament.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 05:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: For that we may mention something like "No party got a clear majority of seats and Cons won X number and Lib-demo Y number. Labour followed with Z numbers. Cons and Lib-demo will form a colation." etc. Just a rough idea.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Strong support''': The [[United Kingdom general election of 2010]] is currently being held, today on 6 May. --[[User:European community|European community]] ([[User talk:European community|talk]]) 07:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::No. We post it up after the results are clear. [[Special:Contributions/121.72.165.43|121.72.165.43]] ([[User talk:121.72.165.43|talk]]) 09:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - ''If'' we have a hung parliament it is likely that is will take several days for any coalition to be formed (if one is formed at all). I think Jolly Janner's proposed blurb seems good for immediate results of a hung parliament and we should then follow it with by something like "''Following a [[hung parliament]] in the '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2010|United Kingdom general election]]''', Party X and Party Y agree to form a [[coalition government]], with person Y becoming [[Prime Minister]]''" when the outcome of negotiations are known. Of course [[Conservative Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|the Toffs]] could always win a majority, meaning none of this will be needed --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 08:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''': I've never been anywhere near ITN before, but when I couldn't find anything about the UK general election on the homepage I came round here <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #20406F;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User talk:Alex.muller|<font color="#20406F">Alex Muller</font>]]</span></b></small> 08:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Jolly Janner's suggestion. The key on this one will be the timing. Assume it's a hung Parliament with X party winning most seats: we're just going to need to wait for a clear run of reliable sources to say so. Just to clarify I don't think it worth putting anything up until there are actual results. "An election is held for the Parliament of the United Kingdom" isn't by itself particularly interesting and the election has technically been running for weeks (ie since the writs were issued). --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 08:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''' - definitely needs to appear on main page, if only to counter claims of American bias (given the prominence that was given to the 2008 US elections)&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Tivedshambo|<span style="color:#7F0000">'''&nbsp;Tivedshambo&nbsp;'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Tivedshambo|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Tivedshambo|c]]) 10:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strongest possible support''' (if more were needed) - closest race for PM in a generation, and the coverage of the US election was daft to say the least - the least we can do is shove this in ITN. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#169999;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 10:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:LOL at the U.S. biaz shit. This will be posted no matter what happens. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::And recall we put the UK election in ITN when there was just a ''debate''. I don't see the bias arguments. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 11:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well that was the first ever the country's history. It's like they experienced [[Lincoln–Douglas debates of 1858|Lincoln-Douglas]] in 2010 so it's ITN-worthy. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not saying it wasn't ITN-worthy; I'm saying that the U.S. election isn't the only election where things other than the final results are put on ITN. If it's news of general international interest and there's an updated article, it should probably be on ITN. And, like it or not, the U.S. election was of general international interest (not to mention it was far more dragged out). As in that case, results here will yield an ITN update. That election and this election are being covered similarly. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 11:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I dunno what's the equivalent of a hung parliament in presidential democracies? The second round? If there's no second round? What happened in Florida in 2000? Anyway it balances itself out, ITN adds nominations for both parties, for the U.S. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 12:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A coalition. (Or in US terms getting a couple of Republicans to go along with it). [[Special:Contributions/87.194.172.100|87.194.172.100]] ([[User talk:87.194.172.100|talk]]) 13:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::In the U.S., if no-one gets 270 electoral votes, the House of Representatives decides things, one vote per state. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 14:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I suggest we put a "sticky link", [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=360528908&oldid=360520882 like this] at the bottom of ITN for the UK election and, if it works well, all other major elections in future. I went and added it then immediately self-reverted just so I could provide an illustration. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think enough readers are looking for this article '''''right now''''' to justify reverting yourself and leaving that up, HJ. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 15:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::But that would mean wheel-warring with myself! Lol! There seems to be a bit of support for it on T:MP as well, so I'll stick it back up. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
: Guys, just wait for the results (or exit pools) and add the item then. We never put side links for elections. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::In my opinion, it should '''definitely''' go up before the results are totally out. For international folk: it's 5pm BST. Polling stations have been open since early this morning, and [[BBC News]] has been talking about it all day. Polling closes at 10pm, which is when the results TV shows start. They run through till 6am tomorrow. Won't people be getting home from work and looking for this article right now? <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #20406F;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User talk:Alex.muller|<font color="#20406F">Alex Muller</font>]]</span></b></small> 16:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm inclined to agree- I don't think the blurb should be up yet, but I like the link at the bottom. People are going to be looking for information on this, so it makes sense to have it on the MP and I think this is a good opportunity for WP (and ITN) to prove it can be flexible. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' posting before we have something to say about it. Everybody who is even mildly interested in it, and plenty who are not, knows that the British public are voting today. Given the interest (and the uncertainty), I suggest posting a piece when it becomes mathematically certain that one party has won the largest number of seats; and an update when(/if) there is a change in Prime Minister. These are similar to the rules we use for elections in other countries. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''I think enough readers are looking for this article '''''right now''''' to justify reverting yourself and leaving that up, HJ.'' Then people should use the search or Google. That link is opening up a floodgate that should not be opened. There is simply no reason for that link to be there, except for the fact that people do not understand the purpose of ITN. Yes, it's the day of the election, but that article will get few updates until the results are announced (or begin to be announced or whatever). We hold off on posting all sorts of major news items -- and, heck, the election in the Mauritius -- simply because we don't have an update. It took more than twelve hours for the Times Square bombing to be posted because people were debating whether that was real news. And yet people are suggesting having a non-news item -- yes non-news because it's nothing other than "people are voting right now" -- with no discernible updates posted on the Main Page simply because they can't wait a few hours. Honestly, I better not ever hear any of the users supporting this motion talk about about U.S.- or other national bias again. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 16:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, that's kind of disappointing. Who cares if that article will only get few updates? I don't know what this magical "purpose of ITN" is, but I know what the (public) purpose of Wikipedia is: to get the most relevant information to the largest number of people as quickly and as efficiently as possible. Currently, we fail at doing that. <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #20406F;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User talk:Alex.muller|<font color="#20406F">Alex Muller</font>]]</span></b></small> 17:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I wouldn't worry Alex, nobody really knows why ITN exists, that's part of the fun, and what makes nominations, even trivial or routine ones, a joy to behold usually. Leave now and forget you ever learned of this place. Trust me, it's for the best, if you are of a logical disposition and you value your sanity. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Mmmm, I'm putting this on my list of places that [[WP:BUREAUCRACY|aren't worth the hassle]]. I read the discussion on [[T:MP]] and found [[User:Tariqabjotu|Tariqabjotu]] to just be plain rude. But thanks to the decent folk here, I appreciate it {{mono|:)}} Bye guys <small><b><span style="border:1px solid #20406F;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User talk:Alex.muller|<font color="#20406F">Alex Muller</font>]]</span></b></small> 18:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I don't make comments unless I can stand by them, both in tone and in substance. Despite your swipe, I have found no exception to that in the comments I have made here and there. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 01:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::There's nothing "magical" about the purpose of ITN. If you don't know the purpose, that's one thing, but I don't think it's incredibly difficult to understand. It's to show articles that are updated that are in the news (and, to be more particular, of international interest). Long debates here generally stem from the second part -- What's sufficiently in the news? What's of international interest? -- as that is a subjective point. However, here the international interest is not in dispute, and what's up for debate is what's sufficiently updated, an observation that is usually objective. "People are voting today" (or, now, yesterday) doesn't yield an update. Results, however, do, and that's why we generally wait until after the election is over and, ideally, a winner called. No reason was/has been brought forward explaining why that should change, except that there are people looking for that article. I'm not entirely certain people will come to an encyclopedia for that information, but for those that do -- and those that search Wikipedia for news items, most of which don't make it to the Main Page -- there are alternative means for finding the relevant articles. We are now a news source; hence the update criterion, which did not appear to have been met. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 02:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed with Physchim. '''Post the results ONLY'''. Precedent and the slippery slope are important. Although some seats may take longer to declare than others, 95% should be done by 4am tonight. By that point it should be fairly clear what's happened; even if it is going to be very close, the largest party should be obvious (it'll be the Tories). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Results only''' as per usual. I understand it's a big event in the UK but to everyone else it's just another election. There's even one going on in Mauritius as well! ;) No special treatment or its ends up as [[WP:NPOV|POV]]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
* Polling is closed. Mori exit poll for BBC/ITV/Sky says hung parliament, Conservatives 19 short of an overall majority - CON 307, LAB 255, LDM 59, OTH 29. You heard it here first. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Post now, then update'''. I think it will be odd to people if they see a section called "In the news" and the biggest news of the year (in the UK) isn't there. There's no reason we can't have a line now that says, "British voters take part in the '''[[2010 United Kingdom general election]]'''" and then update it with the results when they become available. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving "special treatment" to the country that accounts for the second-most number of readers on the site. We don't have to treat the UK like Mauritius. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 21:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]]'s version. Please update when necessary. [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 22:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
**Is "British" correct? I would have thought there are a few voters in Northern Ireland who would bristle at that. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:38, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
***How about "Voters in the United Kingdom go to the polls to elect a new Parliament", with "elect" bold pipelinking to the 2010 election page? --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

*LOL @ ITN #21934. It's agonised all day whether to post news that the voting was ongoing, and only now, after the voting is ''over'', we get the hook "voters take part in a general election". It's done, it's over. The voters 'taking part' bit has already happened. If it has to be there right now, (debatable, it says nothing really, I would rather no info than inaccurate info), it should at least mention the exit poll results - these are very credible, they are conducted by MORI and shared with all the broadcasters. Alternatively, you could mention the apparent 'scandal' of severe delays in voting in some areas, and borked lists in other areas, which ''may'' result in a legal challenge. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 23:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*[[File:2010UKElectionMap.svg|100px|right]]It would also be good to post the crazy map people are colouring in over on commons. You can only just about see it now, but it will look better as the colours fill in. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 23:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:wow that note about ppl voting looks so awful. people are voting in an election is not news... its an election ofcourse people are going to vote. Please '''remove''' and post when results are in. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 23:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::If it is not news why is it in every major English-language newspaper right now? The point is that putting it in ITN helps those who are looking for information on the election, and there are a lot of people in that category right now. This is why I advocated putting a sticky link on the election up for the length of the campaign. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I think is a foregone conclusion anyways. But when the results are confirmed (hung) in the next couple of hours it should go on there.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 01:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' until results are published. Just like any other election --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:If I not wrong, Conservative need just 58 more seats to win [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/ current results]. Polls were also correct.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

