Jump to content
 







Main menu
   


Navigation  



Main page
Contents
Current events
Random article
About Wikipedia
Contact us
Donate
 




Contribute  



Help
Learn to edit
Community portal
Recent changes
Upload file
 








Search  

































Create account

Log in
 









Create account
 Log in
 




Pages for logged out editors learn more  



Contributions
Talk
 



















Contents

   



(Top)
 


1 Voiced stops  
2 comments  













Help talk:IPA/Estonian




Page contents not supported in other languages.  









Help page
Talk
 

















Read
Edit
Add topic
View history
 








Tools
   


Actions  



Read
Edit
Add topic
View history
 




General  



What links here
Related changes
Upload file
Special pages
Permanent link
Page information
Get shortened URL
Download QR code
 




Print/export  



Download as PDF
Printable version
 
















Appearance
   

 






From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

< Help talk:IPA

WikiProject iconWikipedia Help NA‑class
WikiProject iconThis page is within the scope of the Wikipedia Help Project, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's help documentation for readers and contributors. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. To browse help related resources see the Help MenuorHelp Directory. Or ask for help on your talk page and a volunteer will visit you there.
NAThis page does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.
WikiProject iconLinguistics: Phonetics NA‑class
WikiProject icon This page is within the scope of WikiProject Linguistics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of linguistics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
NAThis page does not require a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Taskforce icon
This page is supported by Phonetics Task Force.
WikiProject iconEstonia NA‑class
WikiProject icon Help:IPA/Estonian is part of WikiProject Estonia, a project to maintain and expand Estonia-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
NAThis page does not require a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
To-do list:
  • history
  • watch
  • purge

  • Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

    Voiced stops[edit]

    I am not an expert in phonetics, so I'm leaving a note rather than editing. Concerning the footnote:

          > [b], [f], [ɡ], and [ʃ] occur only in loanwords. In casual speech, they may be replaced with [p], [k], and [s], respectively.
    

    I don't think that is quite correct. First of all, voiced stops ([b], [g], [d]) do not exist in Estonian, these are always replaced by the respective voiceless stops, even in loanwords. Not doing so means a foreign accent. Secondly, the sounds that can only occur in loanwords are f [f], š [ʃ], and ž [ʐ]. In casual but correct speech, I think the only thing that gets replaced is ʐ --> ʃ, so instead of žonglöör, most people would say šonglöör. [f] may become either [v] or [hv] -- so one might say "vilosoohvia" instead of "filosoofia", but that sounds uneducated. Finally, one may say [s] instead of [ʃ], at the risk of sounding like Eliza Dolittle ("sokulaat" instead of "šokolaad"). [ʔ] is not used in standard Estonian, but does exist in Southern Estonian (Võro/Seto). Lebatsnok (talk) 08:38, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't speak Estonian, but I thought the same thing about [f], seeing how Koffer is rendered as Kohver. Also, even if [p] were a more usual equivalent, the current mapping (4 phonemes on 3 phonemes) is unclear to people with no background in linguistics (may be replaced with [p], [p], [k], and [s], respectively would do better). 89.64.80.178 (talk) 17:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:IPA/Estonian&oldid=1126095508"

    Categories: 
    NA-Class Help articles
    NA-importance Help articles
    Wikipedia Help Project pages
    NA-Class Linguistics articles
    NA-importance Linguistics articles
    NA-Class phonetics articles
    NA-importance phonetics articles
    Phonetics Task Force articles
    WikiProject Linguistics articles
    NA-Class Estonia articles
    NA-importance Estonia articles
    WikiProject Estonia articles
    Hidden category: 
    WikiProject banners without banner shells
     



    This page was last edited on 7 December 2022, at 13:57 (UTC).

    Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 4.0; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organization.



    Privacy policy

    About Wikipedia

    Disclaimers

    Contact Wikipedia

    Code of Conduct

    Developers

    Statistics

    Cookie statement

    Mobile view



    Wikimedia Foundation
    Powered by MediaWiki