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:'''Support''': I might not be too familiar with the format; but after looking at the 2008 example verses 2023; I like the monthly format better. [[Special:Contributions/12.74.221.43|12.74.221.43]] ([[User talk:12.74.221.43|talk]]) 04:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
:'''Support''': I might not be too familiar with the format; but after looking at the 2008 example verses 2023; I like the monthly format better. [[Special:Contributions/12.74.221.43|12.74.221.43]] ([[User talk:12.74.221.43|talk]]) 04:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Copyright of the famous 1997 "Dead Man Walking" image? == |
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{{Archive top|status=Closed|result=Image copyright discussions occur on the Commons, not Wikipedia. See comment at the very bottom of discussion for links to related Commons discussions. Duplicate discussion to [[Talk:1997 Prairie Dell-Jarrell tornado#Is the "Dead Man Walking" tornado photograph copyrighted?]]. Closing as valid, content discussion is turning into a more or less forum.}} |
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This may not go here, so if it isn't supposed to be here, I'm sorry. Does anyone know if the famous "Dead Man Walking" photograph of the 1997 Jarrell F5 tornado is copyrighted? I can't find anything on the matter, or if the man who took the photo (Scott Beckwith) worked for the NWS. If anyone knows anything or has any information relating to this, thanks! It is arguably the most famous photograph of a tornado ever taken, so if it isn't under a copyright I'd be more than happy to add it. Thanks so much! :D [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 17:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{re|MemeGod27}} Beckwith worked for a local company (Jarrell Farm Supply), not the NWS. <span style="background-color: black">[[User:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">Skarmory</span>]] [[User talk:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">(talk •</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">contribs)</span>]]</span> 07:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::Nevermind, the photo was on an NWS publication and hence PD. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 10:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod27]]: Publication of an otherwise protected work by the U.S. government does not put that work in the public domain. See [[Copyright status of works by the federal government of the United States]]. It is preparation of the work '''by an officer of employee of the United States Government as part of their official duties''' which releases a work under public domain. Unless you have some other proof that the image has been released under terms compatible with Commons, [[:File:Dead Man Walking Jarrell 1997.jpg]] and other files uploaded under this assumption must be deleted. <span style="background:#ffff55">'''''[[User:Chlod|Chlod]]'''''</span> <small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">([[User talk:Chlod|say hi!]])</small> 10:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::“By submitting images, you understand that your image is being released into the public domain. This means that your photo or video may be downloaded, copied, and used by others. |
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::::The NWS offers no compensation for any images or videos.” |
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::::-NWS, link can be found at https://www.weather.gov/fsd/disclaimer [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 10:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I didn’t add the template by the way [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 10:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Beck with gave the entire photo sequence to the NWS, and therefore it is PD. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 10:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::@[[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod27]]: The issue here stems not from the fact that the image was not published in a NWS document, as far as the info you've provided tells. The "submission" disclaimer only has historical internet archives going as far back as 2022, and the text of this disclaimer cannot be found in the PDF you linked to in the file description (which doesn't even include the picture). One would have to assume (again) that such a disclaimer existed all the way back to 1997, and that the sender had been aware of those terms if the had existed, considering the publication only states: {{tquote|Any such items received by the editor will be for use in STORMDATA only. Any other use will be with the permission of the owner of said items. Materials submitted will be returned if requested in the original submission.}}, which is ''not good enough'' as a license release (both because it never states that all submitted images become part of the public domain and because Beckwith could have specifically withheld the "Dead Man Walking" photo from submission, especially considering its rarity). If it had not been published in an NWS publication and its copyright status is derived entirely from the assumption that photos in that sequence are PD, one cannot meaningfully assert that it is, in fact, public domain. It seems the earliest known trace of this photo is within a [https://time.com/vault/issue/1997-06-09/page/37/ Time magazine article], which, is definitely not the NWS nor does it mention that the images were provided by the NWS with permission from Beckwith. |
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:::::As Commons has a [[c:COM:PCP|precautionary principle]], the burden of proof is on you to prove that this image was, in fact, ''explicitly'' released by Scott Beckwith to the public domain or with a Commons-compatible copyright license. Without such proof, this and other files uploaded under this assumption must be deleted. <span style="background:#ffff55">'''''[[User:Chlod|Chlod]]'''''</span> <small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">([[User talk:Chlod|say hi!]])</small> 11:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::That does make sense when referring to the Dead Man Walking photograph, and I now support the with-holding of that SPECIFIC image until a viable reason for undeletion is found. |
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::::::The other images, however, should not be deleted, as they are or have been: |