::It looks almost certain now that there will be a hung parliament, so I would recommend a blurb of ''"The '''[[United Kingdom general election, 2010|United Kingdom general election]]''' results in a [[hung parliament]], with the [[Conservative Party (<span class="ltr">UK</span>)|Conservative party]] winning the most seats."'' per the suggestion by JollyJanner. Obviously we will need to wait for official confirmation, but the conservatives need 40 of the 51 remaining seats, which is a tall order --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If the London Times is calling it a hung Parliament, I think ITN is ready to. [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7119226.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797084] --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 08:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''', with results. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 09:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 5==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 5}}
===ITN candidates for May 5===

====[[Mauritian general election, 2010]]====
General election in [[Mauritius]] - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 15:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:'''Update and post''' Article is not more than a stub in it current state.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 00:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::Most of the sources are in French given most of their newspapers are written online in French. There is the high possibility that [[Paul Bérenger]], of the [[Mauritian Militant Movement | MMM]] wins this election. A [[white person]] of christian religion democratically elected as leader of an African country where the most popular religion is Hinduism, doesn't happen often nowadays. Might be worth mentioning in the blurb if he wins. --[[Special:Contributions/99.244.91.182|99.244.91.182]] ([[User talk:99.244.91.182|talk]]) 01:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} (sorry, I like that template :) ) the article needs to be expanded- it's a stub at the minute and so unpostable and the references will need formatting into proper citations. Any idea what time we can expect results? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:According to the AFP[http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jLhVRABGEklc7tHLsuj_1870fYpQ], "Vote counting will start Thursday morning and results are expected later in the day". There is Google News [http://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en&rlz=1C1SNNQ_enCA356CA356&q=election+mauritius&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dUtW9UB9TDsz-GMzQUHV3lYB_e0_M&ei=SDHiS5bIL4GClAeo5bH-AQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&cd=1&resnum=1&ved=0CCIQqgIoADAA] for the most up-to-date results. --[[Special:Contributions/99.244.91.182|99.244.91.182]] ([[User talk:99.244.91.182|talk]]) 03:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:: The article need more information. ---[[User:European community|European community]] ([[User talk:European community|talk]]) 07:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Can't see the news-worthiness in this. There must be elections in far flung places every week and unless they are notable for a particular reason (Burma would be an example) I don't see why every bit of world-wide democracy needs to be made ITN. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 08:24, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Elections in sovereign states are generally always posted, but 10 hours later and we're still lacking an update... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  10:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's a race against time. If the results for the UK election are released earlier than this one, the Mauritius election will be on top of the British election blurb. The Philippines will probably wait for at least a week so 2 elections will be on top of the British election blurb, unless it is updated twice. Brilliant. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 12:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::But things are stacked by the date they occurred, not the date they are added to the ITN template.  So this election  should always be below the UK election, and rotate off first.   
:::::::That means past Philippine presidential elections won't get in since they finished counting a ''month'' after the election! &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Support''' once we know who wins- election results for all recognised sovereign countries (plus the Republic of China and the Republic of Kosovo) should go up, IMO.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 14:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - The ruling [[Mauritian Labour Party]] victory is confirmed and there is now a photo of Prime Minister [[Navin Ramgoolam]] available. [[File:Navinchandra Ramgoolam portrait Navin Ramgoolam Portrait 2014.jpg|100px|thumb]] [[User:Scanlan|Scanlan]] ([[User talk:Scanlan|talk]]) 23:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. As if ITN could look even more stupid than it does already! I'll put the image up, but I need to crop and portect it first. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:Can you change the wordings to: '''The coalition led by Mauritian Labour Party wins the country's general election with Navin Ramgoolam (pictured) remaining prime minister.''' This is because there are two other parties in the coalition that won. And also, the PM that won, was already PM before the election. Thanks. --[[Special:Contributions/99.244.91.182|99.244.91.182]] ([[User talk:99.244.91.182|talk]]) 00:34, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::Any better? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's better now, thanks. But why is it on the third place? The death in Nigeria happened on the 5th and was already on ITN before whereas the election result has just been announced a few hours from now. --[[Special:Contributions/99.244.91.182|99.244.91.182]] ([[User talk:99.244.91.182|talk]]) 00:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Because the second half of the second blurb, the swearing in of the new Nigerian President, happened on the 6th. Sorry. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Umaru Yar'Adua]]====

'''[[Umaru Yar'Adua]]''', [[President of Nigeria]], dies aged 58. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 22:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', once the article gets a more substantial update.  It is not often a head of state dies whilst in office - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 23:15, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Death of head of state while in office is ITN/R. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 23:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment'''. According to BBC News, it's not yet confirmed. Obvious support though if it is confirmed. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::[http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/05/world/AP-AF-Nigeria-Obit-YarAdua.html?_r=1&ref=global-home AP] seems more confident and a spokesperson has confirmed it. But it can't hurt to wait the short time until the apostrophes drop from "dead".--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::According to the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8663824.stm BBC's article], "''A spokesman, who did not want to be named, said Mr Yar'Adua died on Wednesday, although there has been no official announcement yet.''" though I grant you that's only one source. Probably best to wait until we know for certain, though. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  23:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Wait''' until confirmed. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 00:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::CNN is reporting it as fact now: confirmation from the Information Minister and condolences from Barack Obama. [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/05/05/nigeria.president.dead/?hpt=T1] --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::The article needs more prose on the death- there's only a sentence or two, and really it needs a paragraph. That siad, given the importance of the event, I'll post it if someone adds another few lines. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I've added some info about Obama's condolence message and his scheduled burial. I'm hesitant to add too much early detail lest the article be overcome by recentism. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 01:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*Excellent. '''Posted'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
**Should we have something in the item about [[Goodluck Jonathan]] being sworn in as his successor too? [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8663824.stm] [[User:SteveRwanda|SteveRwanda]] ([[User talk:SteveRwanda|talk]]) 08:42, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
***I agree. A new head of state of a large country like Nigeria would probably be ITN worthy in and of itself. Suggest the blurb be amended to read: --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 08:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
***:[[President of Nigeria|President]] of [[Nigeria]] '''[[Umaru Yar'Adua]]''' (''pictured'') dies at the age of 58. '''[[Goodluck Jonathan]]''' is sworn in as his successor.
***::{{done}} - blurb updated as suggested. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 12:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Faisal Shahzad]]====
How about bumping the Times Square bomb blurb up now that Faisal Shahzad has been charged and has a very well updated article? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  19:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Personally, I think the articles should be merged, per [[WP:BLP1E]]- Shahzad isn't notable for anything beyond this plot. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well the closest comparison I can think of is [[Nidal Malik Hasan]] whose article was AfD'd and eventually kept despite BLP1E- I've a feeling an AfD here would have a similar outcome, but the bomb is currently the last item on the template, which means it will most likely be off at the next update- I don't think it's quite outlived its newsworthiness, so it would be worth bumping it up a bit, though I'm not overly bothered where the bold link goes. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm fine with just letting this rotate off whenever something else gets added- in the end, noone died, the bomb didn't even go off.  It's like [[American Airlines Flight 63]]- it may have long lasting effects the way AA 63 started the shoe carnival at airport security- but the part of this story that's major news has played out. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''  I don't think we need to revive this item again ;Though Our Foreign Minister [[Shah Mehmood Qureshi]] has cited it as a possible retaliation against US drone attacks in FATA.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 22:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose'''. Had this attack been in upstate New York, it would already have fallen off the headlines. We should neither succur to those who wish their criminally stupid acts to make the headlines, nor to those who wish us to live in perpetual fear of such people. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' this story is generating a lot of interest still.  do not agree at all that this article should be merged. this has been brought up in the past and WP has several extensive articles on prominent individuals like [[Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab]], [[Aafia Siddiqui]], [[Ajmal Kasab]] who were excessively notorious for one event only.  we could update the blurb with his name since we now have a decent article and move it to the top .--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 01:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think messed something here, [[Aafia Siddiqui]] is not known for one event only :). I think BLP also need to taken care of in such cases.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====Mass strikes in Greece====

I believe we've posted at least one item related to the [[2010_European_sovereign_debt_crisis]] but I think this is a pretty major event.([http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8661385.stm BBC]).  The only update I can find, which needs substantial improvement, is at [[2010_European_sovereign_debt_crisis#May_2010]]. Or maybe a new article could be created.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 08:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Did we feature the Greek crisis before ? --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 09:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::We posted when Standard and Poors downgraded Greece's debt recently.  However, these strikes are having the following effects (most decribed in the linked article above):
::*Flights in and out of Greece halted
::*Trains and ferries not running on Wednesday (ferries would be pretty signficant in Greece).
::*Schools, hospitals, and many offices are shut
::*Euro drops to [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10097819.stm 13 month low]
::*Markets [http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article7115884.ece drop world-wide]
::*(Edit--new development} [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8661385.stm 3 Deaths]
::--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 09:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Three deaths in the civil unrest this morning should bump this up I would think. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 12:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' once update/new article created. this is turning out to be a big deal--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support.''' I'm not a native speaker, but you can try something such:
:::''General nationwide strike and demonstrations (in major cities) in [[Greece]] localy turned violent against [[2010_European_sovereign_debt_crisis|austerity measures]].'' [[User:Yug|Yug]] [[User talk:Yug|<small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small>]] 15:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::(<span class="ltr">ec</span>)'''Support''' also, when an article is created. Three people have been killed, several buildings set on fire, there are no flights into or out of the country, trains and ferries are not running and schools and hospitals have closed. Not your average day I would say --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 15:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Support. see article [[2010 Greek riots]] here to expand --[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 16:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::'''support''' per above. i think the focus of the blurb should be about strike not the violence. since it should be posted with or without violence. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 17:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::We're still lacking an update- the article is three sentences long... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  18:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
*Anyone want to suggest a blurb? The article also needs expanding before it can go up, or is there a postable update elsewhere? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:28, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
**Article is now much better. Any suggestions for a blurb? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
***{{ec}}[[May 2010 Greek protests]] is good to go.  Suggested blurb: <code>[[Austerity]] measures proposed to secure [[euro|€]]110 billion in loans aimed at ending the [[Greek_debt_crisis#Greek_government_funding_crisis|Greek debt crisis]] lead to '''[[May 2010 Greek protests|widespread protest]]''' throughout [[Greece]] and three deaths in [[Athens]].</code> Might be a bit long, but I'm not sure how to shorten it--[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 22:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Add my '''support''' I think they are now massive enough to be posted..--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 22:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. I tweaked the suggested blurb a little, but if you think I've omitted something, I can tweak it some more, but that was a bit too wordy imho. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
*:Your blurb is much better, so good work. :) --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 23:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

