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Oldest poem?
I stumbled upon this stub: Eulji Mundeok Hansi. Is this really the oldest poem as the article claims? Big if true moment. I feel like it can't be; it's probably from the 7th century or later, and we have a reasonable amount of writing from before that era. Even regular writing could have been seen as poetry based on how old Chinese worked. I gave it a quick Google but if someone's willing to take it up that'd be appreciated toobigtokale (talk) 03:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can we get momentum to change the policy to allow MR markings? I don't get why articles about other countries get to have markings and we don't. toobigtokale (talk) 09:47, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
North Korea, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Sagflaps (talk) 00:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You may have noticed I've been using Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to edit the formatting of references on thousands of Korea-related articles. I wrote a custom find+replace script to do this.
Scope:
Author names
Removes some spurious first/last names (dates/timestamps in names, or the names of newspapers instead of people)
Splits entire Hangul names squeezed into the last= into last=... |first=
Currently when the entire name is squeezed into author=, I leave this alone.
Removes the term『기자』("reporter") from first/last/author params.
Publication names
Fixes some typos or spelling variations
Links to Wikipedia article if it exists
Currently includes many Korean publications, publishers, and organizations (government and private), as well as major Japanese newspapers
Titles of articles
Removes some unnecessary artifacts in titles, namely repeating the name of the publication.
Language tag: fixes language=krtolanguage=ko. "KR" corresponds to Kanuri language, not Korean.
Sorry for editing some pages several times with this script; I'm still actively developing it (I tweak the script every few pages basically), so it's changed greatly since I first started running it.
Please let me know ASAP if you disagree with any edits or spot any mistakes. I tried to make the features uncontroversial. While AWB is semi-automatic (I look at and manually approve every edit), I may still occasionally overlook things. I've gone back and manually fixed things when I misclicked. toobigtokale (talk) 03:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if you'd like to request that I run the script on any page/pages, please let me know. I may not get to running this on every single Korea-related page (I currently discover the pages by recursively searching categories), but I try to prioritize major pages first. toobigtokale (talk) 03:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Toobigtokale Almost a week since you started this your WP:COSMETICBOT/WP:MEATBOT edits via AWB, will this ever be completed as I see no end to this given that instead of running once per articles, you have been running your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT twice on certain articles (to cherrypick few examples out of more than 100: Red Velvet, Pentagon, Shinee, Nam Ji-hyun, Park Gyu-ri) and even ridiculously 5 times on Ok Taec-yeon. Clearly doing a fuzzy search category by category is not working. In addition, I also noted that you have been adding additional rule to your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT instead of having a clear fixed scope which should have been the case prior to starting the first edit. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)19:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate the feedback. You're definitely right that there is a scope creep problem; I've been getting greedy with fixing more and more things over time. It does need to stop at some point; I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest. Maybe I'll rerun it periodically on new articles, but that's it.
While some of these changes are purely cosmetic, linking Wikipedia articles for publication names (which was my original purpose before scope creep) I'd argue is helpful. I started doing this because I've had several different discussions on Wiki where someone questioned the reliability of a major South Korean newspaper because they didn't recognize it; I'm hoping this contributes to transparency when people look at sources. Furthermore, I've also noticed several cases where unreliable sources are frequently being used on Wikipedia that are harder to spot (particularly OhmyNews). And for controversial topics I think having the links handy for easily scrutinizing sources is nice.
@Toobigtokale Thanks for the speedy reply. May I have an estimated timeline when "I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest" would be completed, end of this week i.e. 10 March 2024. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)19:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I think 10 March 2024 is reasonable. I'll start looking into getting that running. There's around 50k articles in WPK, so I'll need a few days to get through that stack probably. toobigtokale (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 성규환 example is an interesting one; I've seen its format around but haven't yet taken a deep look at it yet. It follows this pattern of |last=[some email address] |first=[name and usually some misc text]. I have to think through how to write a regex for it. I've noticed it maybe 10-20 times over all of my edits. If you can help me with writing a regex for it I'd appreciate it; otherwise I may get to it later, as it's a little infrequent. toobigtokale (talk) 03:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll, @Remsense and others, I've finished a bit ahead of schedule. There are actually around 33k articles on WPK, although my script only made changes on around half of them (many are too small or uncited). I still kept making additions while running the script, so some earlier pages (alphabetically sorted) don't have my later ones, but those are mostly cosmetic or minor changes. But I'll wait at least a year (lmk if I should wait longer) until I rerun this on any significant scale.