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::::::A. Made or produced by Tim Marshall, who in fact does damage surveys for the NWS. These surveys are public domain, and have been since they begun. While I cannot find a copyright/disclaimer for that time period on these, Marshall worked in part with the NWS. |
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::::::B. Other images I uploaded have been used more recently, such as [[:File:Jarrell tornado rope Curtis.jpg]], [[:File:Jarrell tornado as it hit F5.jpg]], [[:File:Jarrell tornado ground scouring.jpg]] among others, which have been released AFTER the copyrights were established (assuming they weren't established earlier, which would then constitute the "Dead Man Walking" photo). [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 11:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::I didn't dig into the other photos, but it's worth noting two other things: |
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:::::::# Government publications may include works copyrighted by a contractor or grantee, which may not be under public domain. I have no knowledge of whether Tim Marshall actually worked for the NWS, but assuming that the damage surveys were contracted, these images would have to be (again) published by the NWS to count as PD. |
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:::::::# I meant that any other image uploaded which had not been published by the NWS but were marked as so, purely hinging on assumption (like the Dead Man Walking image) should be deleted. |
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:::::::<span style="background:#ffff55">'''''[[User:Chlod|Chlod]]'''''</span> <small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">([[User talk:Chlod|say hi!]])</small> 12:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::Yes. I can confirm, with reliable sources, that every other image was taken from an NWS publication. Also, I did see the edit summary, thank you for assuming good faith here. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 12:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Also, there is one other image that was found within the STORMDATA publication, I am actively working on it and will nominate it for deletion if needed. Again, the "Dead Man Walking" image was in good faith, and as I have stated, I was unaware of pre-2000 copyright laws regarding NWS and STORMDATA. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 13:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::See File:Dead_man_walking_Jarrell.jpg which WAS in the STORMDATA publication. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 13:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::If it's in the publication, it should be fine. Those can be assumed to be PD. <span style="background:#ffff55">'''''[[User:Chlod|Chlod]]'''''</span> <small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">([[User talk:Chlod|say hi!]])</small> 13:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Ah, okay. Thanks! :) [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 13:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I may take that back. What about [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/403| this], which was put into effect in 1988? It mentions it on the recent disclaimer page. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 11:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::The law states that: |
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:::::::"Sections 401(d) and 402(d) shall not apply to a work published in copies or phonorecords consisting predominantly of one or more works of the United States Government unless the notice of copyright appearing on the published copies or phonorecords to which a defendant in the copyright infringement suit had access includes a statement identifying, either affirmatively or negatively, those portions of the copies or phonorecords embodying any work or works protected under this title." |
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:::::::Section 401(d) states that: |
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:::::::"If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant’s interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement." [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 11:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::These are not relevant to the issue at hand. <span style="background:#ffff55">'''''[[User:Chlod|Chlod]]'''''</span> <small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">([[User talk:Chlod|say hi!]])</small> 11:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Then why is it specifically mentioned in the disclaimer? I'm genuinely asking, I’m not mad or anything :) [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 12:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::The law is 17 U.S.C. § 403, if you were wondering. It specifically implies that Beckwith was informed of the image being put in the public domain, and this law has been in effect since 1988. The tornado happened in 1997. Other images of his or from that time period SHOULD be PD under this statute. Unless I’m reading something wrong, this is what I see. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 12:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I really can't see how 17 U.S.C. § 403, as cited here, is relevant. This does not imply Beckwith was informed of anything. It just says someone can't absolve themselves of infringement if they used a clearly-marked copyrighted work that was published alongside a US government publication. Again, the Dead Man Walking image was not part of the publication released by the NWS. It does not apply here. <span style="background:#ffff55">'''''[[User:Chlod|Chlod]]'''''</span> <small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">([[User talk:Chlod|say hi!]])</small> 12:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::That makes sense. After looking back over the law, I did realize that I had read wrong in terms of copyrights involving the photo. I am currently in '''support''' of deletion, and I will say that I was unaware of the copyright statutes pre-2000 involving the NWS and NOAA. I'm also glad we could have a civil argument about this without it spiraling out of control. You made some good points, and I completely agree with them. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 12:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::I think it should be deleted from commons but if it has a purpose somewhere on an article here; it may fit the non-free criteria. [[Special:Contributions/12.74.221.43|12.74.221.43]] ([[User talk:12.74.221.43|talk]]) 04:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::See [[WP:NOTFREE]] [[Special:Contributions/12.74.221.43|12.74.221.43]] ([[User talk:12.74.221.43|talk]]) 04:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::I’ll point out that the federal copyright law has no bearing on the official Commons policy. That policy is that if it’s copyrighted and the owner doesn’t want to release it under a license (or into the public domain), then it has NO business being on Commons. A copyvio can bring about a whole slew of legal problems. Including potentially a boat load of people who end up getting sued (or worse yet, the copyright holder could try to sue the Wikimedia Foundation). Not trying to scare anyone, just making a point about why Commons doesn’t host non-free content. [[Special:Contributions/12.74.221.43|12.74.221.43]] ([[User talk:12.74.221.43|talk]]) 15:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::I will see if I can try to get it listed under non-free criteria, it is vital to the article and is arguably the most famous piece of tornado media ever recorded. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 15:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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{{od}} @[[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod27]]: Unfortunately the image likely fails [[WP:NFCCP|NFCC]] 1 and 8. It does not significantly enhance the reader's ability to understand the tornado or its impact in a way that a free equivalent could not. [[User:Ks0stm|<span style='color:green;'>'''Ks0stm'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contribs/Ks0stm|C]]•[[:en:User:Ks0stm/G|G]]•[[:en:User:Ks0stm/E|E]])</sup> 15:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::{{re|MemeGod27}} A deletion of a commons image cant take place via a discussion on Wikipedia. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[BBA#BSBA|BSBA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 15:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::I know, a nomination was opened. [[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:MemeGod27|My talk page]], [[Special:Contribs/MemeGod27|my contributions]] and [[User:MemeGod27/Creations|my creations!]])</small> 15:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::I’d like to see the PDF that the image is supposedly on. Please. [[Special:Contributions/12.74.221.43|12.74.221.43]] ([[User talk:12.74.221.43|talk]]) 03:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*This is stupid at this point. English Wikipedia does not determine copyright stuff, the Commons does. If there is a problem with ''any'' image, open a discussion on the Commons. The direct image which started this discussion [[:File:Dead Man Walking Jarrell 1997.jpg]] is currently [[Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dead Man Walking Jarrell 1997.jpg|nominated for deletion]] on the Commons. The other image referenced by others and the one currently in use on the article, [[:File:Dead man walking Jarrell.jpg]] is, as far as I am aware, public domain due to being used, without a copyright watermark, on a .gov URL website. If you believe otherwise, nominate it for deletion on the Commons. I am closing this discussion as this has turned from a discussion about the content to more or less a forum with the same repeated question, which is already solved/answered (or will be answered within the week on the Commons). '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 05:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Citations needed == |
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Your WikiProject has been helpful in the past and I wonder if you would help again. These two sentences in [[Minneapolis#Climate]] need citations: {{tq|Minneapolis has cold, snowy winters and hot, humid summers, as is typical in a continental climate. The difference between average temperatures in the coldest winter month and the warmest summer month is 58.1 °F (32.3 °C).}} Thank you. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 23:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== PDS watches list? == |
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Why don’t we have a list of PDS tornado/severe thunderstorm watches article? The SPC doesn’t issue very many of them each year. We already have a list of tornado emergencies (which in some cases are issued more frequently than PDS watches). I’m sure the data prior to the mid-2000s might have a few holes in it but I think it would be doable. Any thoughts on that? [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3]] ([[User talk:2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|talk]]) 03:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:I like the idea, although I'm curious as to what others (especially those who contribute significantly) have to say. Also, would a list like this just include the watches, or would it also list impacts (number of tornadoes/ratings, max wind, max hail size)? [[User:Mathguy Michael|Mathguy Michael]] ([[User talk:Mathguy Michael|talk]]) 03:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::It could list whatever you want it to list. I was thinking the number of tornadoes, maximum rating, maximum (non-tornadic) wind gust (when applicable), max hail size (when applicable), probably the number of deaths/injuries. Of course the date the watch was issued. But it would also include the type of watch (as the SPC issues both tornado and severe thunderstorm watches with PDS wording, both types would be included under my proposal, but whether or not they are in the same article/list or two separate lists should be discussed) [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3]] ([[User talk:2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|talk]]) 04:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I would probably also think the watch number that the SPC assigns should also be mentioned somewhere. [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3]] ([[User talk:2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|talk]]) 04:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::And as a side note. The SPC archive of watches goes back to January 1, 2004. [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3]] ([[User talk:2601:5C5:4201:68B0:2868:6157:97AA:EFA3|talk]]) 17:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::This link aught to help. https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/nws/pds_watches.php [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:4201:68B0:B0CF:B19:B7BB:4811|2601:5C5:4201:68B0:B0CF:B19:B7BB:4811]] ([[User talk:2601:5C5:4201:68B0:B0CF:B19:B7BB:4811|talk]]) 21:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Still requesting comment on my proposal for a PDS watches list. [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:4380:FD80:5054:A7C6:AA2D:9AE2|2601:5C5:4380:FD80:5054:A7C6:AA2D:9AE2]] ([[User talk:2601:5C5:4380:FD80:5054:A7C6:AA2D:9AE2|talk]]) 19:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:I would support the idea of this. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1014:B1E6:AC7F:0:1D:A4D4:2801|2600:1014:B1E6:AC7F:0:1D:A4D4:2801]] ([[User talk:2600:1014:B1E6:AC7F:0:1D:A4D4:2801|talk]]) 23:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::I have it listed in articles for creation. I am still requesting someone to make a PDS Watch list because I imagine the articles for creation isn’t patrolled very well. [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C5:4380:FD80:6933:B1B3:3A25:1D1A|2601:5C5:4380:FD80:6933:B1B3:3A25:1D1A]] ([[User talk:2601:5C5:4380:FD80:6933:B1B3:3A25:1D1A|talk]]) 19:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Draft''' list started: [[Draft:List of particularly dangerous situation watches]]. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 15:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*:Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/12.74.221.43|12.74.221.43]] ([[User talk:12.74.221.43|talk]]) 19:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== VI Declined on [[:File:EF4DaltonMNtornadoJuly2020.png]] == |
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I'm just letting everyone know that [[:File:EF4DaltonMNtornadoJuly2020.png]], the famous photograph for the [[2020 Ashby–Dalton tornado]], was [[commons:Commons:Valued image candidates/EF4DaltonMNtornadoJuly2020.png|nominated for a Valued Image on the Commons]], but the nominate failed for two reasons: (1) Image is not geolocated and (2) not the '''best''' image to represent [[Tornadoes of 2020]]. With that said: |
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#Do we have any way to try to find the geolocation for the photograph? It was taken by Brad Nelson, so maybe someone could contact them to find out the geolocation of the photograph. |
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#I was given no reason whatsoever as to why this photograph doesn't represent [[Tornadoes of 2020]] the best, nor was any alternative out of [[Commons:Category:Tornadoes of 2020|the Commons - Category:Tornadoes of 2020]]. If we find the geolocation data, I would be willing to renominate the image and challenge the idea of it, in fact, being the best tornado-related image of [[Tornadoes of 2020]], especially considering the crop of actual tornado photographs we have available during the year ([[commons:Category:Pictures of tornadoes in 2020|Category:Pictures of tornadoes in 2020]]). |
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Thoughts? '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 05:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:How is a picture of a specific tornado that occurred in 2020 representive of the ŵhole tornado activity worldwide in 2020? Rather than a map of all known tornadoes that occurred worldwide in 2020?[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 10:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{reply|Jason Rees}} It doesn’t have to represent the images of tornadoes worldwide in 2020. Per [[commons:Commons:Valued images|Commons:Valued images]], “{{tq|Valued images are images which are considered especially valuable by the Commons community for use in online content within other Wikimedia projects. A valued image is considered to be '''the most valued illustration of its kind''' by the Commons community}}” (bolding not by me). The [[2007 Elie tornado]] photograph ([[:File:F5 tornado Elie Manitoba 2007.jpg]]) is a valued image for the scope of “tornadoes” (earned title in 2010). It doesn’t represent all tornadoes worldwide, but on the Commons for that category, it is the most valued image, or at least was considered the best in 2010. |
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::So, out of all the tornado-related images for 2020 that are free-to-use (i.e. [[Commons:Category:Tornadoes of 2020|the Commons - Category:Tornadoes of 2020]]), is it the most valued image and probably the best image there? If yes, then it, in theory, would be the valued image on the Commons and the best image (again free-to-use image) of a tornado-related photograph for [[Tornadoes of 2020]]. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 14:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Maybe its just me but when I read the [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Valued_image_criteria criteria] and point 3 in particular, I notice it states that "the subject (photo) must be appropriate for the chosen scope" which leads me to wonder how its more appropriate or valuable as the best image of Tornadoes of 2020 than a map of all known worldwide tornadoes in 2020. If we were talking about the best image of that specific Tornado, then I might be more inclined to agree with you but we arent.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 15:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== There is an ongoing discussion for six rare oddity cases on [[Tornadoes of 2020]] == |
== There is an ongoing discussion for six rare oddity cases on [[Tornadoes of 2020]] == |
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And if you're an editor from outside of the US, don't think I'm ignoring your efforts. Feel free to create [[List of Mexico tornadoes]] or wherever. I just imagine that there are a lot of US editors around here. We're at about the quarter-way mark for even having lists for every state. Think we can get it to the half-way mark by the end of the summer? Anyone interested in working on some lists? ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 00:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
And if you're an editor from outside of the US, don't think I'm ignoring your efforts. Feel free to create [[List of Mexico tornadoes]] or wherever. I just imagine that there are a lot of US editors around here. We're at about the quarter-way mark for even having lists for every state. Think we can get it to the half-way mark by the end of the summer? Anyone interested in working on some lists? ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 00:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:I shall help out! '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 00:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