====Kirchner @ UNASUR====
yesterday there was a posting about Nestor Kirchner being appointed the first Secretary General of UNASUR, this is a big step as it is on the lines towards a S. American unity and becoming another EU/ASEAN/AU. ([[List of Secretaries General of UNASUR]])[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 13:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC))
::Just a note, please continue the discussion down below; splitting this conversation up will cause disorganisation. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 16:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 4==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 4}}
===ITN candidates for May 4===
====Picasso====
Saw this in the portal but no nomination. [[Pablo Picasso]]'s ''Nude, Green Leaves, and Bust'' sold for US$106.4, an at-auction record. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 01:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Where would the update go? Do the pieces have article(<span class="ltr">s</span>)? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, it's just one piece, if that helps you lean to support ;) '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 01:17, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' if someone creates an article on the painting. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 01:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' [[Pablo Picasso#Commemoration and legacy]] already has some information on other expensive works. If this would be acceptable, I can put an update there. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 01:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works for me- it would be easier to link to from the template if you can create a subheading. Please forgive my sheer ignorance of art ;). Someone'll probably create an article at some point, especially if it goes on the MP unlinked. I'd support, but for admin purposes, I'm neutral! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't have the time or knowledge to create an article for the piece, but I have updated that section. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 01:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not usable, but HJ proves prophetic, even though it's not on the MP yet. [[Nude, Green Leaves and Bust]] has turned blue.  Unfortunately, it's not usable it its current state. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 01:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::{{ec}}(damn you Brad!) [[Nude, Green Leaves and Bust]] is now a bluelink, but it's a sub-stub atm. I'll drop the author a note and redirect the serial comma title there. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Another few lines of prose would be nice. Maybe another paragraph if there's enough info? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

*Article has been improved, so '''posted'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  03:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:I am so bummed that I didn't see this (must have happened after I went to bed), I would have given my '''Support''' though. I'll just have to wait to the auctions in June and July to see if the record is broken again. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 11:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::sigh what sucks is we cant put the painting on the page. picasso should really not have copyright (or atleast images of his paintings) lol -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 13:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Ha, I agree. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 13:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, bummer, I wanted to put it up :( [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::But can you imagine the uproar we'd get for having a topless women (albeit a very odd painted one) on the main page. It'd be [[Gropecunt Lane]] all over again --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 16:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Lol, the peanut gallery never will be happy with ITN- they're criticising us for having it up there in the first place! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

====The ash is back====
*Volcanic ash resulting from the [[2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull]] is once again causing [[Air travel disruption after the 2010 Eyjafjallajökull eruption|air travel disruption]] on a rock to the north-west of Europe whose name must not be mentioned on the Main Page. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' to see how widespread the disruption is. And this is coming from someone who's outbound flight was delayed by 6 days, and whose return is due on Friday. <crosses fingers> [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:And I'm flying over to Europe, through Heathrow on Friday.  Nevertheless, waiting is good; if this is just one day's closing of Irish and Scottish airspace, it's not significant enough to post. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''', no need to nominate this every day. It would never gain enough support until it had at least caused as much damage before. [http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0506/travel.html It's back ''again''] today for a third time this week. Still, it's only Ireland. ;) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====First Secretary General of Unasur====

Former [[Argentine]] [[List of Heads of State of Argentina|President]] [[Néstor Kirchner]] was unanimously elected the first Secretary General of the [[Union of South American Nations|Union of South American Nations (Unasur)]] on a [[Head of State]] summit held on [[Buenos Aires]] nearbies on May 4, 2010. [http://www.telam.com.ar/vernota.php?tipo=N&idPub=185629&id=354473&dis=1&sec=1 Télam (Argentina)], [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050402529.html Washington Post], [http://www.abc.es/agencias/noticia.asp?noticia=369915 ABC (Spain)], [http://www.semana.com/noticias-america-latina/unasur-estrena-secretario-general-nestor-kirchner/138444.aspx Semana (Colombia)]. --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 17:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:The Kirchner's are becoming quite the powerful couple.  I'll '''Support''' when there's an update to the USAN article. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 17:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::I already updated that info on USAN article. Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 17:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::No offence, but you added one line of prose.  I'd like to see a full paragraph before fully supporting this item. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::New paragraph added at intro and structure section updated at [[Union of South American Nations]]. Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 19:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 18:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': whilst this does seem significant, it's worth noting that UNASUR has not entered into operation yet. Would it not be better to wait until it actually starts up, and then post a story along the lines of 'UNASUR comes into force, with Kirchner as its first secretary general'? [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Unasur is operative since 2005/2008, depending on considerations. Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 19:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Add: See [[Union of South American Nations#Current work in progress]]. Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 20:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::According to our own article, 'The UNASUR Constitutive Treaty was signed on May 23, 2008, at the Third Summit of Heads of State, held in Brasília, Brazil, but not as of yet ratified by the required ninth nation.' Is this incorrect? Although some preparatory activity is underway (including setting up the relevant bank), there's no secretariat and most activities seem to awaiting that ninth ratification. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::The operativity and legitimacy of existing and/or developing policies (not to mention the designation of a secretary general itself) should be considered as effective (factual) operational capabilities of the union, regardless of the yet unfinished Constitutive Treaty formal ratification processes by national legislatures. For the permanent establishment of the regional institutions we'd have to wait some years, and yet some more so as to see their fully operational capabilities. Nevertheless, this election is of itself a major and relevant step in Unasur's institutionalization as well as regarding the union's political autonomy. Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 20:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)   
:This is a big step to a more active body (a future EU-Type org.?). In particular an oft-negelcted region standing on its own and against the "global order."
:yesterday there was a posting about Nestor Kirchner being appointed the first Secretary General of UNASUR, this is a big step as it is on the lines towards a S. American unity and becoming another EU/ASEAN/AU. ([[List of Secretaries General of UNASUR]])[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 13:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC))
::I draw upon this comment by Lihaas (that I brought here from May 5 subsection), to ask about the current status of the aforementioned proposal. Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 20:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
*Well I'm not averse to putting it up, but you need to better explain what's going on- for example, is UNASAR active? It might also help if you suggested a blurb. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:The blurb would be: <code>Former [[Argentine]] [[List of Heads of State of Argentina|President]] [[Néstor Kirchner]] is unanimously elected the first [[List of Secretaries General of UNASUR|Secretary General]] of the '''[[Union of South American Nations]] (Unasur)''' at a [[Head of State|heads of state]] summit held in [[Campana, Buenos Aires Province|Campana]], [[Buenos Aires Province|Buenos Aires]],[[Argentina]].</code> I'm working into expand some content at Unasur article, but I'm afraid I didn't quite get your other comment: Where should I expand/update info? What kind of info should I bring? Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 23:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Add:''' Right now I cannot spend much more time at these articles. If you consider that one or two concrete additions/updates would do it for the ITN item published, please tell me. If that's not the case, then ''será hasta la próxima''. Salut, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 15:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*OK, I think the update is probably sufficient, but I'd like maybe one or two more supports before I'm happy posting it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak Oppose''', him and his wife (who is currently the president of Argentina) don't exactly have a good reputation, and their are lots of corruption allegations against them (such as http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/29/argentina-president-cristina-nestor-kirchner) so I don't think this organisation is going to be particularly significant. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 18:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::With all due respect, I don't see the logical consecuences between the domestic allegations of corruption regarding the Kirchners and the significance of a supranational body executive office. I could improvise some contrafactuals regarding the importance of a political position respective to the suspicions of personal misconduct, and the impact of these correlation on the relevance of an executive office inauguration, but there are thousands of examples known to everyone. Methinks. Salut,  --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 18:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Because personally if I wanted to setup a serious political body, I'd appoint someone who isn't under a cloud of corruption allegations to run it - not just an old mate who needs a new job. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 19:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, it seems you have some personal opinions regarding how international policy is made. Or regarding Latin American politics. Ok, there's nothing I can do to change your mind. (By the way, Kirchner does have current tasks, as party leader and national congressman, but it doesn't matter). Be well, --<small>[[User:IANVS|IANVS]] ([[User talk:IANVS|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IANVS|cont]])</small> 19:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::News significance isn't the same than news "approval", it shouldn't matter too much if we "like" the man in the news or not. The important thing about Kirchner is that he is an ex-president of a country of this organization. For significance of the news here, there shouldn't be much difference if the man elected was Kirchner, [[Tabaré Vázquez]] or [[Michelle Bachelet]] (to name a few other ex-presidents). [[User:MBelgrano|MBelgrano]] ([[User talk:MBelgrano|talk]]) 19:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Support!''' :) Well, really it's about time South America appeared on ITN again; I'm not sure it featured last month at all. But, apart from that, this is the election of a secretary-general to represent a group of nations. The EU equivalent was posted and (I don't have time to check now) I think there must be some other examples of similar ITNs. As for the connection with some form of corruption, whether that be true or not, let's just say... I would disagree with its relevance when deciding its significance relating to ITN. If you go down that path it could be argued that any or even all politician(<span class="ltr">s</span>) are corrupt and ineffective - but then none would ever, ''ever'' be posted. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====US Nuke arsenal====

