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In the section 'April 29: Columbus City Council testimonies,' the following are the corresponding timestamps in the video with the testimonies. Please get them added to the citations for that section.
@CNC, thank you for your help getting my changes added yesterday—I really appreciate it.
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In the section 'April 29: Columbus City Council testimonies,' I believe the second student's testimony would be enhanced by including additional information. Beginning at 41:02, her speech is as follows:
I have transcribed it for you so that it is easier for you to include whatever parts of it you feel are conducive to the article (or at least paraphrase her main points with brief excerpts from her speech). Please make syntactic edits and use your discretion in what to include as needed. Upon request, I can rewrite the paragraph myself using this speech to save other editors time.
- "Thanks to the officers on April 25th, I'm having a little trouble reading and writing and remembering things. My processing speed is about half, I have a severe concussion, so please bear with me today. You see when the officers saw me about four rows back and pointed me out about four community members stepped in front of me to stop my arrest. That is when they proceeded to pick me up by both my hair and my neck and slam my head into the ground and hold me there before dragging me through the grass of my oval. Not to mention at one point three officers picked me up by my ankles and wrists as an officer explained to trainee officers what a 'three-man hold' was. I am glad somebody learned something on campus today, because it certainly wasn't the sixteen students brutally assaulted emotionally and physically by officers—the same officers that you are unbelievably considering raising the budget for today. When we arrived at the jail, there were three hijabi women amongst us—two of which their hijabs were forcefully removed; one of which her hijab wasn't returned until I made a scene. And all of which were forced to take mugshots without their hijabs. They had twenty women in a holding cell which meant there was no place to pray. When I asked for something to pray on—once at 3:00, and the second time at 5:00—I was refused and instead berated and called disrespectful by an officer for repeating myself. We were refused both hilal and kosher meals, which didn't end up being a problem for us but was for our Jewish comrade who was ironically celebrating passover. The first day I came in here in October, I said we had been living in a dystopia, and honestly, I think I disagree with myself today. We haven't been living in a dystopia for the last week or even the last seven months; instead we have been living in a simulation, the Sparksnotes version if you will, a select taste of what life is like in Palestine, which should come as no surprise honestly because our cops are trained by the IOF and Israeli Leadership Academy [which] regularly visits the Columbus Police Academy. CPD has developed strategies and methodologies that were originally implemented and taught by Israeli right-wing lobby groups—the same groups that are currently perpetuating the massacre of 30,000 people in a little over 200 days. We had 41 people arrested, which is one-third of the average daily killed and injured in Gaza. We have women's hijabs being forcefully removed which is all too reminiscent of the humiliation tactics of the IOF, who regularly strip Palestinian women they arrest for no other reason than to humiliate. I won't be humiliated, nor will I allow them to think they humiliated [me]; I was likewise stripsearched by CPD in complete eyeline of male officers."
The cameras turn off, the crowd jeers "turn the camera on". Harding says "the camera is on. Please, Dilal, you can continue."
"We are having Palestinian students be brutalized emotionally and physically from Gaza to Columbus. I spent two days in the ER missing my thesis dissertation and my final exams, and you know what the fucked up thing really is?"
Harding: "Well if you continue to use language, we—"
Dilal: "I couldn't care less. Because I know—if you're upset at my language and not at the actions of your police force, then that's what's fucked up. No matter how many concussions, no matter how many times the CPD tries to intimidate, and no matter what tactics they use to scare and humiliate us, it won't even touch on what the people of Gaza have gone through. You are allowing—and if anything applauding, by even considering this budget change—the brutalization of your community for the agenda of a genocidal governmental body. You have only messed up since October. The least you can do for your community is work with us to drop the charges. Unfortunately, as students, we haven't learned a lot this schoolyear. We have been a little distracted, but [what] we have learned, and witnessed, and mastered in so little time is the teachings—and we are now teaching the importance of community and the need to protect one's community. As the world turns their heads to students and student activism, maybe you can take a minute to look in our direction and learn a thing or two as well."
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In the 'April 29 Columbus City Council testimonies' section, the first video should be in April 25 encampment section, not the testimony section, as it is footage of what happened at the encampment. If this could please be moved that would be appreciated.
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"comprisedof" should be "comprised of".
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Here is a video recording of the June 1st arrests. Protesters can visibly be seen in handcuffs in the background. I have worked for a very long time to get better sources for this event, but this was the best I could find (no news reports exist, and the only other sources dox the protesters involved). Hopefully this should be sufficient for the [more citations needed] marker to be removed.
Ohio Union Arrests June 1 2024. YouTube. Retrieved June 17, 2024.
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I have a quick question regarding the "this section relies largely upon a single source" banner. Understandably, OSU would not want to make the issue of suspending a student org over a political issue more public than it needs to be. So there are very few sources outside of the article on CORS' website and a Lantern article (both of which are cited). How could we be expected to add more sources to this section if the only sources that could be expected to report upon this issue in detail (aside from The Lantern) are first-hand accounts of the events that occurred? More specifically, what realistically can we do to remove the "This section relies largely or entirely upon a single source" banner?
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Here are 7 more media from April 25, 2024 Gaza Solidarity Encampment. Please edit their captions and upload them as you feel is needed for the article (probably choose the ones you think are most important).
09:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC) Onlineone22 (talk) 09:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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'April 25: Gaza Solidarity Encampment' section:
"By the end of the evening, at least 36 protesters, including 16 Ohio State students and 20 non-Ohio State students, had been arrested,"
This has a typo and is redundant, considering how 36 protesters being arrested is mentioned directly below. If it could please be removed, that would be appreciated.
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'April 20: Ohio State Student Union protest clash' "at a masked protester" has an unnecessary period after it.