:I shall help out! '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 00:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Awesome! Is there any state you had in mind? I can help set up a draft if you'd like. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 02:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:And now I understand why @[[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] left a me talk page message after I added one entry onto @[[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]]‘s deadly tornado list. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
:And now I understand why @[[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] left a me talk page message after I added one entry onto @[[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]]‘s deadly tornado list. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::I can certainly help out on that. But I am also working on other projects on here (such as a list of PDS watches); I do see that Kentucky is not on there (it was a KY tornado that I added to WeatherWriter’s list); if someone can start a draft on that. I might be able to fill in some details on that. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
::I can certainly help out on that. But I am also working on other projects on here (such as a list of PDS watches); I do see that Kentucky is not on there (it was a KY tornado that I added to WeatherWriter’s list); if someone can start a draft on that. I might be able to fill in some details on that. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I also think someone should draft a list of tornadoes in Puerto Rico, because tornadoes there are relatively rare. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
:::I also think someone should draft a list of tornadoes in Puerto Rico, because tornadoes there are relatively rare. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thought I’d pick an easy one since this state doesn’t get that many twisters: see [[Draft:List of West Virginia tornadoes]]. If someone can get the general format started. I can start editing this. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
::::Thought I’d pick an easy one since this state doesn’t get that many twisters: see [[Draft:List of West Virginia tornadoes]]. If someone can get the general format started. I can start editing this. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 19:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|WestVirginiaWX}} - I added a few elements to your draft. It looks like this year is already West Virginia's most active year ever! And yea, Kentucky and Puerto Rico should also eventually be added. The lengthy aspect is adding all of the events. And not even every tornado needs to be added for it to be a useful list. Even if it was just the significant and deadly events, plus climatology, that would be very useful. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 21:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::How extensive is this going to be? Ugh, this would have been so much easier back when we had the Tornado History Project. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 21:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
:::::How extensive is this going to be? Ugh, this would have been so much easier back when we had the Tornado History Project. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 21:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::No ugh needed :) It'll still be doable with NCDC, and Google. Each state is going to have their own resources, local NWS's, local researchers. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 21:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== New tentative proposal for tornado criteria == |
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Hey just letting folks know I left comment with a tentative proposal at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Tornadoes of YYYY criteria]] but it hasn't gotten any response yet. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 01:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== ANI discussion == |
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[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Editors_removing_formatted_citations_for_bare_URL_citations]], 30 comments, 8 people in discussion atm, has mentioned issues with [[WP:EL]] and [[MOS:CURRENT]] in the [[2024 Atlantic hurricane season]] article. For the interested. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== TfD for current storm templates == |
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Following the [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editors_removing_formatted_citations_for_bare_URL_citations|abovementioned ANI discussion]], [[:Template:Infobox weather event/Current]], [[:Template:Infobox weather event/live]], [[:Template:HurricaneWarningsTable]], [[:Template:IMDWarningsTable]], and [[:Template:TyphoonWarningsTable]] have been nominated for deletion, citing concerns with [[MOS:CURRENT]] and [[WP:NOTNEWS]]. Editors are invited to participate in the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 19#Tropical cyclone current storm templates]]. ~ [[User:KN2731|KN2731]] <small>{[[User talk:KN2731|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/KN2731|contribs]]}</small> 05:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Soliciting comments on the addition of yearly flood articles == |
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There have apparently been quite a few flood articles kinda falling through the cracks (such as the 2022 Eastern Kentucky flood only being included in a blanket “United States Flood” article, in part because of the century-scale lists of United States flood articles; and the [[List of floods|supposedly ”complete” notable flood lists]]. And I think a very plausible solution to this problem of incompleteness would be to start doing lists of floods by year (eg. “Floods of 2024”), similar to what is currently done with tornado and tropical cyclone lists, we could (as Hurricanehink suggested) also do regional scale lists (like “List of floods in the United States in 2024”). Any input on this would be appreciated. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 02:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I think floods and heat waves could have yearly articles, much like [[tropical cyclones in 2024]] or [[tornadoes of 2024]]. [[Draft:Floods of 2024]] should be created, and in my opinion, it should be organized regionally, perhaps by continent. Some continents have a monsoon season, so that should be noted wherever possible. Much like TC's or tornadoes, there should also be regional lists, like [[List of Bermuda tornadoes]] or [[Typhoons in the Korean Peninsula]], so we could have [[Floods in Kentucky]], and in theory every location around the world. The challenge will be getting people to write it, and making sure it is decently cited, so it doesn't become out of date without any referencing, which is the worst type of article. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 05:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::I have always wondered about an article talking about the impacts of the monsoon on India etc each year, since it serves an important part of the world's meteorology.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 17:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::The monsoon is a great example of how we might need to adjust our approach. So thankfully we have an article for [[Floods in India]], which serves as a national overview, and should mention climatology and particularly devastating events. There could also be yearly flood articles for there too - we have ones like [[2019 Indian floods]] that already practically serve this purpose. Ditto [[2024 India-Bangladesh floods]], but, as that article title points out, the monsoon isn't only going to affect India. That lends credence to the need for yearly flood articles like [[Floods of 2024]], which should hopefully be organized by continent to mention events that go across national borders. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 19:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Re: Regional articles, @[[User:Shortiefourten|Shortiefourten]] has been creating a very excellent and well referenced [[Flood history in Chehalis, Washington]]. Chehalis is prone to frequent flooding so their work provides local context for events that have articles that are regional summaries (like the [[1996 Pacific Northwest floods]]). <templatestyles src="Template:Color/styles.css" /><span class="tmp-color" style="color:#006400">'''[[User:DJ Cane|DJ Cane]]''' <sub>''(he/him)''</sub></span> ([[User talk:DJ Cane|Talk]]) 03:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I think for now, we should stick to yearly articles on a global and/or continental scale; but I’m open to more regional or even local scale articles (such as by state or locality) in the future, once the global articles are finished. And I think the whole Chehalis, Washington bit is great (even though I have absolutely no idea about the flood history of that town, didn’t even know the town existed until you replied here.) If I had to make suggestions in that regard, we can start thinking of other cities that are majorly prone to flooding. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 03:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I don’t think we need to have an organized push for local/regional flood summary articles, I just shared that here to show there is precedent for high quality articles of that type in case anyone is interested in doing one themselves. <templatestyles src="Template:Color/styles.css" /><span class="tmp-color" style="color:#006400">'''[[User:DJ Cane|DJ Cane]]''' <sub>''(he/him)''</sub></span> ([[User talk:DJ Cane|Talk]]) 03:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Agreed, I think the problem is that broader articles are more difficult to write from scratch, especially after the fact. Floods are also very common, and not every single event is noteworthy, and nor would a collection of events automatically make for a good article/list. So there should be a [[Floods of 2022]], which would mention the Eastern Kentucky floods, but because there would be a broader article for the info to go to, the original Kentucky information could be more focused on the most significant floods. I don't think anyone wants information to be deleted, so it's more a matter of where it should go. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 17:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Exactly [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 17:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes -- Full Discussion Page == |
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Recently, there has been several discussions regarding the list of possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes over on the [[list of F5 and EF5 tornadoes]] article. I have now started/begin a large sub-page of the WikiProject specifically designed to solve all the problems and concerns with the list. It involves community consensus and discussions. |
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'''Discussions Page''': [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes]]. I recommend bookmarking the page in some fashion. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''NOTE''': This type of discussion method was attempted two years ago, but failed to gain much attention. To help mitigate debates on the article and as a WikiProject, I hope several editors feel willing to participate in the several dozen discussions that will occur on this discussion page. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== The [[Tornado outbreak sequence of May 19–27, 2024]] has been Nominated for Deletion == |
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The [[Tornado outbreak sequence of May 19–27, 2024]], an article pretaining to this WikiProject has been nominated for deletion. You can participate in the deletion discussion [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tornado outbreak sequence of May 19–27, 2024|here]]. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 03:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
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I would like to announce that a new task force has been created to re-examine the status of every GA in the project. Many good articles have not been reviewed in quite a while (15+ years for some) and notability requirements have changed quite a bit over the years. The goal of this task force is to save as many articles as possible. Anyone not reviewing an article may jump in to help get it up to par if it does not meet the GA requirements. The process will start officially on February 1 and will continue until every article has been checked and either kept or delisted. The task force may be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather/2024–25 Good Article Reassessment. Noah, AATalk 15:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The service webcitation.org is used frequently in weather articles particularly tropical typhoons and cyclones.