[[United States]] reveals the exact size of its [[Nuclear weapons and the United States|Nuclear arsenal]]  for the 1st time in a bid to bolster efforts to curb [[Nuclear proliferation]] [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64251X20100504?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews (Reuters)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Nothing special. I think many other countries already do so.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Weak Oppose''' when it comes to nuclear weapons, the US isn't just any country, though the number isn't very surprising and I have a hard time seeing this as its own news item, given the nuclear meetings right now.. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 05:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the conference itself might of some importance.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 06:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Maybe if the number had been surprising, but the number was within reasonable predictions, perhaps even on the low side. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 12:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[May 2010 Tennessee floods]]====
"Worst flooding in [[Tennessee]] since 1937." &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 06:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait'''  Until we have more detail on this.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 06:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Probably over 50 deaths, which is around the number of incidents in third-world countries that we post. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 14:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Support''' Significant casualties and damage across a number of US states make this a major natural disaster [[User:PopularMax|PopularMax]] ([[User talk:PopularMax|talk]]) 14:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' per above--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' AP is already reporting 29 dead across 3 states due to the flood, and more victims might be found as floodwaters recede.  There is significant flooding in downtown Nashville, the 26th-largest US city, larger than New Orleans was during Katrina and like New Orleans, a major center of Southern US culture, music and tourism.  In Nashville, flooding is affecting athletic and cultural buildings. [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 15:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. If anyone wants to further update the article with those stats, I'll tweak the blurb. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I have updated death toll to 19 in the state of TN - will update now to reflect other states and add infobox similar to those of other floods we've had this year (Madeira and Brazil). [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 15:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As soon as you've added the total to the prose with a reference, I'll update the blurb. Good work. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I've added a casualties section doing the death breakdown state-by-state - 19 dead in TN; 6 in MS and 4 in KY.  It's sourced to local newspapers and Wall Street Journal.  Have a county-by-county breakdown for MS as well. [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 16:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Updated. Thank you. :) [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[JCall]]====
'''SUPPORT''' pretty big move in the light of what is happening in the Middle East. More pressure on the Israeli's it seems, especially in light of Obama's attempt to marginalize Aipac with the introduction of JStreet (they now have supporters in the other big centre of geo-politics.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 13:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose''' This is about an online petition that has gathered 3,000 names, and it's disputed as to what exactly they support anyway. Hardly a major development. [[User:PopularMax|PopularMax]] ([[User talk:PopularMax|talk]]) 14:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Both the jpost (right-winged more-aipac friendly) and al jazeera have shown what they feature, that they are the euro-version of JStreet. that is almost diametrically opposites.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm confused.  Is this about a petition or something else?  Please suggest a blurb so I can properly evaluate what you are proposing. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 16:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'm with ThaddeusB; when you make a nomination, please be clear what is newsworthy in your proposal. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 17:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Its not the petition that is landmark, its the formation of the group (which was founded officially on Monday. I'll update the paraphrase for the main page above..[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 20:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Uh, are you proposing ITN feature the setting up of a new lobbying group? Because that really doesn't sound like significant news to me. I too would like to see a blurb, because I must be missing something here. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[T:TDYK]], however, would be much more likely to run it on the main page, as the article meets the requirements for length and newness.  Just format the reference to hide the bare URL, and try to find another ref to go along with it.  I'm not seeing anything here that's significant enough for ITN, however. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay good, idea. S'pose it better than the news. More refs are added, just removing the bare references [[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 08:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' if the petition is included. Seems to have been criticised/debated by all sides, seems to involve public figures from several countries. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

====Thai elections, 2010====
The Thai politic crisis that has been going on for 3 years (but espcially the last 2 months that paralyzed the capital seem to have come to an end with the announcement of elections.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 13:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support''' If confirmed that this is the end of the protests and has been resolved by acceptance of elections [[User:PopularMax|PopularMax]] ([[User talk:PopularMax|talk]]) 14:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Wait till confirmed''' - Having followed the crisis for a while now, I find it unlikely the opposition will accept the proposed November date.[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63H06E20100504?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews]  That said, if they do, it is n obvious support. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 16:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' if confirmed, important news, I hope Thailand can move forwards. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', [[The Guardian]] is reporting that the opposition has accepted the proposed timetable [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/04/thai-redshirts-accept-reconciliation-election]. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as per MG. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::then, '''Support''' since plan accepted. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' after it actually happens. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 02:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
*To clarify, so I can get the blurb right, is this an acceptance of a general election date and an end to the recent unrest? Also, do we have an update? I note that [[Thai general election, 2010]] is currently a red link. I'm happy to post once there's an update, though a blurb suggestion would be nice. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::Its not a red link, the page existed when posted above. You should be able to read it.
::the election date was accepted by the protestors are now holding out for a dissolution of parliament. So i guess you can make the call on posting or not. [[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 08:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
*<code>After a [[2010 Thai political protests|two-month long standoff]], Prime Minister [[Abhisit Vejjajiva]] and [[National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship|Red Shirt]] protesters reach a tentative agreement to hold '''[[Thai general election, 2010|elections]]''' in November.</code>--[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 12:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::I have expanded Lihaas' article a bit; it should be ready for posting now. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 13:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Thaddeus. '''Posting'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 3==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 3}}
===ITN candidates for May 3===
====Ash====
The ash has come back to haunt us (who live in Europe, or more specifically where I live, Ireland. Maybe it will spread.). [http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0503/ash.html] —<small>&nbsp;<span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 20:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Oppose unless it brings back another bout of large-scale airport closings. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 21:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Oppose for the moment; we're going to get lots of stories like this over the coming months, so we should save ITN pieces for the really big disruptions. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Indeed. One to keep an eye on, but it's not for ITN yet- obviously if it causes anything like the disruption from last time, I'll reconsider. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  22:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''  unless it leads to widespread disruption.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 22:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
No, by all means this is not ITN material. [[User:Truthsort|Truthsort]] ([[User talk:Truthsort|talk]]) 23:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''  Until it causes a "massive air traffic disruption".--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

====Ajmal Kasab conviction====
[[Ajmal Kasab]] convicted for [[2008 Mumbai attacks]] by Indian court.[http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hfCYOKxkJou-hpK6D9bq_8zIZ9hAD9FFBA8G2]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 14:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:This is pretty big news... its on front page (top story) of pretty much any international news paper including bbc, cnn, star, guardian... -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' if the update can be expanded beyond one sentence. I don't think the claim that it is the lead story everywhere is accurate, but it is still major news. --[[User:ThaddeusB-public|ThaddeusB-public]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB-public|talk]]) 15:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' It's not everyday that someone is convicted of killing over 100 people.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 16:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::As Thaddeus says, a little more detail in the update is required, but I'm willing to post when that's been done. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. The attack was big news, he was captured at the site and with video evidence that he participated in it. It's hardly big news that a court of law found him guilty of participating in the attack. And, on a practical note, there are still more "news" stories to come: his sentencing and his (probable) execution. Posting this conviction is to fall into the trap that terrorist crimes somehow deserve more coverage than other crimes ''simply because their authors are terrorists''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::I've no strong opinion on this, but the conviction, while not unexpected, seems to attracting a lot of attention. If we posted this, though, I would certainly oppose the sentencing or execution. I think it's worth posting one of the three, but I've no opinion on which. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' I think we can wait a bit before deciding on this item faith. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 17:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' as this is a big deal, though I'd be happy to wait until the sentencing/execution. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
: '''Comment''' I think this was not an ordinary crime and this is no ordinary criminal.  In addition to the number of victims some of them were chosen because they belonged to a certain faith / country.  also the attacks were notable for widespread impact they had.  India Pakistan peace process was derailed because of this attack ( and still is).  Also unusual in that a [[Fedayeen]] was caught alive and finally convicted. though sentencing should happen quickly at the rate India executes its criminals it could be decades before the execution--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 18:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Question''': if he ''is'' sentenced to death, how long would it be before the sentence is carried out? If it's a matter of days or weeks, we might be better off waiting for that. If longer, the sentencing would probably be best. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::This is pure guesswork, but I'd imagine they'd set an execution date at the sentencing. Assuming, of course, that that's the sentence. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  19:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I suspect he will be handed the death sentence.  but I am sure it will probably be decades before it is carried out .  [[Mohammad Afzal]] who was sentenced to death for [[2001 Indian Parliament attack]] is still alive an kicking.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 19:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::In that case, my preference is for the conviction while it's news. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: looks like sentence will be announced tomorrow [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704342604575221662322118640.html]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 20:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well if it's ''that'' soon, we're probably better waiting fro the sentence. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::And I'd '''support''' posting it now, and tweaking the blurb when the sentence is announced. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
*OK, '''posting'''- there's a fair bit of support for this and the blurb can be refactored tomorrow assuming the sentencing goes ahead. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  21:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:*Sentencing now scheduled for [http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/04/india.mumbai.attack.sentence/ 6 May]. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 13:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

====5-wicket maiden over (Never happened in Crickets 400 years history)====
[[2010 ICC World Twenty20#Group A| 5-wicket maiden over]], this is something which will take decades to happen. Just like Tendulkar 200. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

