This redirect is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This redirect is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath articles
This redirect is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles
This redirect is within the scope of WikiProject Years, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Years on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.YearsWikipedia:WikiProject YearsTemplate:WikiProject YearsYears articles
This redirect is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory articles
Q: There are many "rules" associated with this page. Why?
A: Recent deaths is one of the most-viewed articles in Wikipedia. Deaths in 2022 was one of the most-read Wikipedia articles in 2022, with over 46 million views.[1] It is important that such a high-profile article have factual information presented in a consistent format.
Q: Why are there redlinksorredirects (deceased subject with no Wikipedia article) listed in the article?
A: Many notable people die before a Wikipedia article is written about them. The regular editors of this page have agreed that a death notice without an English-language article may remain for one month after the death, so that an article may develop. If there is no article after one month, then the death notice is removed from the list.
Q: Why is each death sourced by a simple citation only?
A: Each month, over 1000 deaths are reported. If the "cite news" template were used in each entry, the page would be slower to load as each instance of the template is rendered. Editors have decided by consensus to use a simpler cite in the form <ref>[url, title]</ref>.
Q: Why are dead animals sometimes listed in the article?
A: Many animals (like Lonesome George) achieve notability similar to humans during their life. This article reports the death of any notable biological life with its own article, not just humans.
Q: I saw on social media that a notable person has just died. May I add this death to the list?
A: Material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced is removed immediately and without waiting for discussion (WP:BLP). Blogs and social media sites are generally considered to be unreliable. Every death listed must be supported by a reference from a reliable, independent source.
Q: A new month started five days ago. Why are deaths in the old month still appearing here?
A: It takes some time for deaths to be reported in the media and published here. Editors have agreed to keep the old month listed in the article for seven days after the new month begins. After that time, the "old" deaths are transferred to the article Deaths in <old month name>.
Q: Why is there sometimes a date without entries at the top of the page?
I've added a few hundred missing deaths over the past month. There are a few for whom I couldn't find a non-social media source. Perhaps somebody else here might have better luck? (feel free to edit below if a source is found or add to the list if it's helpful) Star Garnet (talk) 06:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC) Updated July 5. Star Garnet (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC) And August 5. Star Garnet (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content
unk.: Eric Hochberg, 81–82, American marine biologist.
May 22: Lyn Coleman, 58, Australian athlete, swimmer, and boccia player, Paralympic silver medallist (1984). According to this Facebook entry she died on 23 April. Another reason we cannot trust Facebook.
Who would think to look back to May for a recently reported death. So I would suggest a subpage or page for notable deaths that are not reported till 2 weeks or more later. I would say keep the death up for 2 weeks then it can be deleted. 2603:7000:BE00:4C1:89C7:4BB7:9469:78BC (talk) 15:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why would we put in a name that passed away months earlier just because someone might’ve first heard about the death months later? It’s really not a big leap to go “oh she died in May, I’ll go look at her entry in Deaths in May 2023”. A whole subsection for “delayed” deaths is worthless. Rusted AutoParts15:46, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a news update facility and never has been. If you add months to your watchlist you'll find out soon enough, or even research back manually like I and many others do. Ref(chew)(do)16:18, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean add months to your watchlist? Also I do disagree to a point with your first line. While not a news update facility it is the internet living encyclopedia. So if you have a topic such as Deaths In 2023 that is updated multiple times a day it becomes a major reference point. Being a major reference point that is updated why would we not update just reported deaths that happened a time ago? Would it really be much work to do a subpage of Late reported deaths? Even more so leaving a link to the persons page up for only 2 weeks? Its not rebulding the whole wikipedia website. For those with the talent I bet they could create the page in less than 5 minutes. Then only the oddly late reported death here & there would even be on the page so very little upkeep. How can you research back manually on something you dont know about? If I didnt go on that other website I would not have known Sharon died. Are you saying there is a tool on wiki that informs people of random deaths? I dont understand the resistance to a simple page? 2603:7000:BE00:4C1:89C7:4BB7:9469:78BC (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
”Would it really be much work to do a subpage of Late reported deaths?”. There is literally a “Previous Months” subsection at the bottom of the page to guide readers to other months, what are you talking about? Rusted AutoParts19:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are comparing apples to oranges. I am talking about deaths that are just being reported about months later. You are saying just look up previous months deaths. But I am talking about situations such as Sharon Farrell where the person may have died in May but the news was not released till August. 2603:7000:BE00:4C1:89C7:4BB7:9469:78BC (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not comparing anything, I'm highlighting an objective fact. You're asking for a needless page for people who weren't revealed to have died until a period of time later. It's not that highlightable a thing to make an entire Wikipedia article for, nor would it be needing a category. Rusted AutoParts20:37, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Surely you know what a watchlist is? Every registered editor has one. In a computer browser the link can be found at the top, third from the right. Ref(chew)(do)20:46, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