You may see me still running AWB, although I'll either be:
Running it for a different primary purpose, although this script's features are general so I may still run it anyway
Running it for a new page or a page that's since changed significantly
Future:
Fixing mistakes. I'll be looking out for them, but if you ever spot any, please ping me and I'll be happy to fix it.
One particular culprit is mixing up The Korea Times vs. The Korea Times (Los Angeles). I may run through "what links here" articles for both of these and fix everything up in near future.
There's still some unrelated AWB tasks for Korea-related pages that could be run. For example, as Remsense pointed out here (User talk:Toobigtokale#AWB to tag CJK text) automatically wrapping Korean text, perhaps by using Template:Korean (benefits of this explained on template page). However, to my understanding the impact of this is minor; won't make a significant impact on how almost all users will see pages.
I'm unlikely to do large-scale edits like this in the near future though.
Also to the IP user; I really think you should just make an account. I see you've been manually making dozens of changes that'd be easy to do with AWB, and AWB requires an account with adequate reputation. You'd be great with the program. You wouldn't have to stick with your account long term; just gain enough reputation to earn AWB privileges (I'm happy to vouch for you) and just use the account for AWB.
My understanding of WP:SOCKPUPPET tells me that if you want to edit on controversial topics, you're free to log out of your account and do so. As long as you're constructive while logged out and do not pretend to be multiple people to create the illusion of consensus, that wouldn't be considered sockpuppeting. toobigtokale (talk) 02:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I originally didn't plan (and still am not planning) to stay here long. I appreciate your recommendation, but still not sure about that. 172.56.232.215 (talk) 07:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've become a little skeptical of using and encouraging the use of Template:Expand Korean and similar. As respectfully as possible (there are many good editors fighting against the tide), the Korean Wikipedia has a systemic issue with poor sourcing; possibly influenced by Namuwiki. I think it can be nice to look at for ideas or book/source recommendations, but encouraging people to translate it I think brings their issues over to the English Wikipedia. toobigtokale (talk) 06:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely sympathetic to your points; wanted to record my doubt for others to see, as well as to spark any discourse. I will say most people won't be as careful/nuanced as you are with your instructions to your students. As we speak I'm on the front lines of cleaning up a lot of unsourced information that was often ported over from the kowiki 😅. It's a lot of work that I'd rather people didn't create more of. toobigtokale (talk) 23:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I am more concerned about improperly referenced content. I fear many people - including my students - are adding references that do not fully back up the text they are attached too. Cleaning up unreferenced content is only the tip of the iceberg :( Frankly, after 20 years here, I believe that unless the article is GA+ or has been written primarily by an experienced trustworthy editor, much of the content that appears referenced probably isn't :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here02:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that in many infoboxes for Korean monarchs, their name is written in Hangul/Hanja as "[State] [Name]", for example『고려 성종』("Goryeo Seongjong").
But I've never really seen a similar naming pattern used in Korean to describe kings like this. For example, the string『고려 성종』does not appear a single time on ko:성종 (고려).
I feel like this may have been artificially done to match the English naming pattern ("[Name] of [State]"), but I feel like this gives misleading emphasis on the use of this kind of naming pattern in Korean.
Does anyone know about this? I don't have much background in pre-modern Korean history. If there's consensus that this is unusual, I may propose going through using Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to automatically redo every infobox to remove this kind of pattern. toobigtokale (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a month or two late for the holiday, but rewrote this article. It's still far from solid, but I think unquestionably better than it previously was. I'll keep working on it over time; there's still so much information that's missing or things that need improvement. If anyone can upload more photos of the event, particularly ones good for the infobox, that'd be appreciated (I can't as an IP user). 104.232.119.107 (talk) 06:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Invitation to the 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest
Hello, everyone! I'd like to invite you all to sign up for the upcoming 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. The event runs from July 1 to September 30 and signups close on July 15. The WikiContest focuses on developing countries, which they have included North Korea within. The intention is to improve the English Wikipedia's coverage and comprehension of articles related to developing countries. For this reason, you may also expect that articles related to the North Korea may be heavily edited during the contest. More information on how points will be awarded can be found at Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring. For comments or suggestions, please don't hesitate to reach out to Wikipedia talk:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. Thank you! (Copied with the permission of Chlod) CMD (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles § Proposal to formally allow removals of unnecessary RR and MR values in various Korean-related templates. 172.56.232.186 (talk) 02:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