:Could you provide a source for "never happened in 400 years?" --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 04:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' - According to the BBC, even though 5 wickets fell in the over, only 3 a being given to [[Mohammad Aamer]] and they don't seem to be making much fuss about it. But again, if you can provide a source for this being the first time it has happened then I'm happy to change my vote --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 06:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Sacrificial runouts (2 in this over) are a new phenomenon due to the restrictions of limited-overs cricket, but are now quite common as the wicket is worthless in that context and to just randomly steal runs in the last over. Even in ODIs, the non-striker will randomly sprint 10 metres down the pitch as soon as the ball is bowled now that you can't get Mankaded, and if it is hit back to the bowler (e.g. straight yorker) then non-striker is dead. This happened twice in a 50th over by [[Harbhajan Singh]] v Australia at the SCG in early 2008. Three wickets by a bowler in one over isn't new. [[Lasith Malinga]] took a double hattrick in the 2007 50-over WC. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<span style="color:#FA8605;">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll</span>]]'')  07:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''support''' if first ever... once only thing. the reasoning or context behind it is all POV. if this happened first time ever then should be posted. Given proper updates though. there isnt much right now... -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 13:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose'''per YM--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 15:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Did "five wickets" fell in a "maiden over"  ever ? [http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-wwww0w-factor-pakistans-fivewicket-maiden--in-a-losing-campaign-20100503-u3tm.html TSMH desribe it as "most successful over in Twenty20 history"]. If somebody wasn't watching the match, these words of former Australian captain [[Ian Chappell]] will do '''''“I don't think I'll get over saying 'five-wicket maiden', ever.''”''' [http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/cricket/08-aamer-delivers-five-wicket-maiden-ts-06 Dawn] I can't find any India Vs Australia ODI in early 2008 though ;) I know sacrificial runout are common in both chess and cricket but you don't see five wicket maiden in any form of cricket or mate in 2 at GM level ;) [http://www.thesportscampus.com/201005024940/twenty-20/icc-world-t20-australia-beat-pakistan unbelievable final over saw an ''exceptionally rare 5-wicket maiden''] .--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 17:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. The reason why it has never happened in 400 years is because Twenty20 has only existed for the last seven of them. This would never happen in other forms of the game, and comparing them is totally disingenuous. Besides, we're still missing a reference saying it's the first, it wouldn't surprise me if it had already happened at lower levels of the game. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Sounds very impressive, only became interested in the sport five years ago, relatively young, it made him bleed! [http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-wwww0w-factor-pakistans-fivewicket-maiden--in-a-losing-campaign-20100503-u3tm.html  This] from ''The Sydney Morning Herald'': "It is highly doubtful any first-class team has managed 5-0 in an over, let alone in a World Cup. Aamer, 18, has admitted he had only picked up a real cricket ball five years ago, and the experience left his tender fingers bleeding because they were not used to the seam". ''[http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/02/australia-pakistan-world-twenty20 The Guardian]'' says it was "surely the greatest death over full stop". It is being reported around the world. Not a cricket fan but it seems like a sport that is popular enough to feature more on ITN. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:40, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Before this only 4 wickets have been taken in a an "over" let alone a "maiden over" [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_record_for_most_wickets_taken_in_an_over Most wickets in an over]. For cricinfo as a soruce we will have to wait for a few hours. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

====Ten new states created====
*The [[Nigeria]]n [[House of Representatives of Nigeria|House of Representatives]] announces the creation of [[States of Nigeria|ten new states]], five in the north and five in the south, by 2011. "There is no running from the fact that new states would be created next year". [http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/201004300686.html (''AllAfrica.com'')]

:I know it's just an announcement but it sounds at least as significant as a Barack Obama speech. Since they are going to be created by a certain date, now is the time it is being reported could it be posted now (after an update, if one is needed, etc)? How often does an announcement like this happen? And Nigerians officially speak English if that helps. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::Aren't we supposed to wiat once the states are established? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::But will they all be established together? I doubt the creation of each state would be posted? But maybe? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm willing to give way on federal states such as Nigeria, so they could be posted. Not really sold on unitary ones. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

*As a minor point, it looks like the news is from 4/30, which isn't fatal, but should be noted.  That said, I don't really see any international significance in what amounts to an internal reorganization of the way the country is sub-divided.  I searched, but couldn't find a single news story about this other than the one AllAfrica.com post.  As such, I'll '''oppose''' at this time, but am open to reconsidering my decision. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 04:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Wait'''. I'm included towards a weak support, but only when they are actually created. This announcement is not enough. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

====United and Continental merger====

[[United Airlines]] and [[Continental Airlines]] agree to merge & form the [[World's largest airlines|largest airline]] in the world.[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/business/03merger.html (The New York Times)]--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 00:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' We posted the BA-Iberia merger. Is there an update? I'd suggest creating an article under the name of the new company. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''' The new company will keep the United name.  The [[United Airlines#Merger discussions with Continental and US Airways|United]] article has already been updated.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 00:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Very good. I see you're way ahead of me. this should be a no-brainer, but I'd like a few supports before I post it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' when confirmed. Major merger --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 01:39, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' for official confirmation, which should come in a few hours time. The current ''NYT'' headline – "United and Continental Said to Agree to Merge" – is not the sort of certainty we usually look for on an ITN piece, and the ''NYT'' story is based entirely on anonymous sources. Apart from that, I've no problems with posting a story of this nature: indeed it's nice if we can find consensus for a business story from time to time. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' when official.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' if it hasn't been confirmed as that would be posting speculation and rumours based upon what anonymous "people" who have been "briefed" have said. Sounds quite suspicious and more than a little tabloidy. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' when confirmed.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 03:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' but as per above.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10095080.stm BBC News] is now saying the deal has been confirmed. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::The update to the article is a tad weak, in my opinion. Or perhaps because it's because every section in that paragraph begins with "On X Y, Z date ...". -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 11:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Agreed, it could do with a copyedit. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I cleaned it up and '''posted''' it.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 17:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
According to [http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=38073], "Both a full-scale Justice Department review and Senate hearings are expected, and the Obama administration has vowed to step up enforcement of antitrust laws." and so technically the merger could still be prevented. I'm not sure it should be up if further hearings could prevent the merger, as it has not been fully finalized. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 21:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think we're applying the same criterion as to other big mergers (eg, British Airways–Iberia): the merger is subject to administrative (anti-trust) approval, but that's all. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, shareholder and union approval, as well. But the hook says "agree to merge", which is sufficient qualification. Or does the "forming" language that follows cause ambiguity?--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 00:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There have also been Continental shareholders filing suit against the merger [http://www.northjersey.com/news/business/92741374_Merger_faces_rough_takeoff.html?c=y&page=1]. In addition, a proposed merger between United and US Airways was barred in 2000 by the Department of Justice based on antitrust reasons. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 00:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::::While true, there have been three major things since then- American/TWA, 9/11, and Delta/Northwest- combined they say there's not much that can be learned from a 2000 decision about UA/US. (Not to mention that UA/CO/US already enjoy a limited form of antitrust immunity as part of [[Star Alliance]], which was granted after the UA/US rejection.)  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 00:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Two very large airlines, it will greatly affect North American air travel. [[User:Doc Quintana|Doc Quintana]] ([[User talk:Doc Quintana|talk]]) 17:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


==May 2==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 2}}
===ITN candidates for May 2===
====Johnson & Johnson recall====
[[File:Onejohnsonandjohnsonplaza.jpg|right|100x100px|Johnson & Johnson headquarters in New Jersey, United States]]
*[[Johnson & Johnson]] announces a recall of 43 [[over-the-counter medicine]]s intended for infants and children, affecting ten countries.[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/01/AR2010050103051.html]
:'''Nom:''' sounds like a pretty major recall - "a vast portion of the children's medicine market" in the USA is affected.  Any update probably should go in its own article as the main J&J article would result in [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]]. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 01:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/05/2010518535960539.html Aljazeera], [http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Baby-Medicines-Massive-Recall-Of-Johnson--Johnson-Products-Made-By-McNeil-Consumer-Healthcare/Article/201005115623926?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_3&lid=ARTICLE_15623926_Baby_Medicines%3A_Massive_Recall_Of_Johnson__Johnson_Products_Made_By_McNeil_Consumer_Healthcare Sky News], [http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/04/30/childrens-medicine-recall.html CBC]. Aljazeera says [[Canada]], [[Dominican Republic]], [[Guam]], [[Guatemala]], [[Jamaica]], [[Puerto Rico]], [[Panama]], [[Trinidad and Tobago]], the [[United Arab Emirates]], [[Kuwait]] and [[Fiji]]. So that's at least three continents. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' when update has been created.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 02:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Done. <code> [[United States|America]]n pharmaceutical company [[Johnson & Johnson]] ''(headquarters pictured)'' recalls '''[[Johnson & Johnson#2010 children's product recall|43 types of over-the-counter children's medicines]]''' from at least 12 countries around the world, citing health concerns. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Note:'''' a have started a stand-alone [[2010 Johnson & Johnson children's product recall]] so that the event can be described in more detail without violating [[WP:UNDUE]].  I used Candlewicke's text to start it, so if/when this gets posted please make sure to give him ITN credit. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 04:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Dedicated article is good to go. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 06:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - article looks very good. Well done --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::Posted - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 08:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Chris Solinsky]] American 10k Record====
Chris Solinsky ran 26:59 in his first 10k race ever becoming the first non-African in history to break the 27 minute barrier. Greatest American track performance since 1996. [http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/runners/2010/05/chris_solinsky_sets_american_1.html] <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:98.247.218.30|98.247.218.30]] ([[User talk:98.247.218.30|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/98.247.218.30|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*'''Oppose''' Not a world record. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 19:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' First time ever a non-East African has gone under 27:10, much less 27. Time is also the Americas Record (North America, South America and Caribbean). Also beat the Olympic Record time. Canadian Simon Bairu set the Canadian Record and Kenyan Sam Chelenga set the Collegiate Record in the same race. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:98.247.218.30|98.247.218.30]] ([[User talk:98.247.218.30|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/98.247.218.30|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*'''Oppose''' per Grsz. This is not a world record so it is not notable enough to be on the main page --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 19:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Why then was the "Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley" on the front page? This is far more notable. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:98.247.218.30|98.247.218.30]] ([[User talk:98.247.218.30|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/98.247.218.30|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
::: Scroll down. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#999916;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 20:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', not a world record, and I'm not convinced the 10k is high-profile enough to post even if it were. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - good feat, but maybe not world-record level. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#999916;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 20:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Would seriously consider a world record, but a continental record isn't enough, IMO. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 20:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as it isn't a world record. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 20:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' and express concern that achievement by race seems to be under proposal as worthy of inclusion. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 22:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::The item is clearly not going to be featured, so your concern is unfounded.  That said, when did anyone other than you mention race?  A North American continental record is not the same thing as a "white guy record".  --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::First white guy was my initial take on the hook as well. It's a reasonable misinterpretation of what was being suggested.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 23:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Ditto, particularly from the support remarks of the IP. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 00:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Oppose'''. This doesn't seem to have much international coverage. If an African had that continent's greatest track performance in only 14 years and beat an American-only record the same might be true, i.e. it wouldn't be noticed outside Africa. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
*:::Though I still think it should have been featured, the reasons why it shouldn't are also equally valid. And as far as race goes, Africans are by far the best in the sport. I'm not sure why acknowledging that they are better at something is being interpreted as racist. If an African swimmer were to break the 15 minute 1500 meter barrier it would also be worthy of mention, despite not being a world record, as it is a major barrier and would signify their emergence into the sport.[[Special:Contributions/98.247.218.30|98.247.218.30]] ([[User talk:98.247.218.30|talk]]) 04:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::I suspect the Kevin McE mistook African American for African, presuming the hook would have been basically a record about a non-black runner. But of course, African technically makes no racial demarcation, after all there are plenty of white Zimbabweans and South Africans who are 'African' and North Africans from Egypt, Morocco and the like are a predominantly different ethnic group, so in reality the comment was unfounded. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Comment'''--If a football team from outside Europe or South America won the World Cup for the first time I think we would consider including that detail in the inevitable blurb on the World Cup.  I don't think the significance of a non-East African runner here is any different.  That said, '''Oppose'''.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 World Snooker Championship]]====
Due to conclude either tonight or tomorrow (depending on how close the game is). Listed on ITNR so should be a formality when updated --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 08:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:World number one and last year's champion has [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8656905.stm just been suspended]. Is that important enough for ITN? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - leading figure in international sport involved in scandal, immediately suspended by his governing body. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 14:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' immediate posting, with a later refactor to announce the winner, which may not be known until late tommorrow. I've updated Higgins article on what is a serious sporting scandal. Suggested blurb:
::*<div style="float:right;margin-left:0.5em;"> [[Image:John Higgins8x6.jpg|100x100px|ALT TAG]]</div>The [[List of world snooker champions|three times]] snooker [[World Snooker Championship|World Champion]] [[John Higgins (snooker player)|John Higgins]] is '''[[John Higgins (snooker player)#Suspension|suspended]]''' following match fixing allegations, while the [[2010 World Snooker Championship|2010 Final]] takes place between [[Graeme Dott]] and [[Neil Robertson]].
::[[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