We believe it will go completely dark at some point in the future: All webcitation.org URLs should be assumed to no longer work in the future.
WebCite went completely offline for a year and half. Then it was restored, but in shaky condition.
Bots can not help for technical reasons. It will require manual intervention. After WebCite disappears, the citations will no longer be accessible, and there is a possibility the entire citation and the material that cites it could be deleted per WP:V. This situation could be devastating for all of these articles due to the scale of WebCite usage.
There is no immediate need to panic because we have no information of an imminent WebCite failure. However, preparations for failure should begin now before it is too late.
Please note that attempting to save WebCite links at Archive.org might give the appearance of working, but actually does not work, there is in insidious technical snare built into WebCite to prevent the Wayback Machine from saving their links (correctly). It is recommended to use archive.today if you choose. Even better is find the original link and find an archive for it at Wayback or Today. -- GreenC 17:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GreenC: Thanks for rescuing the sources and please forgive me for not responding more quickly, but it's been a busy few weeks. Anyway, some of the sources that the Wikiproject Weather have used over the years will have been superseded by various reports, which is why I want to get a list together and see what we can do to improve the articles and remove the webcite links where needed.Jason Rees (talk) 20:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recently, from the two discussions (one a few sections above this one and the other on Talk:Tornadoes of 2024), I have a proposal for the new layout, taking in feedback from those involved in those two discussions.
The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 11:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Moved from above for RFC tag. Ignore.) — Since there is two discussions (on two separate talk pages) regarding this topic at the same time, I wanted to make this discussion and ping all users involved: (courtesy pings: @ChessEric:, United States Man, HamiltonthesixXmusic, TornadoInformation12, DJ Cane, Hurricanehink). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 11:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Moved from above for RFC tag.) — Based on the feedback, two things were clear: The old layout (By Month) is definitely the preferred layout to most editors. However, the reasoning for the layout change to begin with involved fighting U.S.-centeredness in articles, that is where point 2 and 3 come in. In pre-2023 layouts (before any changes), U.S. monthly totals were mentioned as the opening to each month, however, no other countries were mentioned. Also, "(United States)} was never used in pre-2023 layouts as well. To me, this proposal for a layout seems to solve issues brought up in past discussions, while also being the layout the majority of the community wants. Thoughts? Supports? Opposes? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TornadoInformation12 (talk) 12:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)TornadoInformation12[reply]
There were 189 tornadoes reported in the United States in the month of April, all of which were confirmed.Basically, the second part of the third point is to keep those, but expand them to include other countries. Hopefully that makes a little more sense as to what the third point is. Since you were one of the main editors on board for less-U.S. centerness, I am thinking you just misread it, since the third point is an actual “less-U.S. centric” point. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
clunkyand difficult-to-navigate nature of the current format that have been brought up over the past few months – can someone enlighten me as to what the particular issues here are? —TheAustinMan(Talk ⬩ Edits) 16:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
gaps in the structure and informationin the current format? Consider Tornadoes of 2023 compared to Tornadoes of 2010, for instance; I'm not seeing much of a substantive difference in structural or informational gaps. In fact I would think the current format is better for leaving open the possibility of discussing environmental factors, trends, patterns, and other statistical information, since those are more likely to be geographically rather than temporally organized. —TheAustinMan(Talk ⬩ Edits) 13:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pertinent to this discussion is the Wikipedia policy for Consensus neither requires unanimity (which is ideal but rarely achievable), nor is it the result of a vote. Further, just to add a bit to this discussion, I already said tornadoes should be organized by continent, but I want to go further, that tornadoes should be organized at the local level, such as country, or even more local in the case of U.S. states, and likely Mexican/Indian/Australian states, Chinese provinces, etc. I believe if all of the articles were created, then users would get used to such a format. Major outbreaks usually get their own articles anyway. This would prevent having to list every single outbreak by month, or even every tornado, in the parent Tornadoes of YYYY list. They would all be mentioned in their regional articles. It would take a long time, but I think that is where the project is heading inevitably. I believe that provides a solution for how to organize the information, which seems to be the main concern. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HamiltonthesixXmusic: Read the link that @Hurricanehink: provided to you as you will find that the consensus is based on the quality of an argument rather than whether it represents a minority or a majority view.Jason Rees (talk) 12:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I am one of the dissenters to the proposal, I want to find a solution to the valid concerns from various editors, seeing as the above discussion seems to have died down without a consensus. Some of the main points of discussion seem to be wanting United States monthly totals. I still don't see anything wrong with that personally, just that I'd rather see that a yearly level listed as a table, and maybe even a breakdown by each category. In the interest of fairness around the world, we have the same tables for each country, where we have the total. It seems that the information organization is the main concern, and I want to acknowledge that without doing a complete reversal to listing all events by month. By keeping it in the format where it is organized by continent, we still have the geographic consistency, while still making sure the article isn't clunky. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
died down without a consensus." The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm striking the proposal. I don't want to hold this up and push my views any further on this matter. There's more important fish to fry. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an ongoing disagreement between editors on whether six different tornadic events warrant inclusion on Tornadoes of 2020 under the rare oddity clause of WP:TornadoCriteria. You can participate in the discussion here: Talk:Tornadoes of 2020#WP:TornadoCriteria Rare Oddity Cases. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak#Requested move 23 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 11:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an article on tradition and folk methods of weather prediction? Folk methods of rheumatoid pain, groundhogs, pyromancy, geomancy, astrology, etc. covered in general. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This shows the template that links all of the lists of tornadoes in North America, including Hawaii for convenience (even though it's technically Oceania). There's a lot of states (and one territory) with articles, 14 in total, so at some point I imagine the rest will be created. It's just a matter of when. This is where YOU come into the picture.
I will gladly help set up the articles, if anyone asks me for help, but I know that it takes a lot of time to set it up, having worked on California and New Jersey lists. Are there any of you out there possibly interested in writing one of the state lists that don't exist yet? Since we already have Connecticut and Rhode Island, I imagine Massachusetts would be easy to split off from Tornadoes in New England.
And if you're an editor from outside of the US, don't think I'm ignoring your efforts. Feel free to create List of Mexico tornadoes or wherever. I just imagine that there are a lot of US editors around here. We're at about the quarter-way mark for even having lists for every state. Think we can get it to the half-way mark by the end of the summer? Anyone interested in working on some lists? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey just letting folks know I left comment with a tentative proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Tornadoes of YYYY criteria but it hasn't gotten any response yet. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editors_removing_formatted_citations_for_bare_URL_citations, 30 comments, 8 people in discussion atm, has mentioned issues with WP:EL and MOS:CURRENT in the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season article. For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Following the abovementioned ANI discussion, Template:Infobox weather event/Current, Template:Infobox weather event/live, Template:HurricaneWarningsTable, Template:IMDWarningsTable, and Template:TyphoonWarningsTable have been nominated for deletion, citing concerns with MOS:CURRENT and WP:NOTNEWS. Editors are invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 19#Tropical cyclone current storm templates. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 05:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There have apparently been quite a few flood articles kinda falling through the cracks (such as the 2022 Eastern Kentucky flood only being included in a blanket “United States Flood” article, in part because of the century-scale lists of United States flood articles; and the supposedly ”complete” notable flood lists. And I think a very plausible solution to this problem of incompleteness would be to start doing lists of floods by year (eg. “Floods of 2024”), similar to what is currently done with tornado and tropical cyclone lists, we could (as Hurricanehink suggested) also do regional scale lists (like “List of floods in the United States in 2024”). Any input on this would be appreciated. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 02:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recently, there has been several discussions regarding the list of possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes over on the list of F5 and EF5 tornadoes article. I have now started/begin a large sub-page of the WikiProject specifically designed to solve all the problems and concerns with the list. It involves community consensus and discussions.
Discussions Page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes. I recommend bookmarking the page in some fashion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Tornado outbreak sequence of May 19–27, 2024, an article pretaining to this WikiProject has been nominated for deletion. You can participate in the deletion discussion here. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]