“oh she died in May, I’ll go look at her entry in Deaths in May 2023”. Unless you found out how would you know she died? That is the whole point. I dont want to look up the person, I want the news of who died. So a subsection is not worthless if the death was not known about. 2603:7000:BE00:4C1:89C7:4BB7:9469:78BC (talk) 18:47, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The three ways you’d find her having died is: through the news, which clearly state she died May 15; her Wiki page, which states based off the news she died May 15; or or someone telling you she died, which will prompt your to do one of the previous options. It’s not difficult so yes, this proposed section is completely worthless. Just view her entry on Deaths in May 2023. Rusted AutoParts19:03, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But the news of her May death was not released till August. Her wiki page NOW says she died in May. Only because the news was released in August. It did not say in June she died in May. I do not get the backlash against a page for late reported deaths. Would a page like that affect you directly? 2603:7000:BE00:4C1:89C7:4BB7:9469:78BC (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is zero reason to create another deaths page for people “late reported”, that is really silly. It doesn’t have to directly affect me to declare this. There’s zero point. Rusted AutoParts20:29, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pronouncing the two notable occupants as dead (if they were actually IN the aircraft) is not a truthful statement within the entry added recently, as at this post's timestamp, and relies on massive assumptions. Both of the notables' own articles state "presumed dead", and the event article itself states that there are "unconfirmed reports" that the two were on the transport at all. This is a clear case of jumping the gun for this list of what are supposed to be reliably sourced deaths. If you can't accept my recent change to the lead-in used in the Deaths in 2023 list, then the whole entry should be removed until deaths ARE confirmed - unequivocably and reliably so. Ref(chew)(do)19:24, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is frankly ridiculous that the deaths of Prighozhin and Utkin are being left off this page - every single respectabele media outlet is reporting on it, Prighozhin's own Wagner-group is confirming it, public gestures of mourning in Russia have been reported, world leaders are commenting on it, the Russian air travel authorities are reporting that the two were on the passenger list and there is absolutely no evidence to give the slightest creedence to assumptions they weren't on board. Leaving this out is just plain silly, and goes against common sense and sensible application of Wikipedia guidelines. This kind of thing is harming Wikipedia. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 08:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Entries here are based on absolutely certain facts supported by reliable sources. Currently (see my timestamp), although the esteemed BBC seem certain that the notables have died, other respected outlets are waiting to see. As should we. Ref(chew)(do)08:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And that is exactly what I mean by abusing or misapplying Wikipedia policies. There is no reasonable doubt. There are confirmations from the aviation authorities and from the Wagner group itself. These are good enough for gold-standard news media, including the BBC as you mention. Wiki guidelines are now misapplied to keep this out - and why? There is no good reason. It's just another example of the decentralized bureaucracy that has formed and is seriously harming Wikipedia - the way guidelines are bent and selectively applied for the apparent sake of bureaucracy itself. Disturbing. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, let's look at this in the abstract: a plane crash has been confirmed. The fact that 10 dead have been recovered and that the authorities state there are no survivors has been confirmed. The passenger and crew list has been released by aviation authorities, and it contains 10 names. The organization Prighozhin led confirms his death. All of this is reported by numerous sources considered undoubtedly reliable by Wikipedia. There is no way this would be considered insufficient sourcing for reporting the death of anyone else. The only argument not to list Prighozhin and Utkin is that the Russian *government* has not given confirmation. Even though there is no reason to assume they ever will/would explicitly do so. This is Kafka-level bizarre. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 08:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the IP. The deaths were sourced here by a reputable news agency. If any agency is mistaken and said entries are found to be alive (no information has yet to contradict it), then we can take it out. We're going on 48 hours after the fact. I understand other agencies are waiting to see, mainly because the "assassination" speculation, but, again, that's not what this page is about. Also, the BBC link above and I used on the page constantly updates. Ten people are still dead, including these two. Wyliepedia @ 08:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This whole argument against publishing the notable victims of the plane crash is bordering on conspiracy theory. What real evidence is there that the victims are not as claimed by the large majority of international major media? And even if such survivor theories turn out to be true, all of us will be surprised to some extent and that is the proper time to remove them from this list of notable deaths. Wholeflaffer (talk) 19:20, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
NYT clearly says his death is unconfirmed. Official confirmation may be quite far away and of course we are not a news agency, so no need to jump the gun. --Folengo (talk) 09:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources around the world, and Putin himself, have acknowledged the deaths. We follow reliable sources; we are not bound to The New York Times. I don't mind "presumed dead" in the stem of the listing if that softens the statement. WWGB (talk) 10:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it seems strange to use "presumed dead" in their article but list them as confirmed deaths here. Has that ever been done before? We need to make up our minds. Are they dead or not? Personally I don't care which as long as we are consequent here and on their articles. DrKilleMoff (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered=or|ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.
Could you please add British veteran actress Matyelok Gibbs who passed away on August 14? She was 91 years old. She had roles in both "Harry Potter" and "Midsomer Murders". She does not have her own Wikipedia article. [4]194.69.14.132 (talk) 07:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Abot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil.
Oppose, in the first instance simply because anyone visiting the page will already be aware that it will probably be a list, of notable dead people, and that it is an unnecessary elongation of a succinct title. In addition to that perhaps flimsy rationale, it follows that the many years/months of archived lists would need to be renamed in line with this change i.e. Deaths in July 2023toList of deaths in July 2023, and so on. Ref(chew)(do)17:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the consistency argument is reasonable- in the event of this RM supporting a move, I would also propose moving all of those other list of deaths articles. Chessrat(talk, contributions) 18:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I used to click on "List of Deaths in 2023" (for example), only to find it was a list of wikilinks to people who had died in specific months of a given year, followed by the "Deaths in (year in question)" wikilink. If this wikilink were a more faithful representation of what it is supposed to be, it would supply us with the information that Deaths in 2023 (for example) currently supplies. YTKJ (talk) 20:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Why create more unnecessary work to change every prior Deaths in (year)? As it's been said before, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Erasmussen (talk) 23:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done Rusted AutoParts 07:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