*I'm reluctant to post before the winner is announced (though I don't object to another admin doing so) but I'm happy to post when we have a winner and an update. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:I can't express how strongly I'm opposed to this.  Putting a weakly-sourced, highly negative item about a BLP on the main page of the encyclopaedia?  Two of the three sources given are the [[News of the World]], which while they make their living with this level of thing, we should be able to rise above.  Support posting world champion, though. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::I agree. I think we're OK as far as libel with the hook above (but IANAL). However, BLP is also about the negative impact on individuals' lives. Higgins has a plausible explanation for this video, so I'm not keen on putting the allegation on our front page.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 16:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Where are people getting this idea that BLP means Wikiepdia just pretends notable events just never happened? This article update does not violate BLP. It is appropriatley sourced and attributed, and entirely neutral and in correct proportion to the severity and coverage of the allegations. Any talk of libel is just nonsense. If people want to keep abusing BLP! in this manner, people will simply stop writing and for and reading Wikipedia. It is getting beyond a joke now, I am convinced people don't even bother to read the policy they invoke with the three magic letters. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 16:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::There's an incredibly large continuum between "pretend it never happened" and slapping it on our front page. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 16:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::{{Ec}}Come up with a BLP-compliant blurb that includes this and I'll post it when we have a winner. You can't argue your way put of BLP, which is about human dignity and reputation as much as libel. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::The sourcing (BBC and ''Telegraph'') is fine for ''the article''. But they're both reporting that the supermarket tabloid ''[[News of the World]]'' claims to have a video and promises to publish more next week. Even if everything the tabloid alleges is true (and Higgins and Mooney admit as much about the contents of the video), Higgins' claim about the video is plausible. Mooney, despite resigning, corroborates Higgins' story that they feared for their safety and just wanted to agree and get out of the country. That level of complexity can be stated in the article, but it can't be encapsulated in a ten or twenty word ITN hook, which is all many front page readers will see about Higgins. So I '''oppose''' posting.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 17:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not changing anything. The suggested blurb is accurate and BLP compliant. I am truly sorry that this site is in such a state, people can't see that. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:The proposed blurb is BLP compliant, IMO.  However, I am uneasy about combining the WC results with a only marginally related story.  I am also uneasy about two postings back-to-back for the same sport.  On the other hand, I don't know how valid it is to exclude one story based on the inclusion of another, so overall call me '''undecided'''. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 17:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::For me, the logical thing to do here is apply the same rationale we would do with any criminal case and assume innocence until otherwise proven. At the moment, Higgins has been accused of taking a bribe and it likely that an investigation will follow, during which time he will more than likely be suspended. Nothing has been proven as of yet and we never normally  post a criminal story until there is a definitive outcome, usually through the means of a sentence being handed out by the courts (for case in point look at the Goldman Sachs nominations of recent weeks). Thus, I would argue we should list the winner of the World Snooker Championships, as per normal and wait on Higgins until there is a definitive outcome of any case brought against him --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 17:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::He is already suspended, and there is no suggestion he has actually fixed a match, or taken a bribe, only that he allegedly planned to. Therefore, there won't be any trial here, there is nothing actionable in that sense. That doesn't stop it being a major scandal in a world sport though. This is a matter for the WPBSA only, who will either ban, clear, or otherwise deal with Higgins. With the last major sporting scandal I am aware of being posted to ITN, [[Crashgate]], news of that was also posted before any proceedings had taken place, and even in that, where something had actually happened, no trial took place. For the purposes of ITN, interest in this story will never be higher than right here, right now. Ignoring it, while posting the result of the final, when all sources are saying this has had just about the same effect on snooker as the Crashgate revelations did on F1, will frankly just be perverse. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' but should wait on including Higgins--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 18:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support World Championship result ONLY'''. Regardless of BLP issues, the Higgins allegations are a) just that, allegations, b) not notable in themselves, c) only tangentially related and d) make the blurb too long. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Not notable in themselves?. It is a ''huge'' scandal in a world sport, it has totally eclisped the ongoing world final. Only tangentially related? He is the ''defending champion'', one of only five Snooker knights, one of only four players to ever win it three times in the history of the sport. Wonders never cease with ITN tbh. I shudder to think what could be considered a more notable snooker scandal. Steve Davis decking the frail Alex Higgins when he appeared yesterday maybe? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::He was knocked out in the second round, ergo he is not related to the final. He is no longer defending his title, because he has been knocked out. The Higgins story really has ''nothing'' to do with the world championship final. Notability can be argued either way (I happen to think it isn't), but the relationship to the final is clearly circumstantial and merely down to timing of the allegations. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You won't find this assessment of yours repeated in any credible source, nobody who knows anything about this incident or the sport of snooker would believe it for a second, and it depresses me that ITN might be used to give out this totally false impression of events to the rest of the world. Barry Hearn certainly recognises that this is no mere coincidence, or that the scandal is of little notability, and he is certainly not extremely relieved that Higgins was already knocked out. We are after all dealing with allegations of throwing matches, so pretty obviously, the absence of the defending champion is not unimportant, even if we were to sit here and pretend that this does not have wider ramifications for, and is not totally bound up in, the credibility and standing of the sport, from this final onwards. The true irony, which goes to the heart of the impact of the scandal and which is why Barry Hearn is having a heart attack right now, is precisely because the final this year was a total non-event, and this scandal threatens to destroy his masterplan for fixing that. The only way ITN could possibly ignore this news, while still posting the result of the final, is if it pretended it really was just a sports ticker. Everybody here knows that isn't what it is supposed to be (not least because it is as slow as hell in even fulfilling even that basic function). [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 01:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC) 
:::::Well of course the release of the footage was timed to attract the maximum possible attention - that's journalism. And yes, it's resulted in a lot of media attention which has mostly been diverted from the final. That doesn't mean the story is intrinsically related - as I mentioned, it's down to the timing of the allegations. I never suggested the timing was coincidental - it clearly was not. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::If it isn't related btw, how come the BBC are beginning each session of their coverage of this final with a rundown of the situation, and have Higgin's statement and Hearn's interview on a running loop for these bits? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well while you're arguing that, Mick, the article still needs work- it has barely any prose and needs a reasonable lead section before I'd consider posting it in ''any'' blurb. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't look at me. I think that it would be a hundred times worse for Wikipedia to post the result of the final and ignore the elephant in the room, so I'm not going to update it myself, if that's all right with my volunteer collegues.... [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 01:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' posting Higgins allegations per Modest Genius. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 05:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::[http://www.smh.com.au/sport/robertson-wins-world-snooker-title-20100504-u46s.html Neil Robertson becomes the first Australian to win the world title since 1952] and [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/snooker/8658510.stm the first player from outside the UK and Ireland to win the world title since 1980]. Sounds like an extraordinary achievement. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not extraordinary in the slightest. There have only been about 6 Aussie players in the final stages in 70 years and over 90% of players since 1980 have been UK nationals. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 20:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::OK, I'm happy to post this once an update and some prose has been added to [[2010 World Snooker Championship]]. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  00:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That enough? I added some more sentences and an Australian source. Be careful, there seems to be an edit war going on judging by the page history. ;) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
*I converted the article from a list of facts to prose, Candlewicke expanded it a bit.  I'll come back to it and see if there is anything to add in another 15 or so. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
*Thanks guys. It's still not perfect, but I'll post it. Anyone got a good elephant pic to put up with it to make Mick happy? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Lightmatter elephanttrunk.jpg|thumb]]
:::Here's a crying one (not really, but it looks like it). --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
[[File:RoyalWhiteElephant.jpg|thumb]]
::::Here's a white one from Thailand. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::The bullets points were a problem last year too. One year later and the [[2009 World Snooker Championship]] is back to a list of facts as well. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::That's pretty lame - looks like it was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2009_World_Snooker_Championship&diff=288081787&oldid=288070748 the first edit after you left] actually.  Based on the day long edit war, it looks like a certain someone has [[WP:OWN]] issues with this article (and the 2009 one as well). --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I've watchlisted the article and I ''will'' block any edit warrior while it's on ITN. I've made this clear to the two editors I could see warring as well. Nice elephant, btw! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Well done guys. Brilliant Elephant pictures. Very apt, seeing that yesterday, in the morning sports bulletins the scandal was covered first, with the final result being reported as a footnote, and by the evening it wasn't even being reported at all while the scandal still made top billing. Today, nothing but the scandal. Front page, middle pages, back pages. Still, whatever you guys use to figure out significance, I'm sure it works most of the time.... [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Totally agree. The best improvement someone here thought to make was add that Robertson's  mother had travelled from Australia and that his g/f was pregnant so couldn't attend. Let's hope we get a bit more sensible consideration when the outcome of the disciplinary investigation is published sometime in the next 2-4 weeks. [[User:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Leaky </span>]][[User talk:Leaky_caldron|<span style="color:Grey;font:bold 8pt kristen itc">Caldron</span>]] 12:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[May 1, 2010 Times Square bomb scare]]====
- Nom - [[User:SiMioN.EuGeN|SiMioN.EuGeN]] ([[User talk:SiMioN.EuGeN|talk]]) 11:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''oppose'''. How many ''successful'' car bombs do not get posted. I don't care that it's NY--[[Special:Contributions/78.2.17.149|78.2.17.149]] ([[User talk:78.2.17.149|talk]]) 12:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC) It's me--[[User:De Administrando Imperio|<span style="color:#003399;">D'''A'''</span><span style="color:red;">I</span>]] ([[User talk:De Administrando Imperio|'''Δ''']]) 12:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:<s>'''Oppose'''</s> per IP. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 12:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
<s>:'''Oppose'''</s> Fortunate thwarting, but as a result, not ITN-worthy. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 12:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:<s>'''Oppose'''</s>. Ironic really, but heaven forbid we should put ''good'' news on ITN! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Obvious support''' Really, people? Yeah, we don't post many successful car bombs, primarily because they happen in places where car bombings are more common, and hence they do not make it much into the news. But, this is the top story on nearly every major news outlet in the world. Yes, that may be because this is New York and not Baghdad, but ''that's the point''; a thwarted car bombing in the middle of New York City ''is news'', while a thwarted car bombing in Baghdad ''is not''. That's how news works; if it's unusual given the circumstances, it's news -- save the systematic bias card for another time. Open your newspaper. Visit your favorite news site. This is very much ''in the news'' and we have a decent article on this; this ought to be a no-brainer. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 13:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK then, I'll support. I don't think we should make a habit of posting this kind of item, but a car bomb in New York is pretty exceptional. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure what you mean by "this type of item". Failed bombings of decent legitimacy in places that normally aren't bombed are always major news -- [[2007 London car bombs]] and [[21 July 2005 London bombings]] immediately come to mind. But, if one wants to be broader in one's definition of failed attacks, [[Northwest Airlines Flight 253]], [[2007 Fort Dix attack plot]], and [[2006 transatlantic aircraft plot]] all made ITN, and rightfully so; despite lack of carnage, they were major news stories of general interest. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 13:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Very well, I don't want to set a precedent of reporting failed attempts, but the attention this is getting is undeniable. '''Weak support'''. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 13:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' This bomb, which is rather being characterized as an [[incendiary device]], was so small I think that too becomes an argument for not posting this. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 13:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:Obvious '''Support'''. Car bombs in the Western world is a very rare and noteworthy event. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 13:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::They are not very rare, it's just that they aren't usually acts of "terrorism". __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 13:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Indeed. Happens more often in targeted killings. But, it's quite obvious this was not a targeted killing whether it's technically "terrorism" or not; and for that reason, this type of incident, whatever you want to call it, is rare. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 13:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' based on the level of international press coverage this is getting. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 15:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
: As horribly systemic the bias here is, I '''support''' due to the obvious rarity of this event, even if unsuccessful. That and it's covered pretty widely. [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#169999;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 16:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

