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Talk:1025 rally to safeguard Taiwan

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Proposed merge in of 1025 demonstration

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See this discussion on about merging in that article to here. Mfield (talk) 17:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is now merged. Benjwong (talk) 19:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a procedure for moving a page when it might be controversial. If you wish to move this page, please follow the procedure. The reason (the official slogan and ideology did not oppose "China" per se) given for the move was unsatisfactory in my opinion. Consider, for example, the parade routes. 2 of five name "China" explicitly and two others leave no doubt that China is the intended target. Only one could be reasonably be interpreted as not being directed at China or Chinese leaders.Readin (talk) 23:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's your interpretation. Show me one part of the demonstration literature that used the words "anti-China" and I'll be quiet. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 07:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Few of the sources I could find provided a name for the protests. Those that did provide a name such as Anti-China protests in Taiwan, Taiwan: Anti-China Protest and Taiwanese protest police 'abuse' during anti-China demos, called them "anti-China". Other articles simply described the protests with phrases like "against Ma", "Against China", "Protest Talks With China", against Taiwan President Ma Ying-jeou and is weak position towards China. Adding "Anti-Ma" to the title might seem to make sense as he was also a target of the demonstrators, but none of the sources used that name. "October 25, 2008 protest in Taiwan" is more of a description than a name, and even as a description it fails by being too vague. Readin (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. "protest in Taiwan" is too vague? You prefer a title that's inaccurate, but "precise"?

Let's examine the sources.

1. http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12516486: "anti-China protests" is used in the title of the webpage. However, it is never mentioned in the article itself, and the column headline is in fact, "Angry with the president—and China". Furthermore, the article opens by referring to the whole series of protests staged by the opposition over the recent period. It is ambiguous whether the webpage title refers to that whole series of protests, or the Oct 25 protest in particular. The article does not clarify. The score: "anti-China protests" is used somewhere, but may or may not refer to these protests specifically. Half a point.

2. http://www.unpo.org/content/view/8825/236/ This article is from UNPO, at best represents one extreme POV, at worst is unreliable. I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot long pole.

3. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hftYFN_94b_51VbWGgw5HNngQI1Q This is an AFP article, and does say "anti-China demos". The problem, however, is that the article refers to police action during the "anti-China demos" that occurred last month. The article was published Dec 7. "Last month", unless I'm mistaken with my month ordering, would refer to protests in November, not October. It's a possibility that the journalist intended to refer to the October protests as well, but at best, half a point.

4. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/world/asia/26taiwan.html?_r=1&fta=y Now we come to a reliable, respectable media source. I don't see "anti-China" anywhere.

5. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-123772 Have not come across this source (ireport) before, not sure of its credibility or reliability. However, I don't see "anti-China" mentioned anywhere.

Scorecard so-far: four reliable sources, two of which mention "anti-China" but in doing so may or may not refer to the October 25 protests.

(To be continued, please bear with me) --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 21:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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