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If that article survives the AfD, please do feel free to help carve out some of the absolute crap Niemti worked into the thing. I'm still cleaving through Mai Shiranui's article at the moment, it's not pretty. Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man As long as the sources are reliable and we are not dealing with OR, what is the problem? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS. To clarify where I am coming for, being also somewhat of a deletionists (I've nominated hundreds of fiction-themed topics for deletion here and on pl wiki): I see reception sections (and similar, i.e. analysis, history of creation, etc. - i.e. non-plot sections indicating subject's importance) as crucial. So reducing the size of such sections is not something I generally think is a good idea, as long as content there has reliable references. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is a lot of his citations are either OR, synethesis, or saying nothing at all. But by cleanup I meant the article as a whole. I rewrote the dev section, but there's probably a lot of other citations in there that, to be frank, are probably not saying what they're citing for or going way too hard with the embellishment. Niemti has a terrible record of just making shit up, citing sources for things they didn't say, or synthesizing a source's thoughts on something. I've dealt with his works enough times to know that.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man I am sure you are right and I have no problem with a particular edit of yours (as I have not reviewed them, either). But in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morrigan Aensland my quick spotcheck found at least one RS with relevant content that was removed (n 1996, Mean Machines Sega described her as "one of the most bewitching girl characters ever to appear in gaming, which explains her huge fan base in Japan – comprising men and women!"" sourced to "Mean Machines Sega 40 (February 1996), pages 18–20."?). It was removed by another editor, but unless it is an exception to the rule it indicates some folks, at least, are to zealous in their cleanup here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See that's the thing, I think it is an exception to the rule, and the better outcome would be, speaking from experience, to go through each source and try to rebuild with them than the reversion you're calling for, while being aware of trying to avoid over repetition, when a source isn't saying anything, and so forth. A big problem it has right not to boot is there's no actual SIGCOV: the CBR maybe could work, but it's...CBR. People will argue it doesn't count for notability.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man And the odds are coverage exists - in Japanese, and we don't have anyone able to do BEFORE in that language for this topic, apparently :( _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pitorus, what are you talking about? I do BEFORE's in Japanese and if possible Chinese now these days. We have websites like Famitsu, 4Gamer.net, and Inside Games to scour through. It's one of the reasons I insist on putting the nihongo templates up on these articles.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man I did not know about it. Are you fluent in ja and zh, or do you use MT? If the latter, I'd be interested in learning how to search for ja and zh sources, step by step (do we have a guide? Maybe you could write one...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean it's pretty straightforward, just google as such. Then just translate the pages with google to get a basic idea of what you're reading. That said though it works like any string search on a website so expect some garbage, and in this case it's mainly just a) cosplay and b) toys when searching for "Morrigan" "Vampire" in Japanese :\ That was a lot of what I was turning up overall.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man Fair enough, and my search is not turning up anything. The thing is, in the last few years I've come to realize there are plenty of in-depth reliable sources about much less popular Polish fiction topics. Many are not digitized, however, or require some knowledge of Polish language and database to locate. Now, Japan is 3-4x larger then Poland. Is there really so little scholarship or even fanzine level coverage of this - or are we not finding it? I know, I know, THEREMUSTBESOURCES, we cannot assume there are. But I'd bet there are sources, we just cannot find them, and locating them requires someone fluent in Japanese and familiar with Japanese databases (and likely being able to access non-digitized material). PS. Just to be clear, my vote in the AFD is not based on this assumption, but rather on my conclusion that the sources we have found are (barely but sufficiently) enough for notability. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well I speak enough Japanese to be able to get the hang of things, and sadly even if there are sources, it'll probably end up something like Mike Haggar at best: very weak. I feel like a huge problem with the reception there at the moment is it's just repeating the same things over and over, similarly to all the DoA character articles...and even there I' m helping MoonJet try and revive Ayane as I'm running across sources. That's a big thing to consider with this in the long run: just because what we have may not work now, it doesn't mean it won't later as sources are discovered or are written as time goes on.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man That is true, which is for such topics soft redrect is preferable to deletion. That said, I do think we have barely enough sources to warrant a keep here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably going to be kept anyway. I mainly worry about getting this thing to GA though.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man That may be hard until we get better sources... good luck. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello professor, these are my two article translations1HAHAHAHAHA_(Chinese_program） please check, my blog has also been completed. Please check. Thank you very much. Linziyu1823 (talk) 00:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Linziyu1823 For educational assignments, please report them to my university account (User:Hanyangprofessor2) as linked and named in the syllabus. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Professor. This is my next edit from Wikipedia, please check it. Linziyu1823 (talk) 02:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Piotrus,

a request for amendment that affects the 1-way interaction ban with Piotrus and a 1-way interaction ban with Volunteer Marek from the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland case has been made at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment § Amendment request: World War II and the history of Jews in Poland. Your input would be welcome.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]