*Any more for any more? I'm willing to post if there are a few more supports... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  16:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Posted'''.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 16:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hey! There's no consensus to post! __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 17:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I'll change my mind and '''Support''', I see the point from the supporting arguments, especially if similar attacks have been posted before. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::{{Ec}}Granted, another few supports would have been nice- hence my comment above, but there is a majority and there doens;t seem to be a strong argument against posting it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Comment''' Ok, the consensus is established, however, I think this headline sticks out like a sore thumb, looking like a local interest item. I also think that maybe we're feeding into the mainstream news media hysteria about "the terrorism monster". __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 17:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::And that was my initial argument for not posting it, but as similar stuff has been posted before and the media does get obsessed about it so its difficult to ignore :(. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 17:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 European sovereign debt crisis|Greece sovereign debt crisis]]====
- Nom - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] ([[User talk:SimonP|talk]]) 13:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*A needed update to the Greece story that is currently on ITN. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] ([[User talk:SimonP|talk]]) 13:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*:Okay... and what would that needed update be? -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 13:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
**:What I posted in the section above would work:『The [[European Union]] and the [[International Monetary Fund]] have agreed to a bailout package for [[Greece]] that will provide some €120 billion to end the [[2010 European sovereign debt crisis|sovereign debt crisis]] in that country.』Though feel free to rework the wording. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] ([[User talk:SimonP|talk]]) 13:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' but let the previous headline slide off in ordinary fashion. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 17:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'd prefer to wait until the deal has finally been approved by the eurozone governments, which should be around the end of the week. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

==May 1==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 May 1}}
===ITN candidates for May 1===
====[[Floyd Mayweather, Jr.|Mayweather]] - [[Shane Mosley|Mosley]] fight.====
The two fight later (9 pm EDT, 0100 UTC tomorrow) but we should probably start discussing it now.  These are easily two of the three best fighters in the world. But technically this isn't a title fight (Mosley would lose his welterweight title with a defeat, but Mayweather can't win it).  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 14:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Article is at [[Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley]]. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::Before saying that this is a fight between 2 African Americans, judging by the "International broadcasting" section this seems pretty well-followed elsewhere. Being shown on free TV in Mexico, China, and the Philippines, the latter two in the late morning hours. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:07, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If it isn't a title fight, then I '''oppose'''. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 21:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

: '''Oppose''', not a title fight (even if it's supposed to be a good one!) [[User talk:Fox|<font style="color:#660000;">&nbsp;'''''f&nbsp;o&nbsp;x'''''&nbsp;</font>]] 22:03, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::Eh oh no, here we go again we restrictive thinking that "not a title fight = not news". We had this mistake with the Pacquiao-De La Hoya fight we shouldn't do that again. If it helps, in most rankings (such as the [[Ring Magazine pound for pound|The Ring's]] and [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/bbc_world_rankings/default.stm BBC]'s), the two boxers are ranked 2nd and 3rd. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 00:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - fights appears to be sufficiently important (and of international interest) to make ITN. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak support'''. Although it's not a title fight, it seems to be attracting a lot of attention. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:Support.--[[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - This is the biggest boxing match of the year! [[User:Truthsort|Truthsort]] ([[User talk:Truthsort|talk]]) 02:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