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I propose that we rename all instance of pro-Palestine to pro-Palestinian for the sake of consistency.
Onlineone22 (talk) 18:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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On May 22, 2024, the Council of Graduate Students (CGS), the "official representative body for graduate students at The Ohio State University," sent a mass email[1] to OSU students. This email criticized the OSU administration's response to pro-Palestinian protests, condemning "the use of excessive force and consequent legal repercussions in response to those exercising their civil liberties peacefully." They demanded dismissal of charges toward those arrested, demanded a "town-hall" style meeting with OSU administration, and demanded that President Carter release a public statement "rectifying the wrongs" of law enforcement.
Three hours later, the Office of Student Life sent a subsequent mass email[2] to all recipients of this message which read: "the statement from the Council of Graduate Students (CGS) you received a short time ago contains a number of misleading and inaccurate statements. Given that the CGS message was sent via a university-facilitated system... we are obligated to provide this awareness as it is important for you to understand the facts surrounding the recent protests on campus."
The main points of contention between these emails entail the following:
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Proposal to update most instances of "President Carter" or similar cases in this article to President Carter. Onlineone22 (talk) 18:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add this to the "authority responses" section:
In a public statement from President Carter where he claimed he wanted to "set the record straight," mentioning how he "wore the cloth of our nation for 38 years to support and defend [free speech],"[3] Carter cited several reasons for the administration's crackdown on the April 25 Gaza Solidarity Encampment:
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The United States claimed PFLP is a terrorist organization citation (please replace [citation needed]): [4]
The United Nations, upon further inspection, has not claimed it's a terrorist organization, so please remove this whenever you get the opportunity. Onlineone22 (talk) 09:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Onlineone22 (talk) 03:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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As the title says, for consistency's sake. Thank you. Onlineone22 (talk) 17:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I request we rename section 'Administration conflicts with pro-Palestine organizations' to 'Administration conflicts with pro-Palestine protesters' for the sake of consistency. Onlineone22 (talk) 06:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please replace
with
The former image is being removed from Wiki due to the author not submitting a copyright claim.
Thank you! Onlineone22 (talk) 00:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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TODO: update this section with archived details from Walter E. Carter Jr.'s page. Onlineone22 (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ohio State University officials, including university spokesperson Benjamin Johnson, have referenced Ohio Revised Code Section 9.76, a state law passed in 2016 and amended in 2022, which prohibits state agencies, including public universities, from boycotting Israel or divesting from companies that have policies against Israel.[5]
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Please add this to the antisemitism section.
According to Dr. Keith Kilty, there were zionists at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment:
"I saw with my own eyes a group of individuals carrying the Israeli flag and with clothing displaying the Star of David trying to harass and to intimidate individuals gathered yesterday to support Palestinian rights. Fortunately, the organizers had made it clear to demonstrators that they should not engage with counter-demonstrators, to ignore threats or efforts at intimidation. What I DID NOT SEE was any of your overwhelming police presence intervene and move those counter-demonstrators away."
Onlineone22 (talk) 07:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A large part of this article reads like POV original research, or is based on self-published sources (Instagram, Youtube, etc.). How much of this can be verified through independent reliable sources? - Adolphus79 (talk) 08:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as the following criteria are met:
These requirements also apply to pages from social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook. Use of self-sourced material should be de minimis; the great majority of any article must be drawn from independent sources.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ZZKRRuWN7/?img_index=2
This is an example of 5 student organizations that publicly took issue with the administration aiming snipers at students. Please reinstate the sniper to the list of grievances in the bio of the page. I take responsibility for not citing this Instagram post initially after including it among the list of grievances.
Onlineone22 (talk) 15:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does this section say "better source needed" @Adolphus79? The idea you cannot look at a video and transcribe exactly what occurs in that video into text simply because it was posted on Instagram by a primary source (respectfully) is ridiculous.
As a side note, I do appreciate the quality of life edits you're making to the article.
Onlineone22 (talk) 15:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Third-party sources have confirmed 2 arrests at Meiling Hall and 36 at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment.
Primary sources claim 41 were arrested at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment and that 2 were arrested in a subsequent protest in the Ohio Student Union, which has documented video footage of the arrests, on June 1.
Let's say 38 confirmed arrests by third-party sources and 45 accused arrests by protesters as a compromise @Adolphus79.
After all, this is a rapidly-developing situation and the importance of at least acknowledging the claims of primary sources is essential.
Onlineone22 (talk) 15:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Adolphus79 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlineone22 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Removal of an event with documented verifiable video footage covering that exact event does not make sense (viz. the June 1st events).
This section should not have been removed; it should have been prefaced with a header saying "in a video of what appears to be X according to protesters and in an unverified public statement by protesters" or however you'd like to phrase it as a disclaimer. If there is documented video footage of the event included as a citation, it is relevant to this Wiki article. Just because an event was minor enough for major news outlets not to write an entire article on it does not mean it does not deserve at least 1 or 2 sentences of description when a video can verify that it occurred. Please see WP:SELFSOURCE which in my view upholds this argument.
Please see citation with footage of the event here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2024_Ohio_State_University_pro-Palestinian_campus_protests#June_1_source_addition
Onlineone22 (talk) 15:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changes made to the CORS suspension part of this article removing the response of the student organization by @Adolphus79 violate WP:NPOV by refusing to present both sides of the argument: the side of the administration, and the response of the organization. Rather, he only includes the unconfirmed claims of the administration merely because their accusation was on The Lantern, refusing to even present the response of the student organization.
This change needs to be reverted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_Ohio_State_University_pro-Palestinian_campus_protests&diff=prev&oldid=1232353012 Onlineone22 (talk) 20:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]