*If someone wants to update the article and give me a blurb, I'm willing to post this. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  13:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:Seems to be an update there now. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 13:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Just finished the update...  How about: "In a non-title [[boxing]] '''[[Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley|match]]''', [[Floyd Mayweather]] defeats [[World Boxing Council|WBC]] [[welterweight]] champion [[Shane Mosley]]."  --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 14:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*I'm going to omit the "non title" part if that's OK. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
**Oh, Traiqabjotu beat em to it! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*'''Stong Oppose''' not even a title fight! In no way is this internationally significant. [[User:Reywas92|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; color:#1EC112;">Reywas92</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Reywas92|<b style="color:#45E03A;">Talk</b>]]</sup> 15:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*:It was broadcast in at least 29 countries, and in the news in even more. How does that translate into no international interest.  If the "most highly anticipated welterweight matchup since ... 1981"[http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/01/2010-05-01_perfect_weather.html] can't make ITN, than what fight can? --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 16:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*::Yeah, on Pay-Per-View in the US. There is a heck of a lot of news more important than this. [[User:Reywas92|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; color:#1EC112;">Reywas92</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Reywas92|<b style="color:#45E03A;">Talk</b>]]</sup> 17:48, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*:::What is, or is not, important is a matter of opinion.  Saying this is not important doesn't make it so. What is not in doubt, is that the event was covered in a lot more places than the USA.  In fact, it was a much bigger deal in several other countries than in the USA. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 19:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC) 
*'''Oppose''' Banning the championship results of entire world sports from ITN, while posting just interesting matches like this for others, is not a sustainable position for ITN. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
**Meh... by this thinking, strawweight title fights have a bigger chance of being posted at ITN. Titles don't matter in boxing anyway... now they're into money and the two boxers split up the US$25 million prize pot. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
***Well yes, ITN is rapidly becoming the standing contradiction to NOT#NEWS, Wikipedia's very own news ticker, even though a ticker format would actually allow this irrelevant behemoth of a section to be evicted and allow the Main Page real estate to be better used for the beneift of actual content writers and encycolpoedic content readers, rather than the improper self-serving risk-reward mechanism which means Wikinews, now and forever, sucks balls, and debates as to whether [[Gillian Duffy]] was involved in a notable incident this week as total contradictory farce. You won't find me disagreeing with the idea that ITN/C's stock and trade is pure random POV btw. This week it will be money, next week it will be titles, a week later it will be television subscribers, and all day everyday it is page views or not page not views, depending on where the story comes from. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 16:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
****Well, if there's one sport that is managed differently it's boxing. And supporters will dig up any reasoning to convince the people here. We [[WP:IAR|don't have to be limited to such pseudo-rules]] (such as not a title fight = automatical ITN denial). &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 16:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
******If you have a decent reason that this non-title fight is so significant, other than 'its in the news', which as everyone knows, is bizarrely not the criteria for In The News, then it of course is going to apply to other fights as well, lending itself to some sort of sensible rule change which recognises boxing's unique features, rather than just justifying it by effectively saying, IAR means ITN/C can just be random bollocks all day every day, which runs into the problem that only the supporters are the people that think that the nomination succeeding represents the goal of IAR, improving the pedia. Quite obviously that is a paradox, but a common one when IAR is invoked. IAR is as misunderstood as BLP nowadays tbh. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:08, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*******It has international interest? I don't see the criteria that a championship must be disputed. The two boxers are ranked numbers 2 and 3 in almost all pound-for-pound rankings (there is no universal ranking). This is not tennis where Federer and Nadal (or Djokovic) can play each other multiple times a year -- boxers only face each other at most thrice in their careers, and "trilogies" are rare. Plus, not all of those ranked are guaranteed to face each other at least once due to age, weight division (it'll be unfair for [[Bernard Hopkins]] to face... say [[Celestino Caballero]]), who handles them and the different sanctioning authorities. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*******As for rule changes, the fights that have the most press nowadays always involve anyone who is in the top 3 of the pound-for-pound rankings, whether it is a title fight or not. Examples are the Pacquiao fights (including his ITN-snubbed fight vs. De La Hoya) and the also ITN-snubbed Mayweather-Marquez fight. Both fights didn't have title belts on the line but drew a lot more attention than say a world championship fight for bantamweights. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
********Like I said, it looks like being simply 'in the news'. Your arguments aren't convincing me that posting this serves anybody who isn't already a boxing fanatic, and therefore knows all about the fight already. That is not international significance in ITN terms, it is turning the Main Page into a news ticker for boxing fans. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way boxers are ranked 2nd and 3rd, is through the title system? Big money fights? That doesn't translate to anything tbh. A movie can smash all box office records and its still touch and go whether it gets posted, so I don't think merely being a widely watched critically acclaimed big money earning film would cut it at ITN/C. Which is pretty much all this fight is by comparison. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*********So how do you measure international <s>interest</s> significance? Note that previously, you can only satisfy one criteria (international significance ''or'' interest) and you're good to go. When I read the new criteria, it basically says, you'd just have to obtain consensus. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 18:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
**********By proving that not just boxing fans took notice of the fight maybe? Should be easy if it eclipses or is at least equal to title fights of the same class, in importance. Something, anything, that does not resemble an argument that routinely fails for other listings, frequently, meaning that this looks for all the world like just another POV listing. Reviewing above, nearly every argument presented has failed before for other listings, and the reduced importance of title fights in boxing is not enough to explain that away, especially given other world championships in other sports are simply banned, and as said, this model patently wouldn't even translate to a different field like movies on current working practices. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
***********By hyperbole? Let's see. I dunno if the [[Philippines]] is just a boxing-crazed nation, but it was shown live late morning to early afternoon on one of the [[GMA Network|largest TV networks in the country]], preempting all programming until the fight has ended (actually it's delayed by an hour since they'd have to make way for a gazillion ads). It's safe bet, the network won't risk doing that if only boxing fans will watch. Same case in [[Mexico]].
***********Sports are banned? Not if something truly happens. or almost happens. Ask Butler fans. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 19:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
************I think its well known the Philippines love their boxing, no? And yes, 'it was on this network in this country that loves it', was an argument that failed for the banned sport I'm thinking of. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*************So it all boils down to [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]??? What's next, discounting British interest in snooker because it is  popular there? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 02:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
**************You've lost me know. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
*:WTF, no "entire world sport" has been "banned" from ITN.  Plus, boxing is one of the most internationally participated in sports there is. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 16:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*::Are you ''sure''? I want you to be absolutely sure of your facts before making such statements. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 16:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*:::[[Google News]] collected ~99 articles about this fight in [[Venezuela]] alone. That has to mean something, considering there were no Venezuelans in the entire card. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 16:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*:::[[Boxing at the Summer Olympics#Medal table|76 different countries]] have earned an Olympic medal in boxing.  If that isn't strong evidence that the sport is international, I don't know what is. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*:::::Christ. The claim I was questioning was of course not that boxing is not a major international sport. Jesus wept. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 16:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*::::::Well, I'm not a mind reader.  Is [http://showbizcenter.blogspot.com/2010/05/mayweather-vs-mosley-live-online-stream.html this] what you were looking for? If you are referring to the "banned" comment, yes I am quite sure no sport - or anything else - has been banned from ITN.  --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 17:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I do find it a little weird that we post a non-title fight when we have items like the KHL below that had enough support and yet were not posted. And I'm pretty sure pro wrestling (Wrestlemania) was shot down for itn pretty damn fast, so if you are looking for a ban, it's pretty much right there. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FFFFFF">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 21:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I supported both KHL and IPL (I suppose the "banned" comment is referred to one of those).  They both were slightly net support, but neither got posted.  Those who opposed mostly did so on the basis of level of competition.  That isn't a valid argument here.  Title or not, this was the biggest fight of the year and will likely remain that way. As explained, titles aren't currently very important in boxing.  "Other stuff" is also a poor argument to begin with - mistakes are naturally made and shouldn't be used to justify further mistakes.   And its not like the KHL championship was the world's 2nd best vs. 3rd best teams anyway, so comparison is invalid.  Additionally, the only reason it wasn't a "title fight" is because Mayweather said he wasn't interested in claiming Mosley's title. 
:::::::::Finally, keep in mind that the level of update also matters.  IPL and KHL were both minor updates to the article (i.e. minimal new prose added).  This update was much more extensive than either of those. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 21:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::"biggest fight of the year"? I can think of two earlier fights this year that have also been described as this, and they were title fights, and the title was important. Arguments of the form "biggest XYZ of the year" are never going to suffice as an argument for ITN, if it wants to be taken seriously as a process. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::In today's alphabet soup world of boxing, title fights are not as significant as they once were. [[User:Truthsort|Truthsort]] ([[User talk:Truthsort|talk]]) 16:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

====[[Kentucky Derby]]====
The Kentucky Derby is today.  Once results are known and the article is updated with sufficient prose, I feel strongly that it should be posted. The Derby is the most prestigious annual horse race in the world. (If you doubt that, check this [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22most+prestigious+horse+race+in+the+world%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= unofficial search] - everything is about the Derby). The phrase "Kentucky Derby" gets [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22kentucky+derby%22&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=2009/01&as_hdate=2009/12&lnav=hist9 14,000]-[http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22kentucky+derby%22&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=2004/01&as_hdate=2004/12&lnav=hist4 20,000] news hits per year (Based on the last 10 years).  --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 14:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. Obviously a significant event and should be ITN/R if it isn't already. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  14:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Concur''' on ITN/R. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 14:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' [[United States Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing|Triple Crown]] is on ITNR, but there hasn't been one since 1978. This should be there as well. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 14:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Why isn't this on ITNR already? It gets more attention than about half the sports items on there already. The other two triple crown races ([[Preakness Stakes]] and [[Belmont Stakes]]) should be on there too. [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 14:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' I don't really see why ''three'' American horseraces should go on ITN/R, I'm not opposed to one of them going on though. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 14:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:::They get a lot of coverage.  I'd have no problem with other ones being added, but I'm not sure how popular the sport is elsewhere.  [[User:DC|<font style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 15:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I've no real objection to them being added, but I don't necessarily support it. What about the [[Grand National]]? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  15:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Meh, while I support the Kentucky Derby,in the hierarchy of the Triple Crown, it's the least important of the three.  I guess I'm indifferent to the others, though the Belmont would be a shoe-in if it results in a Triple Crown. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 15:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 16:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - The [[Grand National]] was nominated earlier this month and the discussion that it prompted seemed to just peter out. I would support the listing and inclusion of the Kentucky Derby (<span class="ltr">US</span>) on ITNR along with the Grand National (<span class="ltr">UK</span>) and [[Melbourne Cup]] (Aus), all of which are significant cultural events within their countries of origin. That would be three horse racing events on ITNR and even though they may not be the most prestigious they are the ones which are most widely followed by non horse racing enthusiasts. Any others can be considered as and when they are nominated. Regarding the Triple Crown, I presume that refers to any of the [[Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing|triple crowns]] as opposed to just the US one. --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 16:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per Daviessimo's arguments. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 16:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' what Daviessimo said. I don't know anything about the Kentucky Derby but have heard of the Grand National. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Agree''' with Davissimo, with the caveat that we may struggle to get decent articles for all of these (how much is there to say about a horse race anyway, except the runners, riders, and finishing order?). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Concur'''. A very reasonable argument. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  20:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'd prefer for any of the Triple Crowns be won instead, which is the current [[WP:ITNR]] setup. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 01:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

*Riding [[Super Saver (horse)|Super Saver]], jockey [[Calvin Borel]] wins his third '''[[2010 Kentucky Derby|Kentucky Derby]]''' in the last four years.

:[[2010 Kentucky Derby]] article updated with ~4 paragraphs of prose. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

*Posting. Time I put my brand new mop to use on ITN! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Note: [[:File:Calvin_Borel.jpg]] is a relevant image, and has featured status on commons. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 02:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::We could do with a change of image. Give me a minute :) [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  02:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I know I'm rather late, but I believe the previous ITN/R decision was not to put up an item about this unless the whole Triple Crown was won and was applied to the previous 2 Kentucky Derbies, if I can remember correctly. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

====Mogadishu blasts kill at least 39====
39 dead and 70 injured in twin bomb attacks near a mosque in [[Mogadishu]], Somalia. [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g7OaI4_kjeHA-o4UhlmP7vlWmrrwD9FE1S680 AP]. Not sure if there's an article anywhere just yet. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 13:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:'''Support''' when article is created/updated.  Not sure if [[Battle of Mogadishu (2010)]] is related or not (was in a hurry and didn't have time to check). --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 14:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be more than tangentially related.  Working on [[May 2010 Mogadishu bombings]] [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 14:38, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The article, while not finished, isn't a one-sentence stub any longer. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 17:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't let my posting it discourage you from working on it. The fact that Wikipedia articles are continuously in progress is an intergral part of the project, something newcomers will see when they see it changing before their eyes. Just drop a note at [[WP:ERRORS]] if something in the ITN hook needs updating. Thanks for your hard work on this one.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 17:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Posted'''.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 17:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

====Protests====
Lots of protests today (as [[International Workers' Day|is traditional]]):
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8655767.stm (BBC)] Up to half a million are expected to attend Maoist demonstrations in [[Nepal]] in an attempt to get the government to stand down.
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8655711.stm (BBC)] In [[Greece]] thousands are expected to protest against the government's austerity plans.

Obviously more info will be available as they get underway.  I will keep an eye out for articles on them - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 09:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Add [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/05/20105111349544713.html this rather explosive horse race] and the  [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/05/201051155657920803.html Tirana hunger strike] to that. The horse race seems particularly interesting - death (a 104-year-old WWII veteran), injury, an investigation. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

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